The Nineteenth Byte

4:00 PM

@Xanderhall I think default arguments are long overdue, especially because they can be completely implemented in the compiler..

Rainbolt

@Geobits I learned how to tactfully close things as a duplicate from Stack Exchange. Create a user story that has better presentation (better words, better title, more references), wait a week, and then close the bug as a duplicate of the story.

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Adowrath

And contravariant argument types. ._.

Rainbolt

Similar to how some sites make canonical questions and then close stuff as a dupe of it

Xanderhall

@Adowrath Hmm?

@Geobits so, what's the solution to lambdas? Do you think they should be banned?

Kritixi Lithos

Ban 'em

Adowrath

4:05 PM

@Xanderhall Default arguments would drastically reduce the amount of boilerplate for functions.. in one case where I had to "support" registering a Block (yep, Minecraft modding) with a *required* block, an *optional* ItemBlock, an *optional* name, an *optional* metadata, and an *optional* model name. Each of them can be either taken from a default or calculated based upon the others.

Ended up with 18 methods.

Geobits

@Xanderhall My personal solution so far has just been to not use them. I don't complain when others do, but it just feels too shady for me.

Xanderhall

@KritixiLithos What's your argument for banning them?

Geobits

Plus, it always gives me a nice feeling when I beat lambdas by using a full function declaration ;)

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ :D \o/ #VOTEGOAT

Xanderhall

@Geobits Should that technically be possible? Seeing as a user can almost always just copypaste your answer into a lambda?

Lembik

4:07 PM

@Dennis It's a bug in Intel's handling of OpenMP reduction on __int128 type variables apparently

Kritixi Lithos

@Xanderhall they don't work on their own, you need extra stuff for them to work

Geobits

Sure, but if the only way to beat me is copying my code and lambdifying it... I still see that as a win.

Xanderhall

@KritixiLithos What about anonymous functions?

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat I vote for you, let's have our first Goat President!

Geobits

It's just like every now and then someone will paste a complete program in a golf that allows functions. I wouldn't just copy their code into a function and say I "beat" them.

Kritixi Lithos

4:09 PM

@Xanderhall I personally hate anonymous functions too since they have to be named in order to call them. You can't just use them like named functions.

Xanderhall

@KritixiLithos But you can use them anywhere you can use a function.

TimmyD

> lambdifying

Kritixi Lithos

b=>return b*b You can't use this as it is, you have to have a=b=>return b*b in order to call the function. Even though it is only 2 bytes of difference, it is still annoying, IMO

Xanderhall

@KritixiLithos but if you had another function that took a function, you could either use a named function or an anonymous function.

Geobits

@TimmyD Yep. Defying the lamb.

Kritixi Lithos

4:12 PM

lambdas --> lamb --> sheep --> goat --> Goat for President

Gabriel Benamy

moo

Downgoat

I like the way this conversation is going

So do we think Java should have lamb or sheep in JDK 9

Dennis

@Lembik No clue. I haven't used icc in ages.

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat Forget lambs and sheep, let's have gaots

Geobits

public class Gaot{boolean hasSoul(){return false;}}

That's the whole thing.

Dennis

4:14 PM

@betseg Fixedthanks.

Downgoat

@Geobits :O you said evil word!11!!!11! brb reporting for blasphemy :P

public class Goat { public boolean hasSoul() { return true; } }

FTFY

you should havew access modifier on methods

betseg

@Dennis lol

Poke

@Downgoat what if i want a method to be package private

Geobits

@Downgoat Only if you don't know what the defaults are or want to change them.

Kritixi Lithos

Maybe Goat will be the new Graphics for Java

betseg

4:17 PM

struct Animal Gaot; Gaot.hasSoul = false;

I like C

Downgoat

@Poke then you are eivl and gettig 0 on assignment

Poke

:[

TuxCopter

Goat g = new Goat();
g.baaa(); // Initialize the window
g.bleeeeep(640, 480); // Size
g.bleep(20, 20, 100, 100); // Draw rectangle

Downgoat

Misspelling unintentional

Kritixi Lithos

class Gaot{boolean hasSoul; public Gaot(boolean _hasSoul){hasSoul = _hasSoul;hasSoul = false;}}

New Meta Posts

4:19 PM

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Q: Tag Sandbox-test your tag

Tags The sandbox has been a huge success on this site. It allows everyone to decide if a question will add content to the site. Tags are another thing that many users create. Should there be a tag sandbox? I think that it will help users to only create tags that people will use. Using the tag ...

