ELL's Cabin

Damkerng T.

06:27

in English Language Learners, Aug 27 '13 at 23:02, by Matt

I do not like the implication that questions here are answered because we do not wish to infantilize our questioners - firstly because that is not what I am saying - and secondly because that is the same attitude that some people on ELU have been using as a justification for sending their "trash" questions to ELL (because "this is off-topic here and ELL will answer any awful question, no matter how bad")

Almost two years have passed, everything is still the same.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. What makes you say that?

Damkerng T.

What do you think?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija I realized in comment threads this long that comments are being misused.

Well I agree people aren't being diligent about not answering questions that are likely to get closed.

3 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. What makes you say that?

You didn't tell me.

Oh, look at that round rep!

@snailboat @snailboat!

My rep is exactly 66 hundreds now.

Damkerng T.

Anything we could discuss then, we can discuss it now.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Of course we can.

Sometimes, the problem is EGO.

Damkerng T.

06:41

That's what 'the same' means.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I mean, people on ELU send stuff here because that isn't a "native" English speaker's question.

Damkerng T.

I don't see it as an ego problem. I don't know why you think of it as one.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

While one of the biggest SE mottos is

> Don't. Migrate. Crap.

Damkerng T.

I wouldn't use 'ego' for that, but I understand you.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

The problem in ELLers is that they're not a whole community.

Damkerng T.

06:43

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I remember that I saw it before!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Every person is doing what they want, there isn't any organization.

@DamkerngT. Deja Vu!

Damkerng T.

Hah!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hey is it spelled like that?

Damkerng T.

Yup.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Next ice cream approaching

BTW @Dam I've figured one of the biggest spelling mistakes, on SE at least, is misspelling whether. Guess what people misspell it as.

Damkerng T.

06:46

On SE? Dunno.

The 'whetherman'? :P

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

0

Q: I'm having a hard time figuring out "Categorical Noun"

I like fruit Here, fruit refes to a category called fruit. that's why we use singular form:fruit. I like oranges and apples. oranges and apples refer to two kinds of fruit. I have oranges and apples. I mean I have two fruits. Here, we can use plural form of fruit because it refer...

nouns

Poor guy's having a hard time.

Damkerng T.

That's interesting, though I'm not sure about the term he uses.

It's unclear whether he came up with the idea himself, or his teacher uses it, or he found it in a book.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's always unclear about him.

@Dam I think I'm dreaming.

Damkerng T.

07:05

?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

70

A: How do we encourage edits to obsolete/out of date answers?

My vote is for Obsolete answer. As you have stated, the sorting would stop the new answer from being on top, which means the obsolete info is what the curious guy with the same question will face. This is a big con of adding a new answer, as I've seen lots of better newer answers not getting mor...

+70!!!

OMG

ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Damkerng T.

Congrats!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yayay!

I'm currently in the state of eating an ice cream and freaking out and shedding tears f victory and hoping to get a great answer badge.

It's kinda mixed kinda awesome.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

08:59

Wow @Cat your answers are awesome in Movies & TV.

Don't have an account there though.

Catija

16:16

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Thanks :D You know, it's now really easy to create accounts... just click the "join" button.

But don't join simply to vote for my answers.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija \o

I some kinda feel bad when I create an account for nothing other than voting.

I already have lots of 101 rep accounts . . .

Catija

That's why I said don't do it just to vote. That'd be voter fraud to some extent, anyway. Most of my 101 accounts are from wanting to comment on something.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I know, I never vote-fraud thingies.

But,

I really don't wanna seem like I have something to say somewhere when I clearly don't.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You don't watch movies?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Not really.

Very seldom.

Catija

16:21

Movies are a great way to pick up interesting idiomatic English usages.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Not big enough an excuse.

What the heck?!

0

A: I'm single. That's great! Now, what can I do here again?

Singles need to deal with issues that are specific to singles. Where to find a partner of your age? When to prefer speed dating over dating website? Is a relationship agency a good idea for anyone?

Is this really a viable proposal?

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M No. There's nothing about that site that wouldn't be based on opinion.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Do you have an Area51 account?

Catija

Indeed, I do.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Indeed, I do.

High five

But my identicon is more beautiful.

