The Nineteenth Byte

Mendeleev

20:02

@Downgoat I read that u as i at first. I was thoroughly confused.

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ I'm pretty confident that that would've been flagged ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

@Mendeleev don't worry, canada did not get you for their 150th birthday :P

ikr sick burn :P

Mendeleev

@Downgoat :(

HyperNeutrino

0/10 not nice

Downgoat

:| was joke

Mendeleev

20:05

@Downgoat not funny

just an insult

HyperNeutrino

I'm tempted to flag that. I don't consider that really a joke, because it violates Be Nice in all ways possible, and it's ~~not very funny at all~~ very not funny. edit: I take ^^^ back

Downgoat

insult is when disrespect or contempt is conveyed or attempted to be conveyed or is connoted

if that was I would flag every message that called cheddar slow

or talked about "goats taste good"

HyperNeutrino

Well that is true. But do those violate Be Nice as much?

Mendeleev

I really didn't take that as a joke. Sorry.

Downgoat

ok, sorry if you felt insulted, I did not mean to do that

Question: do terminal support unicode bullet point

I know linux terminal go crazy on emoji

and bullet point is multi-byte char

ToxicFrog

20:10

@Downgoat terminal as in terminal emulators (which IME handle emoji just fine), or as in the non-X11 tty?

Downgoat

idk both (but mostly TTY), just wondering if I should use unicode bullet point or - for a list in CLI

can anyone who have node tell me if console.log("\u26A0") work on your terminal?

should display tiny warning sign

HyperNeutrino

weird warning sign like ⚠ was displayed

(bash)

Downgoat

does console.log("\033[1;33m\u26A0 Warning\033[0m") look alright too

HyperNeutrino

⚠ Warning in yellow; hurts eyes very much

Downgoat

:| do you have white or black terminal background

HyperNeutrino

20:16

light grey

Downgoat

hm, how about console.log("\033[3;4;33m\u26A0 Warning:\033[0m example warning")

ToxicFrog

@Downgoat gnome-terminal and console: displays the warning sign in yellow. xterm: displays " Warning" (i.e. whitespace instead of the warning sign).

HyperNeutrino

[orange][warning sign] [i]Warning[\i][\orange] example warning

ToxicFrog

tty displays an "unknown character" question-mark-in-diamond symbol where the ⚠ should be.

Er, that should be "gnome-terminal and konsole", i.e. the KDE terminal emulatr.

Mendeleev

Solarized makes yellow look amazing, but I can't see the warning sign

Downgoat

20:20

ToxicFrog

@Downgoat if you're going to set fg to bold, consider setting the background to black explicitly as well or people using light-coloured backgrounds will hate you

Downgoat

does this look decent

ToxicFrog

Er, set the fg to yellow

Wow I cannot type today

Downgoat

@ToxicFrog hmmm, ok

@Mendeleev do you know the exact RGB code, I think I might be able to check term capability to get exact colors

Mendeleev

@Downgoat #b58900 on #002b36

Downgoat

20:26

how does this look: console.log("\033[1;38;2;201;157;0m\u26A0 Warning:\033[0m example warning")

Mendeleev

Downgoat

:( ono no coloring

how about console.log("\033[1;38;5;178m\u26A0 Warning:\033[0m example warning")

HyperNeutrino

Downgoat

I think 2;r;g;b is not standard for all 256-color terms which I guess makes sense because that would mean 16777215-color term

Jim

If you were to write a code-golf challenge disadvantaging the esolangs, on what idea would you base your challenge?

HyperNeutrino

20:28

Mendeleev

vs:

Downgoat

:D work

Mendeleev

Which one is better?

Downgoat

yea, i don't think I can fix because terminal only allow certain color and above is closest color I can get

Mendeleev

ok

ToxicFrog

20:31

Argh. I keep ending up a state where I'm getting messages from the channel but can't send to it.

Downgoat

for a red color, do you have any preference to an above color?

ToxicFrog

@Downgoat ISO standard (supported by xterm and everything else I've tried) is CSI 38; R; G; B m for foreground, and replace 38 with 48 for background

CSI 2 m is "faint" and I'm not sure anything supports it.