Geobits

@KritixiLithos ...

Downgoat

@TuxCopter goats do not bleep .__.

TuxCopter

but it's a computer so robogoat

Kritixi Lithos

@TuxCopter Goatier version of Processing. Maybe Goat will be Processing 4.0, or Processing for Android will be renamed to Goat

Geobits

Why are you assigning hasSoul twice like that?

Downgoat

4:20 PM

@TuxCopter ok fair

Kritixi Lithos

Because the Gaot's hasSoul bool depends on _hasSoul

Geobits

But then you set it to false?

Kritixi Lithos

hee hee

Downgoat

Hassoul will have default value of false anyway

Poke

your input doesn't matter

you get no soul

have a good day

Geobits

4:22 PM

class Gaot{boolean hasSoul=false;}

There

TuxCopter

class Gaot{boolean hasSoul = null;}

Fixed

Downgoat

-1 all field should be declared private or else youre evil

Geobits

@TuxCopter Did you though?

TuxCopter

?

Poke

class Gaot{public static boolean HAS_SOUL=false;}

Geobits

4:22 PM

@Downgoat That's a really terrible way of doing things.

Poke

@TuxCopter if by fixed you mean compilation error

TuxCopter

@Poke -1 you forgot the serial version UID

Yodle

private class Gaot extends Evil

Poke

@TuxCopter it doesn't implement Serializable

TuxCopter

@Poke -1 you contradicted me

Poke

4:24 PM

:D

Kritixi Lithos

class Goat extends Thread implements Runnable { ... }

Downgoat

@Geobits idk what you're talking about CS teacher told me you should do it that way :P

Goats run

-∞

Nah we climb more

4:24 PM

~~Runnable~~ Edible

TuxCopter

class Geobits extends Evil implements Downvote { ... }

Geobits

I may implement Downvote, but I don't extend Evil. They're separate classes for a reason.

Kritixi Lithos

@TuxCopter class Downvote extends Geobits more like it

Downgoat

@Geobits ... why—

@TuxCopter i think evil and downvotes should be reversed

Geobits

@Downgoat Look, I can't help it that goats are tasty. They just are.

TuxCopter

4:26 PM

class Geobits extends Hate<Goat> { ... }

Downgoat

@Geobits Well I mean userscript makes Downvote into Downgoat so you're really eating yourself :P

Geobits

@TuxCopter I don't hate goats! I love them. In curry mainly, but also in other dishes.

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TuxCopter

ಠ_ಠ

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits You make my stomach growl for goat :P

Geobits

@Downgoat You see what you want to see I guess ;)

Downgoat

4:28 PM

You should not be talking about your potential future president like this >:|

TuxCopter

Goat president!

Kritixi Lithos

First edible president!

Downgoat

surely electorate will #VoteGoat

TuxCopter

@KritixiLithos ಠ_ಠ

Geobits

@Downgoat You have to be 35 to become president. That's a stretch for a goat.

seequ

4:35 PM

35 in goat years is like 2 :P

mınxomaτ

Nov 29 at 15:25, by mınxomaτ

I wanted to see how bad it really is. Apparently it's like 4chan, but in a twitter-like framework.

So, I got my invitation and yes, it's one of the worst Trump circlejerks ever.

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New Main Posts

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Q: Print an alphabet circle

Challenge In the language of your choice, print out the following exact text: Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Z Z Z ...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat #goat2020

mınxomaτ

> Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

Yep, that's how I feel about alphabet challenges by now.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I think somebody is serial voting me? I've got like 50 rep from old, old answers in the last day

like from jan 2015, just a normal julia answer

Kritixi Lithos

4:39 PM

Goat is bribing you @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

nah, i'm his campaign manager

I started this campaign

seequ

So, paying your salary.