Catija

16:27

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M HA HA. I've never changed it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Me neither.

Area51 is too creepy for dust-ups.

Catija

What is this "Gravatar" crap? Why can't I just upload the image like always? UGH.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's something word-press-y, IIRC

Catija

Screw that. I'll just leave it. I don't understand why it doesn't just pull in the regular image like all of the other sites. :(

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M So, is there a way to vote to close a proposal or does it simply sit and die?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Only mods can close proposals, I think. We can flag though. Let's flag!

Catija

16:32

I don't see a "flag" option on the proposal... only on the sample questions.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's small. Below the description.

Catija

Ah, got it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh.

K.

Catija

Did you see??? They're fixing my bug!:

5

Q: Image uploader messes up copy/paste function

Clicking outside the image upload entry box to close it kills paste function. System info: FF 39.0 & Chrome Version 43.0.2357.134 (64-bit) on Mac OSX Explanation: Occasionally when I'm using the image uploader to link to images on the web, I will be unable to paste the URL into the entry field...

bug status-completed image-uploader

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yay!

Too bad I vote-capped on meta.SE.

Catija

16:38

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'm such a bad user... I've never hit a vote cap on any site. :(

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No, that means you save yourself lots of frustration.

@Cat I'm gonna write a meta Q tomorrow. Would you upboat it then for me? Puppy eyes

I'm gonna add a discussion about whether if it's a good idea to keep vote limits 40/day for users who have proved they vote a lot.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I will if I think it's a good meta question :) Nothing personal, I don't want to promise and then back out.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But I have to think about pros and cons a lot.

@Catija No probs. I was joking.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Have you looked for prior questions?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm looking.

Catija

16:45

I'd be more likely to agree to that if it were related to rep not voting habits. You're potentially giving some users more power than others. From your short description, it sounds like you're looking for something similar to how the flagging system works? More good flags means you have more flags to use on a daily basis?

The downside is that flags are moderated (except for spam flags), but voting is not. There's no way to really know that someone is voting appropriately.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes.

Agreed.

But for someone like me, who has vote-capped like 40 times in meta, it's really absurd to be in the cages of the same limit.

Catija

Whatever you ask, make sure it's really well researched and you make strong arguments. I know you're just having a discussion but I'm pretty sure there's been a lot of chatter about vote limits in the past, so understanding why those limits are there is really important to any argument you make.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What the? HAHAHA:

39

Q: Daily vote limit reached; vote again just now

Even though this is a very very minor issue, I still think it is an issue. (And I don't think this is a duplicate as the possible duplicate is status-completed while this issue is obviously not status-completed as it happened "just now"). If you have the correct timing when there's a new day on ...

discussion bug wording voting-limits

@Catija Indeed. You make a really nice argument too.

I'm not gonna make an FR, but a discussion.

FRs are really tricky.

Almost all of the regs in meta have tasted -10-somethings or worse.

Catija

Sure, but people will downvote discussions, too... which is why you need to be prepared. :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes, discussions that look rantish or not researched.

I'm gonna be unbiased and put up everything I can as pros and cons. Your argument was very good @Cat.

Catija

16:50

You are more than welcome to use it. I'll think about it some more, too.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Thanks!

I suggest to change this message to "Look, a banana! ...Ok try that again now." — Mat's Mug Mar 9 '14 at 1:23

I really LOL'd at this one.

Catija

That was funny. I guess people really like to sit around and wait to vote right at time time the day changes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, let's think.

What would prove that the person is fully able to vote rightfully?

I'm thinking of stupid things.

Lemme hard refresh my mind.

Catija

Honestly, I think the simple answer is to raise the voting limit at certain rep levels... 5K rep gets you +10 votes. 10K rep gets you +10 votes. Rep is the only way to prove a user is valuable.

Unfortunately, it won't necessarily help voting but less-contributing members of a community.

A community lurker, for example, won't necessarily earn a lot of rep but that doesn't mean that they don't vote on questions/answers that helped them. They use the site more passively than someone who is actively asking and answering questions.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Less-contributing members hardly ever get to vote-cap so much that it gets annoying for them.

@Catija Example is me.

2k of my votes on meta.SE are when I had only 400 rep.

Maybe we could bring comments into play.

