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12:17 AM
@JanDvorak fwiw that is just a regular contradiction, not a catch 22
 
user165474
@DestructibleLemon Are you talking about the Neutrino Code of Conduct?
 
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Q: Where did Jill end up?

nfn neilIntroduction So, Jill lives on a coordinate plane. Jill likes to go on walks, but she likes to shake it up every once and a while; she sits down and writes down a series of random directions on a piece of papers along with how far she will walk, like follows: Turn left then walk 200 feet Rurn ...

 
12:49 AM
@HyperNeutrino ye
 
I just accidentally dupehammered that post
I think it's a duplicate anyway
but it's weird seeing it close just like that
my immediate reaction was "who dupehammered that? oh, me"
also it deleted all the comments on the post for some reason, so I had to write a new one
one thing I didn't know: dupehammer rights give you the ability to edit dupe targets
(at least, I assume it's dupehammer rights that let you do that)
 
1:07 AM
@ais523 That's a pretty recent development
 
it's a good one, IMO
if a post gets closed for the wrong reason, it normally needs a moderator to fix
now I'm wondering if I could dupehammer a post that's already been closed for a reason other than being a duplicate, or whether that'd need a diamond mod to get involved
 
user165474
@DestructibleLemon That's a catch-22. Essentially, you must read the NCC first, but the NCC can't exist until someone has written it. Nobody can write it unless someone reads the NCC, so this simplifies to "The NCC will be written after someone reads it".
 
is it just me, or is there no leaderboard on this question?
 
@MistahFiggins Of course not, it's a
 
user165474
It's just you. You're [not] seeing things.
 
1:12 AM
@HyperNeutrino hmmm, the way you wrote it it ended up being: "I can't write it but nobody but me can write it"
 
@ASCII-only doh
nvm then
 
user165474
@DestructibleLemon Hm. Well, my intent was otherwise. Whoops. :P
 
@MistahFiggins which challenge is that?
 
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Q: Surprise Party for Brain-Flak

Wheat Wizard This question is part of a series Brain-flak Birthday challenges designed to celebrate Brain-Flak's first Birthday. You can find more information about Brain-Flak's Birthday here. Today is Brain-Flak's first Birthday! So I thought we would throw it a surprise birthday party. So in your fav...

 
2:03 AM
@quartata how are you doing memory management in Pytek?
LLVM has some GC ability but I am not looking forward to doing reference counting for VSL >_>
 
In the interpreter we just tie the objects to the lifetime of a Python object
When compiling I intend to use deferred reference counting
 
CMC: swap the parity, but with 0 mapping to itself
 
user165474
@LeakyNun Python, 26 bytes: lambda x:x and x+(x%2)*2-1
 
2:28 AM
CMC: tetration(n,n,n)
 
@LeakyNun what does that do with three args
 
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Q: Where did Jill end up?

Leaky NunJill lives in the (magnetic) north pole. One day, he decided to go for a walk, travelling in the four directions (north, east, west, south) for some lengths, with the help of a compass. Your task is to find whether he ended up where he lives, i.e. the magnetic north pole. Input A list of pairs ...

 
@Dennis I also have a feeling that "whomever" is a hypercorrection.
 
@Riker @ConorO'Brien @quartata do any of you still play on the TF2 server? It's kinda getting difficult to maintain. I can upload the server files and we can host it somewhere else but it's kinda straining my server
 
@LeakyNun what does that do
 
2:45 AM
I may or of may not accidentally done rm -rf / >____<
4
 
@Downgoat do you just like typing that
jesus man
 
@Downgoat not again
 
how many times have you rm -rf /'d?
 
@Downgoat But nothing happened because you were A) not sudo and B) left out --no-preserve-root ?
 
@Downgoat What operating system allows you to do that without --no-preserve-root? Also, why are you redirecting the output to ____?
 
2:46 AM
@Phoenix I was sudo but left out no --no-preserve-root
 
So nothing happened.
 
Does windows also use pthread?
 
@Downgoat Not by default, no.
 
@LeakyNun To a German, whomever sounds more natural than the alternative.
 
