The Nineteenth Byte

Maltysen

00:00

@PhiNotPi induction furnace? but that really requires more of a mssive capacitor bank than a massive inductor

PhiNotPi

00:15

We should make an electrical component called a deductor.

Conor O'Brien

ahaha

Helka Homba

00:49

@betseg That noise is hard to make for me :/

Jonathan Allan

@PhiNotPi steal all your neighbours cutlery?

Rainbolt

I love the part of TFS build where TFS says "Everything is Ok"

feersum

Is that right after the build breaks?

Rainbolt

No, right before my tests fail.

feersum

It seemed like the most logical time for the user to need consolation.

Conor O'Brien

01:01

> assert("everything will be OK")

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:14

python returns true and doesn't throw an error

thus everything will be ok

Conor O'Brien

   assert("everything will be OK")
|syntax error
|   assert(    "everything will be OK")

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:30

wat

quartata

It's J

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay then

what's it do

feersum

Works with single quotes.

quartata

J actually does have an assert verb though but strings are single quotes so

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Mods should this be faq?

36

Q: What are programming languages?

Often, answers to questions asking for "programs" or talking about "programming languages" utilize things like sed, awk, … in order to get around having to write an actual shell script. Therefore, a question comes to my mind: What qualifies as a programming language? Sure, ultimately the OP ca...

it's had the faq-proposed tag for a while, and it hasn't been removed

not sure if removal is what you do for rejected faq questions though

Downgoat

01:37

TIL you should not include requests.log on backups

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

why not?

Downgoat

it is huuuuuggggeee

its like ~3 lines for every single request

It doesn't seem to clear itself out either

so it's been copying for like 10 minutes...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Ashwin Gupta

@Mego oh a job. Well good luck bro! I hope you get it because honestly you are a really good programmer and google could use someone like you.

@Downgoat forgive me here because I don't get JS, but is:
    $.ajax({
        url: 'search.php',
        dataType: 'jsonp',
        data: {
            q: data
        },
        success: function (results) {

        }
    });


data an object within an object?

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta yeah it is

Ashwin Gupta

01:50

@Maltysen ok great. Thanks for telling me, wanted to be sure.

all this JSON bull crap makes my head hurt.

mınxomaτ

@Maltysen Are the times you've sent me UTC? It doesn't seem like it

Maltysen

but that data it refers to is completely different from the data used as the key

Ashwin Gupta

ik

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ oh yeah, if forgot about that

they're est

can i send you new times anyways, now that i have a better feel for things since the school year started?

i'll remember to put them in UTC this time

mınxomaτ

Yes, please.

Maltysen

01:51

btw how does UTC and est work with daylights savings, i was always confused about that

mınxomaτ

DST in your timezone or what?

Maltysen

there is DST in my timezone, but I thought UTC didn't have it

mınxomaτ

No, UTC is constant.

Maltysen

so does the conversion constant change?

mınxomaτ

When is the next DST change in your timezone? If it's soon, just add/sub the hour and tell me the date.

Maltysen

01:54

@mınxomaτ its in a month

mınxomaτ

Then use the time a month from now.

I.e. just put "<your time>+<DST offset> in UTC" in google.

Maltysen

ok

mınxomaτ

And remember that I need the result name of the day, not the input one.

Maltysen

oh i see, utc is 4 hrs ahead of me now

and the map says 5

mınxomaτ

So it's 5 again in a month, I guess

Maltysen

01:56

yeah

ohhhhhhh DST is not a change but a period

google says "Daylight Saving Time (United States) 2016 began at 2:00 AM on
Sunday, March 13
and ends at 2:00 AM on
Sunday, November 6"

so it happens until Nov 6, but 5 hrs offset is the real one

mınxomaτ

Well it depends. In certain parts of Europe, DST shifts a whole timezone during that period.

Jul 28 at 18:25, by mınxomaτ

> As of 2011, all member states of the European Union observe summer time; those that use CET during the winter use Central European Summer Time (CEST) (or: UTC+02:00, daylight saving time) in summer (from last Sunday of March to last Sunday of October). The exceptions to this are only to Algeria and Tunisia, which use Central European Time all year round.

