The Nineteenth Byte

ETHproductions

12:06 AM

@Riker Matches 10000... or any repetition of 1s and 0s

1001101 is the only one that is neither 10000... or a repetition

Maybe the \d should be [01] though

Destructible Lemon

so regular languages and machine code are more likely to get the bounty? what about non-golf esolangs?

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Q: Turing complete language interpreter code golf

A challenge I thought that would be very cool is to make an interpreter for a Turing-complete language of your choosing. The rules are simple: You may use any language to create this interpreter even if it is newer than this challenge. You may use any Turing-complete language as long as it is ...

ETHproductions

Has anyone heard of Angolf before? It looks a lot like JavaScript, but I can't find any information about it online (here's why I'm asking)

Destructible Lemon

@ais523 where do nongolf esolangs stand with your bounty?

ETHproductions

> angolf esolang
> > Did you mean: angol szleng

thanks Google, but no -_-

Riker

I can't find it on github

ais523

12:22 AM

@ETHproductions Thanks!

@DestructibleLemon depends on how long the answer is compared to a similar answer in a practical language

Destructible Lemon

@ais523 um, I don't understand? does it depend on it being longer?

ais523

I'm mostly caring about how short you can get a program without resorting to golfing languages

so if you pick a very verbose language, it wouldn't do well on the bounty

whereas if you pick something like Befunge, which has a similar verbosity level to something like C, it'd do about as well as C would

Christopher

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I have no idea why but cleaning the kitchen makes me really mad.

It makes no sense

user165474

Hello, if you are reading this message, then my little experiment has worked.

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino hi

Christopher

12:34 AM

Congratz you can type

user165474

Hello.

user165474

@Christopher No, I'm chatting from a shell using a program that was set up by someone to supposedly work, and now that it does, I can get underway with making a chat bot.

Christopher

So you can code to avoid typing

much time save

user165474

I'm still typing...

user165474

Just from a different location...

Destructible Lemon

12:37 AM

@ais523 hmm, I don't think verbosity is something you can easily compare

ais523

well the bounty isn't objective, it's subjective

Destructible Lemon

I mean, how verbose is Turtlèd?

user165474

!!/random

user165474

@HyperNeutrino 0.5872063630955395

ais523

I think I made it pretty clear that I'd be picking an answer I liked, but these are the criteria I was planning to use, but if an answer's much better than the others it can override them even if it doesn't meet the sort of thing I had in mind

user165474

12:38 AM

Yay.

ais523

that sort of thing is inappropriate for a challenge, though (thus the bounty)

Destructible Lemon

example:

?;d'0u[*'|:[|'_l]u][0d]u[*r{_r}l(|u)(_'-{-d}{ l}[ (0'1d)(1'2d)(2'3d)(3'4d)(4'5d)(5'6d)(6'7d)(7'8d)(8'9d)(9'0l( '0))]uu{ r})]' d{|[ ' r]dl[ l]r}

is a square number calculator

but it can outgolf c in a fair amount of challenges

ais523

the language seems to have trouble with I/O

whereas the challenge isn't really about I/O

so I guess you'd look at the aspects that were important for the challenge

Destructible Lemon

@ais523 the reason the square number calculator is so long isn't I/O

ais523

a short Turtlêd answer would be interesting, but it's also not the sort of thing I was thinking of when it came to the bounty

Destructible Lemon

12:40 AM

@ais523 if I make a new answer for a more complex lang, would that be good?

if I made a brainflak interpreter in Turtlèd would I get a prize? except modified so that there is no output or anything

ais523

the sort of thing I was looking for was a choice of TC language that can be implemented in a really short space, without exploiting overly powerful builtins

a brain-flak interpreter in Turtlêd isn't the sort of thing I was planning on with this bounty (although it might well be worthy of a bounty in other respects)

in fact, it would arguably be not a serious competitor to that challenge, because Mini-Flak would be a clearly better choice

Destructible Lemon

ya know, maybe I'll just make a brainflak interpreter outright

ais523

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Q: Write a brain-flak classic interpreter!

