The Nineteenth Byte

Business Cat

18:00

Although I guess huh? is a quine...

totallyhuman

@StepHen def run(code): raise Exception

Step Hen

I guess a programming lang that always errors wouldn't be considered a programming lang for PPCG

Steven Vascellaro

I think my favorite thing about code golf is learning how many ways a language can overcomplicate "Hello World"

totallyhuman

@StepHen nope

Step Hen

@StevenVascellaro I want to submit the empty string to codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/133486/65836

totallyhuman

18:01

oh

><

Step Hen

If every program is invalid...

Steven Vascellaro

Haha

Step Hen

But then it can't add or do primality tests

totallyhuman

do a bubblegum

Step Hen

@totallyhuman No, I want a lang where every single program errors

Mr. Xcoder

18:03

CMC: Make a program that adds up two numbers, no matter what character is added at the end.

totallyhuman

@StepHen look

here's what you gotta do

AdmBorkBork

@StepHen So, the opposite of Vigil...

Step Hen

I want this: Try it online!

totallyhuman

if the code only contains a, take two numbers add them together

if the code only contains p, perform a primality test on a number

emphasis on only

Step Hen

But the lang needs to already exist :/ for it not to be a standard loophole

@totallyhuman It needs to error out on every program period

Business Cat

18:05

Except the requirement in the challenge is the each character in your answer has to be individually valid, and no character would be individually valid if everything was an error

totallyhuman

and then submit g

Step Hen

@BusinessCat But empty string is not a character

totallyhuman

bam

Step Hen

that's the thing

totallyhuman

oh

Step Hen

18:05

That's why I want this so bad

totallyhuman

then submit ap

bam

gosh dangit how did i get out-golfed in bubblegum

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder Pyth, 5 bytes: +QE "

Mr. Xcoder

Python, 15 bytes

totallyhuman

i'll add a backspace byte

and then add a bunch of characters

muahahahahaha

,,,, 4 bytes: +###

Step Hen

@totallyhuman Langs with custom codepages don't have control chars :P

Mr. Xcoder

18:08

@LeakyNun very nice

totallyhuman

@StepHen doesn't mean i can't add them

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder 4 bytes in V: À<C-a>0ñ

totallyhuman

also can i add a newline

in which case the python answer is bork

Step Hen

@totallyhuman This is true

DJMcMayhem

And 7 bytes in Brain-flak: ({}{})#

Mr. Xcoder

18:10

@LeakyNun You can take input as a list, saving 1 byte

totallyhuman

o0 brain-flak has comments

DJMcMayhem

The only time brain-flak will beat python

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem :) Nice one

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem what do you think about what I'm thinking

DJMcMayhem

Huh?

Step Hen

18:11

This is my interpreter

Would it be valid for this?

HyperNeutrino

@Christopher I flip them around every once in a while lol

DJMcMayhem

@StepHen I don't understand TBH

It doesn't seem like it

@Mr.Xcoder 11 bytes shorter: Try it online!

Mr. Xcoder

@totallyhuman the Python answer works if you add a newline :/

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem Well, my idea is that empty string is not a character

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, changed rules

Step Hen

18:12

@DJMcMayhem And that interpreter can do primality testing and addition, afaik, but always errors

Mr. Xcoder

👋 Bye!

Step Hen

I'm 100% sure I've broken 10 different standard loopholes, but it seems to work

HyperNeutrino

@StepHen Wait so that's your submission or something?

totallyhuman

brainfuck, 23 bytes: ,>,[<+>>+<-]>[<+>-]<<.!

i/o as bytes

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino I'm thinking of submitting <empty string>, with that as my interpreter

totallyhuman

18:15

or wait...

hmm

HyperNeutrino

that seems like cheating lol

Step Hen

Every individual character in your submission must be admissible in a legal program => empty string is not a character

totallyhuman

that actually depends on something

Step Hen

I know it does

but is it

DJMcMayhem

CMC: Try it online! is almost a valid solution to the current CMC, but there is exactly one byte it doesn't work for. What byte is it?

(there might be more than 1 byte, I'm not sure)

HyperNeutrino

18:17

I don't think that's valid, because that seems like "making an interpreter to solve a specific challenge".

Poke

Pat on the back to security SE for correctly informing folks how to check if a private key belongs to a cert

totallyhuman

,>,[<+>-]<.!

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino Yeah that's what I thought

HyperNeutrino

Also do you have any legal programs?

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem What's the current CMC?

DJMcMayhem

18:18

15 mins ago, by Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Make a program that adds up two numbers, no matter what character is added at the end.

totallyhuman

ninja'd

HyperNeutrino

wait so you can add any character to the end of the program?

and it must work?

totallyhuman

😮 what are you surprised about

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman I want to go back and find the last time the "don't say ninja'd" comment is, but I'm too lazy, and I don't care :P

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino No, but since empty string is not a character, there's no requirement have legal programs containing it

totallyhuman

18:20

@cairdcoinheringaahing there is no "don't say ninja'd" comment

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing It got moved to trash last time

HyperNeutrino

@StepHen False. There is a legal program. exit(0). :)

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen another reason why I shouldn't be bothered to find it

totallyhuman

and i'm gonna say this right now because the amount of times that message got posted is pissing me off

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino oh nvm then it's broken

@cairdcoinheringaahing Anyway here it is: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=38857076#38857076

totallyhuman

18:21

i truly got ninja'd

Step Hen

(intentionally no onebox)

HyperNeutrino

You mean this?

totallyhuman

and hence i edited the message with "ninja'd"

caird coinheringaahing

Ah hah! I knew I could get one of you to do it!

