The Nineteenth Byte

Rainbolt

14:00

That way I can growl at people who argue with me. Rar!

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Q: Should I repost a revised version of a really old, closed challenge?

I found an interesting, closed challenge. I know that I can address the flaws that led it to closure. Normally, I would edit the challenge into shape, but the question is over a year old and I want it to get the attention is deserves. Should I repost it?

TheDoctor

14:15

good morning

Rainbolt

Morning

Anonymous

Hello Doc

Zgarb

Morning.

Anonymous

"It's because java is more secure so it's harder to break" <- this comment on the unusable language challenge has me rolling

Anonymous

rip my sides

quartata

14:17

hue hue

TheDoctor

@Mego what challenge?

Anonymous

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Q: Make your language unusable

Try to write some code in your language and make it not satisfying our criteria of being a programming language any more. A language satisfies our criteria (simplified version for this challenge) of being a programming language if: It can read user input representing tuples of positive integer...

popularity-contest

Anonymous

It frustrates me that so many of the "solutions" have been proven invalid, and nothing is done, though

Geobits

Pro-tip: Link directly to the comment by clicking the timestamp ;)

Sp3000

It frustrates me that since the sys recursion one has been proven wrong it's gotten twice as many upvotes

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14:22

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Where'd that germ go? code-golf grid Introduction You are a biologist studying the movement patterns of bacteria. Your research team has a bunch of them in a petri dish, and you are recording their activity. Unfortunately, you are seriously underfunded, and can't afford a video camera, so you ...

Sp3000

:P

Anonymous

The first day of that challenge made me run into the Geobits issue, where you run out of downvotes

TheDoctor

lololol

Geobits

:/

I never run out of downvotes.

2

Sp3000

Having said that, I'm surprised that Geobits has a nice an even up/down vote ratio

(Mine is... 1200/63 :/)

Anonymous

14:28

I'm not sure whether to be glad or sad that Brainfuck is unbreakable for that challenge

Geobits

2

Palindrome rep day :)

Sp3000

I'd be glad, because if it were, it'd probably be stupidly high in votes for something really trivial

TheDoctor

@Sp3000 how do you see that ?

Sp3000

Profile > Activity

Geobits

Near the bottom

Anonymous

14:30

@TheDoctor Go to your profile, look at your up vs down votes

Sp3000

It's a public stat, so you can see everybody's

TheDoctor

nobody's solved this yet... apple.stackexchange.com/questions/212277/…

and it's hit 60,000

Anonymous

I can answer your third question: yes

Sp3000

btw @Mego : codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/61115/… (if you haven't seen it yet :) )

Anonymous

Although something odd is going on, as you should only have 65535 ports

Anonymous

14:34

Unless the service and the program are sharing some

TheDoctor

i've definitely been over 70,000 before

anyone else get a chat mod notification?

Anonymous

No

Geobits

Yep, the flags come in every now and then.

Sp3000

Yes, if you have enough site-wide rep

Anonymous

Huh, so the 65535 is actually a minimum highest port

Anonymous

14:35

Looks like Linux/UNIX/OSX can theoretically go up to MAXINT

TheDoctor

lol

Anonymous

(2^32-1 or 2^64-1, depending on architecture)

TheDoctor

i'm x64 so...

Anonymous

Regardless, this is definitely bad

Anonymous

I'd imagine the issue is that the program is calling some system function to get the next-highest available port every so often for a connection, and failing to close it

Anonymous

14:37

Can you close the program and reopen it without disastrous effects, like your passwords disappearing?

TheDoctor

also, any mods on Arduio.se, the review queue is falling behind :/

arduino.stackexchange.com/review

Anonymous

If you can safely kill it, sending it a SIGKILL and restarting it every hour or so will help mitigate the problem

Anonymous

Definitely send in a bug report

Anonymous

@Sp3000 You really enjoy unbreaking broken Python code, don't you? :P

Anonymous

Also your ideone link has a runtime error

Geobits

14:45

@TheDoctor I think the "Ports" column represents Mach Ports, so you might find something searching that.

PhiNotPi

14:56

JQuery noob question...

How to I get it to "refresh" the function definitions?

