The Nineteenth Byte

flawr

12:01 AM

Survey: 1. What is your favourite english word? 2. What is your favourite german word? 3. What is your favourite knot?

El'endia Starman

Definitely not favourite. :P

2

flawr

So what else then?

Look at that cutie pie!!!

Geobits

1) the 2) die 3) unknot

@flawr A relative?

flawr

But the unknot isn't a knot!

Geobits

> Many useful practical knots are actually the unknot, including all knots which can be tied in the bight.

flawr

12:04 AM

knot != !knot

Mars Ultor

@Geobits Seriously? (for 1) and 2))

Maltysen

1) aforementioned 2) nein 3) that knot you do with your shoelaces

Geobits

@MarsUltor They're very useful if nothing else.

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Recompose a series of alternating binary sequences code-golf This is the inverse of Decompose binary into alternating subsequences. Let's take a sequence of positive integers in decimal, like 10 21 2 5 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 5 1 85 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 And convert each number to binary... 1010 10101 10 ...

flawr

@Maltysen If you already like nein, you should like doch even more!

That is one of the words i really miss in english.

El'endia Starman

12:05 AM

translate: doch

(from German) but

translate de: butt

(from English) Hintern

flawr

Well this translation is inaccurate

El'endia Starman

Missed opportunity for puns, ye Germans! :P

Geobits

Are you saying bing is wrong? :o

flawr

I say doch != but

El'endia Starman

Is it like a really emphatic "no"?

flawr

12:07 AM

A: *this is cool* B: *no it isn't* A: *yes it is*

A: *das ist cool* B: *nein ist es nicht* A: *doch ist es*

markdown-fail

Geobits

Oh, it's a noyes. nice.

That kinda makes sense for 'but'.

> but it is

flawr

In an argument it is really nice to have a word that is designed to object someone who is disagreeing with you.

Geobits

It's really rare that no or but doesn't work in actual conversation. In theory, we can make up all kinds of ambiguities.

flawr

But doch feels just so good compared to a simple yes or but

Geobits

See what I mean? You just used but for that purpose :P

flawr

12:12 AM

Not exactly=)

You couldn't replace that wich a doch

Geobits

Not exactly... but I like flexibility :)

flawr

You know it is like when you punch someone, he punches back hard, but you can still puch him again harder.

Geobits

If the only use of it is "you are incorrect, and my initial claim stands", then it sounds too narrow for my tastes.

flawr

Narrow in what sense?

As in highly specialised?

Geobits

Yes, that.

I like my words loose, for more wordplay opportunities.

flawr

12:16 AM

German ftw

^^

Geobits

Oh? I never really get German puns. I guess I just can notsee them.

flawr

But I have to admit, I really like the flexibility of some english words

Oh shit, I should have gone to bed.

Good night everyone.

haha, g'night!

night

N8

12:24 AM

@Geobits ಠ_ಠ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

night!

Quill

night

Geobits

@AlexA. It's not exactly the wurst pun I've ever made.

Quill

lol

Alex A.

I won't even acknowledge that with a response.

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

12:28 AM

XD

Geobits

@AlexA. That doesn't seem quite true...

Alex A.

Well, you know, no response other than that response. >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ and that one

Alex A.

And all future responses

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman's XOROR is pretty interesting (the one made with his name as a seed)

El'endia Starman

12:41 AM

cool :)

Mars Ultor

TIL the founder of Facebook's last name means sugar mountain

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

._.

El'endia Starman

Haha, now that you mention it, yes, I see "Zucker" which I learned was "sugar" in German.

That "berg" means "mountain" is not surprising.

Mars Ultor

like iceberg

El'endia Starman

yep

And ice is Eis in German, which sounds exactly the same.

Alex A.

12:45 AM

translate: zucker

(from German) sugar

Mars Ultor

I really wonder the phrases on Duolingo are so weird

Alex A.

translate: berg

(from German) mountains

Ah yes, Mark Sugarmountain.

tac

@Geobits ಠ_ಠ

Mars Ultor

mark means mars

El'endia Starman

@MarsUltor I think they're semi-randomly generated.

I've gotten the same sentence multiple times before, especially when doing practice.

tac

12:47 AM

duolingo?