Kritixi Lithos

Capracracy: rule by goats

seequ

"Were you looking for sex?"

Geobits

> Goat is the lunch that carries itself to the picnic.

quartata

4:42 PM

burn

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat pls no come there is roasted goat here

Kritixi Lithos

Goat is walking food

seequ

Humans are walking food.

mınxomaτ

@seequ Yes, some humans walk their goat.

seequ

Yup.

Downgoat

4:54 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ono :'''''(

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ :D thank you for working on zero salary

quartata

@Downgoat do you keep modifying tf2goat locally

Downgoat

I don't even pull tf2goat what makes you think id bother to modify it

quartata

because it can't pull all of a sudden even though it was working previously

Downgoat

maybe you all ate it at that oh so wonderful picnic of yours

quartata

Hey, I've sworn off goat

It's too pricey for one

Downgoat

4:56 PM

Did you add merge strategy

quartata

No it shouldn't be necessary

Of course even if I did I couldn't then pull that commit

Downgoat

Are you merging or rebasingn

quartata

Merging

Downgoat

Try rebase

quartata

I do think I need to add -m though for when it tries to auto merge

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:58 PM

@Downgoat welcome

Downgoat

Merge strategy + -m means never fail

quartata

pull already has -s recursive by default

Downgoat

No i mean -Xtheirs

quartata

@Downgoat You said you had Git 2.0 right?

I added -X theirs --no-edit which should resolve everything

Gabriel Benamy

I'm not even sure whether or not the answer I posted is within the spirit of the challenge

TuxCopter

5:11 PM

@GabrielBenamy What answer?

Gabriel Benamy

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A: Nostalgic prime number generator

Perl, 80 bytes $_=($a)=`lscpu`=~/MHz:\s+(\d+)/;while(++$_){say if(1x$_)!~/^(11+?)\1+$/;sleep$a} Runs the command lscpu and finds the CPU speed in MHz. The faster the CPU, the more time it sleeps between outputs, 1 second for every 1 MHz. Runs on Ubuntu 14.04.5. On my particular machine, thi...

Dada

@GabrielBenamy seems fine to me. the bigger the number, the slower it will get (cause the regex sucks), and the faster the computer, the slower it will be...

oh actually, it doesn't need to get slower as number gets bigger (I thought I read that, but I don't find it now, so my bad), but anyway it's fine I think

Gabriel Benamy

but is "50 minutes" vs "51 minutes" really a human perceivable difference?

Geobits

Huh. I hadn't even noticed it was reopened.

Gabriel Benamy

[checks watch] "yeah it should be done testing the number 5 around now"

[sleeps for the night and wakes up to find it has printed 7 and 11] yeah that seems about right

Dada

5:16 PM

z:\s+ should be enough @GabrielBenamy (I mean the MH are probably redundant since no other information ends with a z)

Gabriel Benamy

Oh hey, thanks

Dada

I'm working on the challenge "Subsequence Substitution" btw Gabriel, I'm at 65 bytes for now ;)

Gabriel Benamy

hehe, nice. I just threw something together because there wasn't a Perl answer yet

oh my god the customers I'm on the phone with are dumb as a bag of rocks, this is so frustrating

Kritixi Lithos

Define dumb. How dumb?

Gabriel Benamy

"okay so I click the settings wheel and I change the things that I want, but now that gets rid of the old view? where did my view go?"

betseg

5:32 PM

You will either love or hate r/talesfromtechsupport

Gabriel Benamy

"you changed it"

[30 seconds later, the same conversation ensues]

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@betseg or get freaking addicted

Anonymous

5:50 PM

@RosLuP Please stop spewing your incoherent streams of consciousness on meta

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mbomb007

Should we create a meta post about the WinterBash 2016 hats and stuff? Similar to this

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Really? Just because their English isn't perfect we need to make sure they never post on Meta again? Seems a little rude to me

Anonymous

@mbomb007 I really don't think that's necessary on any site (except maybe Meta.SE)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem no, but what he's saying isn't at all related to the discussion (in the most recent case)

he said something about O(n) answers are not allowed to be 1 byte shorter than O(2n) answers or something

in an answer to the "definite policy on duplicate answers" meta post

DJMcMayhem

Yeah I saw it.

mbomb007

5:56 PM

@DJMcMayhem Is it really so hard to figure out what is/is not allowed according to consensus? Or how to post? Many of his questions/answers are basically complaining or attempting to game the system.