$( "#menu" ).append( "<p>Alex-is-wrong</p>" );
$("#menu p").click(function(){
    $( "#cart" ).append($(this).clone());
});

^ this works

$("#menu p").click(function(){
    $( "#cart" ).append($(this).clone());
});
$( "#menu" ).append( "<p>Alex-is-wrong</p>" );

^ this doesn't

Since the item needs to be appended to the list first before I can define the .click() function of it.

Anonymous

I'm not sure what you mean by "refresh"

PhiNotPi

I don't know either.

I want to be able to define the .click for things that are later added into the #menu area.

Anonymous

Why not add the handler inside the handler?

PhiNotPi

I don't know what a handler is.

Anonymous

Event handler

Geobits

15:03

Hmm. I don't know the jQuery-idiomatic way to do it (other than "add more jQuery"), but could you just create an alternate append function that does both?

Anonymous

The function(){//stuff} inside .click

Anonymous

This should work:

PhiNotPi

Like, this up there with the first JQuery stuff I've ever done, and I'm trying to hack my way through something.

Anonymous

Oh

Anonymous

There's an easier way

Anonymous

15:04

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Q: JQuery .Clone() loses click event

I am using quicksand to add some cool sorting to my website. http://razorjack.net/quicksand/docs-and-demos.html#examples But I am having an issue that when I clone my data (content) to sort, the click events get lost. My website is andrewsimonmcallister.tv, it is the video section that I am t...

jquery

Anonymous

tl;dr do clone(true)

PhiNotPi

That's actually not what I want.

That would be helpful in assigning the event to the clone, but my problem is assigning it to the original if the original is added later.

Anonymous

Oh I see

Geobits

I think the simplest would be assigning the original to a variable. Maybe not the cleanest...

Anonymous

Actually, I don't see

Anonymous

15:07

I still don't quite understand what you're trying to do

Optimizer

not enough JQuery

@Geobits technically, you have only 40 downvotes a day

Geobits

No... most people have that limit. I found a loophole.

I could downvote a few hundred times today if I wanted to.

Anonymous

How does that work?

PhiNotPi

So, I have a .click() event that applies to the "#menu p" paragraphs. I also have some code (to be written later) that adds more "p"s sometime after the page loads. How do I assign the .click() event to the new "p"s?

Geobits

You can override the menu's append and force a click assignment, right? You'd think an onAppend method would be there, but...

Anonymous

15:15

That's strange that it doesn't just work as expected

Anonymous

Will the menu have at least one item to start, before more items are appended?

Geobits

AFAICT it does work as expected. It assigns the click function to all the p it can find when that line is run.

I'd be more surprised if it also applied them to future additions.

Anonymous

@Geobits I suppose

Anonymous

If the menu will always have at least one item to start with, you could just .clone(true) the first item, change the html data, and append it

PhiNotPi

jsfiddle.net/decnpk8y

^fiddle time ♬♬

Geobits

15:20

$("#menu").bind("append", function() { ...code to run on append here... });

^ ?

PhiNotPi

doesn't seem to work

Anonymous

jsfiddle.net/theonlymego/sk8vprc1

Geobits

Hmm. It's been a while since I've messed with jQuery, but it sounded good >_>

If feels like the "right" way to do it would be to create a menuItem type and append those instead of raw html.

The only problem with that is that types/classes/objects/whatever in js are stupid as hell.

Optimizer

append is not an event

unless its too much JQuery

Anonymous

Better implementation: jsfiddle.net/theonlymego/sk8vprc1/1

PhiNotPi

15:32

Is JavaScript/JQuery the only real choice for stuff like this?

Anonymous

Pretty much

aditsu

@PhiNotPi why not this? jsfiddle.net/mwuncu9h/1

Geobits

It doesn't add the onclick to the newly appended ones.

aditsu

@Geobits doesn't it need to do it only for the ones in the menu?

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Q: Create a tag for misbehaviors?