Brain-Flak (a cross between Brainf**k and Flack-Overstow) is a stack-based esoteric language. Since this challenge was posted, the language has evolved and updated, but this first revision of the language is known as "brain-flak classic". You must write a program or function that takes a string ...

code-golf interpreter balanced-string stack brain-flak

Destructible Lemon

with i/o and stuff

ais523

there, that would be a better challenge to post it to :-)

Destructible Lemon

12:43 AM

but this isn't classic

ais523

(although brain-flak classic isn't quite the same as current brain-flak, so maybe we'd need a separate challenge for that)

Destructible Lemon

also impossible for my lang

> [n] Print 'n' as an int and a newline.

ais523

right

really the challenge should have been about current brain-flak :-(

maybe we can start another one

I've started at least two challenges purely to be able to post answers to them

ETHproductions

@Riker OP just posted it on GH: github.com/XtremePlayzCODE/angled/blob/master/angolf.js

Destructible Lemon

isn't the interpreter newer than the challenge

ETHproductions

12:47 AM

Technically, yes

Destructible Lemon

what should we do about it?

ETHproductions

I guess we should tell the OP, but I honestly don't care because the language is basically a more byte-y version of JS so it's not winning this challenge

And for all we know it may have existed before the challenge was posted anyway

(though there's no way to tell one way or the other, of course)

user165474

Guys I made a thing

DJMcMayhem

@ais523 That's cause at the time, classic was all there was. The name classic didn't come until much later

user165474

!!/eval 2 + 5

user165474

12:58 AM

@HyperNeutrino 7

user165474

!!/eval 5 ** 9

user165474

@HyperNeutrino 1953125

Destructible Lemon

sandbox pls

user165474

Sorry.

Geobits

Not in here please

ETHproductions

12:59 AM

Hey, sweet. I don't know if this is the place to test that though

Destructible Lemon

or that bot room

user165474

I just wanted to show it off a bit here. :P I tested it over at Sandbox earlier to make sure it wouldn't be stupid.

ETHproductions

"that bot room" is only Laff-o-Tron's now. You could create your own room though

Geobits

Poor lonely laffy

Christopher

@HyperNeutrino super coool

user165474

1:18 AM

lol Sandbox is now just me spamming stuff.

Riker

1:36 AM

gfycat.com/ConsciousEcstaticDanishswedishfarmdog

straya

Qwerp-Derp

Did someone say "Straya"?

Riker

are you also AUS?

Qwerp-Derp

Yes I am

Riker

is that an accurate representation of daily life?

Qwerp-Derp

So just skiing in the snow?

I have never seen snow once in my life

Riker

1:42 AM

lol

with a kangaroo

Qwerp-Derp

I didn't see the whole gif :P

PhiNotPi

2:14 AM

Dwarf Fortress has some amazing descriptions of in-game combat. Here, two necromancers are fighting each other.

Wheat Wizard

Why has the generalist badge never been received? It doesn't seem that hard to get

Destructible Lemon

how do you bruise a bone...

huh. TIL bones can be bruised

why did he punch him in the foot?

more to that point how did he punch him in the foot?

I mean, did he crouch down, specifically to punch the foot?

also dwarf necromancer 4 is gonna need a prosthetic now

I like that the dwarfs actually are affected by killing things

Downgoat

@quartata you are compiling Pytek to like C/C++/other low level representation right?

Destructible Lemon

and don't go "hooray, murder!"

what do you guys think about a succession game of dwarf fortress?