Maltysen

i need to give the top 3 three hour chunks of time right?

mınxomaτ

Sure. I don't even know anymore. TZ are confusing.

It'll probably be during Fri-Sat-Sun in UTC anyway, since that is when most people can vary their times.

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ no i mean, what you asked me to do. i give you the top 3 at least three hour chunks of time that are free for me, right?

mınxomaτ

Yes.

Maltysen

02:00

kk

mınxomaτ

@muddyfish You said your times will change mid-September, please send me the new times if possible.

> Mondays 3 PM, Sundays 4 PM, Fridays 10 PM

Rofl. These weren't periods to begin with :D

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ oh, i meant that i was free for at least 3 hrs from then on

:P

DJMcMayhem

@mınxomaτ that reminds me, any update on the podcast?

mınxomaτ

Also, I need the birth year (or your age), not the day. Sorry.

yesterday, by mınxomaτ

@Fatalize Yes. I'm preparing the timeslots for the first few test recordings. I need to talk with some people about their times.

DJMcMayhem

OK cool. How many people will probably be on that?

mınxomaτ

02:08

Wait didn't you get the mail?

DJMcMayhem

I don't think so. Let me check

mınxomaτ

Wait, didn't I even talk with you about this?

Wait, that was Doorknob I think.

Doorknob

Anything I need to do now, or are we just still waiting for things to finalize?

mınxomaτ

yesterday, by mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp That's going to be determined in the test recording and on a schedule basis. 3 people regular cast max.

@Doorknob I need to talk to Alex again. Then we'll coordinate a few times.

Doorknob

Sounds good

DJMcMayhem

02:11

@mınxomaτ last email I have from you was august 21

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ sent

mınxomaτ

@DJMcMayhem I confused you with someone else. Sorry.

But yeah, see above.

DJMcMayhem

Ok, no problem. Let me know as any further updates come

Nathan Merrill

@Mego Maybe this is making waiting worse, but I got an offer after my first set of 5 interviews, so its odd they flew you out a second time

oh, nevermind, I didn't read on

ignore me :)

mınxomaτ

@Maltysen Uhm, did you forget a day for slot #2 or is it stil Monday?

Conor O'Brien

02:18

@mınxomaτ I can't wait to hear this. I'd participate but age

mınxomaτ

@ConorO'Brien All interested people right now are <21 except Alex and me.

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ ooops that was friday, i sent another email

Conor O'Brien

@mınxomaτ yeah, but I can't get parental consent so... :P

mınxomaτ

Did you ask?

@Maltysen kk

Conor O'Brien

I don't have to, the answer would be "no"

PhiNotPi

02:20

I totally missed what this whole podcast thing is.

DJMcMayhem

Why stop there? Let's get a bunch of code-golfing 9 year old.

Maltysen

@ConorO'Brien ssshhhh you don't have to tell him that, the magical signature fairy that signs all your failed quizzes in school will take care of that

DJMcMayhem

Why stop there? Let's get a bunch of code-golfing 9 year olds.

Conor O'Brien

@Maltysen too late now >_>

mınxomaτ

@PhiNotPi A coding and/or golfing related podcast. You can still join in if you want.

PhiNotPi

02:23

Seems cool. Yes, I'm interested in getting involved in more stuff. I don't really know what would be involved though.

feersum

I'd be interested if only it didn't involve talking (and thus losing anonynmity) :P

PhiNotPi

Wear a Darth Vader mask.

Conor O'Brien

kkkchk I am not feersum. kkkckkh

mınxomaτ

@PhiNotPi Drop me your e-mail at [email protected]. I'll just forward the initial mail I've sent the others.

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien Hey can you think of anything that still needs work on my sandbox post? I'm tired of waiting, I wanna post it tonight

Maltysen

02:29

halp how do i make bootstrap readonly input look not readonly

PhiNotPi

@mınxomaτ sent

mınxomaτ

@PhiNotPi ditto

PhiNotPi

lol @ lack of BCC

mınxomaτ

Well, you are in the BCC, in a sense :D

DJMcMayhem

We haven't had a single challenge posted today that wasn't closed.

