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9:02 AM
‮@flawr Hello
 
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Q: Predictive game: 0 or 1?

RCaetano(This is my first post in PCG so forgive me if I made some mistake; If I made any please let me know so I can edit the answer) Objective: The objective of this challenge is simple: you must develop an "AI player" who guesses the other player (you) next choice, turn after turn. Details: Sounds...

 
> PCG
 
it's on the logo >_>
 
xD
he forget golfing langs in his multipliers (very bad idea btw)
> Python / Matlab = 1.1 x #Chars
...
 
9:06 AM
@TùxCräftîñg yeah, definitely
 
I think it is a bad idea to introduce score multipliers. It seems you're totally ignoring CJam,Jelly,Matl,Pyth etc, they'd have to have a factor of about 1000x. I doubt people will like the challenge in this form, so I do also suggest putting it in the sandbox first. — flawr 34 secs ago
 
I wonder what Lenguage's factor would be
 
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x
 
@flawr 0/10 so unfair
 
even with this jelly will beat java ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
9:11 AM
@ASCII-only What base is 10?
 
@flawr base 9 + 1/base A
 
Okay seriously shameless self-advertisement but only because I feel really clever for this answer.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE SyntaxError: not a chance
 
@zyabin101 ouuuuuch
 
Why the heck are these constant output challenges so damn popular? It seems leakynun is just spamming these around for gaining a ton of rep with no effort.
 
9:14 AM
Ahh, an import should have fixed it before the plug errored...
 
@Dennis I suppose you could say that you're number one in that field.
 
> Please don't suggest edits to answers to challenges which somehow change the answerer's score. For more information, see meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/1615/….
 
Anonymous
@flawr To be fair, they post a ton of challenges. But yeah, the constant output challenges aren't great.
 
^^ suggested edit rejection reasoning for answers that change the score.
I put this in the public domain - do, what you want.
 
the challenge is deleted?
 
9:17 AM
@Mego I think the quality of the average challenges dropped a lot within the last few weeks.
 
@flawr I generally just don't upvote that stuff. Don't downvote, because there's nothing wrong, just don't upvote.
 
Telling people how to vote never worked so far=)
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

RCaetano(This is my first post in PPCG sandbox so forgive me if I made some mistake; If I made any please let me know so I can edit the question) Objective: The objective of this challenge is simple: you must develop an "AI player" who guesses the other player (you) next choice, turn after turn. Detai...

 
Most people vote on what they like or don't like, and are heavily influenced by the number of votes already present, and by how far up a certain answer is.
 
@flawr In other words:
The broken windows theory is a criminological theory of the norm-setting and signaling effect of urban disorder and vandalism on additional crime and anti-social behavior. The theory states that maintaining and monitoring urban environments to prevent small crimes such as vandalism, public drinking, and toll-jumping helps to create an atmosphere of order and lawfulness, thereby preventing more serious crimes from happening. The theory was introduced in a 1982 article by social scientists James Q. Wilson and George L. Kelling. Since then it has been subject to great debate both within the social...
 
9:25 AM
More like borked vote theory.
 
Guess today's doodle sport. :3
 
Has there ever been a metagolf challenge: "Given a string, output the shortest brainfuck program that outputs said string"?
 
@DJMcMayhem Yup.
 
@DJMcMayhem yes
 
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Q: Brainf*** Golfer

JiminPOne of easiest code written by a programming language is a program printing sequence of characters (ex. "Hello, world!"). However, some esoteric programming languages like Brainfuck, even this simplest code is quite annoying to write. Your task is to write a program (don't have to written in bra...

@LeakyNun ninja'd, now by a long shot
 
9:37 AM
OK, tyvm
 
@DJMcMayhem Any CMC?
 
@TùxCräftîñg His/her name just means one two three
 
wat
open unicode search
 
It's Chinese
 
9:41 AM
i see , undefined and undefined
 
@TùxCräftîñg Then your unicode search is borked
 
25 secs ago, by Leaky Nun
@TùxCräftîñg Then your unicode search is borked
 
Please stop replying with message one boxes.
It's annoying to some.
Ehh, me.
 
9:57 AM
@flawr I put up about five challenges this week if you want to take a look
 
@Loong Hi! I remember you from The Periodic Table
 
Loong time no see? :D
 
HEY AT LEAST IT WASNT CODE TROLLING
 
@NewMainPosts 111111111111111
 
@NewMainPosts Please make that go away.
 