PhiNotPi

@DestructibleLemon that could be neat

Destructible Lemon

2:28 AM

also the thing about dwarf fortress combat is that only half of it tends to be realistic

it is incredibly difficult to injure a giant sponge

because it is a sponge

but you can get absolutely destroyed by one

PhiNotPi

The fortress will probably get rekt while it is my turn playing.

user165474

Alright, so if you notice NeutrinoBot around, that's my chatbot trying to gain 20 rep to chat. Don't be worried. :P

Destructible Lemon

@PhiNotPi losing is fun :P

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Chatbots aren't allowed in TNB except under very special circumstances (like when we had an election results bot in here for the first moderator elections)

Anonymous

Not sure if you meant you're bringing the bot in TNB, but I thought I'd give you a heads-up

Downgoat

2:46 AM

^ Sandbox or Beep Boop rooms are good bot rooms

Dennis

Free spam flags.

@WheatWizard Excellent question. Unless I'm misunderstanding the requirements, I should have gotten one a long time ago.

Wheat Wizard

That's what I'm thinking

You and Martin both, plus some others

Dennis

According to this, I meet re requirements in 35 tags, and only 20 are required.

You should write up a bug report.

Wheat Wizard

3:02 AM

Apparently I have 19 myself, so the bar should be pretty low

Are we sure its a bug? Do they list more specific requirements anywhere

Dennis

Said the user with 12.5k reputation. :P

user165474

@Mego Oh, sorry. I was mostly showing it off because I didn't expect it to go crazy (and even if so, <Alt><Tab><Ctrl><C>, but I'll keep that in mind and keep it in sandbox. Thanks!

Dennis

@WheatWizard Pretty sure. I got the query from an answers that was accepted by waffles.

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A: When am I going to get the generalist badge?

Another try: http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/q/734 declare @temp table (id int identity(1,1), TagName char(128), score int); with tags40 as ( select top 40 tagid from posttags group by tagid order by count(*) desc ), answers as ( select score, id, parentId from posts -- find r...

Destructible Lemon

@PhiNotPi maybe you should start the fortress

Wheat Wizard

Does each of the top 20 tags have 200 answers? that is also a requirement

Dennis

3:07 AM

Answers or questions? Definitely not enough questions.

Wheat Wizard

questions

Ok that seems to be the issue then

source

Dennis

Only 14.

Yikes, all 40 need 200+ questions.

Wheat Wizard

As soon as it hits that threshold so many people are going to get the badge

Dennis

And number 40 currently has 68. My bet is this will happen sometime between 2023 and never.

Conor O'Brien

which is number 40? we can hold a meta challenge writing contest

user165474

3:10 AM

If PPCG ever gets its design, that might help. Probably not really though.

Wheat Wizard

If I ask 192 more brain-flak questions that will be one down

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/puzzle-solver

The next one only has 73 though.

user165474

You know, only 192.

Dennis

Clearly, we need tags like is-this-code-golf and yes-this-is-code-golf to max out the tags per question.

Conor O'Brien

Find smallest brain-flak program to output a string, puzzle-solver brain-flak

user165474

3:12 AM

We should have a tag called question

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien puzzle-solver brain-flak popularity-contest underhanded counting

Conor O'Brien

hahah yes

user165474

string

user165474

hehe

Wheat Wizard

Every question is really a "puzzle-solver"

we just need to retag

user165474

3:14 AM

CMC: Make a bot that will retag every question to be puzzle-solver

feersum

We just need some Unicode homographs of code-golf.

Conor O'Brien

that's almost as bad as CMC: make a bot that will get your main account banned

Dennis

Or split it up in code and golf. These hyphens are killing us!

feersum

If we apportion the homographs correctly, that would give us 150+ already.

Wheat Wizard

And then precede to tag every question with code

user165474

3:16 AM

Like I said, just tag them all with question because all questions are questions.

user165474

"All questions are questions" well that wasn't obvious

Conor O'Brien

technically they're challenges

feersum

Um, actually very few questions are questions.

user165474

True.

user165474

challenge

Conor O'Brien

3:17 AM

while we're at it, we could go the Java route: object

feersum

Like an inheritance hierarchy of tags?