3:05 AM
something is done by "whomever", and "whoever" does something
 
I think we broke HNQ; here's 8 PPCG questions in the same HNQ sidebar:
 
user165474
PPCG shall invade HNQ!
 
sorry about the temporary oneboxing, there doesn't seem to be any way to prevent it
 
user165474
Multiline messages.
 
@HyperNeutrino the upload button is greyed out while you do that
unless I'm missing something
 
user165474
3:09 AM
Never mind, I messed up.
 
user165474
@LeakyNun Why are there three arguments?
 
@Dennis wie sagt man das in deutsch?
@HyperNeutrino the third argument is the level of tetration
 
(btw, that image was produced via a stylesheet edit to remove vertical spacing, but is otherwise unedited)
 
user165474
Then what are the second and first arguments?
 
@LeakyNun I don't think you understand how tetration works
 
user165474
 
@LeakyNun did you mean hyperoperations in general?
 
user165474
@LeakyNun Simply a tetration would be lambda a,n:eval('**'.join([str(a)]*n).
 
user165474
Which has two arguments.
 
I think he meant hyperoperations
 
user165474
Ah.
 
3:20 AM
sorry, hyperoperation.
 
user165474
I see. That makes more sense.
 
3:54 AM
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Q: Mean Reputation Change

Hyper NeutrinoChallenge Given a the ID for a PPCG user who has existed for at least a month, output the average amount of reputation they gain per month. You can do this by dividing their reputation by the time since their account was created (which you can find on the profile). This should be returned floore...

 
@Downgoat nope, it's too laggy for me
the animations are choppy
it's a sourcemod thing I think
so yea, feel free to take it down
if you somehow haven't borked it already
 
ok can I delete
or should I bacup
 
delete is fine
it's not that hard to recreate
 
awesome done
 
cool
 
4:05 AM
@HyperNeutrino you really like making rep challenges
 
@LeakyNun I've actually added to my tag blacklist so that they don't show up; I never really enjoyed that tag in the first place, and the spate of them recently isn't really what I'm on the site for
 
user165474
@LeakyNun Really? I didn't notice that. Interesting observation.
 
but luckily I can hide them without bothering the people who like that sort of thing
 
user165474
Yay. Wait there are tag blacklists?
 
in your preferences
 
user165474
4:12 AM
Cool.
 
4:23 AM
I guess some people don't understand the difference between recreational programming and programming that you need to get paid for.
 
RnD is a fine line.
 
@feersum ?
 
Well you know, figuring out how to use some API to get information from a database, etc...
 
that comment seems a bit hostile...
 
Well sorry, I don't intend it to be perceived that way.
 
4:30 AM
I guess everything is hostile these days
Apr 27 at 20:20, by Luis Mendo
@LeakyNun I am new here, but are you always this hostile? It's not like there are ton of unique ways to approach this. Even if he did port it, he still has the shorter answer. — Grayson Kent 5 hours ago
Apr 27 at 20:20, by Luis Mendo
I agree @LeakyNun often comes across as hostile. I like to think it's a cultural thing. I'm pretty sure it's not on purpose.
 
user165474
Apparently so.
 
user165474
"cultural thing" ???
 
well, I'm an Asian, so they can blame everything on cultural differences
 
user165474
I suppose, they could.
 
I agree, even the apology for that was moderately hostile, @Feersum saying "I didn't mean for it to be perceived like that" puts blame on the reader, rather then the self, avoiding blame.
 
4:34 AM
This English thing sure is hard.
 
user165474
With that logic I could even say that that note could be perceived as moderately hostile by implying to blame feersum and saying that he is trying to avoid blame.
 
user165474
(Now don't get me wrong, I'm not siding with anyone. I'm just pointing it out)
 
ok now people are just being contrarian
 
The Internet is a messed up place
 
I got ninja'd?
 
user165474
4:41 AM
??? How so? @DestructibleLemon
 
your message just before I posted "ok now people are just being contrarian"
 
user165474
Okay.
 
user165474
Hm, I guess I helped you prove your point before you even stated it.
 
4:53 AM
Does the Stack snippet run HTML+CSS+JS in the browser or locally in the server?
 
