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A: "Had been checked and then" vs "Had been checked before"

user21291Please find the below which had been checked all things located in board room 6th floor B wing

Huh?
Anonymous
I agree with "huh?"
07:47
"How can I improve my vocabulary? - You can watch any English movies and you can read any English books." - the sentence looks strange but I am not able to explain why.
I would substitute it with "all kinds of English movies".
But in Russian (the language of the author) any would be a-okay.
I would delete both anys.
('anys' looks funny!)
@DamkerngT. But the author wants to stress that you can watch just any English movie you want and this will improve your vocabulary
nods -- Another way I think possible is "You can watch any English movies you like. You can read any English books you want to read."
@CopperKettle Hi!
@user62015 HI!
07:55
And thanks for corrections.
@DamkerngT. Thanks!
I want to ask you something, if you don't mind?
@user62015 You're welcome!
@user62015 Fire away!
Sounds good.
Welcome! I think the problem was that the writer wanted to emphasize any X you want but used only any.
07:58
@DamkerngT. Because in Russian any suffices on its own
Ahh
I think it's sort of okayish in English, too.
@user62015 What did you want (have you wanted?) to ask?
Let me ask you. The corrections you made, did you find any grammar mistake there? I am asking because the way I write the sentences it comes from Indian English. And it (Indian English) has a little bit touch of Hindi, I meant to say the way we make sentences those are not natural sometimes compare to native-English speakers, because we think differently than native-English speakers.
@CopperKettle Please correct me here as well. -:)
I want to make my written English strong becasue I want to do writing for some time.
@user62015 Yes I did find some grammar mistakes, but generally the texts are great. I myself make grammar mistakes left and right - only it's not Hindi but Russian that warps my grammar circuitry
@user62015 some minor mistakes, like "play a football match" instead of "play in a football match"
@user62015 And probably Indians use the word as in lieu of because very often
"Play a football match" Sounds fine to me. Could you we ask @DamkerngT. this question?
08:06
"One day he got home late as he went to play a football match. " - seemed strange to me..
I think I may say "play football with friends".
Calling it a match sounds strange to me.
@CopperKettle I read novels and all are the American writers. I think, I learnt this word from there.
If that was an official event, we Russians would say "He participated in a football match"
@user62015 To my mind, only a whole team (or two teams even) can "play a football match"
@DamkerngT. @CopperKettle Normally, I would say "went to play football". It sounds more natural.
@CopperKettle When I wrote I had the same thing in mind.
There was a great writer named Joseph Conrad who whote beautifully but still made grammatic and stylistic mistakes because he was a Pole
(off to make some tea)
08:09
I agree.
@user62015 "Went to play" is okay.
@DamkerngT. @CopperKettle "Went to play football?"
Yes. Went to play football is okay, too.
Thanks.
No problem.
08:13
@DamkerngT. Would you like to have some lunch?
Eh? No, not yet, but maybe soon. :D
13 hours ago, by CopperKettle
@DamkerngT. The writer wrote as follows: "John was eleven. He lived with his family. One day he got home late as he went to play a football match. When he came back home his father was very angry with him because he had gone without informing his dad."
13 hours ago, by Tiny Giant
An eleven-year-old John, who lived with his family, came home late one day because he played a football match, his father was very angry with him for going out without asking.
Hi @DamkerngT.
13 hours ago, by Catija
I think this is how I'd say it: One day he got home late because he'd been playing in a football match.
Hi @Man_From_India!
I would like to have some lunch.
But I'm fasting. I can't. :(
The importance of postdeterminer is understood in this expressions - no less than, I think :-)
08:15
o/ @Man!
@M.A.Ramezani Please wait, I am sending you the ticket in a few seconds for India.
Hi @M.A.Ramezani...
@Man_From_India That didn't ping me.
Me: One day, John, an eleven-year-old boy who lived with his family, came home late because he had so much fun playing football with his friends that he lost track of time.
@M.A.Ramezani Sounds great. I am sure, you will the Indian food.
@DamkerngT. Sounds good.
08:17
Yes, but it's not you. I mean, it sounds more like me than you.
@DamkerngT. I agree.
@DamkerngT. I think, it depends how we think. What we think we write that.
nods -- Yes.
@DamkerngT. That's why I ask them to give me grammar mistakes because thinking can't be the same for all of us.
One problem for me to proofread a piece of writing is that I'm not 100% sure about some marginal sentences.
I mean, I can rephrase it into something I'm more sure that it'd be safer.
@DamkerngT. I agree.
08:20
But it will change the structure of the sentence.
For example, this is grammatical: "Tom played football with his friends. He won a gold medal."
But if I read it, I will ask myself, how could he win a medal by just playing football with his friends?
And I may do one of a few possible things.
I may try to repair the missing context by adding a sentence (which may change the story!)
I may try to invent a context in my mind that makes the story make sense to me (but it may be yet another story!)
Or I may ignore the story completely, and try to focus only on the grammar stuff. (But for the reader, the story may not make much sense!)
08:42
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Q: What does" economic drive" means here?