Kritixi Lithos

What is O(n)?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

it's a complexity notation

mbomb007

@KritixiLithos big oh

quartata

Big O notation

Big O notation is a mathematical notation that describes the limiting behavior of a function when the argument tends towards a particular value or infinity. It is a member of a family of notations invented by Paul Bachmann, Edmund Landau, and others, collectively called Bachmann–Landau notation or asymptotic notation. In computer science, big O notation is used to classify algorithms by how they respond to changes in input size, such as how the processing time of an algorithm changes as the problem size becomes extremely large. In analytic number theory it is used to estimate the "error committed...

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem That's not at all what I'm saying. All of their recent posts have been incoherent babbling. It can't be explained by using a non-native language - there is literally no organized train of thought in any of the posts. I didn't say "please never post on Meta again" - I said "please stop spewing your incoherent streams of consciousness on meta". Posting things that actually are coherent thoughts would be fine.

mbomb007

5:56 PM

@KritixiLithos Beginner's Guide to Big-O

It's something you learn about in a Data Structures computer science class.

Or certain math classes.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I think he's saying in that answer "everybody must use the same O(n) formula for every answer, therefore duplicate answers don't matter"?

Anonymous

A coherent thought in a language one isn't comfortable with will have some grammatical and spelling mistakes, but will still be comprehensible. The posts that user is making look like they were generated via Markov chains.

mbomb007

@Mego We need to find out what his native language is, then we can ask him to use Google Translate and verify the output is coherent.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits....

/s

Xanderhall

@Mego Holy crap, I'm reading through RosLuP's questions now

And man, are they bad

mbomb007

5:59 PM

@Xanderhall He has lots of deleted answers as well, but you may not be able to see them.

Kritixi Lithos

@mbomb007 Thanks, that helps me understand it. I don't take (and have never taken) Computer Science class in high school

mbomb007

@KritixiLithos Yeah, big-oh is a college-level thing.

quartata

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Q: Why aren't answers ordered by byte count for code golf challenges?

If the shortest code wins, at least when there is the code-golf tag, why is the list ordered using votes and not code size?

discussion answers

Kritixi Lithos

Oh

quartata

This doesn't seem incoherent to me

Xanderhall

6:00 PM

@mbomb007 I don't have enough Rep, I think

@quartata Check the edit history

DJMcMayhem

Come on. They're not a troll, just bad at expressing themselves. Surely there's a more constructive way to point that out then "You're babbling, please leave"

quartata

I mean more the content.

mbomb007

@KritixiLithos Mostly because the maths that actually defines what computation class something is, is a bit confusing/difficult.

quartata

Who gives a shit about the grammar, the question was fine

Dada

I agree that this question was fine. But he posted a lot of other questions that weren't

mbomb007

6:02 PM

@quartata You found one good one. There are lots of bad ones.

Kritixi Lithos

@mbomb007 That site made it a bit easier to understand the concept for me

quartata

It shows at least good intent, no?

mbomb007

@KritixiLithos If you look at the Wikipedia link, you'll see the "college-level math" associated with the concept.

quartata

Who cares if some of his posts are nitpicky or unpopular opinions, that's what Meta is about

Xanderhall

I didn't think big-oh was that difficult of a concept.

quartata

6:04 PM

that doesn't mean we should then bad mouth him from the ivory tower of chat

DJMcMayhem

Exactly

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Futurama Schrödinger chase

►

Xanderhall

@quartata In a community of fairly well-spoken individuals, poorly-spoken individuals are rarely given the time of day, regardless of opinion.

That's my experience

mbomb007

@Xanderhall Do you know that O(n^2 + n) == O(n^2)?