@Catija But note that when I was like that vote-capping really didn't annoy me.

It just meant that enough lurking for one day!

-7

Q: Increase vote limits on meta sites

Since voting is different on meta, and meta sites actively promote discussion and expressing your opinions - it is also more frequent to cast a vote as a user. I've seen why is there a voting limit restriction on meta and feel more or less the same. Twice in as many days I've used up my voting ...

feature-request voting-limits

Catija

17:00

I have to run to lunch. Back in an hour or so.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

This has failed.

@Catija TTYL!

I'll just write down my thoughts here.

K.

Cracks knuckles Dear diary . . .

Wow, I'm not the first to think this way:

10

Q: Why is there general opposition to requests to increase post vote limits?

There is a limit of 30-40 post (question/answer) votes per day (What are the limits on how I can cast, change, and retract votes? and Please don't require answer votes to be cast before question votes). I reach that limit often so I came here to hunt for related topics. The reasons for limiting ...

discussion stackoverflow voting voting-limits

Good reading and links there.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:15

But the accepted answer there doesn't have a very strong logic.

@Cat RE new avatar: It looks nice!

Catija

17:53

Thanks! :D

I've had a few people confused about what my avatar is, so I changed it to this one because it's a bit more obvious.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But I'm convinced I won't get upboats.

@Catija It's pretty obvious now. It's a hippo covered in chicken fur.

Catija

I thought of another thing about upvotes... rep is sort of an economic system... most people hoard their rep but, having limited upvotes means a limited amount of rep is entering the system.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Um... chickens don't have fur?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That's why I said chicken fur.

@Catija I was saying we should push the number a little further but I know no matter how sane I look I'm not gonna be popular.

> I am also aware of the fact that, for reasons I don't understand, I am an "exceedingly rare" case (I am at least consistent - I hit the limit around the same time every day that I am active; with ~4-6 hours remaining).

A lot of people don't hit vote-cap. So . . .

Catija

I think part of it is a difference between how some users vote. Some people are very stingy with their upvotes... I won't vote on an answer unless I know it's correct... other people will vote up an answer that "sounds right".

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah, and some people vote 'cuz "i WANNA HAZ SHINY BADGES!!!".

Catija

18:02

The other thing is... I didn't even know there was a voting cap until I saw someone complaining about it on M&TV meta somewhere... I've never hit it, personally. So, I feel the argument "people should have a cap so they are more judicious about how they spend their votes" is assuming that people know there's a cap... I'd guess that a lot of people don't realize it exists.

Damkerng T.

It's a spam, guys!

0

A: What's the meaning of 'valid against' ? - 1963 US

one direction is life and im a proud directioner. GO BUY DRAG ME DOWN ON ITUNES IT IS THE BOMB BRO. ALL MY LIFE YOU STOOD BY ME WHEN NOONE ELSE WAS EVER BEHIND ME ALL THESE LIGHTS THEY CAN'T BLIND ME WITH YOUR LOVE NOBODY CAN DRAG ME DOWN NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY CAN DRAG ME DOWN I GOT A FIRE F...

Hmm... I don't know why the delete button appears only sometimes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Answers have to be some days old to be subjects of deletion.

Damkerng T.

Ohhh I see.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Mods can delete them any time they want though.

Damkerng T.

Thanks!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:09

No probs.

It feels good to know a lot about the system I use. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Damkerng T.

True, that! :D

Catija

I voted to delete.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I think @Dam can too now.

It must be below -3.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I can vote to delete now!

Um... I can't now, 'cause I already voted.

Catija

18:46

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M What is "one boxing"? People are talking about it a lot on SE Meta and I'm not sure what it is.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija The conversion of [tag:i-love-icecream] to i-love-icecream. I think.

Damkerng T.

@Catija You just used it when you pasted a Wikipedia link a short while ago. ;-)

Afaik, one-boxing works for three things: SE Q/A, Wikipedia pages, and books on Amazon.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And comments.

Damkerng T.

Maybe a tweet works too, but I haven't tried it before.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And Stackstatus stuff.

And Area51 proposals.

Damkerng T.

18:49

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Stackstatus?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Like: "We'll get read-only. Hop on!"

Catija

Ok. That makes sense... I'd just never learned the "official" term.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I think I saw it a month ago.