nimaThese systems are not typically designed to protect individual privacy, but since these services are typically free there is a strong economic drive for the service providers to harvest at least some information about their user's activities on the site in order to sell that information to advert...

I'm getting sick of Nima putting those enter your link description heres there.
Oh \o/ @Oer!
OMG look at my rep. . .
I have to downvote an answer somewhere.
Hullo @M.A.Ramezani :)
Hullo!
How you be?
@DamkerngT. I am back.
More or less rested, and sampling my extract of Coffea arabica.
What time is it there?
@user62015 Hullo back! I'm M.A.
08:58
It's almost 11 am here
@M.A.Ramezani Hi! It's 2:28 pm.
Which translates to "bloody early for a Saturday"
@oerkelens Oh, so you're currently in Europe?
@M.A.Ramezani I live here, and the holidays are over, so, yes. :P
Our holidays have just BEGUN.
MWAHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA cough cough cough
I'm getting old.
09:00
Well, holidays have just begun here, but I went on a trip just before the season.
Which has its advantages :)
It's kinda fun to be the only two guests in a hotel :)
@CopperKettle @DamkerngT. Match is a countable noun. Please check this link macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/match_1 So, I think "went to play a football match" makes sense.
09:25
Play a football match makes sense.
09:44
@M.A.Ramezani @DamkerngT. Anyone there?
09:55
Hi @user62015
@user62015 That is a correct sentence.
10:26
@Man_From_India Thanks.
10:59
@user62015 Uh sorry, I was here all along, but I ran into a malware that ate up my connection.
@M.A.Ramezani Sorry to hear that.
Nah, I cleared cookies, Chrome is running like a charm now.
@M.A.Ramezani Sounds good.
Could you help me out with something?
Thanks. I have good knowledge of indirect and direct speech, but when should I use "say, told, asked, order, explain"?
11:04
Well, just when they make sense.
If a guy only gave you one single sentence, he hasn't explained anything.
Any formal?
What do you mean?
Any short key?
If you're unsure about what to say, use told.
Also asked me if works good too.
Thanks.
11:07
Don't mention it.
Here is a question for you, as I am not able to understand. My answer for the question was right but I don't understand it.
"I got the message while I was waiting at the bus stop."
You got two options:
ELL's cabin is now the official ELL chatroom. For more info, jump off a cliff, and ping M.A. in the air.
2
He told me that....
Okay, we will discuss later.
And?
@user62015 I'm listening.
Thanks, please wait, I am going to paste the options.
11:11
Ahan.
"He got the message while he was waiting at the bus stop."
Or "He had got the message while he has been waiting at the bus stop."
Hmm the first one is better to my ears.
Did he get the message before waiting at the bus stop?
I also chose the first one, but in the indirect speech, we have to change the tense.
That's why I am confused.
Oh you mean the whole sentence is He told me that he got the message while. . .?
11:16
Hmm, the second one is really fuzzy to my ears, because past perfect and present perfect continuous don't sound well with each other.
@user62015 Wait you misquoted it!
> He had got the message while he has had been waiting at the bus stop.
There are no rules saying the first message is wrong, and it isn't, but I'm thinking they had the second one as the answer in their mind.
I am back.
I think, the first one is the asnwer.
Well yeah, it's perfectly grammatical; but so is two.
Unless there's something subtle to it, and @Dam would love to point that out.
Ahem I said @Dam would love to point that out.
11:41
Once again, I doubt answers on such a website.
Once again, I agree with @Dam.
It looks like someone read in a grammar book "When (blah blah ...) you may not (backshift ...)" as "When (blah blah ...) you must not ..."
Exactly!
English is flexible. However, some idiotic textbooks insist on the existence of non-existent rules.