El'endia Starman

yeah

tac

huh

Alex A.

translate: mark

(from English) mark

Nice work, Bing

El'endia Starman

translate de: Mars

(from French) März

tac

!bing

El'endia Starman

12:48 AM

???

tac

!!google

not Bing

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

tac

>>> bing is bad
True

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bai alex :(

tac

o no

Anonymous

1:00 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What are you using for that? The Mathematica solution?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego No, my own solution.

Mars Ultor

Which base chatbot should I use?

Anonymous

@MarsUltor SE-Chatbot

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Source? I'd like to play with it :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego :D

Anonymous

1:03 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Should I put it on github, or would a jsfiddle work for you?

Anonymous

Either works

Anonymous

A fiddle would be preferable, but I can make do with Github

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Cool. I'll do a fiddle

Anonymous

Python's unittest module is so nice

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:06 AM

jsfiddle.net/Conor_OBrien/cxuf2e75

Quill

@MarsUltor SO-ChatBot

Anonymous

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Which rule did you use?

Quill

Jon Skeet - hack.summit() 2016 by Pluralsight

►

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I just took your image and FFM'd it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:12 AM

@Mego FFM'd?

Anonymous

Flip It, Flop It, Mean It

Cyoce

And his name is Joooooon Skeet! daaa dada daaaaaaa. daa dada daaaa

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh!

Anonymous

The borders that are on some of the cells make funny things happen

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce Hi! Haven't seen you in a while

Anonymous

1:13 AM

What was the exact input you used for the El one?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I used a different rule

It's A | B ^ C

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you've never seen me. You have only seen my glorious text ¯\(ツ)/¯

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce Oh :P

Geobits

@Cyoce Well, you hope so anyway.

Cyoce

@Geobits ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ this week was the end of the quarter so I had a lot of shit due and homework and stuff

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:17 AM

@Cyoce Oh, I see.

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ -1 for your JS code looking like lisp and repeating the use of 650.0 and using .0 at the end of your numbers

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce I copied+pasted that from a java answer.

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ -1 for not clicking the tidy button.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce ?

Cyoce

Quill

1:20 AM

lol

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh well.

Cyoce

-1 for doing math in your code. 700.0 - 650.0

Quill

-1 for not taking it to Code Review

Anonymous

13 rep away from 7k :D

Anonymous

@Quill -1 for suggesting taking any of our code to CR

Quill

1:24 AM

> triggered

Anonymous

(just kidding, I'm probably going to post Seriously v2 there a few times throughout its development)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce I copied+pasted that from a java answer.

Quill

it's java? nasty

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ -1 for touching Java

Quill

what's the negative count on that now

Anonymous

1:26 AM

Like -500

Anonymous

+- 495

Cyoce

Once you touch Java, you are forever corrupted.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce Look at me, not giving a shit.

Cyoce

My friend used to write in Java

Now he writes his python mean function with two for loops

Quill

the only time I touch java is when I drink it

Anonymous

1:29 AM

@Cyoce Eww gross sum(n)/len(n)

Cyoce

@Cyoce EDIT: I forgot, he changed it. He now uses a while loop that pretends to be a Java for loop.

Anonymous

You need to teach him the magic of iterators

tac

@Mego true

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what... is this...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@tac My challenge.

Cyoce

def mean(someList): # his ugly code
    i = 0;
    acc = 0;
    while i < len(someList):
        acc += someList [i];
        i = i + 1;
    return acc;

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:32 AM

o_O

Quill

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

That's just mean

tac

@Quill switch(true) pls

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ¯\_( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ)_/¯

Quill

Thanks for giving me nightmares @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ

tac

1:32 AM

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

what type of shit are you guys spewing

Cyoce

Java

Shots fired

tac

@Cyoce I... I am lost... for words.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why do so many numbers end in .0?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@tac I didn't write the goddamn code.

tac

oh, sorry

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:35 AM

9 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce I copied+pasted that from a java answer.

Quill

ctrl+f & ctrl+r

tac

ah

Cyoce

@Quill CTRL? Eww coding on windows

Quill

i know right

that's like a cyber policeable offence

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Why do you guys persist in being self-righteous? It's not funny nor appealing, and makes you look obnoxious.

