The Whiteboard

user55340

00:14

Cake decorating

Ixrec

this is a really long gif

user55340

Warning: watching it may induce diabetes

Ixrec

there finally got to the end

user15026

@MichaelT I really want cake now.

user55340

@AshleyNunn It is a lie.

user15026

00:18

Well, I don't have any cake, so I suppose so

psr

@MichaelT We don't have any cake but I could go to the urinal. The cake is a lye.

user15026

facedesk

user55340

Btw, @psr Darkest Dungeon is final release (as in "we're done balancing - this is it").

psr

@MichaelT I just read about the (possibly only) guy who finished nethack without any spoilers (other than the guidebook and wizard mode). It took him about 2000 games over 4 and a half years.

@MichaelT I spend almost 0 on games. Would you rand Darkest Dungeon above Dungeons of Dredmor?

(Also don't have time for very many)

Which is sad. I really like games. Sigh for games.

user55340

@psr I think Dredmore is in the top tier of rogue likes (and not kind of rogue likes - but actual turn based dungeon crawl akin to the original rogue). The character generation and crafting trade offs are wonderful. Darkest Dungeon is a brutal and dark party based dungeon crawl that has lasting effects between individual crawls.

Ixrec

00:31

we badly need more 10kers voting to delete stuff, about half of the questions listed under recent delete votes in the 10k tools are ones only I've voted on (meaning the votes before mine have aged away)

user55340

@Ixrec delete votes never age away.

Ixrec

I could've sworn there were half a dozen questions where the tool said there's 2 recent delete votes but when I click through to the question there's only 1

user55340

The lasting effect aspect of the game is one that really makes it shine. That you have to be rotating the party roster so that people don't go, well, insane.

user55340

And its indeed brutal. What it lacks from the more traditional rogue likes is an emphasis on inventory management - you don't have the "do I take A or B" choices that you find in Dredmore or Netback or Angband.

psr

@MichaelT That sounds possibly fun, but the whole brutal and dark part sounds less fun. Dwarf Fortress style emo crazy sounds maybe fun.

user55340

00:34

The permadeath aspect of it is also different from traditional rogue likes. A character may die, the party may lose... but there are more adventures to draw from.

psr

@MichaelT Inventory management is not my favorite. I mostly do wizards in nethack because they are good at teleporting so there is less grind.

Which do you have more fun playing?

user55340

@psr the 'brutal' aspect of it was where it got a bunch of negative reviews. When you kill something, it may leave a corpse. That may mess up your strategy. There's a ranged enemy behind two corpses and you can only target the first two things... got to get rid of those corpses.

user55340

And some of the negative reviews were "you are mutilating corpses of your enemies! You're bad people!"

psr

The Gamers Dorkness Rising - Bards Suck

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"Hide behind the wall of dead bards"

At last it's a game mechanic

user55340

The dark aspect is a "you are dealing with undead" and a lovecraftian style of "you are going to go insane" with your characters.

user55340

00:38

I mean... shoot... one of the healer-ish range-ish guys is an occultist

psr

Detailed insanity mechanics could be fun. This guy is afraid of the dark, this guy of spiders, this guy wants to be a spider so really avoid spiders...

user55340

@psr not quite that detailed, but yes...

user55340

They are listed under quirks

user55340

Fear of beasts means that you take more stress damage when fighting a beast type monster. Fear of mankind means you take more stress damage when fighting a human.

user55340

And then when you take too much stress damage, that character can get a bit erratic, or nutty... or actually better.

user55340

00:42

The combat skills / preferred position (in that quirks link) shows where they prefer attacking from. Most of their skills work from the 2nd position, with one of them not working as well in the first. THere's a heal that affects all positions (the green ring). And this character can target any of the enemy positions with different skills.

user55340

One of the characters I have is a kleptomaniac and when you find treasure, he's got a good chance of saying "nope its mine" and not letting the party get it. Rather annoying.

