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00:25
It's 5:00 a.m. here.
I think I should sleep.
You should!
Good morning, by the way. :-)
Did you even sleep @Dam?
I've slept a few hours. Maybe I'll have some more sleep today. :-)
Oh, the surveillance box is interesting!
Hah? IE is the most used browser in the US?
00:33
They've put some thoughts, but things like this, you'll never get them right.
@DamkerngT. I dunno but I think so. Ron uses IE11.
I thought it would've been either Firefox or Safari. Maybe Chrome.
Well, considering the fact that there are many, many Mac users there...
Ah, who cares?
I don't wanna think at the moment.
The thing right at the North Pole in the map is interesting too!
@DamkerngT. Oh that's the most interesting thing about internet.
I like it that they put Incompatibility Mountains in the map!
I guess Bitcoin and friends must be somewhere in the map, but I don't know where.
00:39
Yeah great! They include porn.com!
The whole continent!
Oh Bitcoin Vault is near the porn continent.
3
Q: Is it grammatically correct to say or to write "some brain"?

Fabio CibecchiniIn oral speech or writing, it is grammatically correct to say "let's eat some brain"? Could you please give me some example of a more correct form of this kind of expression?

Eww...!
Oh, they have SO!
Where?!
I'm proud of yourself.
@DamkerngT. A little above Google.
Found it! Thanks!
00:42
It's an island, neighboring quora.
Don't mention it!
Gmail looks rather small in the map.
Wow! 9Gag is that big!?
Give it a rest. It's an ancient map.
LOL
When was it made?
December 2013 April 1st, 1378.
LOL
Hmm... What 18-month old or newer stuff should be added to the map?
00:47
Chem.SE graduated.
Hehe!
Maybe also iWatch.
You watch?
No, iWatch. :P
Watch what? Porn.com?
Ah, that's probably not good for you, I think.
00:49
You think.
iThink!
It increases productivity.
Could ruin your Olympiadiness.
OK this is totally one of the symptoms of lackinsleepia.
Kay I'm off to sleep!
Sleep well!
 
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07:03
I followed a link given by @Man_From_India (in this answer), some examples look weird.
> Predicates in modern theories of syntax and grammar: [...] This understanding of predicates sometimes renders a predicate and its arguments in the following manner:
> Bob laughed. → laughed (Bob) or, laughed = ƒ(Bob)
> Sam helped you. → helped (Sam, you)
> Jim gave Jill his dog. → gave (Jim, Jill, his dog)
So far, so good (read "understandable").
> [...] Other function words - e.g. auxiliary verbs, certain prepositions, phrasal particles, etc. - are viewed as part of the predicate.[9] The matrix predicates are in bold in the following examples:
> Bill will have laughed.
> Will Bill have laughed?
> That is funny.
> Has that been funny?
> They had been satisfied.
> Had they been satisfied, ...
> The butter is in the drawer.
They don't include 'the drawer'. Hmm...
> Fred took a picture of Sue.
What? They include 'a picture'! Hmm...
> Susan is pulling your leg.
And 'leg' too? Hmm...
> Who did Jim give his dog to?
But not 'dog'. What's wrong with 'dog'?! Poor 'dog'!
> You should give it up.
Good advice!
08:03
yes @DamkerngT. that part (texts below the line where u said it is understandable) is really confusing :(
I believe in the sentence -
> He will play the game.
"play" itself is a part of predicate.
in that sentence "will play" is predicate. and "play" is a complement of "will".
I think play is an argument of the linguistic predicate will play.
> willPlay(He, the game)
Arguably, one can read it like this:
> willPlayTheGame(He)
as far as i know "play" is not an argument here. but u are correct in the quote. "will play" has "he" and "the game" as argument. that is argument structure. i believe that is what linguists call it.
Though I think it's unlikely, but I may be wrong. This linguistic predicate is new to me.
In a book I was reading sometime back, they even was making argument structure of an adjectives.
i have no knowledge about all these things
the answer I wrote is based on very little knowledge I got from Wikipedia and theta theory I read briefly long back :-)
nods -- I'm not sure how stable the field is (i.e. how perfectly the linguists are in agreement with others).
@Man_From_India This is the first I've heard of it
08:14
See this predicate, arguments, compliments are very confusing, at least to me. They are used to mean different things :( I just hope grammarians stuck to only one definition :(
(BYW, I think the syntax tree is very Western-ish. The tree is highly focused on the verb.)
@Man_From_India I think what we really need is a good set of the definitions of these terms.
I think there is a reason. The verb is most stable thing of a sentence, I mean they change position less often than other constituents of a sentence :)
(As far as I can tell, it's rather confusing on that Wikipedia page.)
@Man_From_India Nah. I disagree that it's the only way we can think.
True...i am on mobile and my mobile chrome is giving me limited functionality here :-(
I'm on my iPad too!
I think Oriental languages focus more on "topic", not the "verb".
08:18
i wish i used chat app :) still that is a bit better. btw r u using the app?
Nope.
My thumbs are a little in pain. :P
An example of how Oriental languages work: Food? I don't really care.
Now, try to write that in one English sentence.
Installed apps :)
(Or maybe something more cheerful: ELL? I love it! :-)
I don't really care about food.
@Man_From_India Yes, we can do that, but it loses the sense of the original phrasing.
08:28
that's true...it looses the stress.
So I think it's not very surprising that many Asian languages don't require a copula verb in many constructions. Because "verb" doesn't come first.
 