Quill

1:37 AM

I don't proclaim to have great code. most of what I write is shit ~~the first few revisions around.~~

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Because we should all strive for (clean)|(short) code

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego I was mostly talking about

3 mins ago, by Cyoce

@Quill CTRL? Eww coding on windows

Quill

oh

Anonymous

Oh yeah that's a bit ridiculous

Anonymous

If it works, it works

Anonymous

1:39 AM

(as far as OSes go)

Quill

yeah.... I spent most of high school getting shit from people about using a mac

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm guilty about doing (^) but I'm trying to stop.

Quill

from people who don't even use anything that's specific. strange world we live in

I wonder whether people just want to feel superior to other people.

Anonymous

You have to also recognize that admitting to doing literally anything on the internet will cause jokes to be made and lulz to be had, and it's usually not meant to be mean

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Solution: they do. ^^

Quill

1:41 AM

there was a great article about this kinda thing in relation to PHP a while ago

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Definition of (high|middle) school.

Anonymous

I make fun of people who use computers. #AmishLife

Cyoce

4

A: Who said that? 2016 Presidential election

JavaScript, ~18.6% 6 This outputs Hillary for all inputs. This is because Hillary said the most. While it's not the most ingenious way to do this. It works ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

how does this work? JS doesn't have implicit output AFAIK

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

REPL environment

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

How did you insta-edit?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:54 AM

I have high rep.

Cyoce

But doesn't he have higher rep?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

No, I have more rep than a set amount which enables me to insta-edit

Helka Homba

@Cyoce codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/edit

Cyoce

I'd like to see languagedesign.SE

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ ish

tac

2:11 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ or linux on a PC...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@tac Or mac.

That covers everything.

tac

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ or BSD, or Solaris, or pure Unix, or...

I don't even know what we're on about omg

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Mama Fun Roll

2:44 AM

github.com/molarmanful/nestack-lang

I made a new language!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/

Dennis

@Liam I had missed a rather obvious improvement to the Phi function, which halves the space required to store the same number of precomputed values. My latest revision should be roughly 15% faster.

Liam

Okay, I'll run it when I get back home

Dennis

No hurry.

I'm curious though how it will do. I've seen that your processor's L2 cache is huge. That would explain why it doesn't seem to be idle, despite the slower RAM.

Quill

3:02 AM

@MamaFunRoll the code behind this wow.

github.com/molarmanful/nestack-lang/blob/master/nestack.js

New Main Posts

3:21 AM

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Q: Unity C# player booster

So, I'm quite new to coding and such. Basically in Unity I'm just dicking around and I decided to make a sort of a jumppad, or boostpad. It does nothing, no error no functionality. If someone could explain in layman's terms whats wrong with my code it would be appreciated. using UnityEngine; u...

c#

Maltysen

@mods can i haz closehammer plz

Mars Ultor

vtc

Aqua Tart

Probably someone should make a personalized comment saying they'll have more luck on game development SE

still cannot comment on mobile

El'endia Starman

@Maltysen Denied! :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1

A: Is there any word in English where "th" sounds like "t+h"?

Another example: Thom Yorke, the singer for Radiohead, pronounces his name "Tom".

ಠ_ಠ

In other news, I'm sick and need to go to bed. Bai!

Mama Fun Roll

3:48 AM

@Quill I know, it's quite beautiful.

Mama Fun Roll

4:01 AM

Anyway, anyone have suggestions for functions Nestack might need?

Make sure it's absolutely necessary. Nestack isn't a code-golfing language.

Anonymous

Gah, I've been debugging this Python code for hours and just now realized I made the #1 noob mistake: I used [] as an optional parameter's default value

Anonymous

Guess what my tests work now that I fixed it

Anonymous

>_<

El'endia Starman

...how is that the #1 noob mistake?

Dennis

That's nothing. I spent an hour debugging C code a few days ago because I forgot to initialize a variable...

Anonymous

4:10 AM

@El'endiaStarman Default parameters are initialized exactly once: at module loading. So if you have something like def foo(a=[]):print(a), the first time you call foo(), you get []. Then, if you call foo([1]), you get [1]. But if you then call foo() again, you get [1] again.

El'endia Starman

ohhhh

That's not really a noob mistake.

Anonymous

Err, actually it should be something like def foo(a=[]):a.append(1);print(a)

Anonymous

It's a gotcha that gets newbie programmers who have just learned about default parameters

Anonymous

ideone.com/C849o5

El'endia Starman

I guess I'm really fortunate that I've never encountered that particular gotcha. At least, not that I can think of.

