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12:04 AM
Campag is rare in NZ, I've never owned it. I don't really need another road bike, and it is only 58 cm
Always interesting to watch auctions though
 
 
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7:43 AM
I’ve never seen Campa in my life I think
 
Really? You're closer to Italy than us and we have plenty of Campa stuff 😜
 
isn’t it overpriced like Apple hardware but kind of lacks the marketing?
 
It's mixed, some stuff has decent value, but they simply don't serve lower price ranges. And the low sales volume means they can't directly compete on price with the big players. But IMO the stuff is worth the money...
And unlike Apple, the products are actually useful 😜
 
8:49 AM
So I'm already taking a big detour to avoid the small residential streets as they are so dangerous. But still I can't avoid a certain 50m stretch. Again, got harassed and yelled at for not riding in the dooring zone. The guy told me that cycling doesn't have a future if we ride like that. So we should either a) risk our lives by riding in the dooring zone/gutter b) drive, because apparently that is the only valid option?!
way to get your HR to 200 on a ride :|
 
9:30 AM
omg
don’t take it too hard
on the weekend the sister and I got honked at 3 times for riding a 1.5km stretch of Bundesstraße
(and cycling is allowed there, there are no signs prohibiting it)
just assume they want to greet you, wave and smile
 
If there's lots of close situations, there's bound to be a collision at some point
It's motorized terror and it's working
 
yes that’s the sad part
as my sister pointed out, it’s not her who’s 2m wide and needs the full road
 
But if she was, because she was in a car, it would be fine somehow
 
yes, it’s crazy
and it’s sad how society has accepted it and even wants it that way
 
"BuT wE nEeD cArS iN rUrAl ReGiOnS" Then why do our small residential streets in the center of a city have to be a meat grinder?!
The only thing stopping me from moving to the Netherlands is the lack of hills there :D
 
9:39 AM
and why does it have to be a 2t monster driven by an angry driver at 10km/h above the speed limit and neglecting all safety distance?
 
Because speed limits are just a cash grab anyways
 
also on the weekend: car driver somehow feeling the need to dangerously overtake us in a 30km/h road only to drive exactly our speed (30.5km/h according to the Garmin) in front of us o.O
 
Classic, experienced that so many times
MGIF
It's also always a BMW or Audi
Main reason for gravel bikes is escaping cars... Thankfully this ridiculous "offroading" thing with motor vehicles is forbidden here
 
10:11 AM
@Erlkoenig don't get bothered by them. Smile at them and look at them as if they were a child throwing a tantrum. Let hypertension take care of he rest.
Side streets are typically much safer. Worst are cycle paths on arterial roads where drivers do quick right turns.
It's a bit more hassle to check for traffic from the right at every intersection but it's usually pretty safe as drivers don't have automatically right of way and need to slow down themselves
 
@gschenk Easier said than done. If you don't have a very thick skin... The repeated occurrence of this strains the nerves
@gschenk Sadly lots of drivers take this particular side street, and it has no bike lane, and they all are in a crazy hurry and can't even spare a second.
 
It's not a thick skin, it's the attitude. You don't get hurt by a small child throwing a tantrum. If you don't respect those people and treat them like a naughty child you don't need a thick skin as their utterances are meaningless.
That's why I take the centre so they don't even try to squeeze through.
 
And they don't try to kill you for riding in the center?
But they can hurt me and almost have on several occasions. It's just a matter of time until they actually do.
 
At those speeds it's unlikely for them to injure me seriously by negligence or incompetence. It has to be intentional and I dare them to attempt manslaughter.
Very few people are going so far to intentionally hurt you.
 
Drivers have repeatedly close-passed me with ~40 km/h and 30cm distance. There's very little margin for error
 
10:18 AM
Most of those who do will be so clumsy about it that they won't get away with it. So in the end you'd win any way.
 
I think enough people would intentionally kill a cyclist if they could get away with it
 
Yes, that's what I prevent by not making room for them.
They try to close pass you but won't try to rider over you.
 
