The Nineteenth Byte

I should just upgrade to 15

Quipus again codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/67603/…

@AlexA. I usually don't get tired. I'll just stay awake and go to bed today at 10pm or so.

._.

MMMMMM

5:43 AM

@Sherlock9 We usually allow trailing newlines, since they are quite difficult (or even impossible) to eliminate in some languages. It is quite painful in Python 2.

Oh hallelujah

(that's coffee liqueur being poured over cupcakes but it looks like toxic waste)

@Calvin'sHobbies Well, that wasn't easy.

Q: Default for additional characters in output

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Where the question does not explicitly state either way, should an answer that gives surplus output count as valid? Should this rule be different for visible characters and whitespace? Some specific cases that sometimes come up: A single trailing newline Output enclosed in parentheses or quote...

no

5:44 AM

For those who haven't heard: RIP Lemmy from Motörhead.

Thanks Dennis

Best version there?

internal override object Evaluate() => Evaluate(false); ಠ_ಠ . Sometimes I forget optional parameters exist.

@AlexA. and didn't that guy have like >1k rep?

5:47 AM

Wait, what

the guy who asked that question

Huh?

PPCG rep => 70's rock band knowledge?

^

i-am-an-idiot

Or Lemmy himself had rep..

5:49 AM

I was thinking of that challenge

that was closed in 30 secs

about some Lemmy from Motorhead

and did not know who Lemmy actually was

Some Lemmy? Is there more than one?

Lemmy

Ian Fraser "Lemmy" Kilmister (24 December 1945 – 28 December 2015) was an English musician, singer, and songwriter. He was best known as the lead vocalist, bassist, principal songwriter, founder, and sole constant member of the rock band Motörhead as well as having been a member of Hawkwind. == Early lifeEdit == Lemmy was born on Christmas Eve in the Burslem area of Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire. When Lemmy was three months old, his father, an ex-Royal Air Force chaplain, separated from his mother. His mother and grandmother moved to nearby Newcastle-under-Lyme, then moved again to Madeley, another...

THE ACE OF SPADES! THE ACE OF SPADES!

Thats the only song I know I think

:( the kill master eh

goes to play some Brütal Legend

what's up with these umlauts?

5:57 AM

Mältÿsën

Mäłtÿšëń

2

eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/wuis-cra121715.php

Dudes found some rocks on the moon and were like "wtf is this"

FlagAsSpam

6:16 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Good. :D Hope she feels even better soon.

PhiNotPi

or fher gb qevax lbhe binygvar

translate: or fher gb qevax lbhe binygvar

(from English) or fher gb qevax lbhe binygvar

oh good job, bing

PhiNotPi

It's a cryptographic puzzle.

Bing should have known that and solved it

6:40 AM

C++ people: Any difference between defining an abstract class as class A; versus class A {};?

I assume not, but I know nothing

@Dennis is plasma-workspace all the other apps?

Dennis went to bed

o

@AlexA. There is in fact a difference: the latter works and the former causes errors.

More specifically, it errors when you try to create derived classes, like class B : A {...}; It will tell you base class has incomplete type.

TIL

yay upgrading to ubuntu 15

6:52 AM

yay

I think my Ubuntu VM is on 14.

yay upgrading to ubuntu to <anything but ubuntu>

Mac OS X

@mınxomaτ ಠ_ಠ

@AlexA. ಠ_ಠ

u no u luv it

6:57 AM

@AlexA. The only reason I have a OSX VM is Pixelmator. But that's it already.

The only reason I have OS X is that it's on my computer and I like it.

I'm a bad example, I use arch.

ಠ_ಠ

arch is cool

wow we have the top 2 spots on HNQ

@Maltysen DELETE FROM Users WHERE DisplayName = 'Maltysen'

7:01 AM

*cries*

<3

DELETE FROM Users WHERE Species = 'Bird'

Wait, no.

ERROR: Column 'Species' not found in table 'Users'

I just realized I'm also a bird.

At least we'll go out together

7:04 AM

DROP TABLE Users

#define DROP exit(0);

Now we're mixing languages

wow Google Cloud Platform got a major UI overhaul

@AlexA. That is all valid code in

Nov 3 at 3:13, by mınxomaτ

Carrಠt++

Oh god that's a real language?

7:07 AM

...

Nov 3 at 3:16, by Doorknob

screeeen

Btw, weshouldblamedoorknob.tk seems to be down. I got redirected to a mediocre porno site.

^i love that you felt the need to include a value judgement

also: who are we going to blame for this problem

@undergroundmonorail a mediocre porno site

I didn't even get the porno site. I got some survey thing

That's what makes it mediocre

7:11 AM

lel

Dec 17 at 0:51, by Alex A.

6/10 very phallic

Nov 3 at 2:57, by Calvin's Hobbies

But your body is warm

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Nov 19 at 16:54, by Geobits

^ famous last words

i saw a button on the internet that does something when you click it, but it does not take you away from the page. i looked at the page source and that button is just a link that definitely seems like it should take me to a different page. when i go to that page manually i get a 404 and the thing the button does doesn't happen

i'm so confused

0/10 no doge detected.