;_;

PhiNotPi

02:41

@mınxomaτ how exactly do the test-rounds work? Like, how do people organize what to talk about and stuff?

mınxomaτ

I'll prepare them. One topic. It's really just a test to see the chemistry.

Also to see what means of audio recording everyone has.

yesterday, by mınxomaτ

@Fatalize Probably not. I do the recording and mastering as well as the topic preparation. While I will (very loosely) moderate the recording, I'll not end up in any episode.

PhiNotPi

TODO: make recordings not sound like a potato

I have a pair of headphones with a mic, I haven't tested them out yet.

mınxomaτ

I'll actually have a quick setup session with everyone to see what audio quality we can produce. Obviously, it's not recorded live. It'll be a Skype/Discord etc. hangout while everyone records audio at their end. I'll edit and master the episode in the end.

I can rescue pretty bad audio, but there's a limit to everything ;-)

El'endia Starman

Could someone pretty please make transcripts of these?

mınxomaτ

Like closed captions?

El'endia Starman

02:52

Closed captions, subtitles, transcripts, whatever.

Maltysen

doesn't youtube automatically do that?

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman Uh, sure.

El'endia Starman

Though technically closed captions and subtitles are different, since the former doesn't include environmental noises.

@Maltysen He'll be uploading podcasts to YouTube?

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman Why I asked.

@El'endiaStarman Probably not. But the soundcloud post will have a transcript. Not a problem.

Maltysen

@El'endiaStarman idk

El'endia Starman

02:54

@mınxomaτ In that case, yes.

@mınxomaτ Ooh, Soundcloud does that too?

mınxomaτ

No, but I will.

El'endia Starman

Okay, that will be very much appreciated. :)

Conor O'Brien

@El'endiaStarman I thought you could hear to some degree with an aid? Or is it easier just to read/am I just wrong?

El'endia Starman

@ConorO'Brien Far easier to read. I can hear and understand people talking, but that greatly depends on things like noise, sound clarity, and accents.

And lip-reading contributes significantly to my comprehension.

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman How good is your comprehension with other podcasts?

El'endia Starman

02:59

@mınxomaτ I don't even try.

Maltysen

03:11

@mınxomaτ thnx for showing me github projects, using it now, in collaboration with someone else, really great

PhiNotPi

@mınxomaτ sent my response email. Any time estimate for how long until you start organizing events?

mınxomaτ

1 week probably. Depending on everyone's response time when i send an email.

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03:30

0

Q: When was this language released?

Your challenge is simple. You need to write a program that prints to either STDOUT or a file the year the language it is written in was released. Because this is such a simple task, the twist is that it must be written in as many different languages as possible. Your score is the total number of...

code-golf polyglot

Eugene Fedotov

Hey I'm new. I'm not golfing, but I'm trying to figure out a solution to a closed problem. stackoverflow.com/questions/1683857/code-golf-hourglass I don't understand the logic for inserting spaces into the middle of a row. Can someone help me?

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03:44

0

Q: "Could you repeat yourself?" aka Could a doubled character solution exist in JavaScript?

This thinking exercise is inspired from Super Chafouin's question "Just Repeat Yourself" in which the phrase "Do not repeat yourself!" had to be outputted using code that was basically a series of doubled characters, inclusive of newlines, so code like: ((zz==0011))&&((mm++&&mm++&&mm++&&mm++&&mm++

discussion javascript feasibility restricted-source

Sherlock9

04:34

@mınxomaτ Turned 21 last Thursday

mınxomaτ

Oh missed that. Well, happy birthday a week late :D

Sherlock9

Not a problem. Thanks

@Dennis Thanks Dennis

So, remind me. If a language bug was fixed on GitHub before a challenge or my answer was posted, but TIO wasn't pulled, is my answer still valid?

Dennis

Sure. It has to work in one interpreter, not all of them.

Sherlock9

Thank you very much :D

I posted a comment to that effect under my answer for posterity

Yikes, three prepositional phrases in a row. There should be a better way to write that sentence.