user55340

Some of the 'quirks':

user55340

> Fear of Mankind: When fighting humanoids, -15% Stress Resist and -10 ACC
Fear Of Unholy: (Monster Type Unholy) -15% Stress Resist -10 ACC
Flagellant: In town, will only Flagellate for stress relief
Flawed Release: -3% Ranged CRT
Fragile -10% MAX HP
Gambler: In town, will only Gamble
God Fearing: In Town will only Pray for stress relief.
Guilty Conscience: Bears the crushing guilt of deeds real and imagined.
Hagiomania: Obsessed with sainthood.
Hemophilia: -20% Bleed Resist
Hieromania: Experiences religious visions and delusions, prone to investigate worship curios

user55340

As to the tone of the game:

user55340

Darkest Dungeon - Release Trailer [OFFICIAL]

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psr

01:07

@MichaelT Nice look, but trailers make almost everything seem terrible.

Trailers in general. This one as well.

user20683

BioShock Infinite was so much better in that first trailer

user55340

Its not 'dark' as in 'emo' its dark as in 'Cthulhu' and 'you will have characters die and/or go insane (while dying)'

user55340

So, Dredmore is IMHO a "you should buy because it is great". Darkest Dungeon is "it is good and a much better rogue like than the vast majority that make a claim to that title" - if you're not sure on Darkest, wait until another sale.

Jimmy Hoffa

01:37

I just lack any understanding of BioShock's interest from people.. the artistry seems so rehashed-90s, and yet the game lacks much of interest beyond the artistry; it seems to be what people like I think

user20683

@JimmyHoffa it's cheap philosophy that makes people think they have more moral agency than they do

user20683

And yet that's precisely the point of the first game

user20683

Gameplay peaked in the second game, Infinite was too "multiplayer"

user41796

02:23

@Ampt halt or significantly decrease, yes.

user41796

Reverse? No.

Ampt

well obviously it's not going to put my nickel plating back

but it doesn't leak, and it doesn't decrease the thermal efficiency

user41796

right on both

user41796

Did the OEM shoot down your request?

Ampt

the only concern I have is further dissintigration and that leading to pump failure

not yet

user55340

02:24

Ampt

but they're being difficult

user55340

:26964613 funniestmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/…

Ampt

JK Suzie may be mean but she's not that evil

user41796

I don't think that the pump will fail before the channels / seal fails.

user55340

@Ampt Have you read the theory that Frazz cartoon is Calvin grown up?

Ampt

02:25

the flaking is almost exclusively limited to the center of the block IE high flow areas

the areas in and around the seals are pristine.

@MichaelT I have not

user55340

Frazz

Frazz is a syndicated comic strip by Jef Mallett that, on the surface, is about school custodian Edwin "Frazz" Frazier and the school where he works, but which, according to Mallett, is really about discovery. The strip debuted on 2 April 2001. == Style and themeEdit == Mallett has explained that the strip is about discovery, and not merely learning. Frazz's job is just the surface. He reads everything from Milton to Hiaasen to bike racing magazines, he writes, he races, he’s an athlete, and he’s a songwriter, discovering the value of a day job. When songwriting started going well, he kept his...

user55340

>
Because of similarities in calligraphic style, Frazz's physical appearance, his station in life as a brilliant underachiever, and his age relative to Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes, speculation arose that Mallett was actually Bill Watterson, or that Frazz was an unauthorized sequel to Watterson's strip and that Frazz is Calvin as an adult. Some other characters that are similar are Miss Wormwood and Suzie Derkins in Watterson's strip to Mrs. Olsen and Miss Plainwell in Mallett's strip. In a May 2006 series of strips, Frazz and Caulfield invent a game called "Bedlamball" that, like "Calvinbal…

Ampt

@GlenH7 this is good news... I have some more faith in my blocks. I'm not going to install them back in until I have no other options though

I just got done re-installing the stock heatsink on one

so that I can test my other new parts

user55340

Ampt

don't want the return period on my CPU/mobo to expire before I even boot it up

that'd be awkward

user55340

02:27

Or one for @ThomasOwens ...

