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2:00 AM
Oh I thought f was asymptotic at the top and bottom to a horizontal lol
 
@Pavel like the futurama character?
 
Not at all like the futurma character.
 
@WheatWizard's starred post has an amazing amount of syntactic ambiguity.
Does the glove or the hand have a face?
 
@feersum this is why we need lojban
 
@HyperNeutrino If you want, you can try to find an f(x) for that graph, which actually sounds intresting.
 
2:02 AM
Is the glove or the face looking at the monitors?
 
@feersum actually can you tell from the image?
 
neither, and both
@Pavel huh I'll try
 
Is it the hand, the glove, the face, or the monitors saying something, and how much is it saying?
 
This horrifying module is what I'm using to handle STDIN.
 
CMC: Make a function that's vertically asymptotic at x=0 and horizontally asymptotic at y=1 and y=-1, and not asymptotic anywhere else (if that's even possible)
 
2:04 AM
tbh i'm a little bit skeptical of the lojban definition poster but i like this one
> besto - to put on metaphorical asbestos suit to protect oneself against complaints about Lojban language [from #Lojban dictionary]
 
A suit made of asbestos?
 
you can use asbestos like lead and stuff right?
 
@ATaco You could also use not js
 
Lojban is definitely a golf language, it even has useless builtins.
 
Yes if you mean you can easily poison yourself with either of them.
 
2:05 AM
That might have been smart.
 
Eh, what's done is done.
 
asbestos is carcinogenic, no?
 
@ATaco not really, it has a bunch of root words you can use to make new words as you need
in a way, it's like lisp
@HyperNeutrino yeah actually i can't find records of any asbestos suits being used at all literally
 
but at the same time it makes it easier to recognise it as a metaphor, doesn't it?
 
2:08 AM
sure
 
> lulrima - verbal clothes [from #Lojban dictionary]
 
not really sure what that one is supposed to mean
> mofmeizi - a game of tungsten [from #Lojban dictionary]
I think we need a better translator :P
 
yeah lol
 
then again it might take a while to explain some of the words
 
nice 10/10
not what I had in mind but works nonetheless
new CMC
actually what I had in mind doesn't even fit my own description lol
 
@HyperNeutrino :|
 
CMC: Make a function that is vertical at x=0 and horizontally asymptotic at y=1 as x approaches inf and at y=-1 as x approaches -inf
 
@Adám C#: n=>System.Runtime.InteropServices.Marshal.SizeOf(n)
 
whoa that is verbose
 
2:14 AM
(Fails horribly on many types, but fortunatly works on numbers)
 
@HyperNeutrino as in either nothing on other side or both sides tend to inf?
 
@HyperNeutrino The builtin sizeof operator expects a type, not an object reference/value
e.g. sizeof(int)
 
@ASCII-only like it's fully continuous
 
@HyperNeutrino ???
oh
 
@Pavel that's strange; I'd expect typeof to give the type of an object lol
 
2:15 AM
I meant sizeof
 
oh
lol
 
Unfortunatly sizeof(typeof(4)) doesn't work.
 
huh odd
 
I think sizeof is resolved at compile-time
 
@HyperNeutrino fixed, idk if you can see update, try refresh if not
 
2:17 AM
no you have to reshare desmos
 
@HyperNeutrino Anyway, see the InteropServices bit? That's actually the .NET numeric type being marshalled to a C++ type, and then calling the C++ sizeof.
 
:| that doesn't quite work because I said it should approach y=-1 as x->-inf but this does ->y=-1|x->+inf
 
@ASCII-only No no, it goes left at the bottom. See this graph: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/…
 
:| oops
 
2:18 AM
You don't "call" sizeof.
 
@feersum It's complicated ok
 
@ASCII-only not vertical at 0
 
that's not vertical at 0
(ninja'd)
 
:| oh yeah
 
2:19 AM
lol this isn't that easy I can't think of how to start with this lol
 
@feersum it's not that bad :/
 
I'm trying to think of it too.
Ey, Wheat Wizard is here. I think he's good at math.
 
Have I been summoned?
 
@Pavel Inverse tangent?
 