And if you use tag X, you must use all the supertags of X?

Conor O'Brien

hmmm we may need more tags

object request challenge code-challenge code-golf metagolf

Wheat Wizard

I just realized how much code-golf dwarfs all the other tags. That is insane

user165474

Well, half of PPCG is CG (or 66% unique) so that makes some sense. (<-- this makes no logical sense)

Wheat Wizard

Oh wow I'm in both the list of top CG answerers and askers

user165474

3:27 AM

applause go wheat wizard!

Destructible Lemon

Who here would be interested in starting a succession game of dwarf fortress?

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleLemon I would but I have finals for the next week so I probably can't play any time soon

Destructible Lemon

aw

user165474

@WheatWizard Good luck with finals!

Wheat Wizard

Thanks, I'm going to need all the luck I can get

user165474

3:32 AM

Oh? Hm.

Wheat Wizard

Finals are going to be hard, and I have not been the most diligent student

user165474

Oh, I see. That sucks :///

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard distracted by brain-flak? :P

Wheat Wizard

More than I care to admit.

If I spent the average of 4 hrs a day I spent doing Brain-flak studying for Complex analysis I would have an easy week ahead of me

user165474

Haha I've been distracted by PPCG in general.

user165474

3:36 AM

If I spent the average of 6 hours on PPCG a day actually doing my homework I might not be behing then. RIP.

Conor O'Brien

the one time ppcg has helped me with academics was on my comp sci principles exam today, so I think it's worth it

user165474

Oh, hm. Interesting.

Wheat Wizard

I lost points in comp-sci because I used to golf my code. (that was before PPCG)

Destructible Lemon

anyone else interested in the succession game of dwarf fortress?

user165474

rip. On the most recent programming competition I accidentally golfed my code to the first problem because it was so easy.

user165474

3:37 AM

I've heard bad things about my school's ICS10 course so I'm not taking it next year.

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard I can confidently say that you are the most talented brain-flak writer

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem Thanks! Riley is damn good though

Destructible Lemon

I can confidently say that I am the most talented Turtlèd writer

Conor O'Brien

I'm basically Wheat wizard, but on the opposite size of the spectrum >.>

Destructible Lemon

:')

user165474

3:40 AM

Haha I'm not decently talented at anything atm. RIP.

user165474

(':

Conor O'Brien

if you're here, that says something

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino I never said I was talented

user165474

Hm? First of all I did not address that and second of all you did? Or does nobody else use Turtle\d?

Destructible Lemon

I am the most talented

technically other people have used it

but I'm the only one making complicated ones

user165474

3:45 AM

I see.

user165474

I can confidently say I'm the most talented BilliardBallMachine writer.

user165474

Because I'm the only one ;_;

Conor O'Brien

@HyperNeutrino printable characters == printable ascii

user165474

Okay. Thanks for the clarification.

feersum

lol lists written literally look so stupid in my ML variant

<1,<2,<3,<4,>()|||||

user165474

3:52 AM

That looks kind of peculiar. Looks like it's a nested list [1, [2, [3, [4]]]].

Conor O'Brien

it looks like a stack kinda

feersum

@HyperNeutrino It is in a way. It's a linked list.

user165474

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

feersum

Technically it doesn't have to have a list type; there are 5 free type parameters.

user165474

I can imagine though that making large lists would be painful.

New Main Posts

3:53 AM

3

Q: Make me a password generator!

I am making a customizable password generator. But I (for some reason) thought it'd be better to let you guys do it. Umm.. then? You only get one integer. That will include all the information about the customization. The first 4 bits (1,2,4,8) will be used for choosing which charsets will ...

code-golf random

user165474

Asking us to generate a password for you is guaranteed to be a bad idea.

Anonymous

4:17 AM

@HyperNeutrino We have a bot room (Beep Boop Maggot)

user165474

Alright, thanks.

