The Nineteenth Byte

7:01 PM

With GNOME 3.24 they changed the "that program isn't responding, want to wait or kill" dialog's standard button from wait to kill, and my muscle memory still directly presses the enter key, killing the program ;_;

flawr

so you use linux?

betseg

yep

flawr

well there are some very strange shortcuts anyway

betseg

@flawr like what

Kritixi Lithos

btw I just found out my Fractran answer is wrong

user165474

7:12 PM

@xnor @HelkaHomba @DestructibleLemon @BetaDecay @Dennis @Okx @Mayube chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/58274/gender-guessing-discussion

Okx

what?

Riker

^

flawr

@betseg I thought about the copy/paste

Riker

@HyperNeutrino next time, maybe just leave a comment on the post with the chatroom (I just did)

you don't need to ping them I don't think

user165474

Oh okay. Sure. Thanks.

flawr

7:21 PM

"The US is moving towards the metric system, inch by inch."

6

user165474

>_> puns

DJMcMayhem

7:37 PM

How did you deserve gold get 11k upvotes?

user165474

The internet is a strange place.

ETHproductions

@DJMcMayhem It didn't, it got 500 upvotes and gold

DJMcMayhem

Oic

I was confused there

ETHproductions

> > The full phrase is actually "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like 'ay' also except glacier, atheist, caffeinated, being, albeit, ancient, neither, fancier, reinforce, spcies, eightfold, deign, reissue, efficient, herein, science and leisure"
>
> Actually it's "I before E except after C and when sounding like EH as in neighbour and weigh and on weekends and holidays and all throughout may, and you'll always be wrong no matter what you say"

hahaha, I've never heard this before, is it original?

DJMcMayhem

The second one is a quote from Brian Regan, a comedian

ETHproductions

7:44 PM

ah, I figured

DJMcMayhem

I grew up listening to him all the time. I probably have that whole skit memorized by heart

Brian Regan-Stupid In School

►

ETHproductions

It almost sounds like Dr. Seuss wrote that line

> "Brian, what's the I before E rule?"
> "Uh... I before E... always"

He's amazing xD

DJMcMayhem

XD I'm glad you like it.

I really like his skit about big families since i know first-hand exactly how accurate it is

ETHproductions

Link please? I'd like to confirm as well

DJMcMayhem

Brian Regan-Big Family Stuff

►

Are you from a big family as well?

ETHproductions

7:51 PM

Yep, I'm the oldest of six

DJMcMayhem

Hahaha. My family is bigger

Second of seven

ETHproductions

Apparently his family is even bigger, haha

DJMcMayhem

Alright, this will be the last one I share, but hospitals is his best skit for sure. Even funnier when you can see his facial expressions.

ETHproductions

Alright, I'll watch it when I'm done with the big family one

user165474

Ayyy 1.3k rep on SO :D :P

DJMcMayhem

8:03 PM

Hey, this is my 300th answer on the site!

Erik the Outgolfer

It seems that another site has copy-pasted SE code.

user165474

>_> That looks too similar to SE.

user165474

karma = rep

Erik the Outgolfer

Yes changing the word doesn't imply own work >_>

ETHproductions

> Ask questions, get answers, no distractions

Hmm, sounds familiar...

Erik the Outgolfer

8:06 PM

Too familiar... are they allowed to copy SE code without attribution?

user165474

site design / logo © 2017 Stack Exchange Inc; user contributions licensed under cc by-sa 3.0 with attribution required
rev 2017.5.5.25840

user165474

This was from a StackOverflow page.

Erik the Outgolfer

That's not SO though.

ETHproductions

Apparently it's based on Askbot

So there's a whole site dedicated to setting up SE clones >_>

Erik the Outgolfer

Askbot = SE Copy/Paste!!!

> Askbot™ Pucon, Chile 2011-2016

How dare they get the ™?

ETHproductions

8:10 PM

@DJMcMayhem "I don't understand my own visuals" was the best, hahaha

Erik the Outgolfer

@ETHproductions Where does it say that?

ETHproductions

on the FAQ page

ask.openstack.org/en/faq

Newly Featured Questions

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Q: Turing complete language interpreter code golf

A challenge I thought that would be very cool is to make an interpreter for a Turing-complete language of your choosing. The rules are simple: You may use any language to create this interpreter even if it is newer than this challenge. You may use any Turing-complete language as long as it is ...