7:15 AM

Do you even internet m9?

oh god the timing of my message

@AlexA. hahaha

guys check out this game I'm writing:

107.178.217.79:5000

id is PPCG

oh

7:18 AM

you play by finding the common letter/number between the lists and pressing it on your keyboard

I put in 1

major WIP in terms of UI

reload

0/10 looks perfect

I deleted you from memcache

uhh someone joined after the game started

that shouldn't be allowed

it messed everything up

Also the timer isn't going

7:20 AM

sry

and I still don't understand the game

i may or may not have broken your game

ok let's try again

is anyone else joining?

I joined

Says you, me, and mono

7:21 AM

k starting, no one else join

who was that?

Probably minxomat

I dindu nuffin

i haven't done any formal studies but it seems like the answer is J like 40% of the time

@mınxomaτ That is the least innocent way to claim innocence

last try?

7:23 AM

k

i'm there twice

i think

or someone stole my name

prolly the latter

I can't access the page.

k starting

how was that?

Hard

7:25 AM

it was pretty cool

other than the UI

I thought it was neat

Harder than I expected it to be

at one point i saw that i had to hit six but in practice i hit "78786"

should I allow negative scores?

I would say one guess per pair

7:25 AM

also, how about correct=+10, wrong=-5

@AlexA. I could do that, but that's more work than changing two numbers ;P

Probably true

If it were me, I'd do that with right = +1, wrong = 0.

also, the actual game is two minutes, but its 30 sec for dev

As someone who is often wrong, I don't like being penalized for wrongness. Better to keep wrong = 0.

Or if you want to make it even more challenging, a single wrong could reset your score to 0.

that seems too harsh

You know what else is harsh? Sandpaper.

7:34 AM

true

I could rub them with sandpaper whenever they get it wrong

i'm sure there's an HTML5 api for that

They may not have made the cut for 5, but I think it might be in HTML6-dev.

C++ question: What happens if you declare a member variable in a class with auto? Will you be able to have different types for that variable in different instances of the class?

Answer: Errors. Lots and lots of errors.

strangely enough, there was a game over screen that was showing up on localhost, but wasn't showing up when I was playing with you guys

did any of you see a game over screen?

or did the timer just stop at 0

I hear that @phase is the resident expert on localhost; maybe he can help.

5

It just stopped at 0.

For me the timer just stopped at 0.

7:43 AM

k

Unlike @mınxomaτ, I require sleep. Goodnight all.

GN

G'night!

7:58 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ YAY good news all around

8:12 AM

Er... For the most part anyway. RIP Lemmy

9:10 AM

Is that pancake batter?

yes

fun fact

before this rule was added to chess: "The king and the chosen rook are on the player's first rank when castling."

you could move a pawn to the other side of the board, and never move the king

promote the pawn to a rook

and then castle across the board

since the new rook has never moved

haha, wow

I wonder what that game must've been like that made them add that rule. :P

@El'endiaStarman it was a chess puzzle

lol that flag

I wonder what validating a spam/offensive flag does to a feed bot...

9:24 AM

@El'endiaStarman eternal damnation in robot hell

9:59 AM

Cause switch statements are for wimps

geez

phase

11:19 AM

I love it when I google something and google tells me "no, you want this" which is something completely different but exactly what I needed.

Optimizer

12:10 PM

you searched for girls , it said code?

Q: What is Winter Bash and Hats?

i haven't tested it but i think i just realized a bug in the pb interpreter that would let me do > and <

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I can't access code-golf because of a problem. And when I entered, there is a winter bash. And hats. My question is: What is winter bash and what is hats? What is the purpose of that? How it works?

support

but i like it

so now it's a feature

yeah it works

nice

the only loop/branch you can do in pb is w[0=0]{} or w[0!0]{} where the 0s are expressions

the first is while the expressions evaluate to the same thing, the second is while they don't

the only validation i do on those expressions is that all non-pb characters are stripped from the source code before any execution happens

if an expression is made entirely of pb characters, it's assumed to be allowed and just fed to python's eval

but < and > are both in the language, just used as something entirely different. those characters won't be stripped out

so i can do, for example, w[2>1=1]{}

(i still have to have the = or ! or it won't parse, it has to be compared against something)

that was never my intention but it's kinda neat

12:31 PM

I just noticed...

stackoverflow.com/q/15182496/3225276#comment21420971_15182496

that's doorknob

I know

But it's SO

a good answer to that question would have been "wait, you ran that code and got 'hello world' out of it? that's incredible! what are the odds???"

just to freak out op

99.9999999873465273645347856%

that is a lot of sigfigs

12:37 PM

Accurate to within +-.00000003%

wow

that's exciting

$(".beta-title")[0].hidden = true //shhh

1:02 PM

hellooo

1:14 PM

@LegionMammal978 ... why did you link to a random one of my comments from almost 3 years ago?