10:05 AM
@Mego Okay, what do you mean by "in front"?
And ^ is still exponentiation in TIO
 
@NewMainPosts cron. but make that go away (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
 
I created a PPCG combined feed!
It encompasses new questions, sandboxed challenges and meta posts.
 
Hmm skin care companies giving money advice...
Totally legit
 
@TùxCräftîñg Dealt the final blow on the question.
 
10:19 AM
@Downgoat I believe that your -X ours overwrote the updated stdlib.es6.
 
halp my connection is slow ꜱʟᴏᴡ
 
10:57 AM
Android KitKat makes phones completely useless. I can't write directly on the SD card.
 
Linux kernel 3.4 will reach EOL next month. What do you think Google will do?
 
I can't have root access until the phone has reached its end of warranty, so I'm really screwed.
@ReleasingHeliumNuclei First, Google will probably don't care itself and let OEMs transmit the kernel updates.
 
@zyabin101 Most of the OEMs have 3.10 already.
 
Second, the OEMs will slack while the kernel EOLs.
 
> Adblock Plus bypasses Facebook's attempt to restrict ad blockers. "It took only two days to find a workaround."
 
11:01 AM
inb4
> Facebook bypasses Adblock's attempt to block adverts.
 
i saw something recently
 
> By locking access to Facebook with ad blockers.
 
adblock-blocker-blocker
 
100 years later, after the end of the Great Adblock War against Facebook, we start using adblock-blocker-blocker-blocker-blocker-blocker-blocker-blocker-blocker-...-blo‌​ckers
 
3adblocked5me
 
11:06 AM
brb upgraded kernel, rebooting
 
> As a non-developer it sounds like a line from a Japanese disaster film; “There’s something implicit going on in Heroku”
 
@ReleasingHeliumNuclei what is your kernel version now? :3
 
> $ uname -r
> 4.7.0-1-ARCH
 
\o/
 
11:09 AM
> s/==C:/Program Files/Git/===/g and a more bloated stdlib
bash expansion ftw?
 
11:28 AM
Not related to democracy
 
how many new strawpolls on democracy since the datatype one?
 
Android
cant vote because my connection is dumb
 
@DestructibleWatermelon 0
 
@DJMcMayhem C'mon, you bette get to work!
 
11:30 AM
<silent_frustration></silent_frustration>
 
@βετѧΛєҫαγ But how man- Buy some Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream at your local store today!
 
I don't even remember what data type won
 
How can we encourage people to only post descriptive strawpoll links?
 
I don't think any datatype won
 
Damn. 7 androids, 0 of everything else
 
11:31 AM
Ninja downvotes on randomly selected posts of straw-pollers.
 
You guys got carried away with sierpinski triangles and pretty fractals
 
@feersum They have to know about it to amend their behaviour :P
 
@trichoplax ;_; Sowee. I'll make it to to you
 
that's it. I'm running an opposition language to democracy.
 
This way is even more effective.
 
11:32 AM
@DestructibleWatermelon Hey, are you saying the Sierpinski triangle isn't a pretty fractal?!?
 
They will suspect any downvote of being about their straw polls.
 
@feersum Ah ha!
 
Is that better?
 
i only opensource
 
11:33 AM
@trichoplax It was unintentionally implied, but I didn't mean it
 
@trichoplax Don't.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Caleb PaulPrint a booklet I want to take a given PDF document and put four pages of that document onto the front and four pages onto the back of a US letter sheet of paper (8.5" x 11"): Fold here │ ↓ ┌────┬────┐ ─┐ │ │ │ │ Top │ 1 │ 2 │ │ ...

 
@DestructibleWatermelon I know I'm joking :)
 
Aha! And the first apple product comes in!
 
IPHONE ALERT WEEEEEOOOOO
ninja'd
 
11:34 AM
@trichoplax Take matters into our own hands and edit them to be descriptive. We would be, after all, following the SE model...
 
Ok, any ideas for names for the new language?
 
@DJMcMayhem Much better. I'm guessing you'll get more responses that way too
 
I already got more responses than I thought I would.
 
The only viable solution that we think of is disallow straw polls in TNB, but only in TNB (branching off to make rooms for strawpolls would be fine). That isn't a solution, and we get lots more problems instead.
 
@El'endiaStarman I like that idea. And the slippery slope it foreshadows...
 
11:35 AM
I thought chat is usually dead at this time
 
It's Friday...
 
Is it really Friday? My sense of time is screwed up
 
Any CMC/real challenge?
 
@DJMcMayhem I had to double check, but yes
 
what does CMC mean again?
 