user55340

user41796

I'd probably do the same thing. Leave the water-cooled blocks be until you hear back from the OEM

Ampt

@MichaelT that looks far too close to calvin and in the same style to be a coincidence.

user41796

Very heavily influenced, no doubt

Ampt

@GlenH7 The problem is that they are based out of eastern europe so their prime time for responding is opposite of mine

they ask for info, I send it, and wait a day

user41796

02:28

The cynic in me says they wait until the end of their work day to respond to you just to drag it out. :-)

Ampt

Ugh, totally could be.

that's my latest feedback

user41796

So I made "clean out the pantry" chili tonight. Pretty damn tasty if I do say so myself.

Ampt

I provided the order number from the place I ordered it - cuz they don't ship to the US so I used a distributer

user41796

:26964704 Erm, info leakage

Ampt

@GlenH7 got it ;)

user41796

02:29

yw

user55340

@GlenH7 You've got Mrs. Wormwood-ish, Calvin-ish (the underachiever janitor who knows no rules) who is now dating a teacher (Suzy-ish)...

user41796

HIS NAME ISN'T ...

Ampt

pretty sure you guys could figure that out already

user41796

:-)

Ampt

so yeah - it's been interesting. I currently have 3 computers worth of parts sitting all over our living room

user55340

02:31

Glance through jefmallett.blogspot.com/2009/12/product-placement-edition.html

Ampt

My GF is not amused

user41796

@Ampt Just let her know that this is how it will always be...

Ampt

@GlenH7 The only reason she's putting up with it is because one of them will eventually be hers

when I get it put together

it's usually confined to my office

but taking my behemoth apart requires more... space

user41796

space is good

Ampt

and if I'm doing one out here... well... might as well do them all!

(I've also used every piece of tupperware to hold screws)

user41796

02:33

Was futzing with the solenoid valve on my humidifier tonight

user41796

Can't wait for the replacement....

Ampt

(I don't think she's noticed yet... shhhhhh)

@GlenH7 I read that as water heater at first and got very concerned

user41796

Oh, she noticed. She merely chose not to say sh!t

Ampt

I've seen enough mythbusters to know how that ends

user41796

Yeah, I'm a bit annoyed. Took the whole thing apart and nothing appears to be wrong.

Ampt

02:35

well... that's weird

is it not humidifying? or just not turning on

yikes yikes yikes

I'm a little closer to the max power rating of my PSU than I thought

user41796

1WP - stupid bluetooth won't connect to the stereo.

user41796

Anyway - the valve won't let water through at all.

user41796

I can hear the valve click as if it's turning on, but no flow

user41796

I should have checked the ports more closely when I had it disassembled

Ampt

hmmmm

bad relay perhaps?

or do you hear a mechanical click?

user41796

02:41

I hear the mechanical click

Ampt

well... it would be hard to differentiate those

user41796

very little build up in the valve seat area itself

Ampt

mechanical relays sound like mechanical clicks lol

although it probably doesnt have a mechanical relay

user41796

The relay is pretty well separate from the valve, and I was able to put my ear right next to the valve

Ampt

what model is it?

user41796

02:43

Image here

user41796

Kip inc valve on a honeywell humidifier

user41796

Can't find a direct replacement from Kip, but I may not actually want that anyway. It's been problematic ever since I got it.