Locally
In an iframe like JSFiddle
 
So, snippet should work as intended in every browser?
 
Well, not all HTML/CSS/JS is supported in every browser
 
I mean, the results should be consistent in browsers?
 
... no?
 
4:58 AM
For basic stuff, probably. Depends on if you're using stuff most browsers support or not
You can just put a note in like "*Tested in Chrome and Firefox only"
 
If the source code is run locally, then isn't it like this :
1. The source code is sent to the server
2. The source code is executed in the browser the server is using on the OS the server is operating on.
 
... no?
 
3.The result is sent back
4.The result is displayed,
 
@Arjun If the code is run locally then it is not sent to a server. The server sends you the HTML+JS and your computer+browser runs it alone.
Which is why you can run JS snippets without being online
 
Okay
But the process that I proposed can be practiced in reality life too??
Or can't it be?
 
5:03 AM
@Arjun Tio is a bit like this except there isn't much point in using a browser on the server I don't think
tio for my lang (self promotion example) tio.run/nexus/turtled
theoretically if we whinged enough we could get them to add insite TIO, but considering the fact that we still don't have a design...
 
@DestructibleLemon There is a point and I am going to post a meta post on that. Stay tuned. Just in some minutes.
 
(I mean you could could just get the server to run it on the computer systems)
 
@Arjun Yes except the server is not necessarily running a "browser". Like, JS code the user submits could be run in NodeJS on the server side
TIO code all runs server side. Dennis just makes command line calls to the various interpreters I believe
@Arjun I see you said "locally in the server". I thought you meant "locally on the user's personal computer" which is usually what is meant by local (client side=local, server-side=remote)
So stack snippets are run locally in the users browser on their PC
 
5:21 AM
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Q: Guess the gender

Hyper NeutrinoChallenge Given a name from the top 1000 baby names in 2015 that is clearly a male first name or a female first name, try to guess what gender it belongs to. Input A single string representing the name. This is guaranteed to match the regex [A-Z][a-z]+. Output Some consistent value to distin...

 
@Arjun wat why would a server use a browser
@LeakyNun Well if it's not cultural differences then it would bean you're intentionally being hostile
@feersum I do that for recreational programming
 
@ASCII-only not every difference is "cultural"
it can be individual differences
only a sith deals in absolutes
 
5:36 AM
never gets old
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Q: Did a thief think he could conceal his identity from security cameras by putting lemon juice on his face?

Rowan Freeman McArthur Wheeler, a man who robbed two banks after covering his face with lemon juice in the mistaken belief that, because lemon juice is usable as invisible ink, it would prevent his face from being recorded on surveillance cameras. Is this true? I found out about this while reading about ...

aw man, removed comments are always such a let down
what do we close things as if the challenge is trivial?
 
Trivial isn't closable.
 
yeah, not addition trivial
I mean trivial like guess the gender given that the best possible score is achieved by a program that just outputs 1
 
5:52 AM
 
codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/119056/56721 c is golfier than python in a challenge? wut
 
@DestructibleLemon Close as unclear.
 
Apparently zip files in python are neither os.path.isfile's nor os.path.isdir's >_>
nor mounts or links
 
@DestructibleLemon Here is that meta post.
 
Feeds bot borked?
 
6:02 AM
0
Q: A Standard HTML, CSS and JavaScript Parser/Interpreter

ArjunPerhaps, HTML, CSS and JavaScript have the most number of interpreters. Every browser is an interpreter of them. And each interpreter varies significantly in terms of implementation of certain aspects of these languages. And since languages are defined on the basis of their implementation, not sp...

 
10 minutes passed and still nothing! Is this normal for meta posts?
 
Not still nothing, it's right there. It is normal
Dec 13 '16 at 21:49, by Calvin's Hobbies
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I still say we should make a thingy that's faster than the RSS feeds. Even the API quota of 10,000 requests per day would easily allow a new-post check every 10 seconds (per bot).
 
Down vote without explanation! What should I do?
I think I should go offline... Probably after 4 or 5 hours, it would have gained attention. So, bye!
 
@Arjun Wait until I finish writing my answer?
 