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino It got chained, a lot

HyperNeutrino

18:21

haha funny how I got ninja'd (practically)

caird coinheringaahing

This is the new rickrolling: ninja'd-rolling!

But probably not :(

HyperNeutrino

oplsno

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing I got kicked from chat last time I rickrolled

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen Mendeleev got a year ban for rickrolling

totallyhuman

question: does anybody know if there's a way to actually search for negative numbers on OEIS?

Step Hen

18:23

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not for just that, most likely

totallyhuman

actually i can make a perfectly valid brainfuck answer without using comments

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing That is not why he was banned.

totallyhuman

,>,[<+>-]<.[]

infinite loops ftw

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem the rickroll incident had something to do with it. I got kicked for it, and he posted something on meta about getting a suspension on chat

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing What actually got him banned was removed most likely

totallyhuman

18:25

no

it was a chain of bad raps

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing: A user does not get long suspensions for single messages. If you look at Dennis's answer, you'll see that it's because he's been warned many times and asked many times not to post such off-topic things, and he's ignored almost all, if not all of these warnings, which resulted in a much longer suspension. You will not be suspended for a long time just for a single off-topic message.

totallyhuman

@totallyhuman did not come out the way i wanted to

it was a chain of suspensions due to other bad stuff

DJMcMayhem

In general, it's best to not discuss suspensions in public. For those of you who can see it, Dennis's answer nicely explains why. For everyone else, believe that it was justified and try to stop discussing it

HyperNeutrino

^

caird coinheringaahing

Unrelated note: Is there a way to ping a user here, no matter the post?

DJMcMayhem

18:27

In chat or main?

caird coinheringaahing

main

totallyhuman

4 mins ago, by totallyhuman

question: does anybody know if there's a way to actually search for negative numbers on OEIS?

anybody?

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing no

DJMcMayhem

Only if they've participated on the thread

Leaky Nun

@DJMcMayhem d

DJMcMayhem

18:27

Nice!

Do you know why it works?

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem can't mods superping? (like @@<user>)

DJMcMayhem

Yes, but that's in chat. I'm not sure if it applies on main

Leaky Nun

@DJMcMayhem because :d is :delete

HyperNeutrino

407

A: How do comment @replies work?

You can use @name syntax anywhere in your comment to reply to a specific user. This will notify that user in their global inbox. There can also be notification through email if you set it up in the preferences found in your profile page. Who can be notified with this feature? The author of th...

Leaky Nun

which deletes the line

DJMcMayhem

18:29

Yep. And all ex commands that aren't finished (with a newline) will be implicitly ended

Leaky Nun

@DJMcMayhem I literally went through a list of ex commands

caird coinheringaahing

@LeakyNun isn't that the best way of finding a command?

Leaky Nun

sure

Step Hen

OK, last call before I post this crappy challenge:

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Ninjas in a Chat Log code-golf text-processing Often in chat, someone will ask a question, and multiple people will answer it at the same time. Usually, the person who was beaten to the gun will say "ninja'd", creating even more unnecessary chat. Given a chat log similar to the following: Com...

HyperNeutrino

change good to well in your last testcase

Step Hen

18:32

@HyperNeutrino but that implies people use well English in chat

totallyhuman

hey have we done meandric numbers on ppcg yet?

HyperNeutrino

><

Christopher

we just have now

HyperNeutrino

true lol

Christopher

#stealChatIdeaz

Mr. Xcoder

18:34

Congratulations for reaching 30k @LeakyNun (in advance, you're 14 rep away)!!!

8

totallyhuman

i like the meandric number sequence

imma post it

Christopher

You can make me 30k ^.^

HyperNeutrino

@StepHen Is this unmodified?

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino According to the spec as it is right now, no.

HyperNeutrino

and I assume this becomes this?

Martin Ender

18:36

@Mego the launch trailer for Pyre was uploaded earlier: youtube.com/watch?v=9jBbq6c9EEQ (that soundtrack!)

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino Yes, I'll add those both as test cases. Thanks!

HyperNeutrino

@StepHen so it becomes hastebin.com/yexehizona.css

no problem :)

Step Hen

yup

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder !yùà¾¿

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun I guess my next challenge is to decipher that

Step Hen

18:38

I'll add another test case too: A: @B hi\nA: @B hi (they don't actually have to be replying to someone)

HyperNeutrino

and this becomes this?

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder sure

HyperNeutrino

dunno why it keeps turning it to scala but too lazy to change it to txt lol

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino Yes, that's covered by my second test case atm

totallyhuman

my first guess was it was V code but apparently not :c

HyperNeutrino

18:40

ah right ok

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Can you give me a vague clue?