Ampt

oh damn - you have a serious humidifier

user41796

yeah, this is a whole house model

Ampt

wow ok yeah

user41796

02:44

although I'm using a stand alone thingy as a backup currently

Ampt

thats what we always had

water supply isn't clogged up, right?

user41796

If it is, it's in the inlet tube

user41796

but I disconnected the supply from the valve and turned it partially on to make sure it was flowing

Ampt

Could you visually inspect the valve when you had it opened up?

see if it was activating?

user41796

No, because I had it disconnected from the power supply and relay

user41796

02:50

I guess I could try that, but leaves me a bit leary

Ampt

take it out

hook it up to an external supply

user41796

the electromagnet sits in the top part where the label is. The valve is in the lower assembly. And the valve is screwed into the lower assembly

Ampt

pretty sure it's not switching off of 120V

user41796

No, it's 24V AC

Ampt

the relay switches off of 24V AC?

user41796

02:51

yep

Ampt

what in the actual fuck?

user41796

But I'm not certain that the plunger would act as expected outside of the housing

Ampt

thats.... bizarre

hmmm

well, no water flow seems like something that would be fairly intuitive to diagnose if you've got the time to dick with it

user41796

And I don't know that I want to be holding it at the same time. And I'd pretty much have to hold it as there are two other switches (air flow vane and humidity sensor) in line

Ampt

get one of the kids to do it

user41796

02:52

@Ampt I'm hoping the new valve I ordered is good enough

Ampt

that's why you had them, right?

user41796

No, no, I like them.

Ampt

And here I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure that's why my family had me

but now I just feel sad

lol just kidding

Settle down there bud, you've already revealed that you have a whole home humidifier. That's enough personal info leakage for one week from you ;)

you're the most secretive of all of us

I like to imagine you're lex luthor or something and this is what you do with your downtime from fighting super man

user41796

@Ampt Bah! He's mere child's play!

user41796

And being secretive lets me pretend that my life is more interesting than it really is.

Ampt

02:58

I choose to believe that it is, too :D

user41796

Thanks! Every vote of confidence helps...

Ampt

gah... think I could get away with buying a larger PSU without the GF noticing?

I'm at an 850 and pc part picker is quoting my power consumption at 764W... without my watercooling loop

user41796

In other news, Crown 75th anniversary is pretty tasty and a worthwhile drink. Crown XO is good but flirts a bit too much with sweet.

Ampt

and the pump alone is 18W at max...

user41796

She'll notice.

Ampt

02:59

ugh

of course she will

user41796

Is that peak power consumption?

Ampt

yeah

user41796

Or RMS?

Ampt

oh no

user41796

Meh, if it's peak, I wouldn't sweat it

Ampt

03:00

well

I don't know - that's just what they quote. Like the 780ti's claim 40-250W

not sure if 250 is peak or RMS

user41796

I personally would like a bit more hedge room, but I certainly wouldn't risk relational strife over the matter

user41796

I'm willing to bet that's peak

user41796

That's a lot of juice for modern electronics

Ampt

oh... and I have 2 of them

user41796

Most car stereos can't put out 250 W RMS

Ampt

03:01

there goes 5/8 of my PSU for the graphics cards

then 140W for the CPU alone

then.... 8 fans

How much do power meters cost?

user41796

As compared to brand new PSUs and CPUs? Not all that much

user41796

You're in relativistic economics now, not absolute

Ampt

see, that's the kind of answer I like to hear :D

user41796

yw

user41796

but seriously, it doesn't matter if the meter is $50 or $75 or $100 when you compare that to the loss of the mobo & cpu or PSU

user41796

03:04

or all of the above

user41796

And then we can factor in the emotional anguish you'll experience when you realize the equipment is fried

user41796

Or the amount of time you'll spend trying to accurately determine what the root issue is

Ampt

lol

I'm just gonna buy a whole new one and call it a day

user41796

There ya go

Ampt

it helps that my PSU is a corsair

I think they make the best on the market - so that 850 is a solid 850 RMS

user41796

03:08

I'd believe that, yes

user41796

Oh wait

Ampt

oh wait?

user41796

You've got an 850 RMS PSU and your peak consumptions are adding up to the RMS power? Quit worrying

user55340

@psr oh, part of the darkest aspect of the game - the light level is an important mechanic.