Anonymous

4:12 AM

I never noticed that I had written it like that because this function normally gets called exactly once each time the program executes

Anonymous

But once I started making more robust unit tests, it reared its ugly head

Anonymous

4:33 AM

The lesson here is to write unit tests sooner rather than later

Optimizer

is there a unit test for that?

feersum

Seriously?

Optimizer

Seriously is the unit test? I thought it was a language

Anonymous

Seriously is love, Seriously is life

feersum

I mean, is the test for Seriously

Anonymous

4:44 AM

Yeah

Anonymous

I'm writing unit tests and setting up continuous integration and stuff

El'endia Starman

~~Oh really?~~ Seriously? :P

Anonymous

Making it look more like a real project

Anonymous

5:19 AM

I just posted the single greatest challenge ever to the sandbox

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Igpā Atinlā (Pig Latin) This is code-golf. In this challenge, we will be translating strings of words to Pig Latin. Input: A string of words (a "word" is a contiguous group of the characters A-Za-z). Output: The translated version of the input. Translations described below. Some Definitions:...

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The puppy command The puppy utility takes a filename as input, and does exactly what you would expect a puppy to do: it shreds it! How to shred Rip out the pages with your teeth Split the input file on newlines. Tear up each page with your paws For each line (not including the linefeed), pi...

Mars Ultor

5:33 AM

needs help on getting socks to 20 rep

Anonymous

FGITW harder

Alex A.

@MarsUltor What's the sock account for?

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. Chatbot

tac

5:53 AM

@Mego -1 because my language isn't Java enough to write to files and therefore your challenge is favouring an Javalanguage over another

Anonymous

What?

Alex A.

Yeah, I agree. What?

Anonymous

If you're trying to incite an argument, that's probably not wise

feersum

Arguments are fun!

Anonymous

I'm going back to writing unit tests

Anonymous

5:57 AM

Unit tests are fun

tac

@Mego no, just poking fun

Anonymous

That's still probably not wise

tac

k

Mars Ultor

First I was thinking "huh, what is a duck?". Luckily you have provided a link to the wikipedia page. — A and N Feb 25 at 22:52

Anonymous

It did not seem like jest

Alex A.

6:01 AM

I thought it was in jest because it made no sense

Anonymous

It seemed like he was making a strawman attack against Vihan

Anonymous

@AlexA. I took your suggestion; mind cleaning up the comments?

Alex A.

Sure give me just a sec

All of the comments but feersum's most recent one have been purged.

Doorknob

-1, not shredded puppy-style

Alex A.

Doorknob

6:10 AM

+2, surprisingly relevant

Alex A.

I can't decide whether I prefer that one or this one:

Anonymous

@AlexA. Thanks bae <3

Alex A.

I don't know what bae is but you're welcome :P

Doorknob

@AlexA. O_o why are there multiple versions of this... this thing

Alex A.

s/thing/meme/

Anonymous

6:13 AM

Bird Ally (for)Ever

Doorknob

@AlexA. wow I never knew this existed

Alex A.

Chatgoat really means it

46 secs ago, 10 seconds total – 3 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by Vihan

Maltysen

hahahaha

Alex A.

6:51 AM

@Doorknob Vim question for you. What does au FileType python setl sw=2 sts=2 et do?

Anonymous

Feels good:

Anonymous

travis-ci.org/Mego/Seriously

Alex A.

FuckYeahContinuousIntegration

Anonymous

Fun fact: those failed builds were all because I was using a feature in the unit tests that wasn't added until 3.4

Anonymous

So I had to hack around it

Alex A.

6:53 AM

@Mego That has your full name on it >_>

Anonymous

Why is GitHub still doing that?

feersum

CI for a Python program?

What does it even do

Alex A.

Builds and runs tests

feersum

"Builds"?

Alex A.

Eh, poor choice of words.

You know what I mean.

feersum

6:56 AM

No really

There's nothing to build with Python.

Anonymous

It builds a C extension module :P

Alex A.

Really?

Anonymous

Yep

Anonymous

pyshoco is a thin wrapper around the shoco C library

Alex A.

I'm not familiar with shoco

Anonymous

6:58 AM

ASCII text compression library

Anonymous

github.com/Ed-von-Schleck/shoco

Anonymous

Neat, Seriously v2 works in pypy3

Anonymous

I was expecting a catastrophic error

Chatgoat really means it

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