Xanderhall

@mbomb007 I didn't, but it as much sense as O(n) == O(2n)

mbomb007

6:07 PM

@Xanderhall There's more math to it than just how much a loop runs or something. Wikipedia has the math on there. There's probably a mathworld link...

mathworld.wolfram.com/Big-ONotation.html

It has the mathematical definition.

Honestly, I personally need to look at the process of the calculation happening in order to understand it. I can't look at the formula and grasp it easily.

DJMcMayhem

@Xanderhall this particular community has a primary policy of be nice.

Xanderhall

@mbomb007 I haven't touched it in a complex level

DJMcMayhem

Until they show bad intent, they're as welcome on Meta as you, me or any of the mods

Xanderhall

"If you don't have time to say something politely, just leave it for someone who does."

@mbomb007 I just meant that I didn't think understanding basic time complexity was that difficult

quartata

@Xanderhall That doesn't mean we should then compare them to Markov chains

TimmyD

6:14 PM

Besides Visualise Bit Weaving have we had any other code-golf challenges where the output is not fixed but still explicitly defined?

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Once again, I didn't say that. I said "you're babbling, please stop"

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Appending String Lengths Challenge: Given a string s, append the length of s to itself, counting the additional character(s) in the length as part of the total length of s. Input: Just a string of arbitrary length (can be empty). Output: The same string, but with its length appended to the ...

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Sure, but the tone (to me) reads as "You are not welcome here"

Anonymous

Really? That's not at all what was meant, and I think that reflects more on you.

quartata

> spewing your incoherent streams of consciousness on meta

Poke

6:20 PM

that's exactly what he's doing, though >.>

quartata

I don't see how this is supposed to be read any other way. I mean, "spewing."

Poke

go read some of his posts

it's basically "here's my opinion and i won't change my mind"

/thread

Yodle

You're entitled to your own opinions man

quartata

So? Just downvote them if they bother you. They aren't really disruptive, and all of them are legitimate questions or opinions (just poorly phrased)

Poke

yeah but it's not a reason to post a question on meta

Yodle

6:21 PM

That doesn't mean we want to hear about it constantly though.

Anonymous

@Poke Also don't forget "you're doing it wrong and here's a bunch of words that don't have anything to do with the problem at hand"

Anonymous

@quartata If they were legitimate, they wouldn't be closed/deleted

quartata

Bottom line is: regardless of what the person is doing, going into chat and comparing them to a Markov chain is rude.

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@Mego Closing as a duplicate doesn't mean the question was bad.

Anonymous

@quartata Closing it as unclear does

Anonymous

@quartata What is it with you people and misrepresenting what I said? That's way ruder than what I actually said.

Poke

6:23 PM

here's the map in my mind:
spewing - he has like 3 different posts all on the same topic of anonymous functions
incoherent - his sentence structure and general flow of speech could be better. he may not speak english as his first language but even google translate would do a better job
streams of consciousness - the guy is just posting his opinions without even attempting to open a discussion.

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DJMcMayhem

meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/10504/…

Anonymous

I never said that person was a Markov chain. I said their posts look like they were generated through Markov chains.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Not everyone is fluent in English. A little more patience and a little more respect for those who are not first language English speakers would be nice here.

Anonymous

27 mins ago, by Mego

@DJMcMayhem That's not at all what I'm saying. All of their recent posts have been incoherent babbling. It can't be explained by using a non-native language - there is literally no organized train of thought in any of the posts. I didn't say "please never post on Meta again" - I said "please stop spewing your incoherent streams of consciousness on meta". Posting things that actually are coherent thoughts would be fine.

Anonymous

Can you people please actually read what I said? Maybe? Just a little bit?

Anonymous

6:25 PM

At this point you're putting less effort into reading what I said than the user in question appears to put into their meta posts.

Gabriel Benamy

what rep do I need to be able to see these deleted posts

quartata

@Mego Wow, earthshattering difference.

DJMcMayhem

2k

Yodle

@GabrielBenamy I was about to say, I can't see them either ._.