Mendeleev

@Downgoat top

Downgoat

my terminal's faint seem to work

Mendeleev

@Downgoat Yeah, but it makes other terminals want to faint

Nintendo Switch SDK leak

HyperNeutrino

20:44

@Downgoat Is there a difference? :o

Downgoat

top one is slightly more orange and bottom is very slightly on the pinkish side

HyperNeutrino

wrong laptop screen angle lol

I like top one better

o now i see it

o

Downgoat

@Mendeleev what is your echo $TERM

Mendeleev

@Downgoat putty-256color

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino can you tell me what your echo $TERM is

HyperNeutrino

20:47

@Downgoat xterm

Mendeleev

Downgoat

huh

Mendeleev

Screenshot of the settings details page on my old laptop

HyperNeutrino

how do you screenshot something that's physical

:P

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino is this on a mac or linux or window?

HyperNeutrino

20:50

linux

Downgoat

huh

Mendeleev

HyperNeutrino

Linux [computer-name-and-model] 3.19.0-32-generic #37~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 22 09:41:40 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

NieDzejkob

why did you remove the hostname?

HyperNeutrino

you're not supposed to say that now the delete doesn't work :( lol IDC :P

Mendeleev

21:00

ffs

(Ignore the last part, my screenshot software did bad stitching)

I think SE chat has spoiled me in regards to conversation standards

ATaco

Most discords aren't very coordinated.

Mendeleev

They're calling for mods to ban me for "not keeping up conversation flow"

Like, seriously, if you wanted to keep up conversation flow, actually have a conversation

Not xbox with food and texas instruments ordering pizza hut

Downgoat

are you Lemon Jello?

Mendeleev

No

I'm alienpirate5

Completely useless admins

Continuation:

no onebox pls s.dk0.us/SR0a.png

orlp

21:16

@Mendeleev those screenshots are even more offtopic here...

like it has literally nothing to do with the 19th byte

Mendeleev

There's a lot of offtopic stuff here

Downgoat's VSL stuff has nothing to do with it either

orlp

which is the reason many users have left, so please don't continue it

Downgoat

that said, can you not one box it takes up like the entire screen

and VSL has to do with programming etc. (though I guess color stuff is also off topic)

orlp

if it's programming, code golf, maths, etc it's okay

but that is just teenage drama we really don't care about

Mendeleev

it's chat, this is a chat room...

i guess that's not a real reason

Downgoat

21:18

this make me think: do we not have a list of on-topic topics for TNB :|

or would having a list for that be a bad idea

Mendeleev

it would

orlp

@Downgoat technically only one thing is truly on-topic

Thomas Ward

@Downgoat Um... I think the chatiquette would answer this

Mendeleev

Thomas Ward

namely that OT stuff is allowed

but some stuff isn't.

so go read the chatiquette. :)

Mendeleev

21:22

source: ppcg.github.io/chatiquette

Thomas Ward

there's obvious things that aren't allowed, anything that'd violate SE TOS

or is just so questionable...

Downgoat

@ThomasWard it say "don't do off-topic" but it doesn't say what is on-topic specifically

orlp

the topic is right above the guidelines

Thomas Ward

@Downgoat I don't see that in there - the "don't do off-topic"

orlp

General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com

Thomas Ward

21:23

^ that

anything site related would probably come first

then any other OT discussion

orlp

like, I don't mind the occasional OT discussion

Thomas Ward

@Downgoat but I do not see "Don't do Offtopic" in the chatiquette.

nor did i see that in the discussions for the revised chatiquette.

orlp

but if I join this chatroom and I just see a dump of teenage drama screenshots or cringy jokes

I'm just going to leave

Thomas Ward

if there's that many screenshots I"m sure the ~~"don't be an ass"~~"don't make noise" policy applies.

orlp

I come here to talk about maths, programming and codegolf, because there are people here that are interested in it here

Mendeleev

21:25

@orlp I'm not sure if I would consider it "teenage drama" since I don't know the age of the server admins

but I agree with you generally

orlp

A challenge

find g(n) such that g(g(n)) = d(n) = number of divisors of n
all functions have domain and codomain of N+

Mendeleev

@Dennis s.dk0.us/NW0d.png

DO S3 basically?

Conor O'Brien

21:55

which languages do you guys know of that have both concepts of "character array" and "string"?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien Swift has very strong differentiation of concepts

but don't like 99% of language do except C/other low level langs

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien C++ kinda

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Einkorn Enchanter

@NewMainPosts Thank you. Your work is appreciated.

Downgoat

@EinkornEnchanter chat.stackexchange.com/… :P

:O you change your name D:

Einkorn Enchanter

22:10

I did, they are both synonyms though

Downgoat

do @pings reset at the end of the month?