ETHproductions

"You earn reputation when people vote on your posts" and yet they call it karma. WTH

user165474

lol

user165474

8:12 PM

when you can't even plagarize properly

Erik the Outgolfer

@ETHproductions Although I had to modify the URL by hand to get there.

ETHproductions

Oh? Works for me

Erik the Outgolfer

I mean it isn't linked?

DJMcMayhem

@ETHproductions XD

user165474

Why is my SO rep graph relatively linear? Ever since I started using PPCG more, I thought I stopped using SO...

ETHproductions

8:14 PM

Oh my gosh, there's a footnote that says Content adapted from Ask Ubuntu Community site.

user165474

Haha.

user165474

Wow.

Phoenix

._.

Erik the Outgolfer

Yet it underestimates the full SE network.

user165474

AskUbuntu has a weird design.

Erik the Outgolfer

8:15 PM

They haven't even renamed most of the badges!

ETHproductions

OK, so I guess this is would be the OpenStack StackExchange, except they just cloned SE instead of setting up an Area51 proposal or something

Erik the Outgolfer

> This site is powered by Askbot.

Confirms your suspicions.

GAH!

ETHproductions

So they paid to have complete control over a StackExchange?

Erik the Outgolfer

Pricing? SE is free, how much evil of a person someone be to plagiarize and then price it!

ETHproductions

Well, you would have complete control over it, rather than having to answer to SE

Christopher

8:18 PM

down with fakse SE

Erik the Outgolfer

@ETHproductions That's almost anarchy. Like the "communities" are separated‽ I just don't get it.

ETHproductions

OK... I just have to ask... what's with the interrobang‽

@EriktheOutgolfer Anarchy? Wouldn't SE count as anarchy then?

Erik the Outgolfer

No. SE has organized communities, and there are multiple employees. Askbot communities each have their own leader(s), there is nothing like "a bigger team" taking care AFAICT.

ETHproductions

Oh, that makes more sense

Erik the Outgolfer

So Askbot == a really crappy shamelessly plagiarized SE.

ETHproductions

8:26 PM

I wouldn't call it "really crappy" (since it still works and looks OK), but yeah.

betseg

is SE open source?

user165474

The design and logo are copyrighted. Not sure about the code.

Erik the Outgolfer

When you see random messages being starred.

ETHproductions

three of 'em, anyway

Erik the Outgolfer

A yep, a ._., and a ^?

ETHproductions

8:39 PM

^ yep ._.

2

Erik the Outgolfer

The last one is a carrot, i.e. a message which directs you to the message to the top, so I don't see why shouldn't the original message be starred instead...

user165474

*caret

user165474

just being picky, sorry :P

Erik the Outgolfer

No, we call them "carrots" here.

user165474

Oh. NVM, my bad. :P

user165474

8:40 PM

Wow, and then that message with all 3 starred messages gets starred. Wow.

ETHproductions

Oh gosh, this is just gonna keep going forever...

Erik the Outgolfer

Because that has context.

user165474

I'm not going to add any more related messages... no more star chains PLEASE this is like the third time I've had this happen on my messages. lol.

Erik the Outgolfer

That's definitely star abuse!

ETHproductions

Can we please just change the subject?

Erik the Outgolfer

8:43 PM

And yes, those messages were also recently starred, not even 10m ago I think.

ninja'd

@ETHproductions I hope so.

user165474

CMC: output the highest bounty present on PPCG at the time of execution.

user165474

There, topic change.

betseg

I don't want to promote my answers, but damn, there are only 2 shorter "practical" language answer than this C answer, and both are a single byte shorter.

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer status-elevened

Erik the Outgolfer

Please "eleven" the other two too please. Also, topic change.

DJMcMayhem

8:46 PM

Oh, somehow I didn't see those

PSA to whoever just starred a million messages: You only get so many per day, and if you star pointless messages, it'll get cleared and you'll just run out sooner ;)

Erik the Outgolfer

Addendum: You might also get suspended if you overdo it.

user165474

20 stars per user per room per day

DJMcMayhem

Oh, per room? I didn't realize that

That's a lot.

user165474

At least according to the people over at Contact.

ais523

could someone add a leaderboard snippet to this challenge? I tried but failed, it's fairly nontrivial

betseg

8:53 PM

@HyperNeutrino Bash + cURL + GNU coreutils, 98 95 bytes: curl https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/\?tab\=featured|grep -|cut -d" " -f18|sort -n|tail -n1

ETHproductions

I'll give it a shot

user165474

@betseg Nice.

ais523

thanks

it's way too hard to figure out if an answer is a duplicate or not without one

ETHproductions

Is there a working template? I tried just copy-pasting Martin's original and it throws "e.items is undefined"

user165474

rip I can't remember my SE password.

user165474

8:57 PM

so if i sign out then rip

Erik the Outgolfer

cough reset your password cough

user165474

i know

user165474

lol

ais523

@ETHproductions I added a leaderboard to the quine challenge recently, it seems to work

user165474

where is it?

user165474

8:58 PM

(the reset)

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino You need to register an email address to it first.