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder it's related to pyth

I mean, the ciphering method

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder You mean it doesn't say "Thank you!"?

Mr. Xcoder

>_>

@StepHen I assume that's the message but My task is to see how that's been formed

@LeakyNun Is it also related to Jelly?

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder no it isn't

Mr. Xcoder

18:42

Ok...

Prefix notation?

HyperNeutrino

@StepHen Please don't have two challenges in the same post. That is, should our program count or remove extraneous messages?

Mr. Xcoder

NVM

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino Currently it's either. Should I restrict it?

HyperNeutrino

yes

Step Hen

okey dok

HyperNeutrino

18:45

and if a user gets ninja'd and says "ninja'd" twice, only the first one counts, right?

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino only a ninja'd by the same user following the first type is removed.

(basically yes, I'll add a test case with more than 2)

HyperNeutrino

ah ok thanks

Mr. Xcoder

What challenge are you talking about? A sandbox post?

musicman523

@Mr.Xcoder this one

Mr. Xcoder

@musicman523 thanks

@LeakyNun Can you give me a less vague clue?

I mean, I doubt I'll solve it this way

DJMcMayhem

18:50

std::chrono::time_point_cast<std::chrono::milliseconds>(t).time_since_epoch().c‌ount() Ughhhhh. Why the hell is std::chrono so verbose?

musicman523

@LeakyNun I noticed you were 4 rep away from 30k so I upvoted one of your answers :)

Leaky Nun

@musicman523 thanks lol

DJMcMayhem

What is this, C#?

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder it's one of the standard compression methods of Pyth.

DJMcMayhem

@LeakyNun Congrats on 30k!

Mr. Xcoder

18:50

@LeakyNun thanks

musicman523

@DJMcMayhem A using declaration might be helpful here

DJMcMayhem

I predict you'll surpass me in like a few hours :P

HyperNeutrino

For this challenge, is the program supposed to cause a syntax error or does any runtime error suffice?

DJMcMayhem

@musicman523 I can't. It's in an object initializer, not a function

HyperNeutrino

@DJMcMayhem excluding bounties, it'll take him at least 10 days lol

Mr. Xcoder

18:51

@DJMcMayhem If there was no repcap, I bet he would

Step Hen

> The compiler/interpreter/runtime must give an error when given any source code that contains your string as a substring. The error does not have to be the same across programs - one embedding of your string might cause a syntax error, while another might cause a runtime error.

musicman523

@DJMcMayhem I think you can still do using std::chrono; at the top of the file

DJMcMayhem

Even then though, time_point_case<milliseconds>(t).time_since_epoch().count() is still painful

musicman523

true

Mr. Xcoder

Ok, bye! I'll come back if I solve that

HyperNeutrino

18:52

oh ok thanks

DJMcMayhem

@musicman523 Yeah, but then it applies to the whole file. I try to only use using in functions

musicman523

That's a good rule to follow

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder If there was no repcap, I would have never passed him in the first place

:P

Although, if there was no repcap, I would have earned 715 points yesterday. I calculated it

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem but... what if you missed an upvote on an older question

DJMcMayhem

Impossible

I checked this page

Step Hen

18:55

@HyperNeutrino ok, I think I got them all, and then some. codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13205/65836

DJMcMayhem

There were a few though FWIW

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem I thought that tracks rep, not votes

DJMcMayhem

Both

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem I've missed upvotes because I already hit rep cap

HyperNeutrino

Can someone check the validity of this

DJMcMayhem

18:55

It shows you votes that you don't get points for

HyperNeutrino

how do you people cap so easily lol

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino I've only done it from one answer, my Taxi one

DJMcMayhem

I don't

It was the CnR challenge

HyperNeutrino

oh right that one

DJMcMayhem

That had the fastest positive reception of any challenge I've ever posted

musicman523

18:56

@HyperNeutrino What's to stop from someone putting +[] before it?

Business Cat

I've only capped 4 times

HyperNeutrino

but i've capped a total of 3 times and once it wasn't even a real cap ;_; and yesterday it was because someone serially upvoted me

musicman523

It will infinitely loop sure, but never cause an error

DJMcMayhem

It got almost 50 points and 6k views in the first day

Business Cat

Twice from really trivial answers

HyperNeutrino

18:56

@musicman523 erm hm. true. then it's impossible.

musicman523

Yeah, I tried to think of a BF solution too

DJMcMayhem

@StepHen of any challenge is fine

HyperNeutrino

well that's stupid then lol

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem you know what

@DJMcMayhem if you had posted it in the middle of the day instead of at the end of the day, you would have missed less rep

But you were chasing Socratic

DJMcMayhem

Yeah

HyperNeutrino

18:58

what's socratic

DJMcMayhem

TBH, I probably could have capped on that day without that challenge though

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, but you would have capped the next day too

DJMcMayhem

Because this answer is waaaaay overvoted

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino 100 well received questions on different days + positive question record gold badge

Cows quack

4 of my repcaps were because of trivial/bad answers

HyperNeutrino

18:59

ah ok

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