DLosc

04:51

@EugeneFedotov Welcome to PPCG! When you say "logic for inserting spaces into the middle of a row," do you mean "how many spaces to use in the middle of each row in this problem," or are you asking about programming techniques that you can use to accomplish this task?

mınxomaτ

05:09

@PhiNotPi >Mondays from 8:00pm-10:30pm or after 1:30am

Is the last "am" time still Monday, or actually Tuesday?

DLosc

@DJMcMayhem With regard to your comment, I guess my main question to you is: What are you trying to prevent by specifying "Latest commit does not count"?

You clearly want to allow multiple versions of the same language, but for Pip, in essence, commits == versions.

Steven H.

05:29

Did anyone actually complete Qwerp-Derp's CMC? I want to see it?

DJMcMayhem

@DLosc I guess now that I think about it, as long as each commit has a version number along with it, that should count fine

betseg

Morning!

@StevenH. what is it?

DJMcMayhem

Night!

Steven H.

@betseg chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/32610799#32610799

It's also on the starboard

betseg

@StevenH. there isn't starboard on mobile ;_;

Steven H.

05:38

:(

betseg

@SEadmins ^^ feature-request

@HelkaHomba lol

New Main Posts

06:33

5

Q: "Could you repeat yourself?" aka Could a doubled character solution exist in JavaScript?

This thinking exercise is inspired from Super Chafouin's question "Just Repeat Yourself" in which the phrase "Do not repeat yourself!" had to be outputted using code that was basically a series of doubled characters, inclusive of newlines, so code like: ((zz==0011))&&((mm++&&mm++&&mm++&&mm++&&mm++

restricted-source javascript discussion feasibility

3

Q: Compute the Mertens function

Given a positive integer n, compute the value of the Mertens function M(n) where and μ(k) is the Möbius function where μ(k) = 1 if k has an even number of distinct primes, -1 if k has an odd number of distinct primes, and 0 if the primes are not distinct. This is code-golf so create the shor...

code-golf math sequence

muddyfish

06:44

@mınxomaτ times sent

mınxomaτ

Received.

muddyfish

I'm pretty sure they're right - They'll be an hour later until November

mınxomaτ

This is more for general overlap search right now.

muddyfish

I'll also be free once a week only - parenty stuff

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Q: How to score a golflang with a 9-bit character set

So I’ve been thinking about creating a golflang somewhat inspired by Jelly, but I’ve decided for it to be encoded in a 9-bit codepage, so that there are 512 possible characters to use. I can come up with a few different ways to score this, but I want to know what the recommended scoring method wo...

discussion code-golf scoring characters

Fatalize

06:50

^ boring way of trying to have a small edge

Destructible Watermelon

07:20

oh, just realised I can insert python answer in this answer

betseg

@DestructibleWatermelon plz no

Qwerp-Derp

Hello

betseg

Comments are too unoriginal

Destructible Watermelon

...

Qwerp-Derp

Wot?

Destructible Watermelon

07:22

I just need to figure out how to insert without just copy pasting from that other guys answer

aha

Qwerp-Derp

Argh Gitbook is so annoying

I want to put a custom syntax highlighter in GitBook

but it's too hard

:(

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#define comment /* turtled + brainfuck

Python

#*/

C

6 in 1

Qwerp-Derp

Is there any way to redefine print as out in Python?

Because then I can probably make a Python / Logicode entry

betseg

out("text") or out "text"?

Destructible Watermelon

winning!

Qwerp-Derp

07:29

out "text"

But logicode doesn't support strings, only binary strings

So like 1000101100101010 and stuff

Destructible Watermelon

while turtlèd does not have comment syntax, capturing code in a pair of hashes does the job, if you don't need the contents of string variable

betseg

I found a way for 4 langs but I need ur codez

Qwerp-Derp

@betseg How do I do it

betseg

#define q \bf code/ "#"2016 \n \my C89-C99/

Qwerp-Derp

:(

betseg

07:35

@DestructibleWatermelon ^^ and ^^^^

Qwerp-Derp

Can I do out = print; out 1000?