11:36 AM
sometimes vim delete 50% of the current file without any reason
 
Cyclical Mega Challenge
 
@DestructibleWatermelon Chat mini challenge.
 
@TùxCräftîñg hit u
 
@LeakyNun CMC: Post any challenge that isn't an alphabet pattern output challenge.
 
11:37 AM
The only viable solution I see is allow both kinds of straw poll links, and that makes no problems.
 
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Q: Bijective mapping from the integers to the rationals

Leaky NunDefinition A rational is a number that can be expressed as A/B where A and B are integers, B is positive, and A and B are co-prime. Task You are to write two programs/functions, one which takes a rational and output an integer, another which takes an integer and outputs a rational. Denote the...

 
CMC: Do it again. :P
 
@LeakyNun Closed challenges don't count.
 
@El'endiaStarman Ohhh shots fired
 
@zyabin101 I'm not suggesting disallowing anything - I only said "encourage" :)
 
11:38 AM
CMC: Given "N", output an "NxN" grid of asterisks
 
@DJMcMayhem n=input();for i in range(n):print "*"*n
 
It should be five, zé*zÄ but I don't have that working yet
 
@DJMcMayhem Minkolang, 14 bytes: nd["*"]lr$D$O.
 
@DJMcMayhem Pyth, 6 bytes: j*]*\*
 
I'm shocked at the results of the straw poll. I knew android would do better, but I didn't expect it to crush iPhone.
 
11:43 AM
@DJMcMayhem python 3: lambda n:("*"*n+"\n")*n
 
@DJMcMayhem Remember PPCG has a markedly different personality distribution than the population as a whole
 
@trichoplax Encouraging is not a solution, it is the same as restricting, and people are fed up with even more restrictions.
Especially on straw polls.
 
@zyabin101 Restriction is enforced. Encouragement is just a suggestion.
 
@DJMcMayhem Exactly - I guess the people who are under-represented here buy the rest of the iPhones
 
11:45 AM
Lots of "*ntp"s
Which isn't really a surprise at all
 
Any comments on this sandbox post before I post to main?
 
@DJMcMayhem Outgolfed V
 
2 hours ago, by zyabin101
Please stop replying with message one boxes.
 
@trichoplax I like it!
 
Thanks :)
 
11:47 AM
I originally thought that you had to output from both alphabets
 
@trichoplax I replied his 3 subsequent messages with one-box; they were then flagged and removed.
 
perhaps that would be better, but I don't know
 
@trichoplax Just to clarify, it doesn't matter what the probabilities are, just as long as they are distinct?
 
@LeakyNun I was quoting it in response to "fed up with even more restrictions"
 
as in A and a both have to have different possibilities of occurring
 
11:49 AM
@DJMcMayhem Distinct and non zero - apart from that anything goes
 
lemme pregolf this so I can have my few minutes of glory of best score
 
@DestructibleWatermelon This was a CMC yesterday so it's already pregolfed ;)
 
Although changing it to require both cases would negate that to some extent
 
I tried pre-golfing it and my solution is 16 bytes. ;_;
 
11:52 AM
Does it matter if the likelyhood of seeing a letter is super-minute?
 
@DestructibleWatermelon As long as you can explain what it is, I don't see a problem with that
 
xnor suggested using something other than letters of the alphabet after the high density of alphabet challenges recently, so I was half considering using the digits 0 to 9 instead. Any thoughts/ideas?
 
lemme just calculate the probability of seeing "A" right here...
@trichoplax It's not really that kind of alphabet challenge, so I don't think that matters
but what would I know
 
@trichoplax Go ahead with that new alphabet
 
11:54 AM
It would make my solution shorter, so go for it! :P
 
@DestructibleWatermelon That's my attitude to all the alphabet challenges - as long as they are distinct tasks I don't see the problem
@LeakyNun The digits, you mean? Or make up a new alphabet?
 
Or, you could do "given N output a number in (0, n) where each number had a distinct probability
 
@trichoplax The digits themselves is an alphabet
 
@DJMcMayhem I like that. Doesn't allow for some of the kinds of solutions that were being presented for letters though.
@LeakyNun The only thing bringing me back to the letters is the thought that someone might be able to use the case insensitivity in some way, but I can't imagine how
 
I think that if you make it a random letter from "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" that would be a good addition in my opinion
or maybe add _ into the mix
 
12:01 PM
@DestructibleWatermelon I think that overcomplicates the problem since most or all of the additional code needed will be solely to have the full string.
 