They sometimes still succeed in doing that, by squeezing through very aggressively
 
@Erlkoenig No they would not. You are exaggerating it for more effect. Most people are very reluctant to hurt others on purpose, even when they are enraged.
 
Can't be sure, but the sheer amount of online comments about killing cyclists suggests a certain tendency
 
10:22 AM
@Erlkoenig yes, I had this a few times. I slapped one on the roof, that made them go slow and realise what they did. Flipped another off which made them even more angry than me /grin/.
 
Flipping someone off can go pretty wrong in Germany
Judging by the yelling and honking, they'll still think they're in the right after almost killing you
Also slapping a car that speeds past you?!
 
@Erlkoenig big talk in peer groups. You get that in all comments about things some people hate. Just post a recipe for a vegan fruit salad and you get death threats.
 
Even if you manage to prevent the close pass, they'll still tailgate and lay on the horn. Can also be dangerous.
 
@Erlkoenig people who do punishment passes get so angry about it that they are more likely to get out and try to knock you from your bike than reporting it to the police.
@Erlkoenig if it's too dangerous I go slower to increase chance for reaction and lower impact speeds.
 
@gschenk Eh, they can use it as a weapon, even if they're blinded by anger. Get you to pay a hefty fine for flipping them off, so you don't try to mess with drivers again
@gschenk Now that requires nerves of steel
 
10:28 AM
If drivers get out and attack you, you win. Be haughty and polite to make them go even more crazy. Then destroy them in court for assault and battery.
 
haven't experienced that yet. They usually drive off in some dangerous way because why waste energy on a puny cyclist?
 
@Erlkoenig if they want to play that game, play it. You risk a fine, but they risk 1 month without a car. By being pleasant for everyone to deal with they place the onus at themselves.
@Erlkoenig yep, most road rage guys don't have the self esteem to face consequences and run away.
 
@gschenk Have to prove what they did first. Going to court is harrowing.
@gschenk Their main goal is to be fast anyways, so they'll take the first opportunity to squeeze through at total disregard for others
 
@Erlkoenig main thing there is the police. You can change a lot by being polite, pleasant, and wee bit stoic. Last time they asked me after 15 min of listening to the tantrum of the guy who got me there why I wanted to report them. They threw him out with a stern request not to bother them for such trifling matters.
@Erlkoenig a lot of them overtake just because they're in a car and we are cyclists. They don't have enough foresight to realise it doesn't make them any faster.
 
@gschenk Well if the driver says you flipped them off, they'll be very interested in that. You'll get a sternly-worded letter from the DA
@gschenk That is true.
 
11:23 AM
@gschenk the problem is that as a cyclist you are physically vulnerable
when you are in a car and another car driver drives intentionally close and crashes into you it’s usually only your car which gets damaged
 
 
4 hours later…
Sam
3:45 PM
@DavidW When I am about to cover my arms with thin UV arm covers, and then wear a bike jersey on top (it's best if the jersey's sleeves go slightly over the arm covers), I keep wondering whether I might not be better off with just a long-sleeve ultra-thin jersey instead. After all, when riding in the sun I will in any case not take off the arm covers.
Likewise now for leg covers. Would it not make sense to just wear long bibs rather than short ones, and get over the leg covering part without having to put on another item?
Might it just be the case that it's difficult to impossible to find jerseys and bibs that are thin enough to keep ventilation high, and UV protection also high?
@gschenk I do notice that although Canadians are in general reputed to be (if not actually) nicer than Americans, American drivers are distinctly more polite and deferential than Canadian drivers.
The only explanation I could come up with is that an American driver will always assume that another driver might have a gun in his glove compartment, and angering an unknown person may not be such a good idea.
Canadians, on the other hand, will express their discontent more visibly while driving.
(Moral of the story: you don't know how far they'll go; and they are in a car and you're just on a bike.)
 
4:09 PM
@Erlkoenig You can approximate the effects of hill in NL with wind.
 
@Renaud That doesn't give you the sense of accomplishment and the views :P
 
Besides the infrastructure, there are also places where infrastructure is not top notch, but where people are nice.
@Erlkoenig Hence the "approximate", it's not a perfect substitution.
 
