Ask Ubuntu General Room

Eliah Kagan

00:00

Are you referring to the many linkifications I made to wikipedia articles (and some linkifications elsewhere)? This was because there's potentially a lot of information the OP may want, in order to understand that text from the terminal, but the OP was unlikely to want a huge long answer explaining every concept (nor would that probably be ideal from the perspective of writing useful, reusable answers).

Lucio

@EliahKagan yeah!

Eliah Kagan

@Lucio Yeah, I really don't know what you mean by that. The only thing I copied from Wikipedia to make that answer were some URLs to linkify text for further information.

Lucio

@EliahKagan I just mean that your answer is useful. So well wroted that you can c/p it in Wikipedia without problems.

Jorge Castro

I think he means you write answers as detailed as Wikipedia articles

Eliah Kagan

@Lucio Oh, that it could be copied and pasted to Wikipedia. Thx!

I doubt there's a need for a Wikipedia article with quite that content, though. :)

Lucio

00:03

@JorgeCastro exactly

Eliah Kagan

Sorry, I didn't understand. Thx!

And the clock has struck midnight in England! Time to review some close votes...

Lucio

@EliahKagan no problem, my English is not very good. I speak Spanish..

Seth

00:14

@jrg did you get my last ping?

@maggotbrain np :)

jrg

@JorgeCastro so yes, i am indeed involved with Kandan.

Lucio

@Oli But mine doesn't! :P

I mean for this..

jrg

@Seth yes, i did.

@Lucio C#? no. .NET? Yes.

Seth

@jrg Mono is just a copy of .NET.

jrg

Uh, no.

Lucio

00:16

@jrg noted

Seth

@jrg Did you work it out with him?

jrg

C# is different from .NET.

Seth

@jrg Well not exactly

jrg

@Seth no.

Seth

@jrg Yes. C# is a language, .NET is a framework.

But Mono is a Linux copy/port of .NET.

jrg

00:17

the answers on meta pretty much covered it.

Seth

@jrg He still couldn't figure it out...

jrg

i can't help.

Eliah Kagan

@Seth Mono also provides development tools, like C# compilers and an IL assembler. (And it is not just for Linux, nor even just for *nix.)

Seth

@EliahKagan True. Do you use it?

I was talking about the Mono framework

@jrg He just wants to know what happened. He isn't asking for it back..

Lucio

@Seth Don't you know? Eliah give me a full documented comments about it here. ★

Eliah Kagan

00:24

@Seth Not for a couple years. But before then, yes. Some years ago (as a hobby, like) I would build C# programs with both Visual C# Express on Windows and Mono on Ubuntu. (My own relatively small programs. Not large pre-existing programs. It would be cool if I did that with something like Banshee. Cooler if I did it every day, to stay on the bleeding edge. But no.)

Seth

@EliahKagan Ah, I see.

jrg

@Seth see above.

i can't see that.

Seth

You can't see his reputation history?

jrg

nope.

Seth

Jan 2 at 23:18, by jrg

puts on shades Name it (if it's not destructive) and we can do it.

:(

jrg

00:37

detailed histories like that is destructive to relationships and the whole idea of a history that only you can view.

Seth

shrug

Seth

01:38

Is a mod here?

I'm not sure if you can do this or not, but can you tell if there are deleted comments here:

-1

Q: What is this kernel 2.6.31-10-rt?

Does this kernel version 2.6.31-10-rt, represents 'CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT patch applied mainline kernel'? Thanks

It appears the OP replied to someone in a comment, but I'm not sure.

The Lord of Time

the question is also closed, so blah

Seth

You used the wrong close reason.

And you don't just blah a person with a problem..

I'll add a comment.

It sounds to me like he got it solved.

jrg

<= 10 means less than 10, right?

or rather, 10 or less.

Seth

Yes.

jrg

ok

Seth

01:48

@jrg Can you check if there are any deleted comments on that post up there --^ ?

jrg

don't appear to be any

Seth

okie. Weird.

Seth

02:04

People are close voting weird things...

Seth

02:26

Can't believe I missed that spam.

Didn't even notice it.

Seth

02:37

@TheLordofTime That guy just added an answer of his own... Should we roll back the edit?

The Lord of Time

@Seth link?

Seth

This edit: askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/99441

His answer: askubuntu.com/a/271077/44179

The Lord of Time

yeah i see it

done

/me didn't see their answer :P

Seth

Good.

That's what I thought when I saw it.

maggotbrain

That one almost tripped me up.

@Seth

vasa1

02:45

@maggotbrain not a "clean up" suggestion; more of a create one: docs.xfce.org/apps/screenshooter/start

Seth

Yeah well..

maggotbrain

SPAM!!

sick 'em

get 'em

Seth

got it.

@TheLordofTime --^

STOP DOWNVOTING PEOPLE!

maggotbrain

@vasa1 definitely on my list. Thanks.

Seth

ITS GONNA DISAPPEAR!

preaches to the choir..

Can someone help me test a bug?