2:21 AM
Oh, the next OEIS only has n(1) througn n(12) solved so far... Hardcoding time..?
 
@WheatWizard Not vertical at x=0
 
no you need first 1000 terms or finite
 
@ATaco How if you only have 12...
@user202729 abs is cheating
 
@user202729 pointy
 
2:22 AM
Correction, we have up to n=14.
 
@ASCII-only $\frac{2}{\pi}\arctan(x)+\frac{1}{x}$
 
@WheatWizard Do you have a W|A link for that? My mathjax is off rn
 
arctau*arctan(x)+1/x
 
 
I guess that works
 
2:24 AM
ok have to go
 
@ConorO'Brien :| that's 4 * arctau
 
see edit :P
 
@HyperNeutrino see above
 
huh cool lemme inspect that
 
2:24 AM
@ConorO'Brien but isn't it 4(1/2 pi)
 
If abs is cheating, define abs :P
 
Speaking of math @ASCII-only do we want to do like 4.atan and avoid math namespace?
 
no that's not continuous
 
@Downgoat hmm
maybe
 
@WheatWizard @ATaco Please see reference image: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/…
 
2:25 AM
@Downgoat no, that wouldn't work nicely for functions like "hypot" and would pollute global scope with math variables like E and PI
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm not a math person.
 
methods should be for functions where it makes sense to have a primary argument, otherwise its weird, unintuitive, and arbitrary. IMO.
 
But that looks a lot like x=y^3 desmos.com/calculator/qtkzxawab2
 
@ASCII-only because definetly not global because global is evil but then Math namespace is yucky and verbose and is adds a lot of extra code making it harder to scan expressions
 
@ATaco That doesn't have horizontal tangent lines
 
2:26 AM
But then if we do on properties then idk how we will do constants
 
The bottom and top of the graph are horizontal tangents
 
I'm just saying what it looks like.
 
:O idea: .pi * 2
 
math.stackexchange will like this?
@Downgoat ?
 
@DestructibleLemon Ehh, it's more of a puzzle than a valid question.
 
2:27 AM
For VSL
 
@Downgoat :| wat.
 
It only took 5k rep.
 
2:29 AM
lol
 
did i ever get one?
how do i check?
 
user:me is:a isaccepted:yes
fixed :p
 
@ASCII-only ok what parse cause confusion. is multiplication
 
@Downgoat .pi
why.
also how.
 
@ASCII-only did you just seriously question the goat and his ability to break tech?
 
2:34 AM
@ASCII-only yeah like Color.red is can be replace with .red so Double.pi can become .pi
 
be wary, many men have lost their sanity from that
see: quartata /s
 
@Downgoat Wat. But what if two things define red.
Then what does .red evaluate too.
 
@Pavel VSL is statically typed
so you cant have variable be multiple type
 
My accepted answer is nearly a year old
 
does it have unions?
 
2:36 AM
oic how it works
 
@Downgoat yes. but how to do var foo = .pi * 2
@HyperNeutrino $x=y^2\tan\frac{\pi}{2}y$ kinda works :P
 
@HyperNeutrino this = what?
 
@ASCII-only it work with type deduct because 2 can be double and if .pi is on double it’ll assume double
we use global constraint resolution so works across whole program
 
@ASCII-only W|A or Desmos links are preferable to mathjax, by which I mean I don't have mathjax.
 
@ConorO'Brien II and CI probably
 
2:38 AM
eh?
 
those would probably be excluded from deduction though due to exponential complexity increase
@Pavel Interface/Interface Class/Interface
 
ono funky still doesn't have number to hexidecimal
 
:|
too bad charcoal doesn't have custom xxd output :P
 
@ASCII-only You could take regular xxd and format it maybe
 
2:44 AM
no use of actual xxd
 
:O can bash use charcoal xxd then
 
"charcoal xxd"?
 
doesn't work.
 