Destructible Watermelon

not with python 2, I don't think...

let me check

nope

will work with python 3, but the parens will still be in play

when was ><>/fish released please?

oh wait, it was right there on the page, stupid me

betseg

@DestructibleWatermelon i made 2.7 3.5 89 99, will add bf too

Destructible Watermelon

huh

well I just added ><>, so there

I might add fission

Qwerp-Derp

07:59

Ah crap

Destructible Watermelon

wait a minute...

Qwerp-Derp

Wait does C or C++ or C# have #define?

Destructible Watermelon

wait, everythings fine

Qwerp-Derp

Can I do something like this?

orlp

I just did my CS homework

pretty funny excercise

write a turing machine that given two number x, y in unary on the tape returns x/y

Destructible Watermelon

08:09

I need to add another language before I get outpolyglotted

betseg

Welp i couldn't add python

The newline in the C code is a big problem

Luis Mendo

Does anyone have CJam version 0.6.2 or earlier installed, or know how to run that versions online? Not the latest version

betseg

ideone.com/vJAK3J

Halp

Qwerp-Derp

@Downgoat Are you on?

betseg

08:24

^^nvm

@DestructibleWatermelon i have c89,99,p2,3 (4 langs)

Destructible Watermelon

someone has 5

betseg

ikr

Destructible Watermelon

someone has 6

;_;

betseg

But no esolangs, 4 Standard langs

Destructible Watermelon

I'm back in the competition with fission!

betseg

08:35

Argh C has a , that will trigger input in BF

I can't add BF

Destructible Watermelon

hah

hey!

can you use [ and ] to fix it?

because it never evaluates input then?

betseg

Oh makes sense

Teachers looking at me l8r

Destructible Watermelon

0h n0es

betseg

Added bf

Destructible Watermelon

did I help at all?

betseg

08:45

Python version finding :p

Similar method

Destructible Watermelon

08:57

added an explanation to my answer, maybe it will be better now

betseg

Look at my explanation

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Q: Yes, of course I'm an adult!

I think we've all done this as a kid: some websites require a minimum age of 18, so we just add a few years to the year of birth and voila, we 'are' 18+. In addition, for most rides at amusement parks the minimum height to enter is 1.40 meters (here in The Netherlands it as at least). Of course t...

code-golf arithmetic

betseg

09:21

Yay lunch break

ill watch cya

Destructible Watermelon

well, looks like I'm losing to minor language version polyglots :(

>:(

Sp3000

I'd do a multi-language polyglot but I know if I do that I'll be on this computer for the next 10 hours

:P

mınxomaτ

09:38

That's the idea :P

Destructible Watermelon

>:( I'm still mad that you did the cheap trick, but you got outpolyglotted anyway

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Q: Convert pointfree to pointful

Being a Haskell hacker, I prefer pointfree notation over pointful. Unfortunately some people find pointfree notation hard to read, and I find it hard to get the correct number of parentheses when I write in pointful. Help me convert code written in pointfree to pointful notation! About In point...

code-golf string function

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Q: If statement Help req

Im doing this in school atm a math application so i really dont know what to do excuse me. int Antwoord1 = Convert.ToInt32(Antwoord12); if(Antwoord1 == (randomNumber1 * randomNumber2)); Antwoord= Awnser Randomnumber= Random random = new Random(); int randomNumb...

code-generation

Destructible Watermelon

wait, not sure if that one is valid

Sp3000

:(

Destructible Watermelon

that one actually reads the build year of interpreter, so probs invalid

carry on "winning"

maybe I should post your answer, but with turtlèd at the top

and be "winning"

Sp3000

09:45

:/ you do realise I didn't post that with the intention of winning, right?

If I did I'd have started by porting my versatile integer printer solution

Destructible Watermelon

I'm kind of confused why you posted the trivial python version solution if you didn't want to win

Sp3000

It wasn't exactly trivial...

Destructible Watermelon

ehhh

that isn't the point

Geobits

I have no idea what the point was now.

Fatalize

@Dennis Could you please pull Brachylog?