Gabriel Benamy

quick someone upvote me 17 more times

Anonymous

6:25 PM

@quartata It actually is. I never directly attacked the user, like you were insinuating.

quartata

You're still saying that their thoughts are random, when in fact most of their thoughts appear to be legitimate just hard to read

Sherlock9

@quartata It's rude to the person and it's rude to Markov chains

quartata

They've shown at minimum an legitimate interest in site policy: they aren't just spewing random thoughts

Gabriel Benamy

This user needs 191 more reputation to be able to form an opinion

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Anonymous

Sherlock9

6:27 PM

At any rate, the policy is be nice and fail-helpful not fail-judgy

DJMcMayhem

^ that's really all I'm trying to say

Anonymous

And I'm of the opinion that, when there's a problem, and the user hasn't caught on from softer nudges, a more blunt approach is needed.

quartata

@Mego Link to the question?

Anonymous

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Q: Definite policy about duplicate answers

Every now and then, we get an answer flag the declares an answer a duplicate of another. So far, I haven't really acted on them – except for leaving a comment if the flagger hadn't done so already – since we don't have an official policy regarding duplicate answers. This discussion has two parts...

discussion policy answers duplicates

Sherlock9

"The problem isn't duplicate answers to a question. More than 50% of solutions follow, in practice, the same algorithm. The problem I see is if someone only write some [solution that turns an O(n) problem into an O(2^n) problem]"

quartata

6:31 PM

That's a coherent opinion, although it's misunderstanding what we meant by duplicate answer

ninja'd

James Holderness

I'd like to believe he is a fledgling AI, and in the coming robot revolution, all of you who downvoted and deleted his questions will be crushed without mercy.

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Gabriel Benamy

@JamesHolderness I have no idea who you are or where you came from, but I like your style.

Yodle

@JamesHolderness /me quietly goes and upvotes all his questions

DJMcMayhem

@Sherlock9 what does the second half of that mean?

Poke

I'd just like to point out that we were saying it's not nice to compare one's speech to the output of a Markov chain but we upvoted calling the guy a fledgling AI. What is consistency?

Kritixi Lithos

6:37 PM

What is Markov?

Flp.Tkc

Mbomb's retina answer really needs some upvotes ;)

Yodle

@KritixiLithos Copycat of the rapper 2 chainz

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Flatten my terrain Introduction Recently I bought a rough terrain where I want to build my small house. I have no money so I need to flatten it myself with a good shovel. I don't want to buy new soil to fill the empty parts, and I don't want to pay a truck to bring the extra soil away... Task ...

Sherlock9

@DJMcMayhem My guess is that they don't like unnecessarily lengthening the time needed to run the code.

Geobits

Well, this conversation went just as I predicted. Very productive so far. Please, continue.

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Sherlock9

6:40 PM

@Poke One version is a joke, and the other is outright mockery

Yodle

@Geobits Maybe this entire conversation was generated using Markov chain.

Sherlock9

Or perhaps one is an observation meant to be humorous, and the other was defamation of character

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits Only after reading this I realise that I should get back to work...

TimmyD

Dec 1 at 18:39, by TimmyD

Y'all talk a lot.

Poke

@Sherlock9 that's not objective

Sherlock9

6:44 PM

Nope

Geobits

Most puny human speech isn't. I like it that way.

Kritixi Lithos

"Puny human"? Are you a robot?

Yodle

| chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/33180525#33180525

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 sigh

Yodle

@TimmyD Grr, how do you quote like that?

RosLuP

6:47 PM

@loading said"I think he's saying in that answer "everybody must use the same O(n) formula for every answer, therefore duplicate answers don't matter"?" I say, that one problem O(1) or O(n) is not good to resolve in code use one algo exponential O(2^n) only for some characters less . I know I'm against this site laws that privilege code size on all the remain , big O and logic too

And error detection too

Sherlock9

@Mego Sorry dude

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 You know, when I typed that message, I was meaning "the user could've typed a few words into a Markov chain generator and gotten a similar result", not "the user is no better than a Markov chain generator". But nooo, you people always have to assume the worst.