@Dennis you ignored my question...
 
6:15 AM
@Arjun I didn't downvote but I don't get what the problem is exactly. People can just say "this answer works in ES6 and so won't work in all browsers" (this happens all the time)
 
@LeakyNun Which question?
 
@Dennis how does one say that sentence in German
I have a feeling that whomever can get away with the worst abuse of the input format will win this one... — Dennis ♦ 4 hours ago
 
Dennis is German? I thought South American. Hmm......
 
@HelkaHomba he speaks German and Spanish
he is from Germany but is living in South America, IIRC
 
@LeakyNun I'm terrible at translating things. I can either say something that has the same meaning but is completely different or try to make the translation as faithful as possible and wind up with something incomprehensible.
 
6:30 AM
@Dennis I'll go with the former
 
hello all
 
hi
 
what is this chat meant for?
 
Welcome to The Nineteenth Byte
this chat is for general discussion of codegolf.stackexchange.com
 
whats that?
 
6:31 AM
it is a site for Programming Puzzles & Code Golf
Code Golf means that we try to write codes as short as possible
 
@Downgoat That's why I alias rm
 
and is the predominant form of challenge in PPCG
 
@LeakyNun Let me rephrase that: I do not enjoy translating things. I become overly concious of the target language's subtleties and have a hard time chosing a phrasing I'm comfortable with.
 
@Dennis alright, got it
I'm mainly interested how "whoever" works in German
instead of the whole sentence
 
You could have lead with that. ;) Depending on the case, you say wer auch immer, wem auch immer, or wen auch immer. That's as natural in German as distinguising between he and him in English.
 
6:45 AM
and was your claim that wen is more natural?
 
No, distinguising between who and whom is. Both have their own meaning, and I have a hard time using the "wrong" one.
 
but I thought who and whom are just like wer and wen
 
Sure, but by whomever is not something I'd say in German. Or maybe it's just overly concious again. :P
 
well how would you say that in German?
 
I probably wouldn't use a passive sentence at all.
 
6:59 AM
oh heh
 
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Q: Winning criteria request: [time-attack]

SIGSEGVWe have never had a criteron about time making code. Do we need one? If we do, how do we calculate the time? If not, why not?

 
7:29 AM
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43783517/functional-programming-in-c-implementing-fabc
funny how there was a PPCG question for this which has a C++ answer
 
7:48 AM
Morning chaps
 
7:59 AM
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Q: Atleast two consecutive 1's

RaghavProblem: Given a number N, there are N different possible combinations in its binary format. For example, if N = 2, there are four different combinations possible. They are: 00 01 10 11 Given N, find the number of combinations that have atleast two consecutive 1's in it. ...

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Q: Is my integer significant?

MayubeYour task is to write a function that takes an even-digit integer and compares the 2 halves of the integer. If the sum of the digits in the first half is greater than the sum of the digits in the second half, output a truthy value, otherwise, output falsey. For example: 12345678 1234 5678 (1+2+...

 
@KritixiLithos deleting it won't make it any better (the timestamp is still before the clarification, when you undelete it)
just don't do it next time
 
okay, I thought it was clear in the beginning
 
could you see the comments?
 
@KritixiLithos For the record after the clarifications your answer does still seem to be valid.
 
@Mayube how not?
 
8:14 AM
I undeleted it now
 
@Mayube your clarification only removed some potential input. How can that invalidate any existing solution?
@Mayube it is a huge issue because 41 is truthy while 0041 is falsey, yet they are treated as the same integer by many languages.
 
@LeakyNun Except before that point I'd already clarified that leading zeroes should be ignored, meaning they should be treated as the same integer
 
@Mayube Except after that point you have added the remark that "The input will not contain leading zeroes", meaning that such inputs will not be passed.
 
Because you weren't happy with the previous clarification
 
alright
 
8:20 AM
0
Q: Err, Where am I?

SIGSEGVOh no! I'm trapped in a big forest (Okay, not really, but just assume it) and I don't know where I am! Thankfully, I brought my laptop. But when I searched 'Maps', It said 'No results', and I'm asking this as a last resort. Please make a program which outputs my location's longitude and latitud...

