The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

9:00 PM

@Doorknob What do you think, being the author of the potential dupe target?

Oh hey, Julia 0.4 has been released!

flawr

@AlexA. It seems you are quite active as Julianist, based on your recent answers.

How do you manage not getting it mixed up with matlab/octave?

Alex A.

Easy--I don't use Matlab/Octave. :P

And not just recent answers. I think the majority of my answers are in Julia.

I've been following the project since version 0.2 which crashed a lot.

quartata

What's Julia like?

I think I've heard of it but never used it before.

Alex A.

It's like the greatest thing to exist.

Imagine Python if its syntax didn't suck.

Or Ruby if it worked.

undergroundmonorail

@AlexA. them's fightin words

Alex A.

9:07 PM

Bring it.

quartata

@AlexA. This I understand.

I'll take a look at it.

Alex A.

Do it.

quartata

I'd love to find a decent language I can golf pretty well in a lot rather than what I'm doing now which is using a lot of different languages and not really doing that good

mbomb007

@quartata To me, it's not about winning. It's about learning and enjoying as you participate.

Alex A.

I like to golf in a variety of languages to learn them better.

quartata

9:14 PM

@mbomb007 I know, but but I'd still love to find one language I can always reach for.

mbomb007

@AlexA. Imagine Java if it wasn't Java.

quartata

That language is Java for me in normal programming.

Doesn't really work in code golf though.

mbomb007

@quartata Java 8 is better. Learn Python. I picked it up pretty quickly, and it's not as strict as Java.

quartata

@mbomb007 I do know Python.

Alex A.

Python is fine. I just dislike mandatory whitespace.

quartata

9:15 PM

One of the problems with Python however is that usually someone beats me to a Python answer :P

mbomb007

@quartata JavaScript?

@quartata I also recommend learning ><>. Just work on expanding how many languages you know. They'll get used at some point.

quartata

Hmm

Alex A.

Learn APL.

quartata

@AlexA. That's what I'm going to learn next ideally.

Alex A.

It's weird and has no practical use, but it looks pretty.

quartata

9:17 PM

It's very pretty.

Doorknob

Almost nobody else here golfs in Rust. :P

quartata

@mbomb007 ><> is actually a really cool language but it's very difficult to use in challenges that involve math.

mbomb007

@quartata Not much more difficult than any other basic stack-based language.

Learn Forth. Forth is fun.

undergroundmonorail

as far as i'm aware, i'm one of two people who has ever used pb and the other one (again, as far as i'm aware) doesn't use this site

quartata

What's Forth?

Thomas Kwa

9:18 PM

Sorry to brag, but

quartata

@undergroundmonorail What's PB?

mbomb007

@AlexA. The spec document is like 500 pages.

quartata

@ThomasKwa You are too good at TI-BASIC for me to try golfing in it.

undergroundmonorail

@quartata esolangs.org/wiki/pb

i think that's the right url

Thomas Kwa

WOOOOO! Second consecutive mortarboard!

undergroundmonorail

9:19 PM

yeah i got it

mbomb007

Forth (programming language)

Forth is an imperative stack-based computer programming language and programming environment. Language features include structured programming, reflection (the ability to modify the program structure during program execution), concatenative programming (functions are composed with juxtaposition) and extensibility (the programmer can create new commands). Although not an acronym, the language's name is sometimes spelled with all capital letters as FORTH, following the customary usage during its earlier years. A procedural programming language without type checking, Forth features both interactive...

Alex A.

@mbomb007 And? :P

mbomb007

@quartata Online interpreter here: repl.it/languages/forth

quartata

@mbomb007 That looks pretty interesting.

undergroundmonorail

the problem with pb is that it's incredibly fragile

Martin Büttner

9:20 PM

@mbomb007 had to delete the Retina answer because we also need to print the number of spaces removed. feel free to post a working solution if you've got one

undergroundmonorail

i never made an interpreter before and i coded it really poorly

mbomb007

@quartata I think I originally started learning it because the RedPower 2 Minecraft mod introduced a computer that runs MineOS, which is based on Forth.

undergroundmonorail

printing something outside of the range [0, 256) crashes python

Thomas Kwa

@quartata Post TI-BASIC anyway; I don't like to be the only one golfing in it.

undergroundmonorail

malformed code crashes python

mbomb007

9:21 PM

Or maybe it was just straight-up Forth. I don't remember.

undergroundmonorail

sometimes python just crashes

Thomas Kwa

There are plenty of questions I don't attempt, and if you manage to outgolf me or have a particularly good answer I'll award a bounty.

undergroundmonorail

actual code from the pb interpreter:

def expression(e):
	"""Return the result of an expression"""
	# TODO: make this not a piece of shit
	return eval(e, globals())

# Some might say using global variables for this purpose is bad practice.
# I think those people could stand to be a little bit more adventurous.