The fact that it isn't a contiguous subsequence of ASCII means yesterday's solutions will need to be augmented. It makes it more challenging, but I fear it may end up just making it 2 challenges in 1
 
@trichoplax suggestion: just remove the random part of it already
 
@LeakyNun Make it "print the alphabet"?
Or print each letter a different number of times?
 
Print a letter of the alphabet?
 
12:03 PM
@trichoplax Maybe you could post it at the same time as yesterday, so that people have a chance to answer with their own pre-golfed answers (and Leaky Nun doesn't get to steal all the languages).
 
I think that whatever way you have it, it will be good, there are a few different ways of approaching the challenge, and it isn't clear which is best
 
@trichoplax print the alphabet where each letter has a distinct non-zero frequency
@El'endiaStarman Wtf?
 
@LeakyNun I like that - that does seem to reduce 2 problems to 1
 
my program just ded wat
 
@El'endiaStarman If the optimal solutions can all be posted quickly, I still regard that as a problem with the challenge, not the answerer
 
12:06 PM
@trichoplax In this case, the optimal solutions for many languages have already been posted.
 
@El'endiaStarman I'm not qualified to judge, but they did seem short enough to make that likely. I'm torn between simplifying and adding more complexity
 
I don't know what you need to make this challenge the best it can be, but I really want this challenge
 
Surprisingly 50:59
 
109% of people responded
 
@βετѧΛєҫαγ wut
 
12:18 PM
@DestructibleWatermelon buzzfeed.com/beckybarnicoat/…
 
@βετѧΛєҫαγ see previous message
 
argh json is absolutely screwing with my head
 
@βετѧΛєҫαγ WTF?
 
help pls!
hello?
 
what is the shortest way to get alphabet in python again?
 
12:22 PM
string.ascii_letters()
but you need to do import string
 
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A: Making Future Posts Runnable Online with Stack Snippets

TùxCräftîñgNeoscript Only work on ES6 browsers "use strict"; function nodejswrapper(url) { let data = $.ajax({ type: "GET", url: url, async: false }).responseText; return new Function("let module={};" + data + "return module.exports;")(); } let tokenize...

 
anyone that can help me with some json stuff?
 
@Dennis TIL
 
len("import string;string.ascii_letters()")<len("abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz")
False
 
12:24 PM
wot
hang on
i think you can just do string.letters() instead
 
map(chr,range(...,...))
 
im not sure you need the brackets on the end either
can anyone help me with json?
 
ok. I guess i was hoping just a bit that there was one a fair amount shorter than the naive method
 
ok whoa a lot of people are on
:( no one wants to help
 
12:27 PM
@DerpfacePython It's not about wanting to. There may not be anyone with that particular expertise available at present. Have you considered posting a question to SO?
 
looked around SO for a bit, and I'm still confused, tbh @trichoplax
thought this would be good enough
 
@DerpfacePython Confused about how to ask?
 
@trichoplax Not necessarily asking, just about everything.
 
Sometimes you'll get an answer in here, it just depends who's around... :)
What have you tried?
Our tags have gone square cornered...
 
Poll: color/colour
 
12:31 PM
I use colour unless I'm editing a post that doesn't
 
@DJMcMayhem :D
 
@LeakyNun color
 
[tag:tag:tag]
 
The ones on main are sharper cornered than they used to be (on all beta design sites). Has this just happened or am I very unobservant...?
 
12:33 PM
CMC: 3 -> "[tag:tag:tag]"; 0 -> "[]"
 
Thanks everyone for all the feedback. I considered simpler or more complex but in the end I went with the middle ground
 
@LeakyNun Neoscript {n|'[+(["tag"]*n):join(":")+']}
 
@trichoplax Make sure you post at a time where I can't steal all the languages
 
@LeakyNun :P
 
"tag"*3 return tagtagtag
 
12:39 PM
@TùxCräftîñg Can you do "tag:"*(n-1)+"tag"?
 
i get a typeerror ಠ_ಠ
 
Alright
 
oh nvm
it works
 
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Q: A distinctly random character

trichoplaxInput No input is taken. Output A single letter of the alphabet (case irrelevant), with an optional trailing newline. Each letter must have non-zero probability of being chosen, and all 26 probabilities must be distinct. Scoring This is code golf. Shortest code in bytes wins. Alphabet To ...

 
dont work for n=0
 
12:44 PM
@TùxCräftîñg oh, right
 
It takes over service host processes and is undeletable (it just extracts itself again from BIOS or downloads itself).
 
@mınxomaτ What if I delete the program responsible for the extraction?
 