1:44 PM

@Doorknob冰 Didn't know that you were on SO :P

1:57 PM

@MartinBüttner, just to clarify, Echo["foo"] outputs >> foo followed by a newline to STDOUT. Correct?

Martin Büttner

yes, I think so, but I can't test right now, because I don't have 10.3 here

Okay, I was wondering if it was just prefixed by >> or >> .

Martin Büttner

I think there is a space.

2:31 PM

A few minutes later...

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Hello

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Counting Your task is simple. Post a snippet in any language that if the snippet is repeated n times, will output n in decimal, octal, and hexadecimal, in that order, separated in spaces. n is an integer larger than zero. There is no leading zeroes. Example If the snippet is ABC then the test ...

Q: Selecting N integers with contraints

3:14 PM

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I need to write a program which takes 4 inputs as follows N = The number of integers to be generated (10 < N < 10000) Start = The minimum value of the integers (100 < Start) End = The maximum value of the integers Step = The minimum difference between any two integers (100 < Step) and ...

optimization programming-puzzle

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A: When is code that requires a REPL acceptable?

Can someone tell me what's wrong with my position on REPLs?

-2

Always— but a REPL is a different language. We usually define languages by their interpreters. My Python shell is an interpreter, which satisfies our definition of a programming language. Therefore, it is a valid language. "Wait a minute", you say, "won't REPLs usually be shorter than their ful...

It seems like the most natural rule.

4:02 PM

Ehh... I'm indifferent.

excpet REPLs do make sense as a lanugage...

trichoplax

@ThomasKwa Currently I see your answer as the one that makes most sense, even though it has a lower score. I'd love to see an answer that defines why a REPL is not acceptable, but I think you are right that there is no objective way to do that.

Remember that downvotes on Meta can just as easily mean "I don't like this" as "I have a logical objection"

randomra

I wouldn't like if REPL answers would get common, but you can't really do anything against it, just discourage it. I feel the same way about "languages" which just substitute other languages longer words. We have a lot of languages already.

There will be answers that cleverly exploit features of the REPL that aren't in the parent language; that's a reason to allow them. (I can't think of one right now, though)

trichoplax

@ThomasKwa You could edit and add extra points to your meta post if you wish, which may change the minds of some of the voters (after editing a downvoter is able to change their vote).

grc

next up: Decompress-Eval-Print Loops

4:12 PM

What

@grc then it just turns into a golfing language

there are better golfing languages

@TanMath Hi

hello!

@SuperJedi224 so how are your chatbots doing?

@TanMath Shall I set it up?

@SuperJedi224 sure!

4:18 PM

hihi

@TanMath Firefox is complaining about a syntax problem. I'll see if I can fix it.

@quintopia so how am I supposed to use W to do a for loop... I tried 5rW.- to print 5 4 3 2 1 but it didn't work

this just in: I woke up today to find my rep is at 1,337. that is all.

Well

JoeZ. once had 9001 rep

I'm going to find the image

Okay, it's up now.

4:21 PM

K

@SuperJedi224 I lost the link to beep boop maggot...

I have my own bot account

with 1 rep

Click on "site rooms", you can find it there

@BlockCoder1392 You need 20 rep to post in chat.

@TanMath sounds like you want to map over a range. The easiest way to print 5 4 3 2 1 would be 61xRi■

@Dennis I know

@quintopia ok...Now let's say I want to do I mathematical calculation with each of the numbers in the range and check it against another number (working on thr half number on the clock challenge).. Would a map still be useful?

A: What's a half on the clock?

4:26 PM

@TanMath I used a map in my answer:

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Seriously, 14 bytes 1,;╗R`╙╜@%`Míu Hex Dump: 312c3bbb5260d3bd4025604da175 Try It Online Explanation: ,;╗ Make 2 copies of input, put 1 in reg0 R push [0,1,...,n-1] ` `M map the quoted function over the range ╙ do 2^n ╜@% modulo the...

@quintopia wait, when did you do that?? come on...

10 hours ago

nvm... I guess you win the race... Thanks for the help anyway.. I will try to remember for another challenge...

Posted my second question!

Cool

4:28 PM

Did you know: Both of my questions so far have been on the 1st page of the Sandbox before posting.

@TanMath did you just make my rep 1347? good thing i saved that screenshot...

CSᵠ

wow, only 20 stars remaining

@quintopia What?

@quintopia yeah, you want is back to 1337??

@TanMath lol no.

4:31 PM

@quintopia ok

Why do my rep totals on main and meta differ by 5 points?

caching

^

Also, shouldiblamecachingcom.dev.webproxy.net/…

Q: Electrostatic potential of a simple system

Well, yeah, it's a really complex site. Makes sense that it would take a long time to design.

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4:37 PM

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In physics, like electric charges repel, and unlike charges attract. The potential energy between two unit charges separated by a distance d is 1/d for like charges and -1/d for unlike charges. The potential energy of a system of charges is the sum of the potential energies between all pairs of ...

code-golf string physics

@Doorknob冰 It probably has been finished for a long time, but the old site is still cached.

Where is it?

I can't see it.'

please tell me we're not going to start starring carets again

^