CURED - 2019-01-14

Xander Henderson

1:03 AM

Does this monotonic? (HNQ)

RRL

1:20 AM

These need 1 more vote for deletion: D3, D4, D6, D7

Xander Henderson

1:40 AM

@RRL all gone

Saad

5:25 AM

As a reminder, this PSQ has been undeleted and reopened.

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c2

For deletion: d1, d2, d3, d4

Xander Henderson

Obviously, the only reason that anyone would downvote this question is that it looks like homework...

The fact that it is a PSQ has nothing to do with it. :\

Saad

c3

Holo

@XanderHenderson the non-homework question is closed

Saad

d5

Saad

5:58 AM

d6, d7, d8, d9,

d10, d12, d13, d14,

d15

José Carlos Santos

7:20 AM

For deletion: D1, D2, D3, D4

José Carlos Santos

8:42 AM

Read what's being said about our homework policy on Meta. :-(

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Arnaud D.

8:59 AM

@JoséCarlosSantos That hurts :(

SmokeDetector

10:27 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, username similar to website in answer (114): Birth immigration process by educoach advisors on math.SE

Arnaud D.

@SmokeDetector Deleted as the spam it is.

rschwieb

2:27 PM

psq math.stackexchange.com/q/3072615/29335

rschwieb

2:42 PM

@JoséCarlosSantos That's sad and frustrating. I posted a follow up comment not so much as to disagree with your wording as to emphasize what is wrong with that guy's comment. "exaggeration" to me suggests an error of scope, but I think it's rather an error of reasoning in ignorance.

José Carlos Santos

2:59 PM

@rschwieb That PSQ that you mentioned had an upvote. :-(

user21820

Up for deletion: A, B, C.

amWhy

3:19 PM

@user21820 All are gone.

user21820

D, E, F.

rschwieb

3:49 PM

@JoséCarlosSantos I would imagine the eager answerer upvoted the question.

José Carlos Santos

4:21 PM

@rschwieb A very likely conjecture. ;-)

user21820

5:09 PM

G, H.

No effort to even ask a proper question.

José Carlos Santos

@user21820 That “no effort” question can already be deleted.

Xander Henderson

@user21820 F is pretty opinion based---I wonder why it wasn't closed immediately after it was posted?

Oh... it is pretty old. Sigh...

user21820

@JoséCarlosSantos Thanks! It's gone.

user21820

5:34 PM

And can someone take a look at this? I am not familiar with cohomology, so I'm wondering why there are so many downvotes on it; it doesn't trigger my bogosity bells.

Xander Henderson

@user21820 I don't see a problem with it.

Aside from grammar and formatting.

But I, too, am not a cohomology type of person.

RRL

5:51 PM

For deletion: D1, D2, D3, D4, D5,

D6, D7, D8,D9, D10

Xander Henderson

@RRL I'm out of votes. :\

RRL

6:17 PM

@XanderHenderson: Thanks -- a lot of activity here today.

Lord_Farin

6:39 PM

@RRL D8 has 3 upvotes... for "Is the sequence ... convergence?" [sic]

But it's now gone.

@JoséCarlosSantos That sucks. It sucks more that it is true.

Lord_Farin

7:01 PM

reopen 1 more vote needed

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delete 1, 2, 3, 4

amWhy

@Lord_Farin The question looks open to me ;P

Lord_Farin

delete 5, 6, 7, 8

@amWhy Nice :)

José Carlos Santos

@Lord_Farin Can't help anymore. I am out of deletion votes.

Lord_Farin

@José Tomorrow is a new day, the links are patient :)

delete 9, 10, 11, 12

@RRL IMO D7 and D10 are not so bad... D7 arrived at the correct limit using L'Hôpital, D10 asks a "why" question.

The others are gone.

amWhy

8:37 PM

Let me share a question post, now closed, but answered by (and voted closed) by a relatively frequent user of CRUDE. I realize that no one in particular can stop another user from contradictory behavior. However, anyone who has participated in CRUDE for the last year and a half, knows all too well how one user's behavior outside of CRUDE, while concurrently very active in closing etc. other questions for poor quality, that such contradiction

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Lord_Farin

undelete IMO RRL's D10 does not deserve deletion.

amWhy

can damage the overall perception by users of this site, of CRUDE, and its active participants, "as a group." Clearly such a phenomenon is not logical, but we've seen it happen in rants on meta. I'm asking, I guess, how best we can deal with this issue.