Alex A.

s/\t/ /

undergroundmonorail

fun fact about pb: if you indent with spaces it calls you out on being an awful person and evaluates 1/0

3

for line in code.split('\n'):
	if line[0] == ' ':
		print 'stop doing this horrible thing'
		1/0

Alex A.

9:26 PM

@Doorknob Looks like we need to chat ban @undergroundmonorail and delete his account if he doesn't fix this terrible thing.

undergroundmonorail

go ahead

make me a martyr

you'll only strengthen the cause

Dennis

There shall be tabs!

2

test test

test test

(Use four spaces.)

mbomb007

Thanks

undergroundmonorail

it's gross, i know

but you have to

mbomb007

What if there are leading spaces?

 test

undergroundmonorail

9:32 PM

b) just do 4 more

Dennis

test test

mbomb007

it works

              .,-:;//;:=,
          . :H@@@MM@M#H/.,+%;,
       ,/X+ +M@@M@MM%=,-%HMMM@X/,
     -+@MM; $M@@MH+-,;XMMMM@MMMM@+-
    ;@M@@M- XM@X;. -+XXXXXHHH@M@M#@/.
  ,%MM@@MH ,@%=             .---=-=:=,.
  =@#@@@MX.,                -%HX$$%%%:;
 =-./@M@M$                   .;@MMMM@MM:
 X@/ -$MM/                    . +MM@@@M$
,@M@H: :@:                    . =X#@@@@-
,@@@MMX, .                    /H- ;@M@M=
.H@@@@M@+,                    %MM+..%#$.
 /MMMM@MMH/.                  XM@MH; =;
  /%+%$XHH@$=              , .H@@@@MX,

Aperture Science!

minxomat

Aw, the line spacing makes it look terrible...

undergroundmonorail

apparently i got auto-chatbanned just now for swearing but i swear all the time and it's never happened before

weird

El'endia Starman

@minxomat ...the writer is good.

undergroundmonorail

9:35 PM

ty to whoever freed me though because it was supposed to be for half an hour

mbomb007

A while ago, whenever I made this, I copied it character-by-character from the credits of Portal.

El'endia Starman

@mbomb007 We do what we must, because, we can...

minxomat

@El'endiaStarman What writer?

mbomb007

@minxomat GLaDOS

:D

El'endia Starman

@minxomat Thomas Lera, I would assume.

mbomb007

9:36 PM

Portal - 'Still Alive'

►

Dennis

@undergroundmonorail Somebody flagged your message as offensive, and it got deleted by 10k users or a moderator.

mbomb007

You can see it right there ^

undergroundmonorail

@Dennis weird, the message said it happened automatically

Dennis

Yes, a valid "offensive" flag comes with an automatic suspension.

undergroundmonorail

ohh, i see

so the flag and the 10k/mod confirming it were not automatic but the suspension was

El'endia Starman

9:40 PM

Portal 2 - End Credits Song 'Want You Gone' by Jonathan Coulton

►

Mandatory follow-up.

Dennis

@undergroundmonorail The flag might be automatic, but I don't think so. We talk about Brainfuck all the time and nothing happens. The confirmation certainly wasn't.

quartata

Who would have flagged that?

mbomb007

@Dennis His comment wasn't Brainfuck. I saw it.

undergroundmonorail

probably someone who doesn't realize how horrible indenting with spaces is

@mbomb007 i think the idea was "if brainfuck doesn't get flagged then what you said shouldn't either"

mbomb007

Brainfuck is a language name. You actually swore.

Dennis

9:44 PM

^ (automatically, that is)

mbomb007

So IMHO, it deserved the flag.

undergroundmonorail

this is correct, but i swear often and to my knowledge it hasn't been flagged before

Doorknob

I'd like to point out that nobody really cares

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VTCAKAVSMoACE

@mbomb007 My physics teacher mentioned Forth today. Coincidence? I think not.

mbomb007

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Physics? How does that fit together? I'm not sure I'd enjoy doing physics on Forth.

@Doorknob Maybe not, but that doesn't make it right.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

9:46 PM

No - he was talking about how it was the programming language he used before BASIC was cool.

Doorknob

But that does mean a flag is unjustified and should have been dismissed.

(unfortunately chat moderation is horribly broken and basically garbage)

undergroundmonorail

ayyy

no one ever use the f word again

Dennis

Which f word?

undergroundmonorail

exactly

this is too important to give up

mbomb007

Even if a flag is unjustified, it's still up to users to improve their own "tongue" and language to a higher standard. IMHO, swearing is a sign of immaturity or lack of self-control.

undergroundmonorail

9:48 PM

that's a totally valid opinion for you to have and i'm super allowed to disagree with it

mbomb007

Especially people who throw in the f-word as every other word. As if their vocabulary is so limited that they can't use another word.