@ASCII-Only was here like < 1mo ago but I can't ping him :/

Einkorn Enchanter

I thought it was 7 days

ATaco

@Downgoat i.imgur.com/…

I saw this booth at comiccon on the weekend

Thought of you

Downgoat

(0, 0) == 0, 0   # results in a two element tuple: (False, 0)
0, 0 == (0, 0)   # results in a two element tuple: (0, False)
(0, 0) == (0, 0) # results in a boolean True

:/ and JS is the one with supposedly weird operator

Dennis

@Mendeleev Yes, I got the email too. TIO is no longer on DO though.

@Downgoat I'm fairly certain JS has operator precedence as well.

Downgoat

22:19

@Dennis oh, are you self hosting now?

Einkorn Enchanter

@Downgoat What language is this?

Downgoat

@EinkornEnchanter python

Einkorn Enchanter

Thats what I thought. This frustrates me quite often

I can't se any reason that tuples are done after equality is checked

Downgoat

not sure why it was thought to be good idea to do 0, 0 being a tuple even without parens

Einkorn Enchanter

its really nice for assignment

a,b,c="abc" works

Downgoat

22:23

I don't see why they couldn't do exception for destructuring.

Mendeleev

@Dennis Oh, I didn't know that

Einkorn Enchanter

A really nice trick is a,=[f] which is shorter than a=[f][1]

Downgoat

though now it's inconsistent with previous behavior whereas it should be doing (a, b, c = "abc") unless python can't do intermediate assignment

Einkorn Enchanter

= just has lower precedence than ==, its not inconsistent

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem I am trying to figure out how to compute ['a' 'b' 'c' 'd'] == "abcd"

Luis Mendo

22:31

I have a feeling that all these messages regarding starring / not starring messages in chat are useless or even counter-productive

Conor O'Brien

I mean, it's working, I think

Luis Mendo

TIO is being migrated to Linode, which offers twice the RAM for the same price. https://www.linode.com/?r=1ea9f82e481e6646fee4739144eac412f8c50611 There should be no downtime.

Tweeted by Try_It_Online on June 30, 2017 at 2:16 AM

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien Huh? In C++? What are the types?

Conor O'Brien

@EinkornEnchanter I'm pleasantly surprised you found another alliteration to match your previous username :P

@DJMcMayhem no, for a new language, lol

basically, 'asdf' is equivalent to ('a' 's' 'd' 'f'), and I was wondering if I should make 'asdf == "asdf" true or false

Einkorn Enchanter

@ConorO'Brien WheatWizard, MilletMage, SorghumSorcerer, EinkornEnchanter, CornConjurer

Conor O'Brien

22:39

I'm impressed XD did you use any of these at any point? I don't remember

Einkorn Enchanter

I used Sorghum Sorcerer, and 1000000000 used Millet Mage when he was impersonating me for april fools

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Q: Is this site down or is it just me?

Challenge The challenge is simple, using http://isup.me, determine whether an inputted website is up or down. If the site is up, you should return a truthy value and if the site is down, you should return a falsey value. Rules The input will be a web address such as stackexchange.com or googl...

code-golf internet

Qwerp-Derp

I have a plan for lookaheads and lookbehinds - I'll split the code into three groups, the lookbehind, the main regex, and the lookahead (which will be three different regexes).

For the lookahead, I just have to match after the main regex. How would I implement a lookbehind so that it's fast?

Mendeleev

Damn. /u/LinkReplyBot got shadowbanned

ATaco

@ConorO'Brien Pretty sure it should error, given the uneven '

Conor O'Brien

22:52

right, thanks for reading into that

Mendeleev

@EinkornEnchanter SpeltSummoner?

Einkorn Enchanter

^ good one

Mendeleev

I should name myself that in 2018

Qwerp-Derp

MaltMagician?

WheyWarlock?

I could keep going

Einkorn Enchanter

@Qwerp-Derp Those are both good.

I want to find a word to pair with Barley.

Qwerp-Derp

23:08

"Barbarian" doesn't quite fit with the "magical" theme...

Destructible Lemon

@Qwerp-Derp whey is not wheat...

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleLemon :( I'm bad with grains

Einkorn Enchanter

@DestructibleLemon I think the category is just grains

Conor O'Brien

BarleyBamboozler

Qwerp-Derp

Yeah whey isn't a grain whoops

Einkorn Enchanter

23:09

wheyt a minute whey is not a grain

Amaranth Archimage

Destructible Lemon

Archmage*

Qwerp-Derp

What about something for "Rice"?