Damkerng T.

19:01

1

Q: Term to say "how much space a specific market has for new sellers"

For example, let's say there is a lot of people demanding furniture but very few sellers, how is the term to say "there's space" / good oportunities due to high demand + little demand satisfaction.

terminology

Frankly, I don't understand the question.

Then again, I think talrnu's answer sounds like what the OP was thinking about.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hah! Where did that come from! I earned Deputy on ELL.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yay!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

0

Q: Should I use having/ have

I can't figure out whthis is a proper sentence I am an Engineer having knowledge in .. Or Is it proper to make it two sentence like I am an Engineer.I have knowledge in...

grammar sentence-construction

Catija

Meatie drama:

0

Q: By/From Most Accounts

I have this question about the usage of variants of "by/from all accounts". "By all accounts" and "from all accounts" are both standard English phrases found in most dictionaries. But on the web, I found: source 1 By most accounts, handshakes started as a way to show that neither person...

grammar meaning usage

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

^ Writing advice.

Catija

19:04

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yeah, that one needs a whole lot of fixing.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija No, I mean the should I use have/having.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I know. So do I.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Cool. I thought for a minute you meant the troll's question.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Meatie is now a troll?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija They've been a troll for a long time. LONG LONG time.

Catija

19:07

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hmmm. I know he asks some very specific questions where he's doing a bit of overthinking but I've never thought of him as a troll.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The way they asked it makes it sound like a writing-advice request. They seem to already know that both alternatives are possible (only the have vs. having thing).

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. I think I need to go to meta. We need a close reason.

@Catija Me neither, just lemme find the link  . . .

Damkerng T.

@Catija A prankster, perhaps? ;-)

Catija

@DamkerngT. Clearly I'm not seeing the questions you guys are. Unless I'm completely oblivious.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija No no, the issue is very old.

Damkerng T.

19:10

It's somewhat similar to Letters from a Nut (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/23170800#23170800).

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I goez for dinner. @Dam find the link for @Cat plzz.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Well... I'm not sure if I will find it!

Y'know I don't find a lot of things I search for. :-)

But I found it this time. @Catija this: meta.ell.stackexchange.com/questions/1120/…

Catija

So, if we know that this user is a troll, why do they not simply ban the account?

I get that they could simply create a new account but...

Damkerng T.

Because "some of them [questions] are a bit clever and may be helpful for the learner"?

Hello, @StoneyB!

Catija

@meatie I believe that is exactly what I didn't say. — snailboat Sep 7 '14 at 2:36

HA HA HA

StoneyB

19:18

Hi, guys. What's shakin?

Catija

Hey @StoneyB :)

Damkerng T.

I think we're talking about the "By/From Most Accounts" question.

Catija

Or, more broadly, we're talking about meatie.

StoneyB

Meatie's double post?

Catija

@StoneyB Yep.

StoneyB

19:21

I think we've now got a link between meatie and LeP, via LeP's alias François Muer.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB \o

@StoneyB You're getting maybe a little too detective-y.

Damkerng T.

I haven't seen questions from saySay for a while too.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

LeP and meatie?

O.O

Catija

@StoneyB Wait.... so they're the same people? I swear I've seen LeP on Movies, too... but I may be confused.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija LeP and Francis may be the same.

But their connection with meatie? O.o

Honestly, I never thought writing advice is on-topic on ELL. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 9 secs ago

StoneyB

19:27

LeP and François/Frank "Muer" are unmistakably the same. Dan Bron called him out on Linguistics. But FM's most recent post here picks up on what was for a couple of months last year meatie's favorite drum to bang, the uses of as.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Um,

WOW.

Just . . . Wow.

Damkerng T.

Ah, I was in one of the as questions.

StoneyB

I was in a bunch of them, and a protracted chat with him.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB Link? Puppy eyes

Catija

@StoneyB I don't know that's definitive. Trolls occasionally mimic each other.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:31

Dang, ELL is cramped up by people who override rules, trolls, people who ignore shouting "this lacks context", people who post in different forums and never respond, people who only ask for "native" advice, etc etc.

I think I may need a break from this site for a while.

StoneyB

@Catija True. But the MOs are very similar. And how many people do you suppose there are who get their jollies from trolling English grammar sites?!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB MO?