That is, a tag when the main objective is to write infinite loops without doing useful things, to crash the compiler, to generate errors, to use a lot of memory, or to generate big executables, etc. I feel those challenges are related, and a user who likes one of them may like the others. And cu...

discussion tags

Geobits

15:40

@aditsu Clicking appends new items to the menu, which should behave the same as the original, unless I'm misreading the intent.

aditsu

@Geobits no, it appends new items to the cart

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Q: Anything but a quine

Write a program that: Outputs strings containing the same number of bytes as the program's source code Outputs at least one string Is never a quine This is a popularity contest.

popularity-contest string quine

Geobits

Ah, right >_>

aditsu

anyway, if you want the clones to be clickable too -> $(this).clone().click(pclick)

Optimizer

you guys look so cute while debugging that small piece of JS code :D

aditsu

15:41

very simple

Rainbolt

@Geobits Fail.

I saw that

Geobits

Let it be forever known that I have failed. Once.

Optimizer

you have failed for ever, once.

Rainbolt

Feb 4 at 3:28, by Geobits

Yea, I was trying to figure out a way to convert it golfily, but failed.

You have failed at least twice

Geobits

Ok, I'll take once every eight months as my average :P

Rainbolt

15:45

You also failed a third time just now. You said you failed once but actually failed twice, so that counts as a failure.

Geobits

That wasn't a fail. It was a hyperbole.

Rainbolt

Okay. I'll give you that one

Optimizer

@Geobits you should watch your words against Rainbolt, lest you are going for the fourth

Rainbolt

... Or will I? Here's a time when you failed to see:

Aug 19 at 20:11, by Geobits

I fail to see the downside to that :P

Geobits

This isn't the first time Rainbolt and I have met ;)

Rainbolt

15:46

You also appear to fail at depth perception:

Oct 12 at 23:43, by Geobits

This may be why I fail depth perception tests, yet have otherwise perfect vision.

Anonymous

Do you just have a log of all the times Geobits has failed? That's kinda stalker-ish.

Optimizer

topic of discussion is the first time

@Mego its called search

Rainbolt

chat.stackexchange.com/…

Lot of false positives, but quite a few positives as well

Anonymous

I refuse to change my belief

Geobits

@Rainbolt I'd say my depth perception is fine, and the tests are flawed. I don't see any proof to the contrary.

Anonymous

15:47

geobits-is-fail

TheDoctor

rainbolt-is-a-pumpkin

Geobits

thedoctor-is-not-the-doctor

Anonymous

these-tag-jokes-are-getting-out-of-hand

Optimizer

you-are-not-your-username

Geobits

@Mego You might say they're.... overhanded

Rainbolt

15:49

1-tag-joke-later...

Optimizer

@Geobits ummm.. another fail?

Anonymous

@Geobits go home

Optimizer

^

Geobits

@Optimizer Nope, that was me changing my mind.

PhiNotPi

js-is-hard

TheDoctor

15:50

code-trolling

Optimizer

@PhiNotPi js-is-easy

Geobits

It's pretty classy to say that while offering no advice ;)

Optimizer

advice-is-hard

look up jquery delegate

Calvin's Hobbies

Is there a way to get a good looking 64x64 version of our favicon?

(that's 32x32)

Optimizer

except for creating one yourself?

Calvin's Hobbies

15:58

@Optimizer Yes

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Q: No one, please!

I'm personally hate 1 digit. So please help me convert numbers in better form. Better form is when this ugly digit never go in pair. For example 2 is ok, I even can survive 101, but 11 or 112 are ugly for my taste. Conversion is simple count for given number skipping all numbers that contains c...

code-golf number

Optimizer

Calvin's Hobbies

ooh

That works

Optimizer

I provided him all hq ones

if u want for all sites, look up Martin's question about favicons

TheDoctor

@Optimizer shiny

Optimizer

16:00

@Calvin'sHobbies although its not really a higher res version of the actual favicon..

Calvin's Hobbies

Yeah

Anonymous

Good enough for our porpoises

TheDoctor

arduino.stackexchange.com/review doge doge doge doge doge

Anonymous

I just got an arduino from a funny Amazon mishap

Anonymous

I should learn how to use it

TheDoctor

16:07

yes

PhiNotPi

I just found a really great give-mah-codez answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/12578502/…

TheDoctor

hai @BetaDecay

Beta Decay

@TheDoctor ¡hola!

Calvin's Hobbies

16:32

Is there a way to search for messages with images in chat?