@ConorO'Brien this also nvm i need to make it not print other things first
 
2:49 AM
revised: "implement xxd"
 
CMP: Unicode character for base conversion?
also base to string conversion
 
b
and s
 
*non-ASCII Unicode
also >_> do you really expect plain letters to still be available
 
ß and §
 
2:52 AM
how about ↜ and ↝
 
@ATaco latter is taken
@ConorO'Brien :| not very mnemonic-y
 
 
accented letters are ok i guess but still not very easy to remember
 
3:14 AM
@ASCII-only how about one of those half block ones that looks like a base
 
@DestructibleLemon :| what
 
like how there is a unicode full block, you have quarter blocks and such
it looks like a base
which is a pun
 
:|
then what about the string version...
 
what about a bass clef
 
that might be better actually
 
3:20 AM
@EricTressler Not in the Unicode BMP :/
 
@ASCII-only wtf
 
my browser can't render that character, though
I don't really know which unicode codepages are supported where
🐟
that might be a bass; you never know
 
@EricTressler well characters outside BMP break IDLE
 
-
@ASCII-only I don't know what either of those acronyms mean
 
@ASCII-only have you used the electric arrow yet? I don't think it would be good for base conversion but you should probably use it for something
 
3:25 AM
@EricTressler basic multilingual plane (\u10000 and up, IDLE is Python IDE)
@DestructibleLemon ... I don't have an infinite codepage
 
? what do you mean?
i just think it's a good character
here it is: ⌁
it's a bit small in this font though
 
@DestructibleLemon i mean i'm running out of codepage space... I can't just add a character just because you say so
 
I was just providing an example of a good character though
 
基 (Unicode Han Character 'foundation, base' (U+57FA)), 串 (Unicode Han Character 'string; relatives; conspire' (U+4E32))
they are also not in BMP
I like the glyph for string, though
 
@EricTressler :|
@EricTressler :/ i meant number -> string base conversion
 
3:37 AM
 
O_o
 
3:51 AM
do double glyphs make you say "ffs"?
 
not really
oh btw forgot to say but i'd need na or nl or nb ligature/double glyph @EricTressler
 
Are you trying to make it deliberately annoying?
 
Not really
But I'm out of ideas
 
What could be more annoying than a character that looks like 2 ascii chars?
 
4:10 AM
œ
(I am of the personal believe the the Interrobang is objectively the worst Unicode character)
 
4:22 AM
Well those two also look like two ascii chars, albeit overlapping ones.
 
@ATaco uh no
@ASCII-only btw I'm not sure if you realised that the ff there is actually a single character for some reason again
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Congrats on 4k rep!
@DestructibleLemon yo sneaky +1 :P
 
‼ is a nice two-in-one character.
 
4:39 AM
it's a chess character
 
@DestructibleLemon do triple glyphs make you say "*ffi[redacted]"
 
because how do you say ffi
or what does it mean
 
@DestructibleLemon this
 
4:44 AM
I don't have much of an affinity for multi glyphs (idk if context works there)
 
I horrifyingly implemented ARBLE style equations in Funky.
 
:\
@ATaco doesn't work for longer variable names :| you need a way to catch nonexistent variables instead
 
A method exists, but it's, uh, unrelyable.
 
5:15 AM
@ASCII-only There a version which uses any length variable names.
And for some ungodly reasons it errors essentially whever a constant is passed to it.
 
5:41 AM
:| still need number->base and number->base string conversion symbols
 
@ASCII-only APL uses which looks like a base. Related symbols are ⊤⍎⍕
 
not that obvious, but i guess i don't really have a choice
 
Alternatively you could use the flat symbol.
 
:O good(ish) idea
 
@ASCII-only (BASEball)
 
5:51 AM
i r8 8/8
 
@Adám :|
 
@ASCII-only To/From Base
 
:| I'd still need one for base-string
 
@ASCII-only 🏀
@ASCII-only Don't you need four? Base-to-Number, Number-to-Base, Base-to-String, String-to-Base?
 
nah
overload selected based on whether left is array or number
if right is array then arguments are switched around
 
5:57 AM
Maybe base, base-to-string.
@ASCII-only If you go with for base, you can also use for base-to-string.
@ASCII-only Gotta go, but I think To/From Base and Base-String are pretty good.
 