Einkorn Enchanter

@DestructibleLemon No, it has an i in it

Destructible Lemon

hmm, both are valid forms

but when I search archimage, it gives me (on the side box thing) an art studio, when I search archmage, it gives me magicians

but then again, lemon juice searches return a page from harrypotter wiki

so...

Maize magician?

Mendeleev

Cereal<something>

Einkorn Enchanter

23:16

Cereal Caster

@DestructibleLemon thats good

Destructible Lemon

@EinkornEnchanter nah, but cereal sounds like sereal

Qwerp-Derp

RiceRevolutionary?

Einkorn Enchanter

How is revolutionary similar to wizard

Qwerp-Derp

IDK throwing words around

Destructible Lemon

how about Corn Caster

Einkorn Enchanter

23:19

CMC: Find a username for me that begins with Quinoa

41 mins ago, by Einkorn Enchanter

@ConorO'Brien WheatWizard, MilletMage, SorghumSorcerer, EinkornEnchanter, CornConjurer

@DestructibleLemon I already went with CornConjurer

or for short Cornjurer

Destructible Lemon

o

Kamut Kaster?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien how does stakc have access to curl if run on browser

Destructible Lemon

Spelt Shaman?

Conor O'Brien

there's a node.js version of stacked

node stacked.js <file>.stk

Downgoat

:O cool

:O you could use babel + webpack for browser target brb PRinf

Destructible Lemon

23:22

@EinkornEnchanter How are Kamut(C|K)aster and SpeltShaman?

Step Hen

@EinkornEnchanter quinoa quiche

Destructible Lemon

@EinkornEnchanter ok, I'm gonna try: QuinoaQuixotebane

ATaco

This is getting Rather Obscure

Destructible Lemon

see how I also used a word where qui was pronounced Ki?

DJMcMayhem

@EinkornEnchanter Quinoa Quack?

Destructible Lemon

23:24

@ATaco "Quixotebane" I literally just made up

Qwerp-Derp

Quinoa Quester?

Destructible Lemon

Quixote isn't very obscure

Qwerp-Derp

Quinoa Quibbler?

I honestly can't find a good word

Destructible Lemon

a literary quibble is arguing over the meaning of a deal

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleLemon "Quixotebane" isn't exactly related either

I like Mayhem's one

Destructible Lemon

23:27

@Qwerp-Derp Quixotebane = Enchanter

ATaco

I personally like EinkornEnchanter.

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleLemon You can't just make up words like that, that's cheating :(

Destructible Lemon

If you read Don Quixote, you would know that he complains of the enchanters persecuting him constantly. And -bane is a well-observed suffix

Conor O'Brien

name 4 common words with the suffix -bane

Qwerp-Derp

I haven't read Don Quixote, is it a good book?

Destructible Lemon

23:29

@Qwerp-Derp it is very very good. You can get it for free, with the second part, too

The kindle store has the first and second part bundled together, as said, for free

Qwerp-Derp

@ConorO'Brien Wolfsbane?

Einkorn Enchanter

@ConorO'Brien Wolfsbane, is a type of flower, not exactly common though

Qwerp-Derp

Not exactly "common"

Einkorn Enchanter

ninja'd

Conor O'Brien

good, 1 word

Destructible Lemon

23:30

@ConorO'Brien no, you use it as a suffix

ATaco

Oh good, I was thinking Wolfsbane but I wasn't sure if that was a real thing or not.

Qwerp-Derp

Wait why is star spam bad? Do the mods get pinged every time a message gets starred or something? Or does it just disrupt the star board?

Destructible Lemon

Also, in fantasy things, a sword which defeats X's, will be called (X)bane.

@Qwerp-Derp it is just annoying

Einkorn Enchanter

@ConorO'Brien urbane, is a word don't know if it counts

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleLemon Yeah I get that, but what exactly makes it annoying?

Destructible Lemon

23:32

also apparently here:

minus 2 word

wordbyletter.com/suffixes/words_finishing_with_bane.php

Qwerp-Derp

@ConorO'Brien Oh yeah "Brisbane" (but it doesn't use "bane" as a suffix)

Conor O'Brien

I still don't think "bane" is a suffix >.>

Einkorn Enchanter

I did a regex on a dictionary and here were all the mathces:

Destructible Lemon

@Qwerp-Derp it is just grating to see a bunch of random messages on the starboard

Einkorn Enchanter

'bane', 'bugbane', 'cowbane', 'dogbane', 'fleabane', 'henbane', 'inurbane', 'ratsbane', 'urbane'

Destructible Lemon

23:33

well, again, it is a word forming element

ATaco

Bane is a suffix, just not an often used one.