Geobits

Lots of false positives, and only one format at a time, but.... chat.stackexchange.com/…

Sp3000

Pro golfers? You mean I could be getting paid for this?! — Peter Taylor 14 mins ago

Geobits

I don't know of a clean way to do it.

Sp3000

@PeterTaylor Only in bitcoins, I believe :P

aditsu

s/bit/doge/

Geobits

16:39

Bah. Careers is not at all helpful if you don't live in a heavy IT area. No jobs at all within 100 miles :/

Morgan Thrapp

Has there ever been an alphametics challenge? I looked around a little, but I couldn't find one.

Calvin's Hobbies

Pretty sure there has

Sp3000

I do believe yes, but forgot where

Calvin's Hobbies

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Q: A subset of Verbal arithmetic

Implement a verbal arithmetic solver of several same sequence of numbers added together: TWO + TWO ----- FOUR REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT + REPEAT -------- ANDSTOP SPEED + SPEED ------- KILLS There are some restrictions: each letter should represent different digits, and no letter can...

code-golf

Sp3000

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Q: Write a word equation solver

Introduction Consider the following example: CODE + GOLF —————— GREAT This is an equation where each letter represents a decimal digit and the words represent natural numbers (similar letters represent similar digits and different letters represent different digits). The task is to match e...

code-golf math puzzle-solver

Well.

Oh, one's a subset of the other. All good.

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16:48

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Q: Primes numbers with prime subscripts

A code-golf programming challenge: Write the shortest code that print all prime numbers with prime subscripts less than 10000. e.g: 5 13 17 25 29 37 41 ...

code-challenge math

Morgan Thrapp

Okay, thanks.

Geobits

I have a feeling a 3-char CJam or Pyth answer is incoming for the prime primes :/

Optimizer

1

Geobits

I figured it'd be some sort of prime operator (twice) and something to make a list out of them. I could be wrong ;)

aditsu

@Geobits I got 22

Sp3000

16:56

Ditto 22

aditsu

but what bothers me is the OP seems to just pull numbers out of his ass

Geobits

^

Sp3000

There we go

Optimizer

his ass is now wiped clean

aditsu

19

Geobits

17:01

I'm trying to find a minimally-levensteinwise-edit I can make so that it reads more cleanly.

Anonymous

Run it though Google Translate a few times?

Geobits

Even once is bad enough. From EN->JP->EN:

> All the prime numbers that have a prime index less than 10000 to describe the printing shortest code.

Anonymous

I don't notice a change

Geobits

Although if you drop everything after 10000 it pretty much works.

If we add French and Bosnian to the mix it gets even better:

> All prime numbers with a value less than 10,000 first described briefly in print.

aditsu

has this been done?

Geobits

17:06

No. Brand new users still can't use the sandbox.

aditsu

too bad..

Geobits

It keeps being suggested to them in comments though :/

aditsu

we should suggest them to get some reputation first then

Rainbolt

I was just asked to provide an idea for a date night for this wedding shower we're having tomorrow for a coworker. What's a good idea for a date night?

Anonymous

Netflix and chill

aditsu

17:08

@Rainbolt code golf party

Geobits

@aditsu No argument from me on that.

Really depends on the couple I think...

Anonymous

@Geobits I'm just gonna edit it to make sense and fit our standards and be done with it. Objections?

Rainbolt

All of the ideas I can think probably don't work for people like him. Make sushi, play an MMORPG together, etc.

Geobits

@Mego Nope. That's what would make the most sense to me.

@Rainbolt Go for something super-cliche. So much so that they stop asking for suggestions >_>

Anonymous

@Geobits Most recent edit of his is almost good enough

Geobits

17:10

@aditsu I may have been hasty about answering this. Anybody have a 1-rep sock?

aditsu

wrong again? :p

Geobits

No.... never that :P

aditsu

my socks don't have SE accounts

Geobits

My SE account doesn't have socks.

Anonymous

@Geobits Calling @ಠ_ಠ?

Geobits

17:14

No, he chats, so has too much rep for this ;)

Beta Decay

17:29

You could always downvote @AlphaDecay

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Testing whether 1 rep users can post in the sandbox. Please ignore.