New Sandboxed Posts

4:55 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Optimize for the Test Cases test-battery optimization metagolf Given a set of test cases (pairs of input and output strings) as input, output a program in a programming language of your choice that consistently and deterministically produces the correct output for each input. Rules You may ch...

user165474

5:29 AM

Would I be allowed to upvote my bot's post to bump it over 20 rep so it can participate in chat?

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino No

user165474

Okay. Thanks.

Anonymous

25

Q: How should a bot earn enough reputation to perform the actions necessary for that bot?

We all know it: bots that chat. There are also bots that flag, or perform other actions. And usually we like them for doing that, like our dear Smokey. So every now and then, a new bot is created, and usually you would ask a question using that bot or suggest enough edits to get the reputation n...

discussion reputation robots chatbot

user165474

Thanks!

Anonymous

Glad to help

Sherlock9

5:41 AM

Hey Mego

How's 0.15?

Anonymous

Fun

Anonymous

Nukes are fun

Sherlock9

Ooh

@Mego So when would you like to play again?

Anonymous

6:00 AM

@Sherlock9 Maybe tomorrow (my time)?

Sherlock9

Is that Saturday your time or Sunday?

Because I think it's just now midnight in Texas

DJMcMayhem

1:00 AM

Sherlock9

My brain said "yeah because DST it moves to midnight!"

DJMcMayhem

So tomorrow either means Sunday (technically correct) Or Saturday after he goes to sleep (common usage)

Sherlock9

Because my brain is not completely awake yet, even though I've already been awake for three hours

DJMcMayhem

6:02 AM

What time is it for you?

Sherlock9

1 pm Saturday

I think I should get lunch

user165474

So you're UTC+7:00?

Sherlock9

Yep

The Golf time zone

Anonymous

I meant sometime Saturday PM CDT

Sherlock9

Source of time zone names: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_time_zones

Fair enough, I usually wake up at 10:00, so how is 10:00 PM Saturday for you?

Anonymous

6:11 AM

I guess I'm in Romeo time zone

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 That should work

Sherlock9

@Mego During DST. It's Sierra otherwise

Excellent. See you then

Anything new to learn besides nuclear power?

Anonymous

Nuclear power, new science packs, different ratios

Anonymous

Steam is much simpler now

Anonymous

Maybe I'll start a headless server on my Linux server and open it to PPCG users

Sherlock9

6:19 AM

Most recent Friday fact says that they might rebalance stuff factorio.com/blog/post/fff-189

Science pack recipes, crafting time, that sort of thing

Anonymous

Yep, there already have been some rebalancing things

Anonymous

Better underground belts now go further (5-7-9 instead of 5-5-5)

Sherlock9

So what's new about the science packs?

And I've just now realized that this conversation could probably be moved elsewhere

Discord?

Anonymous

Eh, I'll make a new room since I'm gonna make a PPCG server

Anonymous

Actually

Sherlock9

6:23 AM

must resist urge to make adverb joke

Anonymous

@Dennis Could you unfreeze this room please?

user165474

Question: What sort of stuff would get someone banned from asking questions?

user165474

I didn't even know that was possible (besides regular suspension) until I saw this meta.SE post

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Lots of closed/deleted questions

Anonymous

If every question you ask has been closed/deleted, then you're probably not going to be allowed to make new questions until you clean up your old ones

user165474

6:27 AM

Oh, I see. Does "a lot" mean like a lot or just a significant amount?

Anonymous

A significant amount compared to your good questions

Destructible Lemon

@Mego nice

Anonymous

The algorithm isn't disclosed on purpose

user165474

I see. Okay.

user165474

Thanks.

Sherlock9

6:28 AM

@Mego Dennis may not respond until the morning because it's 2:28 am in Paraguay

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 He also never sleeps :P

Anonymous

I'll just go ahead and make a new one

user165474

It's 2:28 am for me as well.

user165474

*2:29

user165474

lol the clock ninja'd me

Anonymous

6:30 AM

PPCG Factorio Server

Discussion about the PPCG Factorio server and Factorio in general

user165474

What?

user165474

This has 5 downvotes and 1 view.

user165474

lol

user165474

(well it's deleted now...)

