The Nineteenth Byte

wizzwizz4

8:03 PM

It's interesting how many sites have "magic numbers" passed as URL parameters.

Poke

eh?

wizzwizz4

It's almost as though people want to be not paid to change them.

Poke

do you have an example

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Q: Its Raining in terminal!

Challenge Description You have to show a simulation of rain in terminal. In the example given below its adding 100 raindrops at random coordinates, waiting for 0.2 seconds and then redrawing again until the given time expires. Any character can be used for representing the raindrop. Parameter...

wizzwizz4

@Poke Millions Of People Are Cancelling Their Netflix Account Because Of This One Site is one.

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Try clicking the links on the page.

Poke

8:07 PM

what the heck

wizzwizz4

@Poke Yup.

Star it if you thought that was interesting.

Share it (with your URL instead, if you like!) if you want to troll.

Business Cat

Wait what

Poke

stupid ads...

that's so insecure...

Kritixi Lithos

Why are they all pointing towards retrocomputing?

Poke

this is why i use an adblocker

@KritixiLithos look at the "ref" query param

AdmBorkBork

8:13 PM

@wizzwizz4 That's hilarious.

Pavel

8:27 PM

The thought occurs that with 4 RO's being chosen, and only 4 nominations, it's likely everyone who runs just wins. There should be some threshold that must be reached, and if 4 people don't reach it, we don't get 4 new ROs.

DJMcMayhem

I'm sure there will be a few more nominations

Poke

@Pavel i don't think anyone confirmed 4 would be chosen

or that any would, tbh

Pavel

I guess that's up to the current mods.

DJMcMayhem

Well, I know they are discussing it

2 hours ago, by Dennis

@DJMcMayhem True. I'll consult the others.

Pavel

Geobits should nominate himself, so the rest of us can downvote him.

Anonymous

8:30 PM

@Pavel The nomination post has only been up for a few hours. Give it time - I'm sure we'll have more than 4 nominations.

Poke

i'd probably nominate geobits but i assume he'd decline

Business Cat

Geobits is already a RO

Fatalize

I use floating point numbers so rarely in Brachylog that I just now realized that all my exp/ln/cos/sin/tan/acos/asin/atan/cosh/sinh/tanh/acosh/asinh/atanh builtins don't actually work

Poke

@BusinessCat for real?

news to me

Anonymous

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A: Should we have additional room owners?

We agree with your concerns and that having additional room owners would help covering both time zones and the volume of posted messages. Effective immediately, we've appointed the following users as room owners of The Nineteenth Byte. Let us thank them for volunteering, and may the odds ...

Poke

8:34 PM

so he is

well i guess i'm wrong on 2 accounts

didn't remember his name in blue

lulz

Anonymous

Room owners don't have blue names - their names are italicized

Anonymous

Only diamond moderators have blue names

Poke

well maybe that's why i didn't notice

Pavel

El'Endia was blue.

Isn't he just an RO?

Anonymous

@Pavel Elendia is a diamond moderator on Christianity

Pavel

8:36 PM

Ah.

Anonymous

Being a moderator on one site means you're a moderator for all of SE chat

mınxomaτ

@Mego I'm pretty sure it's just Christianity.*SE*, unless he got promoted big time ;)

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ You didn't hear? :P

Anonymous

My ultimate dream with chat is to make TNB the standard for acceptable chat behavior. If we can define a solid chatiquette, enforce it fairly, and show that it works, I would love for it to become the model for the rest of the network. Then, we could actually use chat flags to deal with unacceptable behavior that isn't spam or offensive.

mınxomaτ

Isn't it statistically extremely unlikely that something at the edge of a spectrum (TNB being one of the most active rooms) becomes the standard for anything?

Just kidding, I agree.

Anonymous

8:39 PM

:P

Anonymous

TNB is one of the most active rooms, which is why we're dealing with these problems, more so than other rooms on the network. If we can solve them, then the solution can work across the entire network.

Pavel

AFAIK not even SO rooms are more active. SO chat in general is pretty bad.

Anonymous

SO chat is a lot less active than SE chat because it's on a separate server

mınxomaτ

I don't think whatever works here could ever work for the entire network.

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel JavaScript room is way more active

Anonymous

8:41 PM

SO may be the most popular site on the network, but it is considerably less popular than the rest of the network combined.

mbomb007

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A: Print number triangle

VBA 1 Byte Sub Triangulo() Application.Calculation = xlCalculationManual Dim i As Integer Dim j As Integer Dim n As Long n = Application.InputBox(prompt:="Dame el numero", Type:=1) For i = 1 To n For j = 1 To i Debug.Print j Next j Next i End Sub

TrojanByAccident

Often, I'll leave for 5 minutes, come back with 20 messages here, and more like 60 in JavaScript

mbomb007

I don't think the user intends to answer seriously...