Anonymous

quick everyone upvote it

Beta Decay

Welcome to PPCG @DoorHandle! The sandbox is for proposed challenges. At this moment, your challenge is missing tags, a title, an objective, instructions and a winning criteria

4

Geobits

From the OP:

> Write your challenge just as you would when actually posting it.

That challenge was terrible.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Implementations of linked lists Given the source code of a function or method to delete the first node having value x if existed, from a non-cyclic singly linked list, in a specific programming language. Write a program or function (not necessarily in the same language) to decide what kind of im...

Beta Decay

17:39

We need to eradicate these sandbox challenges. They're poorly written and little thought has to go into the answers... It's almost as bad as code-trolling

Geobits

I know. It's like people can post anything there. Classic "too broad" VTC.

Beta Decay

Hmm +90/-2

I guess we're the only downvoters :D

Geobits

Must just be you and Calvin :P

yesterday, by feersum

We know @Calvin'sHobbies is one of them.

Beta Decay

Haha I thought it'd be you and Calvin

Geobits

Why would I downvote it? The only real problem I have with the sandbox is that people don't leave a lot of questions in there long enough. But that's not really a problem with it.

Sp3000

17:45

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Q: Is The Sandbox Effective?

This is a poll to find out the general concensus on the effectiveness of our Sandbox for Proposed Challenges. To participate, up-vote exactly one of the answers below. There are only "Yes" and "No" answers. There is intentionally no "Maybe" answer, choose "Yes" or "No" as best you can. By "effe...

discussion sandbox

Geobits

Or go ahead and post them even when they're downvoted and have issues pointed out.

Sp3000

^^ Relevant

Beta Decay

@Geobits I suppose that your reputation isn't for downvoting blindly...

Geobits

I'd hope not, since I don't. I may downvote a lot, but it's not blindly.

Optimizer

18:11

Caught in action: Geobits downvoting sensibly:

Geobits

I is not cat.

I does not mac.

Optimizer

U use incorrect grammar

Geobits

Only if I is me.

Optimizer

If I is me, U use correct grammar

but I always use correct grammar

Geobits

... just improper capitalization, punctuation, and sometimes spelling ;)

Optimizer

18:14

grammar is more important

Geobits

That are debatable.

Optimizer

I am not a capitalist anywayz

neither a bee, nor a boxer

Geobits

not on a boat, not with a goat

El'endia Starman

@feersum Yeah, I started doubting its validity when I couldn't do to a row what I could do a column.

TheDoctor

everyone's avatars are broken

because i'm at school

Geobits

18:24

So I'm gonna say it's not the avatars that are broken :P

TheDoctor

it's the school firewall...

2 downvotes on the sandbox ^.^

aditsu

I'z in your gremmarz, writin purrrfect sentancez

TheDoctor

i think "sentancez" is actually "sentenzezz"

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Q: Coin Tossing Time Travelers

In the future when Time Travel (TT) will be common, coin tossing will become a serious mind-sport. To prepare for the future we create a competition for programs where time traveling will be really happening from the viewpoints of the entries. The competition is a round-robin style King of the H...

king-of-the-hill java

aditsu

@TheDoctor no no, dat r doge gramma

TheDoctor

18:36

much gramr

so sentins

aditsu

wow

TheDoctor

very werd

quartata

very gramr so sentins much werd would be the correct way technically.

Very does agree with werd, but not much

(I can't believe I'm being a doge grammar pedant)

Optimizer

@Geobits all the three things that I named were actually somewhat related :P

Geobits

I got that. It just reminded me of Dr. Seuss, so I went with it.

Optimizer

19:02

I am not aware od Dr Suess

Geobits

Green Eggs and Ham specifically. He wrote children's books.

The text isn't quite the same without the illustrations, though :/

> In 1965, the children's novel was banned in the People's Republic of China for its "portrayal of early Marxism". The ban was lifted in 1991, following Seuss' death. The book also was said to portray Sam's friend eating the ham; the ham representing a sausage, the sausage being a phallic symbol. In addition, several lines were said to suggest sexual locations such as, 'Would you, could you, on a boat'/would you, could you, with a goat'.