TheSimpliFire

@Lord_Farin Why? It doesn't seem particularly good or useful

amWhy

8:53 PM

Up for deletion

Lord_Farin

@amWhy An interesting question. Some considerations:
1. With which perspective do we regard the action? A case could be made that here we see progressive insight. Another case would be to call the set of actions "inconsistent" or "incomplete" (expressing that self-deletion of the answer ought to be included).
2. Why should we care? / Won't those looking to dismiss our actions surely find other arguments? / Is doing nothing acceptable?
3. How does said user assess their actions in retrospect?
4. What mechanics, if any, accommodate this behaviour? How does this relate to the overall vision th…

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To ask "why does this not work" indicates to me the desire to learn and to go beyond the beaten path, "the gateway to intuition" if you want to be more prosaic. While it may be that this question is not of great added value, I would like to encourage the _type_ of question (as opposed to the hosts of generic PSQs).

amWhy

@Lord_Farin Good considerations, indeed. For some of them, I could provide more insight. I suspect that in this case there has been progressive insight, but at the same time, the user to which I refer spends a lot of time each day, trying to cap each day, and to remain number one on the leaderboards. So I think they are trying to engage in, perhaps incompatible, goals. I could also post a couple links here that link to meta post, in which enormous over-generalizations appear in the ...

... brandishing of all "CRUDE users".

Should we care? I don't know. But I know I care; and when a user's conduct off CRUDE is inconsistent with their concurrent conduct in CRUDE, I think such actions in CRUDE are incompatible with actions on site (farming rep), or vice versa.

TheSimpliFire

9:10 PM

@amWhy another one. The rep-crude dilemma is sometimes difficult for some...

Lord_Farin

@amWhy This surely is a very understandable viewpoint. I prefer to trust in the reasonable assessment of the average reader of such posts/comments on meta, to whom it will be clear (if commented against to indicate disagreement).
But I take it to be easier to participate in the removal of poor content than to write answers, so that the "net contribution" is tipping towards the CRUDE actions.

But maybe I am just a bit less identified with CRUDE (no judgement intended).

TheSimpliFire

@Lord_Farin I'm on the fence for this one. I'm not entirely sure that there's always such a desire (they may well originate from assignment questions), and it is only at best, slightly better-phrased than the standard LQ questions.

Lord_Farin

@TheSimpliFire Definitely a defensible position as well.

amWhy

@Lord_Farin I have to disagree on this one.

@Lord_Farin What I am trying to say is that when a user habitually votes to close and deleted some poor posts, but answers and gains rep answering other poor questions, any asker whose question has been closed or deleted, in part, by said user, is justified in questioning the integrity of the close/delete privileges, and their misuse, after merely checking similarly poor questions answered by said user. This is problematic, because it contributes to skepticism of the entire close/delete process.

Shaun

9:47 PM

I think the following needs to be undeleted:

math.stackexchange.com/q/3000579/104041

Lord_Farin

@amWhy I can see this line of reasoning, however I would consider it valuable information to know how the users we are talking about assess their own behaviour.

When there is no proper motivation nor a change in behaviour, then this can be considered problematic. I am however wary of a "purity war".

amWhy

@Lord_Farin I agree with you. Said user has never bothered to do this.

@Lord_Farin I'm not looking for purity; everyone slips occasionally when some topic is of great interest. I posted this post only after having found, each and every day, more than one answer from said user to a PSQ or NCQ. To me, that's excessive. Once a week, once a month, oh well. But daily answering one or more (usually more) PSQ/NCQs is a bit excessive, and my concern hardly amounts to a "purity war".

Lord_Farin

@amWhy Given the circumstances, I think you are justified in your position. @JoséCarlosSantos, I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the matter.

TheSimpliFire

10:08 PM

@Shaun It's made CW so I don't see why not. But nor do I see it being in any repository other than Humour, which of course, was probably your intent :P

amWhy

@Shaun Very bad idea, since, as you know, it was not originally CW, and you, and many answerers reaped rather precarious rep. Besides, just because you made it CW doesn't mean it is on topic. It's a question no different that a question: "Which mathematicians were fat?" Trivia about "expletives" are hardly about mathematics, as detailed in the help center. Why try to drag math.se into the sewer?

Xander Henderson

@Shaun Oh, god... not that post again. Can't we please let it rest in peace?

This sums it up:

math.stackexchange.com/questions/3000579/…

For those without 10k XP:

> Amusing as this may be in a childish way, this is certainly not about mathematics. In localised circles this may be entertaining but in a broad sense it is entirely inappropriate (I am capable of such myself, but this is not a justification).

Shaun

10:26 PM

Ah, no worries. I'm sorry to bother you :)

Xander Henderson

I just spent five minutes trying to clean up an answer which required no action in review.

Arnaud D.

10:55 PM

@Lord_Farin I share the sentiment, but I also think that surely someone who is interested in understanding can ask a better question than that. I mean, in such a case it seems only natural to write down one's calculations and how they fail, how one checks that the hypotheses are verified...

José Carlos Santos

@Lord_Farin I've just noticed that you stated that you wanted no hear my thoughts on a certain matter. Are you talking about this answer of mine?

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