C.r.u.d.e chat room. is intended to help with various "janitorial" task such as closing, reopening, (un)deleting, editing and improving post. I am posting here mainly to make more users aware of that room - which might help to make it more useful.
@amWhy and @user21820 I hope I did not misrepresent wat you said yesterday too much. If we really want this room to become active and useful, we should try to promote it a bit.
So maybe mention it occasionally in the main chat room. (In particular if a discussion about some specific question is going on - so that other users might join the discussion if they are interested.)
I tried to mention this chat room sometimes in meta when some question or answer was related to the topic of this room. But it seems that did not attract too much attention.
@MartinSleziak: No you didn't misrepresent me at all. I'm just cynical that this room will be an effective place to get help for closing/deleting bad posts, especially when it requires downvotes. After all, only users with 10k reputation can do it. It's a defect of the deletion criteria, but it's just too bad.
@MartinSleziak Indeed. I think the reason it doesn't attract attention is that when people (like myself) come here, they see a bunch of posts from SmokeDetector and no actual people, most of the time haha..
I am not sure whether this is the way the room creator intended the room, but if it is for some reason better, we can let this room freeze and redirect SmokeDetector to that room.
However, this would probably make many mentions of this room on meta obsolete.
@MartinSleziak Currently, amWhy and SBA and I do it on our own in SBA's realm. We 3 suffice to deal with any bad posts that any 1 notices, except when it has too many upvotes.
Of course I don't see how Constructive Feedback is supposed to replace this room. But perhaps they could be merged.
Some time ago, many people frequented this room. If you look back in the transcript, you can find quite a lot of messages in 2015, perhaps also in 2014. It was frozen in 2013 and in 2012, but it used to have some activity before that.
@user21820 I doubt there is some mechanism for merging room.
I don't mean literally merging, but rather just expanding this room's scope to include feedback, and directing people from Constructive Feedback over here.
Then the original meta links stay valid and this room gets more related activity.
Which seems to me a reasonable option.
As for historical activity in 2015, it seems a lot was from SmokeDetector and Normal.
Ok. Since it was amWhy who suggested that you move to this room, you should probably let her know if you prefer not to do that and you want to use some other room.
@MartinSleziak: It's okay. I'll just see how it goes. Thanks for making us owners here anyway.
@MartinSleziak This and the next one are what I consider bad questions that should be closed as lacking context/effort. The first is fine and the fourth merely asks for a hint.
I posted them mainly as a suggestion for duplicates.
@user21820 It always seems to me a bit unfair when old posts are closed by criteria which came much later after they were posted. But perhaps that is the way to go.
There was some discussion on meta about this, wasn't it?
For example, if the community decided in discussion on meta that (homework) tag should no longer be used, if some user recreates the tag, that does not mean that the previous consensus has changed.
By the way, I have been around since nearly the beginning of Math SE, and I know for sure the closure reasons have been pretty much the same.
Even the tooltip that popups up when you mouse-over the voting buttons says the same thing; "downvote" for "does not show any research effort; unclear or not useful".
So it's fair to downvote any question that does not show any research effort, regardless of when it was posted.
@MartinSleziak: Thanks for finding that, but it doesn't really lend support to any hypothesis, since the last paragraph even says:
> It appears that at roll-out, there is already a specific "off-topic" closure reason for "homework questions". This creates a certain overlap with this proposed reason above. Please comment below with your thoughts.
Which "homework questions" closure reason we certainly don't have now.
Anyway, let's get back to testing out the efficacy of the CRUDE chat-room. =P
This post needs to be downvoted and deleted because it is not an answer (despite dispute of a few reviewers); it does not explain why the natural logarithm is special over all other logarithms with other bases.
@MartinSleziak: I just had an idea. If the active participants in CRUDE are owners, we can use the stars to highlight the posts that need attention, and then drop stars when they are completed.
@amWhy: Yeap I guessed so, and I think you even mentioned so, but there are so many that I can't recall, nor can we tell who's voted on a post until it's done.
@MartinSleziak As of now, I'd like to frequent this room, and help bring it to life, like it had been; I mean that we need participation of users here, in order to be most effective. I do think your idea (posted on meta), that of making a list of the chatrooms on MSE, would help in that respect.
I think that by using this chatroom, it makes more transparent requests for action; which is a good thing.
@MartinSleziak, @DanielFischer Is it possible for me to talk with you privately
I guess you have talked in a "secret" room with Daniel Fischer before. (At least I have vague recollection that you requested something like that either here or in the Mods' office. Or was it another user?)
@MartinSleziak I think it was in the mods office, last year spring, I asked that. Yes it went quite well; however I'm guessing that room has long since vanished?
I'm not in any hurry, and I can certainly wait until @DanielFischer has enough mod time, say, 10 minutes, and of course, whether he thinks it's not a good idea.
@MartinSleziak I think it does make a difference, e.g., in the first link; when it's explicit an asker is simply looking for a hint/nudge in the right direction (to get unstuck and consider the hints and willing to work using those hints. With respect to your second link, I'm at 55:no close / 45 close. In particular I mention the uncertainty because I've seen far to many questions: "Any suggestions or solutions?" which, if they receive answers, tend to only accept a full-solution answer.
Also, in the first link, the emphasis on needing a hint, users are more apt to down-vote any answer which presents a full solution.