Ampt

@GlenH7 errrr why?

user41796

03:09

Peak values always exceed RMS values

user41796

If your PSU truly provides 850 RMS, then it's peak amount is much higher

Ampt

yes - I follow you so far

user41796

effing chat rate limiting me.... grrrrr. Gonna go suspend Community

Ampt

so if my component peak is lower than my PSU RMS...

user41796

Then you're completely fine

user41796

03:10

compare apples to apples

Ampt

yeah - but I can't get RMS out of the components

just numbers

no clue if those are RMS or peak

user41796

If all you have is component peak, and that's lower than your PSU RMS, then you've got nothing to worry about

user41796

I'm willing to bet they're peak

user41796

250W continuous is a nice little whole room heater

user41796

500 W continuous even more so

Ampt

03:11

it does that, yes

fuck it, we're just gonna see what happens

brownouts will brown out

user41796

I'd do a bit more digging into the actual specs of your PSU then

user41796

Nah, that level will just trip a circuit

user41796

and a normal 15A breaker can easily handle 1800 W

Ampt

I mean if the PSU can't keep up

it'll likely just brown out, no?

user41796

yes

user55340

03:14

Ampt

cpu has a minimum voltage before it just turns off

user41796

Voltages will droop

user41796

Fans and cpu will slow

Ampt

ok, another data point - I was using all of the big stuff on this PSU already - all I did was upgrade mobo/cpu/ram

user41796

likely not that much difference

Ampt

03:15

I went from a 95W CPU -> 140W

user41796

mobo draw is minimal

Ampt

I think that's the biggest difference

user41796

yeah, that's a bump

user41796

but again, that's going to be peak power off of the CPU

Ampt

yeah

provided I don't OC it... which I probably won't do yet

user41796

03:16

they don't run that hot all the time unless you're running 24x7 rendering

Ampt

nope - just when I'm gaming

now that I have to pay the power bill...

user41796

You'd think that there'd be some software that could track the CPU power consumption....

Ampt

there is - on the newer PSUs

corsair i series (how original)

I have the series before that one (of course)

user41796

Well now there's reason to buy a new PSU... :-)

Ampt

Quit trying to get me in trouble :P

user41796

03:18

Just like Verizon suggesting I buy an Android phone based upon my "previous purchases." Fecking idiots.

user41796

@Ampt Hey now, I've been nothing but good about keeping you out of that trouble

Ampt

@GlenH7 til you start agreeing that I need newer, shinier things

user41796

precious. my precious.

Ampt

I know enough! He said you killed him!

user41796

Gollum was a bit anti-social in that regards

Ampt

03:21

it's 4:20AM in slovenia - 5 hours and maybe Roman will think about responding to me :D

@GlenH7 Wait, Gollum wasn't Frodo's father?

user41796

@Ampt nah, he'll reply in 12h 39m just as he's walking out the door for the day.

Ampt

@GlenH7 Don't give him any ideas.

user41796

And you think mods are evil.... Sheesh. Just ask 1st and 2nd level support.

Ampt

I recently had someone ask me to go get a computer and turn it on so I could restart it. He refused to move further in the script until I said I had done that.

user41796

ah, stories from a bygone era

Ampt

03:28

level 3/dev? I'm glad I don't have that haha

no one's going to be calling this guy

user41796

It wasn't that bad

Ampt

It's ok, this is a safe space

user41796

I was never on call there, so I didn't mind so much

Ampt

you can tell the truth

user41796

Well, the truth is that my brain has just about shut down for the evening. So I'm going to listen to some music while I sip on the remainder of this glass of wine and call it an evening.

Ampt

03:31

Have a good night

Thanks for tempting me with the dark side

Aaron Hall

04:27

2

Ampt

@AaronHall Quit drinking by yourself superman

Aaron Hall

He's not by himself, he's surrounded by other people, who don't seem to care.

Mathematics

08:24

Morning all

Duga

why negative vote ? is this too board for SO ? should I move it to programmers.SE ? — Please Teach 26 secs ago

Mathematics

@Duga huh ?

Ixrec

09:15

well, they don't appear to have reasked it on PSE at least, whatever it was

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