 
@LeakyNun Could you please retract your downvote?
 
@KritixiLithos my vote is locked unless you edit your answer. It's a mechanism of SE.
@KritixiLithos retracted, and congratulations for out-golfing Martin
 
I think I have an idea for a KoTH
 
9:05 AM
Woo! 500 rep :D
 
@Mayube congratulations
 
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Q: Generating a random string of length N with a set of [0-9a-zA-Z] in Perl

m13rWhat is the shortest way of generating a random string with a given length and with only alphanumeric characters allowed (0-9, a-z and A-Z) in Perl?

 
9:48 AM
user image
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the finns
 
10:08 AM
Is git open source?
 
If they weren't there would be at least 680 PRs
 
heh
 
Well, there's no "issues" bar, so...
 
10:17 AM
I imagine, like linux, it uses git.kernel.org for the actual git repository, and github's is just a mirror for ease of visibility
 
@riker Thanks for the edit but you actually got one rule wrong. I fixed it so no harm done
 
git-scm.com uses the old Google logo :o
 
A former teacher on our school died.
 
That is cool
@EriktheOutgolfer Oh :(
My school has a 2hr delay due to flooding :/
 
We left ~2 classes earlier today to "show grief" or something.
 
10:23 AM
Is "Aether" a good name for a language?
 
It's whether the language is ok
 
Also is acronymised as "KotH", or "KoTH"?
 
I think KOTH or KoTH, and, if you search, you'll also find KotH at least once too, so I dunno.
 
@Qwerp-Derp Good Minecraft mod
 
Yeah, but of and the are really just connecting words, so therefore they should both be lowercase, right?
 
Anonymous
10:27 AM
KotH is gramatically correct (prepositions and articles don't get capitalized in titles unless they're the first or last word), but KOTH is simpler to type
 
@Christopher It is a great mod, yes
 
@Qwerp-Derp Specs of the language?
 
@Qwerp-Derp are you bike shedding?
 
@Qwerp-Derp uhh kOtH
 
@Christopher It's going to be whitespace-based, the syntax is derived from Python, but it mainly gets its stuff from C++
It also has a bunch of things from other languages thrown in, like Clojure
 
10:29 AM
@Qwerp-Derp I think Aether is a generic name for a language, personally I think the name should have some connection to the syntax.
I suppose aether could work if it's whitespace-based, but ultimately you can call it whatever you want
call it pooptax if you want
 
@Mayube Python doesn't really have any connection, neither does Ruby...
@Mayube :( Whitespace-based syntax is sometimes beautiful
 
Anonymous
@Qwerp-Derp See: Python :P
 
I like Python syntax, but not Ruby (shudder all of those end keywords...)
 
Anonymous
@Qwerp-Derp Python's connection is a) snake case, and b) GvR really likes Monty Python
 
@Mego I think it's mainly just Monty Python
TBH I came up with Aether because it sounded like a cool name
And we want programming in it to feel "heavenly"
My English BS'ing skills are kicking in!
 
10:31 AM
Yeah the feeling "heavenly" only comes from being close to death due to eso-langs annoyingness
 
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Q: Shorten the Java Package

Basically Alan TuringBriefing Given a Fully Qualified Java Class/ Package name, you must shorten it as such: Each part of the dot separated package will be shortened to it's first letter, apart from the last section and the class (if it exists). package names will be all lower case, and the class (if it exists) wi...

 
Anonymous
@Qwerp-Derp That's the original source of the name, but snake case cemented it
 
@Qwerp-Derp I have a BS in BS
 
@Qwerp-Derp not saying it has to, just saying I think it's a good idea. Also I'm not saying whitespace-based is bad, pooptax was just a generic crappy (pun intended) name
 
@Mayube then we have java
 
Anonymous
10:32 AM
@Christopher "heavenly" is the wrong afterlife for the feeling when you're using esolangs
 
@Mego Good point
 
@Qwerp-Derp for example my crappy language is called Braingolf because it was inspired by brainfuck and ><>, and designed to be golfy-ish
 
just for your information, python predates snake_case
 
@Christopher Called Java because of how much coffee the guys who made it drank, duh :P
 
What's a good keyword for declaring global variables in e.g. a function?
 