DJMcMayhem

It's spam

I've seen thousands like it (literally)

user165474

6:38 AM

Yes, there's too much spam. I usually don't see much but I joined Charcoal HQ. :P What I don't get is how there are more downvotes than views.

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Red flags cast automatic downvotes

Anonymous

And with FIRE, you can cast a spam flag without giving it a view

user165474

Oh, I did not know that. That makes more sense. Thanks!

user165474

Wait, if I have <125 rep the red-flag won't cast a downvote right?

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino It will, because it's not from your account

Anonymous

6:41 AM

You can red flag and downvote for -2

user165474

Hm? Wait, so if I red-flag it, it will downvote it from the system or something? And what's the -2?

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Yes. By -2, I mean you can effectively downvote it twice.

user165474

Oh, interesting. So if I have 125 rep, I can double-downvote answers. Interesting.

user165474

And also TIL that getting something 6-red-flagged will result in -100 reputation.

Destructible Lemon

what do you guys think of me making a Dwarf fortress succession game room, or should I just get the dwarf fortress room unfrozen?

Anonymous

6:51 AM

@DestructibleLemon The second

Destructible Lemon

also, I'm starting to feel bad about repeating myself, but is anyone else interested in the succession game?

aw

@Mego :P you made a factorio server room, hypocrite

Anonymous

7:06 AM

How is that hyprocrisy?

Anonymous

Oh wait I completely misread your message

Anonymous

Yeah you should probably make a new room

Destructible Lemon

kk

I think @hyperneutrino would like it because he likes killing and destruction in games

user165474

I was mentioned?

Sherlock9

7:28 AM

@HyperNeutrino Yes, you were. Not sure Destructible Lemon meant that you'd like Dwarf Fortress or Factorio

Phoenix

Userscript idea: Drop-down TIO iframe.

Built in button to copy permalink answer template to new answer.

Erik the Outgolfer

That's already in the graduation userscript I think?

Phoenix

There's auto-tio execution for permalinks already in existing answers, and it's been broken for months.

Erik the Outgolfer

Oh, it's broken since TIO Nexus or something?

Phoenix

Basically, yeah.

Ooh, it could also make clicking on tio permalinks drop in the iframe instead of taking you to the full site.

Erik the Outgolfer

7:44 AM

I dunno if that's what you may want though. Maybe an arrow right of the link or something would be better?

Phoenix

Maybe. Either way, I can't JavaScript, so I can't actually make it a thing.

Maybe downgoat or ataco could do it.

Erik the Outgolfer

That would take a looong time nevertheless. Neither I can JS anyways, so...

Phoenix

A basic implementation wouldn't be hard, just insert an iframe when a key combination is pressed.

Kritixi Lithos

We just need to change tryitonline.net to tio.run/nexus

Erik the Outgolfer

I guess tryitonline.net isn't the site the userscript uses, but rather <language>.tryitonline.net, so I bet it's the TIO Nexus interface making it break.

Since <language>.tryitonline.net auto-redirects to tio.run/nexus/<language>.

Anonymous

7:53 AM

@EriktheOutgolfer The breakage is actually because the backend request format changed, and Dennis hasn't really published it because he's not done working on it yet

Phoenix

To fix auto execution? No, because Dennis said he reworked the api or something.

Ninja'd

Welp, time to learn java script.

Erik the Outgolfer

Nah, not worth the effort IMO. Just think about ==/!=.

I've heard it does very strange things.

Erik the Outgolfer

I think this acts more normal than the other though.

Phoenix

=== actually compares equality.

Anonymous

@Phoenix Well, it gets as close as possible in JS

Anonymous

8:05 AM

[1,2,3]===[1,2,3] is false

Anonymous

Because comparing references for arrays is so much more useful that it absolutely should be the default behavior

Erik the Outgolfer

Yeah, it really is.