@LeakyNun That's your BIOS.
 
you can flash the bios and reinstall it...
 
@TùxCräftîñg So? The code is included by the BIOS vendor.
 
12:53 PM
Open source BIOS?
 
@trichoplax hah
The solution is obviously not to use Windows.
 
and anyway what this rootkit do?
 
Watch the talk.
 
1 hour ಠ_ಠ
 
12:57 PM
@TùxCräftîñg That's usually the amount of time it takes for someone intelligent to explain complex security issues.
 
but i am on mobile connection
 
That's not my problem.
 
oh
i have already seen a article about this rootkit
They have to keep the adjacent rack units empty. Otherwise, half the entries in their /var/log/syslog are just 'SERVER BELOW TRYING TO START CONVERSATION *AGAIN*.' and 'WISH THEY'D STOP GIVING HIM SO MUCH COFFEE IT SPLATTERS EVERYWHERE.'
2
 
@trichoplax Well, predictions came true. So far there have been a couple deletions due to "Oh, distinct probabilities..." :D
 
@smartphone y u forget keep-alive
 
1:08 PM
Outgolfed the other python answer \o/
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A: A distinctly random character

DJMcMayhemPython 2, 58 bytes from random import* print chr(int(randint(4125,8100)**.5)) I'm on my phone, so a detailed explanation will come later

 
hydroelectricities
 
TIL posting xkcd === stars
 
^^ random long word for the day.
 
longest french word: anticonstitutionnellement
 
As a Canadian, I'm quite familiar with hyroelectricity
Usually electricity is just referred to as "hydro"
 
1:21 PM
@DJMcMayhem Windows Phone represent!
 
@TùxCräftîñg pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
@TùxCräftîñg Stars? Plural?
 
What about that protein whose name is 800 thousand letters long?
 
1:23 PM
@Rainbolt What's wrong with the plural?
 
I should know better than to talk about things that can change :(
I was prepared for someone to do that (I was going to undo my star), and then it wouldn't let me.
 
CMC: Implement StackSort
 
^ all 4 of these aren't called stack sort
 
@Fatalize The alt-text
 
it's the h?overtext
 
1:31 PM
@TimmyD Yeah :) I stopped worrying about too much bold in the wording once I saw those...
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

ArtOfCodeVerify a ballot triangle code-golf A ballot number, which we'll label B, is the number of ways of arranging the numbers from 1 through B(B+1)/2 into a triangle, such that each row and column of the triangle is in any increasing order. The first four ballot numbers are: a(0) = 1 a(1) = 1 a(2) =...

 
@TimmyD hahaha I thought there might be one person.
 
@BusinessCat Titin? It's like 200 thousand long, and that will need more than one multiline message.
 
Gee thanks Chrome
 
&lt;logic&gt;
 
1:35 PM
in Sandbox, Apr 20 at 15:14, by ProgramFOX
@manshu Use multiline messages. The limit there is huge. I don't know the exact number, but I recently heard about a message of 36000 lines that was allowed, so it's really large.
 
@DJMcMayhem I golf in PowerShell, and my $DAYJOB deals with Exchange. Of course I have a Windows phone. :D
 
@TimmyD Do you have Office 365?
With OneDrive?
 
@Rainbolt Looks legit.
 
@zyabin101 189k.
 
And Skype on top of Xbox and Sway?
 
1:37 PM
in Sandbox, 1 min ago, by ArtOfCode
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Oh, and also Microsoft SharePoint Server?
Nope? TimmyD?
 
@zyabin101 not forgetting SQL Server and ASP.NET.
 
@Rainbolt i don't get it
 
^^
 
@Poke Chrome let's me think I am looking at HTML when I am really looking at encoded HTML
And if you tell it "I really, really want to see the actual HTML" then it will finally let you
 
1:41 PM
if it was actual html then that element would have been highlighted differently
 
@Rainbolt Except it won't.
 
Or whatever you call the code that comes out. the "rendered html"
 
Hey downvoters on trichoplax's distinct character challenge -- A friendly reminder to please go back and adjust your vote on the answers that misread/misinterpreted the challenge and have since edited. Lots of 'em are new-ish users, so we should ensure they're getting a good experience.
5
 
@TimmyD Guilty... Fixed now :)
 
@Sherlock9 These are certainly above average=)
 
1:49 PM
Aw shucks. Thanks :D
@TimmyD I just checked that challenge and there's only one downvote left. Woot
 
Hmm, those two R answers are awfully similar, now that the one has been edited.
 
@TimmyD would have been nice to have linked the challenge in that message o.O
 

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