The Lord of Time

02:49

@Seth you're not talkin to me are you?

I DO NOT WASTE MY PRECIOUS REP ON DOWNVOTES!

maggotbrain

@vasa1 I had a good chat with the one of devs, yesterday, about work to be done and what I've found missing. Hopefully, I can get it in better shape before the 4.12 release

Seth

@TheLordofTime No I'm not, though you don't lose rep downvoting a question.

I thought you were part of the choir...

The Lord of Time

@Seth i'm above the choir.

anyways.

what bug

Seth

that one.

The Lord of Time

/me sees no bug here.

Seth

02:52

That's what happened when I tried to flag a deleted comment.

vasa1

@maggotbrain, that's nice. All the best. I'm on Lubuntu where the documentation is even less (or I've been more than sloppy in my Googling.) It's surprising how often I get what I want from the Arch wiki!

Seth

@vasa1 IKR

The Lord of Time

@Seth if you can convince a mod to allow you toi create a test question, and then have me try and flag it, and you delete before i submit... :P

Seth

Arch has such an awesome wiki.

The Lord of Time

link to the question too :P

Seth

02:53

@TheLordofTime No it's a comment

Here, add a comment to this: meta.askubuntu.com/questions/6261/…

The Lord of Time

@Seth i know. we need a test question to comment on.

This Is A Test Comment For Bugtesting. Do not flag or delete. — The Lord of Time 11 secs ago

comment ready, be ready to flag before I delet

e

lemme know first :P

Seth

okay. Delete it now please :)

The Lord of Time

poof'd it

Seth

Ok. Here goes.

George Edison

Earlier today I managed to get Git compiled for ARMv6. Now I've run it on my phone... and it works!

maggotbrain

02:55

@vasa1 I know what you mean. I think the xfce site/team is so small, that I could make a noticeable impact(hopefully).

Seth

There we go.

The Lord of Time

create a meta about this

:P

maggotbrain

Right now, you need ~5(!) accounts/passwords to access various parts of their site.

Seth

I am working on it @TheLordofTime ;-)

@GeorgeEdison ★

maggotbrain

wiki/docs/bugzilla/forums/goodies oh and the translations site too. That's 6

George Edison

02:57

Ooops. I just accidentally purged the build tree.

maggotbrain

They are talking of migrating to OpenID "someday".

The Lord of Time

@GeorgeEdison lolfail?

George Edison

@TheLordofTime Could have been worse. I just need to type make to generate it again.

...but it takes a few minutes. More of a nuisance than anything.

The Lord of Time

@GeorgeEdison better to just be a nuisance than to have to redo the entire thing from scratch. (i.e. deletion of all things).

Seth

0

Q: When I try to flag a deleted comment I get a picture of the "page not found" page

I was trying to flag a comment, but it appears a mod (or a couple of users) were too fast for me and it was already deleted. When I clicked "flag", instead on the nice red popup saying "comment already removed", I got a huge picture of the "page not found" page. I have reproduced this on ...

bug flagging-comments popups

George Edison

03:00

@TheLordofTime It's this. <--- my newest creation

It downloads, extracts, configures, builds, and installs OpenSSL, cURL, libiconv, and Git.

The Lord of Time

oh that reminds me. @George still working with stackapplet?

George Edison

Not really. The latest stable version (1.5.1) still works fine AFAIK.

The Lord of Time

my point was is it still available for use :P

Seth

@GeorgeEdison I don't think it does.

Never did for me no matter what I did.

George Edison

It doesn't work???

Seth

03:08

Not for me..

API changes I think.

George Edison

But the API isn't supposed to change.

If you are getting any errors, by all means, please file a bug.

@TheLordofTime: Same for you - I'd love to fix anything that's broken.

Seth

@GeorgeEdison API version 1 is deprecated iirc.

George Edison

Ohhhhhhhh.... that's right.

I got mixed up for a moment there, sorry.

Seth

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Q: Deprecating API V1.x

API V2.0 has been out and pretty stable for about 3 months now, and we've become pretty confident in it. Additionally, API V2.0 consumption has now grown past the V1.x family. Now seems like a good time to start really deprecating V1.x. Don't panic, we're not shutting V1.x down We're committe...

discussion

George Edison

Yeah, you're right - StackApplet 1.5.1 still uses v1.1

Seth

03:11

@GeorgeEdison Ahh. No worries :)

George Edison

But v1.1 is still around. So it should still work for the time being.

But I really should make a quick patch to switch it to v2.1.

I'll add it to my TODO list.

Seth

@GeorgeEdison Version 1.x includes v1.1 doesn't it?

George Edison

v1.6alpha1 uses v2.0 IIRC.

But I haven't worked on that one in a long time.

Seth

@GeorgeEdison Haven't used the Alpha AFAIK.

George Edison

It doesn't work well with AppIndicators.

vasa1

03:14

@maggotbrain, I did a limited write-up on Xfce4-screenshooter here and that's when I noticed the blank page. I'm quite content with scrot but the only drawback of scrot (for me) is that I don't see a way to capture the cursor.