6:24 AM
Unicode ROFL: 🤣
 
6:44 AM
@HyperNeutrino So what happened? (you can explain tomorrow if you want)
 
well pretty much I was studying for a test and doing my history assignment and then somehow I completely forgot about my other history assignment...
so I realized at like 12 I was like "oh crap I forgot to finish that" so I got my chromebook and finished it
and then I was like "ooh challenge" so I spent like 5-10 minutes to do that challenge
and now I intend to sleep because I will be very much so dead tomorrow morning :P
(oh well, not the first time running on <6h sleep, but I try to avoid it)
anyway I'm going to go sleep now lol it's almost 3 and I have to get up at 7 o/
 
7:03 AM
@HyperNeutrino :|
 
 
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8:17 AM
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Q: Optimizing `yes` command in JAVA

Paweł AdamskiOne of Unix core commands is yes which simply prints infinity number of letters y. I read a blog post (https://matthias-endler.de/2017/yes/) how people optimize it to output y with speed of 10G/s. I tried to achieve similar speed with Java but I stopped at 70M/s. My code is: public class yes ...

 
 
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11:14 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Stewie GriffinOutput all permutations of a vector The challenge is simple: Output all unique permutations of a list. You may assume you can run the program indefinitely, but you may not assume that you have a larger memory than you have. That means, if you run your program long enough, then all permutations ...

 
 
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12:22 PM
@HyperNeutrino Thanks!
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yup congrats caird! \o/
 
@Mr.Xcoder Thanks
> share edit delete flag
New shiny button to play with :P
 
Anonymous
Oh, you just unlocked delete privs?
 
Anonymous
Enjoy seeing thousands of deleted Sandbox posts
 
12:32 PM
@Mego Already got that privilege. That's 2K IIRC
 
Anonymous
Oh
 
Anonymous
I don't remember the order of the privs anymore :P
 
#highrepproblems :P
 
12:47 PM
@Mego yes 2k is see deleted posts and delete closed for more than 48h questions
you can bookmark this if you want to remember the order ;p
 
Anonymous
1:02 PM
I need to know the order and reqs for privs maybe once every few months - not worth bookmarking :P
 
who said you have to use the bookmark
put it somewhere where it's not usually a nuisance
 
ಠ_ಠ 4k doesn't change anything when we get our design
 
@EriktheOutgolfer It's accessible from achievements -> privileges though :p
 
that's hidden :p
 
CMM: Does an answer to a code-golf challenge for which the writing of the solution itself is already challenging, but is not very well-golfed (e.g., leave extraneous whitespace) be considered serious contender?
 
1:05 PM
no
 
Yes and no
 
Even when there is no other answers (so it is the shortest)?
 
If it's not well-golfed because it's hard to golf it's fine
 
if the objective is to golf the code then there should have been at least some attempt to golf the code
 
If it's not well golfed because you're lazy it's not
 
1:06 PM
Well, you are certainly not lazy, it takes a lot of effort to even write the code.
 
(imo a code golf challenge where writing a solution with no golfing is already too difficult is not a good challenge)
 
for example obvious whitespaces and other trivial golfs should be done anyways
@user202729 which one?
 
All of those which is tagged [code-golf].
 
are you referring to a posted answer?
 
Anonymous
1:10 PM
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A: Clarifying "serious contender" in the help center

MegoA serious contender is a submission which makes a serious effort towards optimizing the submission's score within the chosen language(s) and other choices (such as algorithm choice or optional restrictions/bonuses taken). This is somewhat subjective, in that the best answer in my opinion is "you...

 
No, I am referring to the questions (reply to :40710712 )
 
Anonymous
Even if it takes a lot of effort to write the code, only the effort taken to optimize the code for the winning criteria matters when considering whether or not it is a serious contender.
 
I read through this, and felt sorry for anyone who tries it :P
 
Anonymous
Consider this: would a complex, enterprise-designed piece of software with meaningful variable names, plenty of useful comments, and a full suite unit tests be a serious contender for code golf?
 
This one looks easy enough to implement in a non-golf lang, but it's really oversimplified. MtG combat is extremely complex.
 