10:34 AM
global?
 
Ehhhhh
 
how verbose is your language?
 
it's not meant to be verbose
it's not Java 2.0 10
So... any ideas?
 
@Qwerp-Derp cosmos?
 
10:40 AM
@DestructibleLemon ;_; why
 
except for the fact that there is a lot of space
no specific reason
 
the variable counter is accessible from anywhere in this program;
 
@betseg #English (the esolang)
 
@Mego Actually, it's the right one for something called Malbolge.
 
@DestructibleLemon or chaos, that's where global variables lead to.
 
10:42 AM
@EriktheOutgolfer Image a look of extreme disgust on my face
 
What? How is that disgusting at all?
I just said that you feel more heavenly when you rise to earth after being in hell.
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Ahh. So when you stop!
Also i sent you the tio link
 
Yea I saw it.
@Christopher Wait "hell" disgusts you?
Well, you shouldn't ever code in Malbolge then ;)
 
@EriktheOutgolfer the word "hell" does not. Malbolge does
 
10:47 AM
You people want to play some contact?
I have a while and am bored
 
contact?
 
@MartinEnder How is Generating a random string of length N with a set of [0-9a-zA-Z] unclear? It seems pretty clear if you take into account the common (default?) explanation that a function returning a "random" value from a set must be able to pick element with nonzero probability
 
@Qwerp-Derp also if you figure out a better name later you can change it
 
@DestructibleLemon Your're are a monster
 
10:52 AM
says the person that just typed that
> Your're are
 
@DestructibleLemon pls guess my word
 
@Downgoat not anymore, no–its become too laggy :P feel free to take it down
 
11:09 AM
@LegionMammal978 It seemed likely that the OP intended for the strings to be uniform, so I put it on hold to prevent invalid answers if they do decide to require a uniform distribution. Plus, it wasn't clear whether the empty string needs to be covered.
 
@MartinEnder It explicitly says N > 0
 
now it does...
 
It does now, it didn't when it was put on hold afaik
 
oic
oh well, let's see how OP responds
 
well according to their last comment they do want a uniform distribution
 
11:11 AM
perhaps somebody should edit that into the spec for him
given it seems as though he isn't gunna do that himself
Also somebody in comments just claimed it was a dupe, but linked to a question that required no newlines, and was closed for not having a winning criterion
 
someone made a work based on something I made! yay! mezzacotta.net/garfield
 
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Q: Roots and operators

AntoineI used to play a game while I was in the car, it consisted in taking the n-1 first numbers of another car plate and use operators and rots on them to get the nth number of the plate. I could use the following operators and roots : addition (ex: 1 + 1 = 2) substraction (ex: 2 - 4 = -2) divisio...

 
My school just closed due to rain.
 
Your school doesn't have a roof?
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Or is more like, if we don't send the students home now they'll have to swim
 
11:31 AM
@Emigna Floods
@Emigna Yes... For sure...
 
Oh god the esolang wiki's captcha requires you to figure out what some befunge code does
 
^ that captcha is stupid, one of the reasons why I don't really bother with esolang
 
I mean, I just put the code into TIO :P
 
-4
Q: Which are the best MBA Colleges in Delhi NCR India?

MBA CollegesThis is the very important question for me. Please anyone tell about the college fees, infrastructure, location, scholarships, etc.

 
that's a new level of off-topic
 
11:45 AM
I'll write a script in as few bytes as possible that gives him the wrong answer
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

ConnorLSWSteal my credit card recently a lovely man named Boris that I met online sent me a copy of an album that I didn't even know was released yet, the 16kb '.exe' ('EXtremely Excellent-music' apparently) file didn't open, but I did notice that it had managed to make some charges against my credit car...

 
oh hey look it's mine
actually yeah can someone tell me if it's too long? my other challenges were about the same length and were well recieved
waiting for 700 more files to sync in my google drive before I can get a sharing link for that info.txt though
 
Seems straightforward enough
 
cool, i'm hoping I can get my Third Gold-Badge
 

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