We went to the f*in mall today, and f*in saw an f*in movie, etc etc

Doorknob

146

Q: About your f***ing website

Presented for your enjoyment-slash-amusement. Email received by team@stackoverflow.com from Name Jesus Christ Almighty, what a f***ing mess of a website. I'm trying to post a question. Just the one, you know, f***ing question. So I sign up for an ID and I'm sent an email that doesn't real...

(reminded me of that)

Dennis

@mbomb007 That's incredibly obnoxious, but not really offensive IMHO.

(Unless you're a mall or a movie.)

flawr

I have a character set bdeghijklmnpqsuvyz and a string. I want to find a string that uses each character of this set at most once.

Anyone know how to regex that?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I smell that the anagram generator died.

mbomb007

9:52 PM

@Dennis swearing is a sign of immaturity or lack of self-control

It doesn't always have to be offensive.

flawr

@VTCAKAVSMoACE You smelled correctly.

undergroundmonorail

The flag button literally sags "flag as offensive"

I think. I'm on mobile

mbomb007

People don't even know how to insult anymore. They just say f** you, because they can't actually say anything intelligently insulting.

flawr

Oh: a2zwordfinder.com/anagram.html

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Oh my gosh... XD I just realized that when my grandad looks up my alias in google (which he will), there's a chance that he'll find the coding language. XD That would be terribly difficult to explain.

mbomb007

9:54 PM

@undergroundmonorail Well, I find swearing offensive when they just throw the word in because they can. It's offending the intelligence of us all.

@VTCAKAVSMoACE What language?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

ShadyAsFuck - we're making it right now.

mbomb007

There should be a language called "Shwifty"

PhiNotPi

@mbomb007 You should anti-aliase that art.

undergroundmonorail

@mbomb007 lmao what

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Is that like Swift, but from East End?

undergroundmonorail

9:56 PM

i don't know maybe i'm not parsing it right but i have no idea what this means

mbomb007

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Nah, it's a Rick & Morty reference.

undergroundmonorail

the website to download the interpreter would be getshwifty.com

it's genius

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Oh, okie. But that would be a good explanation.

mbomb007

@PhiNotPi You can and post what it looks like. I prefer the version that's contained in the credits.

@undergroundmonorail I tried thinking of other references or "lyrics" from the song to include, but I had forgotten about it until now

Anyways, I gtg. I might be on later, otherwise tomorrow.

undergroundmonorail

later

New Main Posts

10:00 PM

-1

Q: Program to Count the numbers in C

How can i count the numbers ( not digits) entered by user. For Example; (input) 1 2 3 4 5 23 12 34 32 12 33 212 Desired output total number: 12

c programming-puzzle functional-programming

VTCAKAVSMoACE

^ Migrate to StackOverflow?

undergroundmonorail

i doubt stackoverflow wants it tbh

Thomas Kwa

^

Dennis

^^

Thomas Kwa

@Doorknob I thought that was a transcript at first.

El'endia Starman

10:04 PM

Do you guys like ever migrate to SO?

undergroundmonorail

usually people who are capable of writing good questions for SO also know where they go

i'm sure it's happened though

Dennis

Rarely. The OP has an SO account, so there's a decent chance he tried over there first.

undergroundmonorail

> sometimes people tell me "you can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish" but the joke is on them, i can't tune a piano

that's a joke i made on twitter today

and now i've shared it with you

you're welcome

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman I have

undergroundmonorail

in other news, i really hate that quotes in chat have to start with > instead of just >

wow that really didn't turn out legible at all

i hate that quotes in chat have to start with "> " instead of just ">"

Dennis

10:10 PM

> Implemented suggestions:

> Eval string in Pyth, as .v

undergroundmonorail

neato mosquito

Dennis

@AlexA. You just had to rock the boat, didn't you? :P

Haha.

undergroundmonorail

the important thing is that you tried

Alex A.

>:|

undergroundmonorail

how to be a good adult: if someone breaks into your house at any point, ensure that you are prepared to challenge them to a pokemon battle for your possessions

2

VTCAKAVSMoACE

10:16 PM

What's the syntax for quoting?

Alex A.

How to be a better adult: Learn the Vulcan nerve pinch.

undergroundmonorail

@VTCAKAVSMoACE > words to quote

Alex A.

> What's the syntax for quoting, you say?

undergroundmonorail

or if you're quoting a chat message

just post the permalink to that message unmodified

the system does all the work

VTCAKAVSMoACE

So, I could do... chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/24618229#24618229

Alex A.