Then just open an inPrivate window and try / fail to log in.

It will magically appear.

user165474

Oh.

ais523

@HyperNeutrino I recommend picking a random string right now and posting its hash here in chat

user165474

I figured it out, actually. I was using the wrong email address.

Erik the Outgolfer

@ais523 You're not serious.

user165474

9:00 PM

lol

wizzwizz4

@EriktheOutgolfer I think stars are anonymous.

ais523

that way if something does go wrong, you can prove your identity to the mods and they can give you access to your account again via merging your current account with a new one

(the string would be distinct from your actual password)

user165474

I see. Okay. Thanks.

user165474

So you mean, I pick a random password right now, hash it, and post it here?

Erik the Outgolfer

@wizzwizz4 I've been told that the offender can be detected though.

@HyperNeutrino But if you remember it why reset it? It was just a wrong email right?

user165474

9:01 PM

@wizzwizz4 Votes are anonymous too, but serial voting can be detected

ais523

@HyperNeutrino that's the standard way to prove your identity on online forums; make sure you post just the hash, you have to keep the string secret

user165474

alright. good idea.

ais523

(then if you need to prove you're you later, you post the string and people verify that it hashes to the given value)

user165474

SHA256?

wizzwizz4

@EriktheOutgolfer Perhaps by CMs, but I don't think ordinary mods can.

ais523

9:02 PM

@HyperNeutrino sure

user165474

Okay.

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino That's different.

Going into details would allow gaming of the system.

user165474

Okay. Close enough though. :P

user165474

7c9e83e5d1de45d283ef4aeb6e19f36bf16629227eb91e3708ba609f88ebfbec

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino ?

Wrong clipboard contents?

user165474

9:03 PM

No.

Erik the Outgolfer

No he won't share his real password come on!

user165474

If I fail to be able to sign in, then I can come here and post the original string to prove my identity.

user165474

I mean, if I posted the original, then anyone could say they were me!

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino How do we know your session hasn't been stolen?

A cracker wouldn't know your password...

Prove that you are a golfer.

CMC time! :-)

Erik the Outgolfer

What CMC?

ais523

9:05 PM

I like this, sort-of like a Turing test but one person, rather than humanity

wizzwizz4

@EriktheOutgolfer Any and all.

Erik the Outgolfer

Jelly, 1 byte: Ȧ

user165474

Ask me about something I would know but someone else wouldn't, and couldn't quickly look up.

ais523

the real @HyperNeutrino appears to mostly golf in Python

Erik the Outgolfer

He does indeed.

user165474

9:05 PM

Yes.

user165474

But I recently learned Jelly.

Erik the Outgolfer

You should practice with me and Leaky to keep it up though ;)

(mainly Leaky, since I am not as much on PPCG as Leaky is)

user165474

Yes :) I have little time recently though, but I am looking through Main challenges that I could do.

Erik the Outgolfer

Just be sure not to look at the answer section then.

user165474

Yeah. Okay. :)

user165474

9:08 PM

I can match the winner about 80% of the time, the other 20% I'm usually really close, sometimes I have redundant things or things that can be swapped to avoid otherwise redundant things.

Erik the Outgolfer

Come in the Jelly Hypertraining room please?

ais523

nowadays my Jelly is mostly restricted to: a) new questions (where I can reasonably FGITW it); b) old questions with no Jelly answer; c) questions where Dennis (or another Jelly expert) has already answered but I feel I can do better

Erik the Outgolfer

TNB can be a giant spoiler.

user165474

Yes, true.

Erik the Outgolfer

@ais523 You really feel you can do better than Dennis? o_O

ais523

9:10 PM

Dennis normally beats me when we're both seriously competing on a challenge, but fairly often I do better (less than half the time but still often enough to be relevant)

Erik the Outgolfer

The unwritten rules of PPCG dictate that you don't simply outgolf Dennis :)

user165474

Question: How do I sign up for SE OpenID?