Xanderhall

@RosLuP I don't understand what you're asking. Are you saying you don't like the structure of answers because they don't deal with certain things?

TimmyD

@Yodle Just the link. It's a onebox.

Anonymous

@RosLuP I've read this 5 times and I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to say.

Xanderhall

6:49 PM

Like error detection?

Gabriel Benamy

oh no

Yodle

@TimmyD Ah thanks, can't edit it anymore though. Ah well.

Poke

@RosLuP You're allowed to use a less efficient algorithm for the purpose of golfing, if that's what you're saying

Anonymous

But I think, fundamentally, you're looking for things in competitions that this site doesn't require. PPCG may not be the best site for the kind of competitions you're looking for.

Anonymous

And now everyone is going to interpret that as me saying "get out", which I'm not

Dennis

6:50 PM

@Mego Really? He means answer to code golf competitions should be efficient, not use exponential time algorithms when efficient ones exist.

Xanderhall

@Dennis But isn't time complexity of code-golf challenges irrelevant?

Dennis

It is.

Xanderhall

That was my impression.

Anonymous

@Dennis I don't know how you got that from the message. I guess I need to upgrade my natural language interpretation module.

Sherlock9

@Mego Alright, allow me to revise my statement. A lot of the conversation on coherence was mean. Your comment about Markov chains in particular was not. But in the interest of a quality chat, can we be nice?

Dada

6:51 PM

@Xanderhall of course it is, but RosLuP either didn't understand or thinks it shouldn't be

Xanderhall

@RosLuP if you want challenges with the best running time, it's fastest-code

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Sure. You and quartata and DJ can start by not blatantly misrepresenting what I said.

Sherlock9

Got it

Anonymous

Because saying "user X said Y" when really they said Z, and user X is right here, is pretty damn rude.

Geobits

@Mego "You people"? What do you mean by you people? /me grabs brass knuckles

Dennis

6:53 PM

Can we all just drop this topic? Please?

Anonymous

@Geobits installs chainsaws as arms come at me bro

Sherlock9

Sorry Mego

Poke

must resist continuing textual debate

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 It's ok. You're still an alright guy. I got frustrated.

Poke

so in other news (sorry if someone mentioned this already), TIME magazine named Trump person of the year or whatever

Sherlock9

6:55 PM

Okay thank you :)

Poke

thoughts?

Sherlock9

Thoughts: Not now

Poke

time.com/time-person-of-the-year-2016-donald-trump-choice

Geobits

Oh, politics. Much less contentious topic >_>

Poke

it's not politics unless you make it about politics

he's still a person

Dennis

6:55 PM

Yay, we're moving from one unconstructive topic to the next.

Sherlock9

I'm still recovering emotionally from accidentally insulting a good friend at 2 in the morning

Let's discuss something else

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Try whiskey :P

Anonymous

Yeah I vote nay on politics. Oh, crap, more politics.

quartata

@Mego sorry. I knew that probably wasn't what you wanted to impart

Sherlock9

No store that sells liquor is open here at 2 am

quartata

6:56 PM

@Geobits Oh, absolutely.

Poke

:|

James Holderness

@Sherlock9 You need to move.

Poke

fine then

Dennis

@Sherlock9 That seems like a bad business model.

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 You're a college student. It's expected that you have a constant supply.

Sherlock9

6:57 PM

Muslim-majority countries aren't so interested in selling alcohol in the morning

Anonymous

Oh, right

Anonymous

That

Geobits

@Poke A few years ago, I would agree. It's hard to talk about him now without politics, especially in that context, since he was only "influential" this year (thus being named by Time) because of politics.

Sherlock9

And the import taxes make obtaining alcohol pretty nuts when you're a broke college student

Anonymous

Living in a predominantly-Muslim country would make obtaining alcohol difficult :P

quartata

6:58 PM

Doesn't Time do this for all the president elects anyways?

Anonymous

@quartata They certainly did in 2006

Geobits

Don't feel bad. Lots of places in the southern US don't sell liquor in the early morning either.

Sherlock9

Right. Not Muslim, but Muslim-majority

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