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10:42
1
Q: meaning of "could be expected of"

memoir readerI'm reading an article about diary writing in the nineteenth century. It says: "While a mountain of minutiae could be expected of most amateurs, on the contrary, keeping a diary helped novelist Virginia Woolf (1882– 1941) cut loose. Her hand moved over the page faster than her mind could cens...

It looks like careless row labeling on that site.
(or naming, titling, etc.)
Earnings Per Share
                      This Quarter  Next Quarter  This Fiscal   Next Fiscal
# of Estimates        35.00         33.00         38.00         38.00
Mean Estimate         0.04          0.06          0.33          0.65
High Estimates        0.09          0.11          0.47          0.99
Low Estimates         0.00          0.01          0.19          0.34
Coefficient Variance  41.92         48.23         19.97         23.87
Why 'Mean Estimate'?
Also, why do # of Estimates need decimal points?
What does mean mean here?
'Greedy estimate'?
I guess it works like this. (This is actually quite popular in stock trading. It's like herd behavior.)
In order to predict EPS (earning per share)...
EPS is image file format!
instead of doing an analysis and predict the value them self, a broker would collect the analysis reports published by various analysts.
Let's say that they can collect 35 reports that mentioned the EPS for this quarter of this stock...
The theory is, the mean value would be sort of a reliable prediction.
10:56
Stock trading is a strange thing...
You mean thingy.
Nobody really knows what's going to happen next...
so, staying with the herd usually means "safe".
It's a big jungle.
Yes. And nobody really care how much the real value of a stock is.
They only care how much others think it's worth.
@M.A.Ramezani Between Scheherazade and Shahrazad, which spelling do you prefer?
The latter.
11:10
I see. Thanks!
Why do you ask? You're asking so many interesting Qs!
I was reading something and ran into the word. :-)
(I couldn't recognize Scheherazade at first glance.)
Actually, the first one sounds very weird to me @Dam.
To me too!
It might exist as natural utterance in one of the bizarre accents of Isfahan villages.
11:12
The Thai translation sounds closer to the latter.
nods
 
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12:20
1
Q: Have/had crisis deepen

AmD This year we have economic crisis deepen in our country. This year we had economic crisis deepen in our country. Are they both grammatical and sensical? If yes, then how do you read both examples? I am interested in your interpretation.

Does economic crisis deepen itself?
I thought -
> We have our economic crisis deepened this year.
Not very sure, so asking for comment about the original sentence.
I think it's a bit like "when things get worse". It might sound odd that it seems like things or situations can worsen by themselves, but that's probably how English work.
If it helps, I'd suggest reading it like "change" or "become".
I wonder if we need an article before "economic crisis".
 
2 hours later…
14:41
It would most conventionally be something like, Our country's economic crisis has deepened this year.
:-)
@M.A.Ramezani Are you here?
I'm everywhere.
Hullo @Jim!
Long time no see. I miss your eating my head off.
Runs toward M. with open arms.
Punches him.
Tank you!
14:44
Biting. We say biting!!
0
Q: Can the word "bikini" refer to the bottom part of the bikini swimsuit?

alexaThe Oxford dictionary gives only two meanings for the word "bikini": the atoll and the 2-piece swimsuit. But I think that sometimes this word refers to the underpants only and not the entire suit. Is it a correct use or am I missing something?