ETHproductions

I remember one challenge where I found a really good solution in JS, then Neil found a great JS solution, then I found a 6-byte Jelly solution (based on both of the JS solutions) when Dennis's was around 10 bytes

Riker

huh, cool

ais523

Here's a few examples: 1 2 (Dennis subsequently beat this after I suggested a saving to him) 3 4 (I'm especially pleased with this one)

often we find a shorter answer collaborating with each other than either of us did individually

user165474

9:14 PM

Welp, I gtg now. Bye! o/

Riker

o/

poll for those who use java: what IDE do you use?

ais523

Netbeans

(when I'm forced to use Java, as I currently am at work)

Riker

you like that better than eclipse?

ais523

I can't stand Eclipse, and Netbeans has all the functionality I'm currently aware I need

Riker

ah

why don't you like eclipse?

I've only ever used it

never netbeans (as of yet), but I'm open to suggestions

ais523

9:20 PM

it's too complicated to get things set up, there are always a large number of features around which you aren't sure if they're relevant and which get in the way

Riker

ah

ais523

Netbeans has those features too but it hides them better

Riker

hm

ais523

that said, the big difference is that Eclipse does all sorts of languages, whereas Netbeans is really specialised for Java

it probably does other languages too but they aren't its "day job"

Riker

@ais523 they said that about PPCG :p

wizzwizz4

9:21 PM

@HyperNeutrino openid.stackexchange.com

ETHproductions

9:40 PM

Removed the only capturing group from a regex in the leaderboard (in a .replace(regex, "$1")) and wondered why half the answers now had a score of 1... I'm so dumb

Riker

lol

ETHproductions

Anyway, @ais523, I've got the leaderboard on the aforementioned challenge down to 7 incorrectly parsed scores (I haven't looked at the ones that didn't parse at all though)

Most of the incorrect ones are just terribly designed headers

Three of those should be dealt with now, I've just edited them manually

Riker

@flawr en.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/69enec/…

move to US we have chocolate

ETHproductions

All 9 un-parsed answers apparently also have terrible headers. Excuse me while I go on an answer hunt...

ETHproductions

10:06 PM

@ais523 Done :-)

Riker

@ETHproductions is there way to sort that by score?

* a way

ETHproductions

Yeah, at the bottom there's a score-sorted leaderboard

Riker

ah, I see

ETHproductions

CMC: find as many scores as you can that aren't just /^[01]+$/, x!, or x^y

Riker

is there any?

ETHproductions

10:18 PM

Here's one

Riker

@ETHproductions well, the cubix one isn't 10^x but it is the first regex on your list

ETHproductions

Yeah, a lot of answers are 1000... or 1111.... or 100100... which is why I added the regex

Riker

4

A: What is the smallest positive base 10 integer that can be printed by a program shorter (in characters) than itself?

Brainfuck, 3333333333333333333333333 (25 threes) This is written "from scratch" so I think it's okay to post a separate answer: -[>+>+<<-----]>-[-->.<] 23 bytes long.

does that count?

and this

ETHproductions

The first one: technically, yes, but it goes against the spirit of the CMC :P

The second one: wow that's clever

Riker

how does it work?

> CMC: find as many scores as you can that aren't just /^[\d]+$/, x!, or x^y

ETHproductions

10:21 PM

I don't even know. Some form of undefined behavior

Riker

better regex?

ETHproductions

Sure

Riker

so that disallows string concatenation of numbers

1

A: What is the smallest positive base 10 integer that can be printed by a program shorter (in characters) than itself?

Binary-Encoded Golfical, floor(1014/9) Hexdump of binary encoding: 00 90 01 00 31 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 1D Original image: Magnified 80x, with color labels: Explanation: Stores 49 (the code point of the digit 1), prints it as a character 7 times, then turns around and prints it seven mor...

lol

ETHproductions

There are 5 under 1e5

Riker

?

ETHproductions

10:24 PM

5 answers that match the CMC

Riker

ah

ETHproductions

(not counting the 10s)

Riker

1

A: What is the smallest positive base 10 integer that can be printed by a program shorter (in characters) than itself?

7, 16031, language postdates challenge 1603 Try it online! It's unclear what "must be encoded in ASCII or UTF-8" means in 7. The most obvious meaning is that I have to write each command as a single character, and encode its name in ASCII (this is particularly suitable here, because that's an...