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12:53 AM
anecdotally, homepage looks like good (ok a lot better still a handful of crap) content for a change. correlation? definitely causation!
 
 
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4:34 AM
So anyone updated Duga with the new site name yet?
 
Hey all!
Congrats on the new name/design being shipped, looks very cool!
 
Thank you
 
@CandiedOrange @SimonForsberg See above WRT @Duga
 
With Regards To
Simon is the creator of @Duga so I was pinging him to let him know
 
4:47 AM
Ah now the penny drops.
 
Sorry for the confusion :p
 
Looks like he's more active on codereview
 
Yeah he's a moderator on CR. We make heavy use of Duga there, the features you guys use were actually first originally designed for CR then adapted/expanded for your site :)
 
Yeah? What's Duga do for CR?
 
Couple different things. For one, and most importantly, Duga polls Stack Overflow comments that mention CR (or its domain) and we use it to push back on bad migration/cross-post suggestions
in The 2nd Monitor, 4 hours ago, by Duga
I would recommend posting your question to codereview.stackexchange.com, since it was made for these types of questions. — Maikflow 52 secs ago
 
4:55 AM
That's what we use it for here.
 
Right
Ours is much more simple since it's just blindly matching characters
I think yours has some fancy probability thing or some other computer learning to eliminate the noise caused by very frequent use of the word "programmers"
Another thing is to inform us of possibly answer-invalidating edits
 
ah, makes sense. Code reviews are probably not mentioned as much as programmer
 
in The 2nd Monitor, 12 hours ago, by Duga
possible answer invalidation by bstipe on question by bstipe: http://codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/144024/revisions
 
Ah, haven't seen that here.
 
That one polls question edits for code sections, and when a code section is edited when the question has at least one answer, it notifies us
(as changing the code in the question based on answers received is problematic on our site)
So we can go look at the edit, let it go if it didn't invalidate an answer, or roll it back if it did
 
4:59 AM
Can see why that'd be a sticking point for a code review. They fix the code and suddenly the answers seem to spout nonsense.
 
Exactly!
They can post a new question (or possibly a selfie CW answer or whatever) instead
One other thing Duga does is just post this state every day at 00:00z, i.e., "RELOAD" time
in The 2nd Monitor, 5 hours ago, by Duga
RELOAD! There are 2894 unanswered questions (92.4921% answered)
 
selfie CW answer?
 
Community wiki self-answer. Of course, CW is optional and at their discretion
It's much more common for them to just ask a new question with the improved code, if they want to see if any other improvements are possible
 
ah I see. It's hard to fit code in a comment
 
Also, I don't mean to take over the chat and make it about Code Review, especially since it's time to CELEBRATE I suppose :)
 
5:04 AM
No prob. Have a celebratory drink on me [_]D
 
BTW, have you guys come up with a short acronym for Software Engineering? Since "SE" is already taken obviously
@CandiedOrange Cheers, enjoying a Stella Artois as we're speaking!
 
we talked. never decided that I saw.
 
@Phrancis I think Duga better keeps tracking old name, it is quite likely that folks who post misleading comments will keep using it. Maybe worth adding a new name as well, but old one is definitely worth keeping - until at least we get more data and will be able to reliably tell if SO commenters stopped using it
 
@gnat Agreed. Programmers as the name will be around for a while yet on SO
 
Oh sure. just anticipating wise asses using the new name to get around the bot. I've actually seen people use back ticks: programmers SE to mention us without triggering a response.
 
5:21 AM
I would've assumed it would catch those, but it may have to do with the fact that back ticks get rendered as <code>programmers</code> and perhaps Duga is set to ignore code in comments
Simon would definitely be in a better position than I to speak to any of that, of course
 
 
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6:43 AM
@Phrancis @CandiedOrange Oh God, I had no idea that this was actually happening.
@CandiedOrange I think some of them is caught by @Duga but overall that Machine Learning thing is tricky...
So... I guess I will do the same thing for Software Engineering as for Programmers? That is, more machine learning with logistic regression. But what I need then is training data and lots of it. Examples of comments posted that should be classified as both true and false.
It would be really helpful for @Duga if someone helped me create a new training set with comments of this form with the new site name. '1' for true classification and '0' for false classification.
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(And '2' or anything else for other unclear comments)
 
 
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8:45 AM
Abbreviation: “SWE” for “Software Engineering”?
 
 
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12:50 PM
@amon Just about every acronym for Software Engineering is overloaded.
SWE also stands for Society of Women Engineers, among other things.
The other big one is Sweden.
 
Sure, but I think talking about “SWE.SE” is less confusing that “SE.SE”
 
@amon In that particular context, yeah. Although SE.SE is more fun, SWE.SE is probably more easily understood.
@SimonForsberg I'd love to help with Duga. Maybe this weekend, I should have some time.
 
1:14 PM
softeng.SE?
 
1:56 PM
@ThomasOwens Looking forward to a possible pull request :)
I can set up everything quite easily once I have the training set
@ratchetfreak softeng.SE will need an abbreviation on it's own.
 
@SimonForsberg So it's just a number, a space, and then comment text?
Should said comment text have HTML for links or what?
 
2:24 PM
Starred and Pinned the name change meta announcement
@ThomasOwens I wanted to thank you personally for all the hard work you did getting the site to where it is today. I was not as involved in this effort as I wanted to be, but I am glad to see that you really stepped up and did a good job representing the community. Thank you!
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@maple_shaft Thanks! I think a lot of people worked hard to make this happen.
 
And everybody else that was instrumental, thank you too!
too many to count...
@enderland Thank you too
@CandiedOrange and you...
@null Thank you too
@RobertHarvey Thank you too
@gnat thank you too
@GlenH7 thank you too
 
I can't even begin to start mentioning the people involved.
 
@AaronHall and you
omg and everybody in this room...
so many people
 
I didn't do crap. I hung out and opined.
 
2:35 PM
That's useful.
 
pins a rose on his nose
@Aaron: Agree with you in the approach. A lot of the answers here say "don't sugar coat it", but I understand it is not about pleasing everyone. People are more likely to follow good approach when the good things they do are reinforced, not when they are told they are wrong. They key here is to be tactful but consistent about what to do. From the OP's description, he is in a less-than-perfect coding team, with even old members who are used to their way. They would be more receptive to gentle approach. — Hoàng Long 13 hours ago
 
 
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4:23 PM
messy desk = lru cache: timharford.com/2016/10/…
 
 
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7:09 PM
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Q: How do I move my question to another Stack Exchange site?

Robert HarveyI posted a question to Software Engineering, but realized after posting it that my question would be better suited on another Stack Exchange site. How do I move it to the other site?

 
7:35 PM
Wow, I just beat my old top answer.
Was not expecting to do that
 
 
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11:35 PM
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Q: Choosing between Stack Overflow and Software Engineering

user181813Suppose you have a "borderline subjective" question, and you're not sure if you should post it to Stack Overflow or Programmers Stack Exchange. How do you decide? What's the best default option if you really can't decide? Return to FAQ index

 

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