This question is @Jim-oriented.
@Dam ping!
Bikini bottom.
@JimReynolds Yes. I wonder why the OP had to use we have.
Hello, @Jim!
I hope you're doing fine!
14:45
Can say We have a deepening economic crisis.
No, not just fine. Great!
@JimReynolds That makes sense.
I am. Thanks. Same to youze guyzes.
But it's not like We have our house painted.
I didn't expect to be this busy.
14:47
@JimReynolds Busy crying?
No. At least not exactly like that.
Wah.
Now I need to eat pasta. That's happy busy.
Nom, nom...
Oh hi @JimReynolds
After a long time...how r u?
Good evening @DamkerngT.
Heh. I just had lunch. Rice and lentil.
@Man_From_India Hullo!
@Man_From_India Good evening!
14:49
HI @M.A.Ramezani
Hydrogen Iodide?
@Man_From_India Watch you legs! Jim is leaning toward you!
*your
What is lentil? R u having lunch in your hostel canteen?
@DamkerngT. hahhaa scary :D
@Man_From_India It's lentil!
14:52
Lentils. Yum!!!
I just checked what Jim has to say about that "have economy crisis deepen" question, but I didn't see any good answer against that question yet :-(
We had it deepen is grammatical, but not a common way to express the idea.
Isn't dal . . . dahl (?) made from lentils?
I think it's an important food in India. In the south maybe?
oh yes...daal is lentil? may be. May vocabulary is not good :-)
Jim, I saw u have written an answer about have sb do sth construction in ELU
yes it means u have sb, who will do sth
but here the meaning the sentence - have the economy crisis deepen - conveys is very strange, at least to me.
Not strange at all to me though.
We say have Jim eat Mar is acceptable to me, but economic crisis? :O not very sure. Dam also said it's fine.
15:01
Jim can't eat a cyclohexane.
Specially if it's a chair cyclohexane.
break it apart in different parts, and then gobble it :D digest in second :D
15:12
Well, like we are having a hot summer.
We had a good day.
The heat wave kills my love for biking.
Sweat, mister!!
Nah it's not just about the sweat.
Well, I can't stay now, but it's great to see you guys!
Have fun crying!
15:21
@JimReynolds Glad to see you again. Hope to see you again soon!
 