@user Iranian learners and teachers specially teachers suffer from this phenomenon.
@Dam you remember the world record's case?
@M.A.Ramezani Only vaguely.
Well, it was the case where my teacher gave me a -1 since he believed the world record is wrong and it should be the world's record.
11:52
Ah, I can remember it now!
Idiot. (Don't worry, I'm merely insulting my teacher)
I know it wasn't for me, and even if it may be reasonable I'd suggest not thinking of your teacher that way. Or at least try not to.
Just an opinion, anyway.
Heh! Things I've said to him in my heart are. . .a bit more colorful than that.
o/ @oer. Talk with @Dam while I play 3s hd.
I will have to leave in a while... social obligations, sorry
12:09
No probs.
user116848
13:07
Okay, I just jumped off the cliff and pinged @M.A.Ramezani. Nothing happened and I fell.
Was it fun?
user116848
Yes.
user116848
I mean no, I mean yes... Can't make up my mind.
> No -> Do it again.
> Yes -> Welcome to the ELL's cabin. For further assistance, press 1.
user116848
okay I am pressing 1.
13:09
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user116848
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user116848
See, nothing.
user116848
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13:10
hehe
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user116848
No thank you.
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user116848
13:15
@CopperKettle I saw your question. "Has written" and "wrote" both seem okay to me.
Hi, @Arrowfar! I had doubts while proofreading so I decided to ask.
user116848
@CopperKettle I see. Yeah good question.
user116848
You can also say: "Dostoyevsky a famous Russian writer has written Crime and Punishment".
user116848
Without the need for is or was.
I would need a couple of commas then.
13:21
That. ^
A famous writer would be an appositive.
user116848
Yeah of course. But people who are good at reading can parse it without commas.
user116848
Parsing becomes automatic for some.
But the standard syntax is the one with commas.
user116848
Yeah.
user116848
@CopperKettle Do you translate stuff from Russian to English?
13:26
@Arrowfar YEs
user116848
And other languages too?
@Arrowfar No, I know no other languages.. I knew some 50 Hindi words, but I've forgotten them.
user116848
ah
I should become a translator.
That translates Persian to PerE.
@Copper I'd say if you faced the has written sentence in an article, then it's perfect and natural.
@M.A.Ramezani nods
user116848
13:33
@CopperKettle At school level we used to get many Urdu to English translations in exams and I always sucked at them because when you translate from one language to another there can be many possibilities and some teachers didn't believe this.
user116848
Ah, well, some teachers gave good marks because they thought otherwise.
@CopperKettle How is going there?
@Arrowfar Indeed.
@M.A.Ramezani Hi!
user116848
13:46
@user62015 Hi! o/
@M.A.Ramezani "He went to play a football match", does it sound odd to you? We had a small discussion on it a few hours ago. It sounds fine to me. What do you think?
@Arrowfar Hi! How are you doing?
user116848
@user62015 I am okay, thanks. How are you?
@Arrowfar Sounds good. I am great.
@Arrowfar Where are you from?
user116848
@user62015 I'm from Pakistan.
@Arrowfar Sounds good. Learning English?
user116848
13:50
@user62015 Yes, I'm improving it.
@Arrowfar Yes, I can see that. What do you do for a living?
user116848
@user62015 I am studying to be a Chartered Accountant. And you?
user116848
I'm more than halfway there but you never know, it is a difficult field.
user116848
I come here in my free time and have some fun.
@user62015 The sentence's good; but the meaning's odd.
You go to a place, not to a play.
13:56
@M.A.Ramezani You meant to say it doesn't make sense, right?
@Arrowfar I am a student.
user116848
Great!
@user62015 It does make some sense, but is unusual.
14:57
@M.A.Ramezani I agree.
 