If I hear MO I think people mean molecular orbital.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's Latin.

Catija

@StoneyB granted. We're not exactly prime targets... but then, I used to frequent a virtual pet site - that had chat boards - and there were trolls there, too...

StoneyB

Sorry. MO = modus operandi. "Method of operating", typically used of criminals.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:35

Oh.

Moleculus orbitalae.

That explains the downvote on FM's meta post.

Man, you can't just be optimistic about people on ELL.

StoneyB

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Most of that stuff is innocent, or at least venial. But LeP and meatie and FM is/are (a) chronic bloodsucker(s).

Catija

I'm still trying to figure out jihoon.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija A guy who posts on multiple forums.

Who would only accept answers if he needs rep for a bounty.

StoneyB

@Catija I hesitate to ask what happens on virtual pet sites?!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But I believe most of his oversimplifications are innocent.

They're too smart to be trollish.

Damkerng T.

19:38

@Catija I think he is a legit learner, though he seems to contract what I call "language hacking" (i.e. "learning by substitution").

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And, a troll never writes stuff in their profile about me.

Catija

@StoneyB Oh, it's not weird... it's like tamagotchi but on a webpage instead of a thing you carry around. Mostly it's for gaming and it has a digital currency.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB People talk about virtual pets.

Catija

There are a couple of different sites... Neopets.com, Subeta.com...

StoneyB

I think jihoon is a lot like saySay, only with a much more fluent command of the language. They're both mostly concerned with asking "Do I understand this properly?", and the answer is mostly just "Yes".

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:40

SE model says I shouldn't look at who posted the question/answer, I should judge the content. Guess it doesn't hold for ELL.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Honestly, I ignored the pets for the most part. Spent most of my time chatting... SE has replaced it for me now.

StoneyB

@Catija Yah. ELL's been my virtual pet for quite a while now!

Catija

@StoneyB Yeah, I end up commenting on his posts a lot. I feel like he'd be better served to ask in a chat space.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Thanks . . . For acknowledging that I'm entertaining. That @JimR doesn't even do that!

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I promise to pet you on the head every now and then and say you're cute. You're still young enough to need constant reaffirmations.

StoneyB

19:42

Zing!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ಠ_ಠ

Double ಠ_ಠ

Triple ಠ_ಠ

Catija

That's OK. I'm 33 and I still need to be reminded sometimes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Cat @Cat!

@CAT!

StoneyB

Gotta run be conferred with ... bye guys

Catija

@StoneyB Bye!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:43

@StoneyB Bye!

Damkerng T.

Good night!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Cat!

@Catija!

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M What?

Damkerng T.

I still can't figure out what ಠ_ಠ is for!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Your hippo is cute.

@DamkerngT. 007?

Catija

19:44

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Thanks. I'll tell him you said so. :)

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It looks sort of like an angry or intense stare to me.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ಠ_ಠ

It's funny to me actually.

Catija

@DamkerngT. It looks like "forever alone".

Damkerng T.

Argh! That's scary!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Maybe because 200 hits at The Periodic Table.

And counting.

Catija

19:47

Actually, this is what it reminds me of:

Damkerng T.

LOL -- Makes sense!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Poor guy has really gone viral.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Honestly, I really like the facepalm ones.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Huh?

Catija

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:49

Which ones?

Oh.

Damkerng T.

@Catija Like it!

Can't recall the scene though. It looks funny anyway. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Make it so.

Catija

20:05

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Ping!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Cat ping!

@Cati ping.

@Catij ping!

@Catija PING!

Catija

Doesn't bother me. I have the audio turned off @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Me too.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M So why are you yelling about Dam pinging you?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija For the sake of fun.

He likes to be yelled at.

He told me.

Damkerng T.

20:07

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Ahem! That's not true. :-)

Damkerng T.

23:10

Except in the narrowest technical sense, you have nailed it. (Actually, which is the subject/object in these cases; it is a 'variable' whose 'value' is the main clauses. But that's grammatical pettifoggery.) — StoneyB 20 hours ago

I wonder if there is any better answer than StoneyB's comment or just "Yes, you're right."

(without diverging into the whole explanation of the usage of which)

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