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user116848
18:38
Hi
user116848
I like the band "Two Steps from Hell".
user116848
Been listening.
Hullo @Arrow!
@Arrowfar I love 'em!
user116848
Hi @M.A.Ramezani!
Thomas Burgersen...Or Burgerson...
user116848
18:40
@M.A.Ramezani Kewl! Me too.
The guy is an epic music monster!
I mean in a good way.
user116848
Yes he is.
user116848
Two Steps from Hell is an American music production company based in Los Angeles, California, founded by Nick Phoenix and Thomas J. Bergersen in 2006. The company focuses predominantly in movie and trailer music, and has supplied tracks to films such as Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean and X-Men. == History == Two Steps from Hell was founded in 2006 when Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix joined forces to write original music for movie trailers. Bergersen moved from Trondheim, Norway to the United States in 2003, along with Phoenix, who began composing in 1997, before moving to Los Angeles...
Sen.
I'm currently xkcding.
user116848
Which is?
user116848
ah, him. I remember.
user116848
18:58
Fast and the Furious 7 soundtrack:
user116848
Btw zillions of websites are banned in Pakistan, including youtube. It was not like this few years ago.
user116848
But they haven't yet banned facebook here.
user116848
Everyone uses proxies.
@Arrowfar They're learning...
From Iran's gov.
user116848
19:01
Yeah, haha.
user116848
Islamic issues I know.
Too many.
They're getting on my nerves, really pedantic.
user116848
Well, I am a good muslim too alhamdulliah but I think they took all the fun away. Dont' you agree?
What if I wanna watch a video about a chemical reaction?
Why should I be disallowed?
user116848
Exactly my point.
user116848
19:05
I hate the government sometimes. Everyone does.
user116848
I mean they haven't banned facebook in Pakistan and I know the reason why?
In Iran, they filter stuff, then sell antifilters.
Guess not many people are real Muslims anymore...
user116848
They say the elites will never give up facebook here in Pakistan and I have seen it. Especially females, they are crazy about facebook.
user116848
I mean facebook is duh.
user116848
They should ban the facebook and lift the ban on Youtube.
19:07
Never been to.
And I never got the hype about gathering likes.
Mostly because I'm not a rep whore anymore in SE.
user116848
Me neither. Everything is likey likey there. No dislike button.
user116848
I am not a rep whore myself on SE.
user116848
I just come here to discuss my life, hehe.
user116848
And of course answer questions sometimes.
Well I think the rep whores are the main problems of chem.SE now.
user116848
19:10
@M.A.Ramezani Yeah very few.
user116848
Btw ISIS has reached the city I live in. It is scary.
user116848
I know, right? O.0
Oh, then you have to act fast.
Grab that laser gun below your bed.
user116848
Haha.
user116848
19:15
They found Bin Laden in Pakistan. Now this. Argh!
user116848
I mean they are giving us a bad name.
The world is giving middle east a bad name.
user116848
Yes it is.
Can you believe it? @Dam thought I approved ISIS the other day!
user116848
When? Where?
19:17
Dunno...
user116848
heh!
Let me find it...
user116848
It is okay :)
user116848
I like Middle east but I will never move there.
user116848
I mean Arabs there pay a lot if you have the right qualification.
user116848
19:19
Dubai and such.
user116848
I have travelled to Saudia Arabia though. Like four times :-)
@Arrowfar I hate Saudi Arabia. Except Mecca of course.
user116848
Oh
user116848
I see your point though.
19:23
Well, political relations explain everything.
user116848
I know. I talk very freely about this topic in the ELU chat though.
user116848
I mean in the past.
user116848
I had a discussion in ELU about IS. Do you want to read it? It is all a ramble though.
I'm interested, and I have popcorn ready, so...Link!
user116848
But a warning: That might make me look like a jihadist :)
user116848
19:25
Just joking.
user116848
Let me find...
user116848
Well, I reasoned for and against ISIS there. A UK guy was debating in a friendly manner there so I gave my arguments.
user116848
I am a noob on this topic though.
user116848
But all in a friendly manner.
Well the mess you saw in that chat search was my debate.
user116848
19:28
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 19:23, by Arrowfar
@Jez Yeah. But there was no ISIS when their countries were intact, was there?
With a guy from Finland.
user116848
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 18:59, by Arrowfar
People whose countries are being destroyed like Iraq, Syria etc. they make a coalition/group like ISIS.
Reading
user116848
okay
user116848
Btw feel free to disagree.
19:29
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 19:00, by Arrowfar
Because people are bent on taking revenge from everyone. Well, it is my theory.
War brings lack of education. Lack of education brings immaturity. Immaturity brings petty revenges.
user116848
exactly.
user116848
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 18:46, by Arrowfar
The problem here is lack of education in the country. Which is directly proportional to the poverty level here. I mean I am not rich either, but it takes some motivation to change one's situation here.
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 19:03, by Jez
like not being indoctrinated into a religion
Religion is something you choose, not something you're indoctrinated into.
user116848
I know.
user116848
I didn't say anything though.
user116848
19:35
I wanted to debate politely ;-)
Yes. I wanted to say I don't like people like that.
Anyways, you might be interested in...
in The Periodic Table, Apr 24 at 12:18, by MARamezani
@Martin I always separate science and religion.
user116848
reading...
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 19:27, by Arrowfar
So everything is fucked up in the world.
I wish I could star that.
user116848
:)
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 19:39, by Jez
@Arrowfar im talking about people who join ISIS whose countries haven't been destroyed... unless of course those people feel that "their country" is not the country they immigrated into. which underlines my belief that immigrants need to integrate, and multiculturalism is a broken idea.
When you believe in something, you'll die to keep that thing flourishing.
user116848
19:43
Other guy pegged me at the end I think.
user116848
I was a bit reluctant to go all jihadist there.
user116848
chuckles
I'll defend my fundamentals, but won't try to change their mindset in the first day.
user116848
Yeah.
They've been fed rubbish since they understood what Iran and ISIS and Syria and Talliban are, so it'll take just as much time to undo the brainwash.
user116848
19:46
I agree.
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 19:57, by Jez
@Arrowfar i don't really agree. i think multiculturalism makes many western muslims much more "fertile recruiting ground" for the likes of ISIS
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 19:50, by Arrowfar
@Jez ISIS has their own ingenious ways of recruiting people. That has nothing to do with multiculturalusm and muslims in the west.
I agree with both.
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 20:03, by Jez
@Arrowfar not when 60% of UK muslims want death for apostasy (or something like that), and sharia
Unbelievable!
Someone kills 30 children and buries them in his backyard.
Doesn't that damn human deserve death?
Sorry @Aaron and @Delfino!
(Not really)
I'm blowing off steam here.
in English Language & Usage, May 31 at 20:17, by Jez
@Arrowfar the fact that you're nervous about discussing it kind of underlines my point about how "peaceful" Islam is.
Sigh
user116848
I know.
user116848
I felt bad too.
user116848
I have many good arguments believe me.
user116848
But I was reluctant I don't know why?
19:55
I'm also reluctant about discussing this stuff.
But that's only because I respect other (Non-Muslim) people's point of view.
user116848
Me too, I respect non muslims, like always, that's why I was a bit lenient.
user116848
He told me to come on some Youtube Islamic show. I said "no way"
Ya know @Arrow, I'm pretty sure you felt they were gonna see you as unreasonable if you insisted on your means.
@Arrowfar Wut is dat?
user116848
in English Language & Usage, May 27 at 21:50, by Jez
@Arrowfar it would be good if you could come on the youtube Jiinn & Tonic show
user116848
Read this day's messages. You will get full story on Pakistan.
user116848
19:58
It was me Robusto and Jez that day.
user116848
It was fun talking with them.
user116848
I was discussing my country:
user116848
in English Language & Usage, May 27 at 18:55, by Arrowfar
It is just in the drone attacks many innocent people die. I never get that.
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