@Erlkoenig I did that once; it did not go well. The driver ran me off the road, got out of his car and threw me on the ground.
 
@Sam Makes you wonder what would happen if a cyclist would pull out a gun after being close-passed by an angry driver
 
@gschenk I had license plate, driver description, everything. Waited an hour for the cops to show up. Even managed to find where the driver lived, told the cops everything. Nothing ever happened.
 
4:24 PM
@DavidW Horrifying.
 
Another time I was intentionally struck by a vehicle. Had witnesses, license plate, etc. Nothing. 6 months later the same asshole did a punishment pass in the same location.
Another driver pulled up beside me and started forcing me to the kerb. I slammed on the brakes, he stopped, rolled the window down and told me if I ever got in his way again he'd take the bat from behind his seat and beat me to death. (I was riding all of 1m from the kerb on a 4 lane road; he had an entire free lane to use.)
Cops. Did. Nothing.
If the solution to any problem involves cops, you do not have a solution to the problem. Cops are the problem.
 
Jesus. And you are still riding bikes?
 
Do Germany and UK have this concept of "weak road user"?
 
Don't exactly have great experiences with cops wither
@Renaud Technically yes
 
@Sam My thinner cycling jerseys are not UV-proof. I put sunscreen on my back when wearing them.
@Erlkoenig You don't want to let the assholes win, but it's hard. Since those episodes I changed jobs and my new commute is mostly paths.
 
4:33 PM
I can understand that... Can't really do anything as an individual
 
@Erlkoenig On the topic of Campagnolo, I've seen that Canyon now sells an Italianized version of the Grizl AL (Ekar, Fulcrum, Pirelli) for 2.5k€. Seems like a good deal.
 
4:49 PM
@Renaud The price is crazy. They either got a very good deal on the Campa stuff or the rest of the bike is veery cheap :D
 
@Erlkoenig Looks like they got very good deals on Campy stuff and the rest, the rest is seem like it's very good mid-range stuff (Rapid Fulcrum Red 5 wheels, Pirelli Cinturato Gravel H). No-name components with Canyon usually.
 
Fulcrum IS Campa 🙃
Putting a high-end road groupset like Ultegra on a cheap bike would be wasted potential/performance... But a high-end gravel groupset on a cheap bike might not be a bad idea, as its main advantages aren't weight/performance, but reliability, comfort, gearing, braking power. So actually an interesting concept.
 
5:42 PM
Canyon qualifies for me as proper mid-range, not "cheap bikes". So putting an Ekar is not so much of a stretch.
 
that, is not too bad
 
Would it qualify as BSO?
kind of missing the "BS" part ;)
 
"grate fun" as they say...
@Criggie Not a match, but strange as well: 2ememain.be/v/velos-velomoteurs/velos-ancetres-oldtimers/…
This one is not bad as well (Italian full suspension BMX): 2ememain.be/v/velos-velomoteurs/velos-ancetres-oldtimers/…
 
6:15 PM
@Renaud Well, that particular bike is "comparatively" cheap
 
 
2 hours later…
7:51 PM
What should be done about 8 years old unanswered questions that need updates where the OP is a 1 rep user who has never logged in again? Let's say I raise a flag, is this the kind of question a moderator can delete right away or it would go through a voting process? I say that because those questions are a bit annoying when browsing the unanswered questions queue.
 
@Erlkoenig that's all the more reason isn't it? It's not like if a bully tells you he will bad your head in that you can remain silent.
@Erlkoenig they definitely do something her in case of physical assault, and manslaughter. It's enough here to escalate it to that point
 
@Renaud Nice! Shipping might be a lot though
 
@gschenk Can't exactly confirm that
 
Depends on the question - sometimes it takes years before an answer arrives.
If the question is a dupe, flag it. If the question is silly flag.
 
@Criggie Good thanks. I flagged it.
 
8:23 PM
@Sam in my experience Canadians will express their discontent regardless of the other has a gun or not.
Expressing discontent is to the Torontonian today what 'eh' was to boomers.
 

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