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Anonymous
16:01
@Arrowfar sure i imagine any native speaker could read it without the commas you can read lots of stuff even stuff like this without any punctuation but its harder to read and i imagine most people would call it incorrect
Anonymous
Using commas is a favor to your reader. They don't have to do as much work to read it that way. :-)
Well said!
Couldn't have said it in a better way @snail.
Actually badly punctuated stuff reminds me of homework vampires.
 
2 hours later…
18:33
Hey all!
All hey!
Hello!
(in AusE) How are you going?
I'm going like a charm!
(PerE)
18:45
:D
Hmm... Jim comes to answer questions on ELL sometimes, but I haven't seen him chat here lately.
Dang you @Jim! Why don't you come to chat and eat us for a change? I haven't been eaten for a while.
Maybe he's still too busy.
Whee another self-learner badge! This time on meta.chem!
Congrats!
19:10
@CopperKettle Hi!
O.o What?
@M.A.Ramezani Nothing. I just wrote something. Need someone to have a look on it.
I looked at it. Where's my money?
@M.A.Ramezani Send me your account's details. I will send it soon.
@Dam would you give me your account details? We need it for an experiment.
19:14
That sounds interesting... I may open a Paypal account and you pay me there. :P
Do it.
For science.
For honor.
For love.
For Robots!
Woo that's a nice rep. . . 5566
Looks nice.
2 • 11^2 • 23
19:52
@Copper you have no idea how much I enjoyed VTC'ing your question.
20:04
I still think we don't have a really good answer for that.
> X is a famous Russian writer. He has written Y.
> The Chinese invented printing.
They are not quite the same thing.
@M.A.Ramezani Mmm, satisfying.
But from a native speaker's point of view, they may look like the same thing.
@M.A.Ramezani Mind a link?
20:06
Now what is that?
What, the notorious frowning emoticon? c:
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Q: "Dostoyevsky is a Russian writer. He has written Crime and Punishment." - or is it "he wrote"?

CopperKettleWhich of the two sentences would look more natural in this short text: Dostoyevsky is a famous Russian writer. He has written Crime and Punishment. or Dostoyevsky is a famous Russian writer. He wrote Crime and Punishment. There's no specific time expression in sentence 2, and "Crime a...

Cheers!
I parsed it as a notorious something that the compiler doesn't compile successfully.
(BrE)
@M.A.Ramezani Haha ;p
Now we know the secret!
MAR is a robot!
20:09
No, I'm a molecule.
Sheesh people are so dumb! Just look at my selfie!
Realizes this could all be a dramatic lie. . .
He could be a nano-robot, designed to pester @Dam with his jokes. . .
Panic attack
is convinced of conspiracy
Darn! Who upgoated me and ruined my rep?!!!1one111!!!
@HarryCBurn I blame @Jim.
Wait. . . Who's @Jimsug?
A quite active user last year.
Ahan. But why did his avatar suddenly appear?
Eh, I haven't seen him here.
20:13
Try pinging him.
20:51
@M.A.Ramezani Everyone blames @Jim!
Even @Jim.
Even @jimsug.
;)
 
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22:41
@HarryCBurn You rang? ;)
@M.A.Ramezani I don't think I upvoted you on anything, but if you really object, I can try to find some of your posts to downvote? ;)
22:54
@jimsug o/
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