Destructible Watermelon

09:53

the point is that the post makes me have this face --> ಠ_ಠ and sometimes this face --> ;_;

Geobits

I'd be disapproving and sad too if there was always an arrow pointing at my face.

Destructible Watermelon

ಠ_ಠ

Sp3000

@DestructibleWatermelon To answer your question: wouldn't you find it interesting to learn how your favourite language has evolved over time?

Destructible Watermelon

no

not on a polyglot challenge

Geobits

If it wasn't meant to allow that, it wouldn't allow it. If you have issues with it, you should be talking to the challenge poster, not the answerers. You can't really blame people for following the rules.

El'endia Starman

10:08

Personally, I'm impressed that Sp3000 figured out the little bits of information needed to distinguish each version of Python in the answer, all the while keeping it syntactically valid for the very first one.

4

Destructible Watermelon

yeah... I'm still a little bit disappointed though. The only way to really compete at this point is to make it different language versions, which seems kind of weird for a polyglot challenge

El'endia Starman

Or you could just not worry about "winning". I've never "won" a challenge and I don't mind, because I've had fun.

TùxCräftîñg

shang

Geobits

I've "won" three. Two popcons and a koth. I don't even try to win in golf ;)

Fatalize

In 192 answers I have won 3, though 2 of those are on challenges that got 1 and 2 answers.

The third one I beat Pyth by 2 bytes so it feels better :p

TùxCräftîñg

10:18

github.com/brainopia/symbolic :D sympy for ruby

Sp3000

To be fair, I understand what Watermelon's getting at, so I guess I'll go start that multi-language answer after all...

Destructible Watermelon

Hooray I influenced someones opinion!

suggestions for languages to add to my entry?

Destructible Watermelon

10:42

I should make a 2d language...

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s/2d //

TùxCräftîñg

i am working on a symbol-based golf lang

Destructible Watermelon

I was also thinking of making a golfing language...

except I don't know how that unprintable stuff works... or code page stuff

how to make code page?

TùxCräftîñg

a fucntion to encode and a function to decode

Destructible Watermelon

actually I'll probably just use the jelly codepage

but how to use jelly codepage

maybe when I make a golfing lang people will like my languages

TùxCräftîñg

10:48

CODEPAGE = "abcdefg"

def encode(s)
    s_ = ""
    s.each_char do |c|
        s_ += CODEPAGE.index(c).chr
    end
    s_
end

def decode(s)
    s_ = ""
    s.each_char do |c|
        s_ += CODEPAGE[c.ord]
    end
    s_
end

simple codepage encoder/decoder in ruby

Destructible Watermelon

?

TùxCräftîñg

u asked how to make a codepage

Destructible Watermelon

but i don't know ruby ;_;

TùxCräftîñg

the encode function read a string and replace each character with the index in the codepage associated with the character in the codepage

decode do the convers

Destructible Watermelon

ok

pythonate pls

TùxCräftîñg

10:50

kk

Destructible Watermelon

also, would it be possible to use this method for <1 byte encodings?

TùxCräftîñg

it just need some more logic for the compression

Destructible Watermelon

kk cool

TùxCräftîñg

CODEPAGE = "abcdefg"

def encode(s):
    s_ = ""
    for c in s:
        s_ += chr(CODEPAGE.index(c))
    return s_

def decode(s):
    s_ = ""
    for c in s:
        s_ += CODEPAGE[ord(c)]
    return s_

Destructible Watermelon

also, I heard people calling code review our "rivals". Why is that?

TùxCräftîñg

10:52

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

probably cuz they dont like code golf

Destructible Watermelon

those bastards!

I'll ~~kill~~ dislike them!

TùxCräftîñg

:O

Destructible Watermelon

indeed

also thanks

so pretty much, I think I'll just golfify turtlèd

I'll call it something like koopa, by analogy with sesos

Koopa'd, perhaps

is there a python command which counts bytes?

TùxCräftîñg

len

lol

Destructible Watermelon

print(len("∂")) prints 1

TùxCräftîñg

10:59

len(code.encode(encoding)) for bytes

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