Destructible Lemon

^ yes

ATaco

English words usually are just combinations of prefixes and suffixes on a root word.

Destructible Lemon

You wouldn't be able to use it in scrabble, but you can use it in conversation

ATaco

See: Antidisestablishmentarianisms.

Conor O'Brien

23:34

so what does -bane mean ?

Einkorn Enchanter

Most of the words with bane as a suffix are plants

Qwerp-Derp

@ConorO'Brien Anti something

Destructible Lemon

@ConorO'Brien thing that is bad for thing suffix is attached to

Qwerp-Derp

So x-bane repels x almost

Einkorn Enchanter

I think the suffix bane generally means plant that is bad for x

ATaco

23:34

@ConorO'Brien To be the bane of, "a cause of great distress or annoyance."

DJMcMayhem

^^

Destructible Lemon

Wolfsbane = bad for wolfs/ used against wolfs

Conor O'Brien

I can't find a dictionary containing it...

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleLemon Wolves*

Conor O'Brien

@ATaco I know what a bane is, I've just never heard of it as a suffix

Destructible Lemon

23:34

though Wolfsbane is kind of Anyone-who-interacts-with-the-plantbane

ATaco

Wolfsbane is the correct name.

Aconitum lycoctonum

Aconitum lycoctonum (wolf's-bane or northern wolfsbane) (Hindi : Bikh बिख ) is a species of flowering plant in the genus Aconitum, of the family Ranunculaceae, native to Europe and northern Asia. Lycoctonum is a rendering in modern Latin of the traditional name "wolf's bane". (Persian: اقونیطون، تاج الملوک، خانق الذئب) It is an herbaceous perennial plant growing to 1 m tall. The leaves are palmately lobed with four to six deeply cut lobes. The flowers are 18–25 mm long, dark violet, rarely pale yellow. Like all species in the genus, it is poisonous. == References... ==

Because it's Wolf's bane, not Wolves Bane

Qwerp-Derp

Wait are you replying to my message @ATaco?

ATaco

Yeah.

Oh, I see.

You were correcting the wolves of the se- Yeah.

Destructible Lemon

You can use it to make neologisms. it isn't on the same level as "pre" or "anti", I will acknowledge

Qwerp-Derp

@ATaco I probably shouldn't have capitalised the "Wolves"

Einkorn Enchanter

23:37

Since all of the words ending in bane are plants, I think that Quixotebane would be a plant hated by Don Quizote.

Destructible Lemon

Bane is also applied to fantasy weapons

Bane is basically extended to anything

"X is the bane of my existence", for example

@EinkornEnchanter well... Quinoa is a plant :P

Conor O'Brien

"I hate this plant as much as I hate windmills"

Destructible Lemon

@ConorO'Brien Actually, it is a misconception that he hated windmills

Conor O'Brien

yes I figured as much >_>

I knew I was going to get something wrong with not having read Don quixote

Einkorn Enchanter

Didn't he fight the windmills

Destructible Lemon

23:41

He was just insane to the level he saw them as giants. After attacking, he proclaimed that the enchanters had transformed the giants just to deny him the glory of killing the giants

Einkorn Enchanter

Ah, I have only read some of Don Quixote and I read it in Spanish, so my knowledge is pretty limited

Conor O'Brien

he still physically hated windmills >.>

Destructible Lemon

Spanish was the original

Einkorn Enchanter

Yes but I don't know Spanish

Destructible Lemon

hmm

yeah that wouldn't have helped

Einkorn Enchanter

23:44

I thought that by reading a book in Spanish my Spanish would get better, but boy was I wrong.

Destructible Lemon

Don Quixote also called himself "Knight of the Sad Face"/..."Rueful countenance", depending on which translation you read.

amazon.com/Don-Quixote-Miguel-Cervantes-Saavedra-ebook/dp/…

Einkorn Enchanter

I might try reading it again. Perhaps two years of not practicing Spanish has made me better.

Destructible Lemon

Also I like how it just randomly has another book inside of it for no real reason

It was actually a kinda nice book too

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