2

Some people look way too deep into things.

aditsu

is "with a goat" a location?

quartata

lmao

TheDoctor

@aditsu my new "location" for all online profiles

Geobits

I don't write Wikipedia articles, I just quote them without fact-checking ;)

aditsu

19:11

the most disturbing part of that is "the ham representing a sausage"

Geobits

Yea, getting from this to 'phallic' is a pretty big leap:

randomra

should KotH example entries be CW?

Geobits

@randomra I have no strong opinion on this matter. I've CW'd some of mine and not others.

I don't think most people do, if you just want the current trend.

> An upcoming animated television series based on the book, Green Eggs and Ham, will premiere on Netflix in 2018...

That seems like a long time off to be planning an animated series to me.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi I wish I had been around at the time you were asking this because I had this very issue (or at least something very similar) a few weeks ago. This is how I resolved it: $(document).on('change', 'input[type=radio], input[type=checkbox]', function(){ ... }) Basically, you add a handler to the container and also supply a selector to apply the function to.

It's worth noting that the radio and checkbox buttons were added with Ajax. I did try to apply the change handler to each such element in the response, but that didn't work. This solution above totally did/does.

Optimizer

He should have found the answer if he'd looked up delegate

Anonymous

19:29

Is it bad form to submit more than one answer/bot/whatever for KOTH challenges?

Optimizer

no

form is the wrong term

Anonymous

Ok, is it disallowed to submit multiple entries?

Optimizer

no

Anonymous

I had a couple of ideas for the TT challenge, and was wondering if it was allowed to submit them all

Optimizer

yes

there is no obligation to prevent you to answer a question to your fullest

Anonymous

19:31

Ok cool

Anonymous

Good to know

Optimizer

unless the question specifically limits the answers because of the nature of the question spec.

go wild

penguin!

Geobits

I make sure to limit any I post :)

aditsu

do we have an official policy that answers to code-golf challenges should be golfed?

Optimizer

yes

Geobits

19:40

I think it's in the tag wiki as a "minimum".

aditsu

@Geobits can you provide a relevant quote?

Optimizer

"minimum"

"

aditsu

I can't find that word in the info page

Optimizer

me neither

quotes are not helping

geobits-failed-again

Geobits

I can't either. I know I've seen it somewhere, but it's not in the history either.

Something like "at a minimum, extra spaces should be removed and variable names should be one character" or similar.

aditsu

19:45

ah, "Remove unnecessary spaces and new lines"

Geobits

Yea, but I remember seeing it in a stronger form somewhere.

Not just a "suggestion".

aditsu

right..

Optimizer

no meta question either?

aditsu

check out these comments

(with links to 2 meta questions)

Zgarb

There's an old meta question here, but not very helpful: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/25/…

Oh it was already in the comments.

Geobits

19:49

I think I was remembering the Help Center.

> All solutions to challenges should:

1) Correctly implement the required specification.
2) Be a serious contender for the winning criteria in use. For example, an entry to a code golf contest needs to be golfed, and an entry to a speed contest should make some attempt to be fast.

aditsu

aha

Optimizer

yes, help center it was

aditsu

still, the user would rather delete it than golf it... IMO there's no need to delete the answer

Geobits

It's somewhat unfortunate that the second bullet should rule out many, many KotH entries :P

Optimizer

@aditsu i think there has been a common practice to flag such answers as NAA and get them deleted...

Geobits

19:56

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Q: What should count as "not an answer" here?

Lately, I've seen a bunch of poor answers flagged as "not an answer" (NAA) in the flag review list. Such flags seem to be controversial, even among reviewers. For example, at the moment: this answer has two "very low quality" flags, one "not an answer" flag, one automatic "low answer quality ...

discussion policy flags

aditsu

> Neither of your examples qualifies as "Not an Answer."

Geobits

Yea, I meant to point that line out, as that's why I posted the link. Got distracted by someone.

Optimizer

that answer is by a newbie, who probably does not even know how different PPCG is

Digital Trauma

@Dennis Who/what is your avatar? Looks like some UK indie band from the late 80s

Geobits

They are bad answers and may deserve a downvote, but I don't think non-golfed answers should be hastily (or maybe at all) deleted.

Optimizer

19:59

you are just saying this so that you have more stuff to downvote :P

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