10:18 PM

33 mins ago, by Doorknob

I'd like to point out that nobody really cares

undergroundmonorail

yes, except you put "So, I could do..." at the beginning

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Ah! Okay.

quartata

@NewMainPosts Lot of off topics today...

undergroundmonorail

don't blame the bot

don't shoot the messenger

quartata

Nah nah it's OK robot!

I didn't mean it's your fault!

Anyways.

I just saw this challenge in the sandbox meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7152/45151

And thought of a really really good way to do it in Java..

I hope it gets posted.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

10:26 PM

Nah. It's not his serverfault.

undergroundmonorail

El'endia Starman

@undergroundmonorail I remember a time when the original was the most common version. Then someone made this way smoother version and it spread like wildfire.

undergroundmonorail

me too

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@quartata Did you see my new Sandbox question (put it on "active" mode).

New Sandboxed Posts

10:48 PM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Code me a song!! code-golf music Ok, so sometimes I get a little blue and need a song to cheer me up, but clicking the start button and finding my media player takes sooooooo long. I want a faster way to play a song. The challenge: Write a program that plays a song from my home directory (so ...

New Main Posts

0

Q: Curse you Turing!!! Make a partial halting solver that yells at Turing when he tries to break it

Here goes a quick proof by Alan Turing that there is no program H that can solve the halting problem. If there was, you could make a program X such that X(n) = if H(n,n) == Halt then output X(n) else output ":-)". What is the value of H(X,X)? Your job is to make a partial halting solver, such th...

math quine

quartata

@VTCAKAVSMoACE The Ulam Spiral one?

Yeah looks good.

You might want to consider writing a short explanation of how it works in case people don't want to look at that Wikipedia article you linked.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I'll add that in real quick, then. :)

Is that enough of an explanation, or should I put in more?

New Main Posts

11:08 PM

-2

Q: 0x99 Bottles of Beer

We have all heard of the classic 99 Bottles of Beer program before, or at least played it on a long road trip or plane flight. Today, I want to take a spin on things and add a bit of a twist. Prepare yourselves, for the time has come for hexadecimal 99 Bottles of Beer. Your task is to create a...

code-golf

quartata

Huh, I wonder why people are downvoting this. I upvoted it actually; I thought it was at least mildly interesting.

Alex A.

It has no upvotes

quartata

I thought I upvoted it...

Oh right I still don't have my upvotes back yet

I used them all last night

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Looks good.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

It looks really similar to the old 99 bottles challenge, just using hex instead of decimal. Very few differences between.

Alex A.

The old 99 bottles was a popcon though, right?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

11:14 PM

Was it?

Alex A.

Idk

VTCAKAVSMoACE

It was. Still - very similar challenge.

Alex A.

Yeah

Arguably not a dupe because of the difference in scoring criterion though

:/

El'endia Starman

@quartata 43 42 minutes!

Alex A.

GitHub gave me this image when it was taking too long to load a page.

undergroundmonorail

11:23 PM

That was nice of it

Alex A.

I suppose.

flawr

11:37 PM

@VTCAKAVSMoACE and I proudly present you ShadyAsFuck.

Status

Well my productivity has gone down thanks to this site.

Doorknob

> abandon all work, ye who enter here —aditsu

Alex A.

@Status That is true of all of us.

@flawr Haha you linked VTCAKAVSMoACE on esolangs to Super User rather than PPCG XD

flawr

Oh.

Status

on the other hand, I'm apparently top 11% this week

whatever that means

Alex A.

11:43 PM

@flawr I fixed it

Status

so productivity traded for the first 11% of the week

or any 11% of the week

flawr

@AlexA. why don't you make an own account there?

Alex A.

Lazy

Status

that works out to some 18 and a half hours

Alex A.

Too lazy to even make the above a complete sentence

flawr

11:48 PM

Well then, cu guys

I need some sleep.

0.o

There is no word for 'sturmfrei' in english.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Goodnight!

Alex A.

Goodnight!

flawr

How the hell did you survive without this word????

Alex A.

I have no idea what it means so... I don't know how to answer that.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Storm free?

Alex A.

11:49 PM

translate: sturmfrei

(from English) sturmfrei

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Frei means free, and sturm means storm...

flawr

It means that you are alone at home, and that you can do whatever the f*** you want.

So today I had sturmfrei, and I did whatever the f*** I wanted.

Which was sitting at the computer, wasting time on PPCG. What I do every evening anyway.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Why are there 4 *s?

XD

flawr

6 in total.

@VTCAKAVSMoACE You mean ,],. ?

Goodnight everyone

Alex A.

Goodnight!

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