Voting to delete

TrojanByAccident

e.e

what would be an appropriate flag for that?

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ I think it could. General rules like "don't disrupt conversations" are a good thing to have network-wide. IMO, that falls under Be Nice.

Anonymous

8:43 PM

@TrojanByAccident Custom mod flag

mınxomaτ

Some other rooms have a vastly different idea of what that means and will probably not react well if someone tries to take that away.

mbomb007

@Mego Thanks. I was just about to link to that. meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8750/34718

TrojanByAccident

@Mego k

@mbomb007 lol

> or, in general, writing code that Code Review would like.

mbomb007

@mınxomaτ That looks really cool

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ "Room culture" is not an excuse for otherwise-unacceptable behavior. If the SE overlords choose to set stronger network-wide rules on acceptable behavior in chat, chat rooms will have to fall in line.

mınxomaτ

8:47 PM

I know.

mbomb007

@Mego I first read that as "fall in love"

lol

mınxomaτ

But the idea of "interrupting conversations" is absolutely room-dependent. Maybe even more dependent on size than topic.

@mbomb007 "You'll love these 11 new rules. Number 2 is totally crazy!".

AdmBorkBork

9:00 PM

@Poke The current ROs are also visible on the "Info" link in the upper-right of the room.

Poke

nice

Gabriel Benamy

9:31 PM

if randall munroe vanished off the face of the planet but had a decently-sized comic queue, how long do you think it would take for us to notice?

i'm asking for a friend

mınxomaτ

@GabrielBenamy 1789 comics. Or thereabouts.

wizzwizz4

@GabrielBenamy What if Randall Munroe...

Gabriel Benamy

@wizzwizz4 it "updated" briefly in december of last year but it was taken down before I got to read it because it wasn't done yet, and it hasn't been updated since.

wizzwizz4

@GabrielBenamy Hmm...

Why's the site down?

mınxomaτ

What site?

Gabriel Benamy

9:35 PM

what-if isn't down, the article that got posted prematurely was.

wizzwizz4

/the site/whatif.xkcd.com/s

> 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable

Still down...

Gabriel Benamy

it's what-if not whatif

wizzwizz4

Is that a troll DNS record?

Gabriel Benamy

what-if.xkcd.com

idk

mınxomaτ

Fun fact: Use xkcd.net to browse xkcd.com with the wrong SSL cert.

wizzwizz4

9:37 PM

@mınxomaτ Ooh! :-)

Sounds fun.

wat

why does French have so many articles and gendered things

wizzwizz4

@wat Why doesn't English?

wat

@wizzwizz4 simpler i guess

although modern English is derived partially from Norman French (I think)

wizzwizz4

@wat Except it's a Germanic language...

It's really quite strange.

wat

@wizzwizz4 yeah it's sort of a mixture

i guess

wizzwizz4

9:41 PM

We should scrap it.

We're programmers; we'll think of something better.

Gabriel Benamy

from now on, only messages in esperanto will be acknowledged by TNB

wizzwizz4

@GabrielBenamy And Lojban.

(For the bots among us.)

wat

what about ido?

Gabriel Benamy

@wizzwizz4 Mi bedaŭras, mi ne komprenas vin

wizzwizz4

... And I suppose English too, for the humans... But as little as possible.

wat

9:43 PM

lol i like the fish picture

wizzwizz4

@wat It's the right one.

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 No, it's actually just the previous record. It should still be working though.

wat

@wizzwizz4 ?

I knew the answer

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ It is.

mınxomaτ

I'm still getting a 503

wizzwizz4

9:45 PM

@mınxomaτ what-if.xkcd.com

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 That is not what I'm talking about.

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ Oh.

What are you getting a 503 on?

A summary of Retrocomputing

mınxomaτ

The no-dash URL.

Steven H.

You know that Millions of People are Cancelling Their Netflix Account page that's at the top of the starboard right now? Turns out you can inject whatever into the page

mınxomaτ

@StevenH. Look at the starboard.

Steven H.

9:47 PM

Safe Web Dev 101: Don't do that

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ The no-dash URL doesn't work.

I don't know why; perhaps it never did.

Steven H.

I mean, you don't just link someone somewhere else

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 That's what I literally just said. You should click the reply link on my message.

12 mins ago, by wizzwizz4

Is that a troll DNS record?

4 mins ago, by mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 No, it's actually just the previous record. It should still be working though.

Gabriel Benamy

@StevenH. This is so exploitable...

Steven H.

EXACTLY!