1:19 PM
Anyone (currently) here know MATL?
 
I really want to make a 2D pattern compressor for SOGL but I don't even know where to start.. making it would be pretty much making a miniature language by itself
 
1:39 PM
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Q: Visualize Inclusion-Exclusion

HyperNeutrinoInclusion-Exclusion lets you calculate the sizes of some unions and intersections between sets knowing some of the other values. I won't explain it exactly, but your challenge is to visualize inclusion-exclusion on a Venn Diagram. Because I'm nice, you'll be using rectangles, not circles. You w...

 
@NewMainPosts That was fast, thanks!
lol chromebooks and gmail are so slow it took me 2 minutes to load my inbox
 
Gmail's optimization is a joke
And a bad one at that, too.
 
I don't even know why they gave us a Chromebook... it's just preventing my parents from letting me bring my real computer to school (real as in something that actually works)
 
Chromebook is Turing-complete, so it is certainly a computer. (at least that's true in PPCG)
"they" here means your school?
 
Never used a Chromebook, is it that bad?
 
1:43 PM
yes
 
They're great once you install Linux on them.
3
 
Or are there many hardware configurations and you got a bad one?
 
@J.Salle chromebooks are not too bad for internet access but chrome OS is trash
one of the few major operating systems I know that doesn't support JVM
 
Is format + Ubuntu 16.04 an option?
 
yes, certainly a good option.
 
1:45 PM
Or the latest debian distro, whatever floats your boat
 
I can't do that though lol because it's not technically 100% my property
 
You could ask for permission, I guess? How tech-savvy is your school?
 
You can reinstall Chrome OS when you return the computer, I think.
 
@user202729 that's also a good point.
 
I mean the main problem with installing Linux is then they don't have control over the computer anymore.
My version of Chrome OS is restricted, monitored, and probably remotely accessible, though they probably don't monitor it because that's a privacy infringement and that's a big thing here :P
 
1:47 PM
So you have to ask for permission.
 
yeah
and 101% sure they'd say no lol
I mean it's fairly convenient because it weighs like 40% my laptop
but that's the only thing good about it lol
 
They have monitor program on the computer?
 
not exactly
but everything I do is probably logged somewhere
I mean there's a hardware switch that prevents me from booting into developer mode and resetting the computer or formatting, which I'd have to remove physically to do anything
not worth the trouble lol
 
Dual-boot a Kali distro, and you can brick/uninstall it whenevr you feel like
 
not sure that's possible
though I could try to boot linux out of a USB, actually
you know I might try that sometime lol
 
1:49 PM
Indeed
Then you can use gparted to make a big swap partition of the HD
 
cool
lol I just realized that the PPCG prime challenge has effectively been hammered back and forth this entire time
although jenny's vote would've reopened with or without the hammer it was still a hammer technically :P
(I wonder; who is the highest rep user without a code-golf hammer?)
 
@HyperNeutrino Howard?
 
hm cool
 
Nope, Howard has it :(
ninja'd
Ok, found it. Stewie has the most rep, but doesn't have a gold badge
 
1:56 PM
cool
 
How can I delete the box anyway?
 
@user202729 Edit it
 
@user202729 well I have more rep than that and I don't have gold code-golf so no that's incorrect :P
 
That dude had 3 Great Answer badges
Holy cow that's a lot
 
@J.Salle Joe Z. has 3 Stellar Questions, 5 Famous Questions and 4 Great Questions :P
 
1:57 PM
@HyperNeutrino Can you change this to code-challenge? I think it is already too challenging to just write a code, but if it is code-golf then the answerers must golf it and thus they lose the motivation to answer. I'm going to answer some unanswered challenges, anyway.
 
What do you suggest I make the winning criterion then?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing that is also insane hahahahah
 
I forgot about that issue, unfortunately.
 
Anonymous
@J.Salle Probably not. Most school-issued laptops have the BIOS locked down, so you'd need to short the CMOS battery in order to even boot from anything other than the hard drive.
 
CMC : ["┌┐","└┘"]
 
1:59 PM
oh yeah I recall reading that somewhere
 

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