Anonymous

I forgot my sarcasm tags

Erik the Outgolfer

Nah, you totally didn't forget them. :P

Anonymous

It's like if in C, a == b was &a == &b. It's completely useless in most cases.

Erik the Outgolfer

8:09 AM

Isn't that only for pointers though?

Anonymous

What do you mean?

Erik the Outgolfer

For example, int*, char*, etc. those are pointers/references.

Anonymous

Yes...?

Anonymous

What I'm saying is, JS's idea of equality is &a == &b in C, which is useless 99% of the time

Anonymous

If you compare two structs in C, it does elementwise comparison, not pointer address comparison. That makes sense and is good.

Erik the Outgolfer

8:12 AM

Except if the stuff you compare is pointer addresses themselves.

Anonymous

Ok you've completely lost me

Anonymous

I don't know what you're saying

Erik the Outgolfer

For example, char a[6] = "hello";.

a is of type char*, so it's a reference.

Anonymous

I didn't say anything about comparing C-strings with ==

Anonymous

C-strings are bad and are an unfortunate consequence of the language design

Erik the Outgolfer

8:14 AM

Oh, I thought that's what you were saying.

Anonymous

No, I'm talking about structs

Erik the Outgolfer

Oh, you mean the structs themselves?

Anonymous

Say you have struct A { int a; int b; } a, b; a.a = b.a = 10; a.b = b.b = 42; Then, a==b will be true. If we used JS logic, the comparison would do &a == &b, which would tell us that a and b do not share a memory location, which is not useful information.

Phoenix

Do you mean char* or std::string is bad?

Anonymous

@Phoenix char*, aka C-strings (or C-style strings). std::string is better in a lot of ways.

Phoenix

8:17 AM

Well, char* is faster and uses less memory, which is basically the reason people use C/++

Anonymous

The term "C-string" refers to the use of character arrays as strings in C. When you're working with them, programmers often substitute a curse of choice for the C part.

Kritixi Lithos

@Mego So the struct A {...} a, b; declares a and b as As?

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego char *a; a = "hello"; would segfault, right?

Anonymous

@KritixiLithos More or less

Erik the Outgolfer

I think it would segfault, since it doesn't even know how much memory to allocate.

Anonymous

8:19 AM

@EriktheOutgolfer Surprisingly, no

Anonymous

I expected it to segfault. I'm not entirely sure why it doesn't.

Erik the Outgolfer

Well, this doesn't segfault too?

Anonymous

Yeah, that's weird. That's a problem for a time when I've had more sleep.

Erik the Outgolfer

I think the compiler automatically allocates the maximum amount of memory so that it won't segfault? I'll try STDIN.

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer GCC is not that smart or compassionate

Anonymous

8:24 AM

Well, it might be that smart - it could optimize it into a single initialization

Erik the Outgolfer

OK, this segfaults.

Anonymous

It must be optimization trickery

Anonymous

But running it with the -O0 flag doesn't change anything...

Erik the Outgolfer

It seems that gcc sees the string with the maximum length and allocates length+1 ('\0'-terminator) bytes to it. But it can't predict STDIN, so it segfaults.

I don't think that's optimization at all.

flawr

@Riker haha=)

On the other hand the USA was invented by Europeans.

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@Riker It seems there is more chocolate in these chocolate cakes than in actual chocolate.

Erik the Outgolfer

8:54 AM

> actual chocolate

I dunno how much of "actual chocolate" is really actual chocolate, given that it's usually a sweet, while chocolate is actually supposed to be bitter.

flawr

Well then chocolate means something different to you=)

Erik the Outgolfer

Apparently, 52% of milk chocolate is sugar, per Google.

flawr

That might be about right.

Erik the Outgolfer

And 48% of dark chocolate is also sugar.

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