Pavel

9:49 PM

@StevenH. Your code injection is nothing compared to the shittyness of MSEDGE, which just displays literally Hi, The Nineteenth Byte!/click" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">

wizzwizz4

@GabrielBenamy That's why I provided it.

Pavel

@GabrielBenamy Won't even load

Gabriel Benamy

@Pavel you've got a dialog box to deal with

Pavel

Nope

mınxomaτ

@GabrielBenamy What is that supposed to do? It just prints the code, nothing is executed.

Steven H.

9:50 PM

Oh, sorry @Pavel add a < to the end of the ref param to get rid of the /click, etc

Gabriel Benamy

@mınxomaτ it inserts a script tag that pops up an alert window with he word "loser" inside it. for every link.

DJMcMayhem

Not for me

Mistah Figgins

My friend figured out that schoology, the website my school uses, is subject to xss. He could have displayed whatever he wanted onto every persons homepage, but he was a nice person and just told schoology about it... in a way.

Pavel

stackexchange.com/admin.php

mınxomaτ

@GabrielBenamy Nope. Because there are no links anymore.

You've invalidated the HTML

Gabriel Benamy

9:52 PM

it worked for me, at least.

DJMcMayhem

@GabrielBenamy Browser?

Steven H.

It worked for me too, but only on page load

mınxomaτ

This is how it looks like in chrome.

wizzwizz4

@GabrielBenamy You should've added a <a href=" to the end.

That'll fix the problem.

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 Nope. Still no alert box when I click a link. I just opens "thisurl.com/click".

muddyfish

9:54 PM

howfinancedaily.com/landers/streaming/?ref=%22%3E%3C/…

that works for me

mınxomaτ

@muddyfish Nope, nothing.

Anonymous

TIL lots of mathematical stuff is named after the second person to discover it, because otherwise almost everything would be named after Euler

DJMcMayhem

It doesn't work in opera

mınxomaτ

Nothing so far did anything on my end. It just opens howfinancedaily.com/click in a new tab.

DJMcMayhem

@mınxomaτ What browser are you on?

mınxomaτ

9:56 PM

Chrome.

Gabriel Benamy

How about this?

mınxomaτ

Chrome contains a XSS reflector blocker.

Pavel

> jquery

mınxomaτ

So none of this will work.

Gabriel Benamy

ok i'm done

what

mınxomaτ

9:58 PM

Chrome blocks these types of "attacks" by default.

Gabriel Benamy

ah

Pavel

Default implies you can disable it?

Steven H.

That's actually a really good feature

mınxomaτ

Default doesn't imply anything.

E.g. "working" is a default condition for Chrome. You can change that. With a hammer for example.

Pavel

'default' usually applies to settings

Gabriel Benamy

10:01 PM

adios, I'm heading home and straight to bed.

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 So, I've checked the server. xkcd.com recently switched over to Fastly as a CDN. The old "unprotected" nginx server is deprecated, which is where the old "whatif." domain points.

Patrick Roberts

I just published my programming language npmjs.com/package/bean-js

I tested it on a few production minified files (like jquery) and it compresses the byte count by around 15% beyond what minification can do. Unfortunately for golfed ES6 submissions though, I found out it tends to make the byte count around 10 bytes larger because of the constant overhead.

Mistah Figgins

You should make a language for the time capsule (or submit that one, possibly)

Patrick Roberts

I'm still working on the gh-pages fork to make a public test suite for the language

Peter Taylor

J / Jelly users, the gauntlet is thrown. I'm expecting scores of at least 4000.

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Patrick Roberts

10:07 PM

@MistahFiggins for the first field on that link, do I just put chat.stackexchange.com/users/137752?

TrojanByAccident

@PatrickRoberts You could just put "Patrick Roberts (137752)"

Mistah Figgins

here is what other people wrote, for reference.

Anonymous

@PeterTaylor That's really impressive. Well done.

Patrick Roberts

Anyone have a template handy for a test suite HTML document where I can just paste my interpreter?

DJMcMayhem

@PeterTaylor Daaaaaamn that's impressive

Poke

10:17 PM

@StevenH. did you not read the context of that chat message? i think we discussed that, haha

Luis Mendo

@wat Same with Spanish, Italian, German, Portuguese, Greek, ...

TuxCopter

@wat Because why not

TrojanByAccident

Someone here: "let's stop talking about politics, it's off-topic and annoying. "
Reaction: "yeah, alright"
Essentially me in javascript room: "Can we stop talking about politics? It's off-topic, controversial, and annoying."
Reaction: "there's no topic for this room" "politics is fine" "any other topic that can be disagreed on is also controversial" etc

Steven H.

@Poke Reading the context only told me that it put in the website, and the only comment about the possibility of XSS is your "That's so insecure...". Figured I should point it out more explicitly.

Poke

fair enough