Seth

Needs more pandas... — animuson 4 mins ago

O_o

The Lord of Time

@GeorgeEdison Is there anything broken that still really needs fixing? don't think so :P

@GeorgeEdison i still use stackapplet, actually i absolutely LOVE it. do you accept donations for your work?

... oh my freaking god ...

i just drank a bottle of BAWLS... and i have waaaaaaaay too much energy now o.o

Seth

@FEichinger The thing I like most about having 1k on MSO is being able to split the votes... It's pretty interesting.

George Edison

I'm not going to lie - this is the ugliest bunch of Python code I have ever written.

maggotbrain

@vasa1 favorited cool. I will definitely be looking at your answer when I get to creating that page. So far, I think I need ~10 'missing' screenshots so I will be getting familiar with screenshooter in the coming weeks.

George Edison

03:24

What was I thinking? Tabs instead of spaces? Lowercase class names? The inhumanity!

@TheLordofTime: Congratulations - you have inspired me to update StackApplet - if only because the code is just so embarrassing.

6

maggotbrain

and an upvote for you as well @vasa1 almost forgot that. Have a badge. ;-)

The Lord of Time

@GeorgeEdison xD

@GeorgeEdison i should give you money for that, though. just because you made me lol (even though you didn't mean it)

vasa1

@maggotbrain, merci! Where in Seattle are you? Many moons ago, I stayed at a place near the foot of Queen Anne's. If I strained enough I could see the bay from my studio window!

The Lord of Time

you know, i think the insane amount of energy i have right now is prompting that...

Seth

Makes sense.

maggotbrain

03:30

@vasa1 Right now, I'm living up north in the sticks. But, I've lived mostly in downtown(2 blocks from the Pike Place Market + Capitol Hill.

Seth

@maggotbrain The sticks?

I'm not sure I've ever heard that term before.

maggotbrain

Really???? you joking?

the boonies. the burbs.

Seth

No..

maggotbrain

Aren't you somewhere on the Eastside?

Seth

Yes. Somewhere. Over. There.

vasa1

03:33

@maggotbrain, tossing the fish was quite awesome. Anyway, lovely place. Enjoy!

maggotbrain

Nice.

Seth

I bet.

maggotbrain

Where are you @vasa1?

brb

@Seth Over there? Yea, I worked for the Beast a couple times.

Seth

@maggotbrain sigh.

maggotbrain

what?

Seth

03:43

idk.

You aren't explaining very well ;)

maggotbrain

I mean spam.

Seth

I see a lot of those. I'm not sure whether I want to shoot them or try to take pictures..

SPAM askubuntu.com/questions/271092/…

maggotbrain

Not explaining what very well? Don't you have a family member who works for them?

Seth

@maggotbrain Who is them?

maggotbrain

Microsoft?

Seth

03:47

ah.. That them. Got it.

Nah, I know someone who used to work for that them.

George Edison

This is just awful. Forget it. I'm rewriting StackApplet from scratch in Python.

Seth

STOP DOWNVOTING THE SPAM

maggotbrain

ah. OK.

Seth

BTW, more WAZZAH: 24.media.tumblr.com/6df4ad9c54773ebf9679dd25151e3c04/…

@maggotbrain Oh, wasn't talking to you sorry ;)

More of a random rant.

OK folks. Taps for the spam please.

There must be a mod hiding around here...

The Lord of Time

@Seth does someone with an EMP grenade count?

/me was playing Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 :P

Seth

03:52

@TheLordofTime No you don't.

The Lord of Time

@Seth :P

Seth

@TheLordofTime Sometimes Google is my friend. Sometimes.

George Edison

WHOA! I just shrunk an executable to 20% of its original size. Win.

The Lord of Time

@GeorgeEdison s/Win/Epic Win/

because that's a substantial win! not just a win, but a BIG win.

Seth

Now I'm getting requests for more freehand circles... Oh the extravagance :O

The Lord of Time

03:56

@Seth i want to reproduce that bug too. test comment time?

Seth

@TheLordofTime Sure. Pick a spot.

Preferably your post.

The Lord of Time

does it have to be a question comment :P

we've produced this on question comments, have we produced this on answer comments as well?

Seth

@TheLordofTime Sure, try an answer.

The Lord of Time

you can take screenies, I can't, but i will try and test and confirm it happens anyways

we'll use this as a test askubuntu.com/questions/153692/…

Seth

OK

The Lord of Time

03:59

on my answer

Seth

done.

The Lord of Time

delete it

Seth

poof.

The Lord of Time

bug confirmed. I'll try and screenshot it

Seth

@TheLordofTime awesomescreenshot.com

The Lord of Time

04:01

already captured

Seth

If it disappears just flag the comment again.

@TheLordofTime Ah good.

The Lord of Time

case in point

except i can't draw circles :P

Seth

sudo apt-get install shutter

;-)

Do you want me to edit it in?

The Lord of Time

Error: Unable to comply on a windows test system.

@Seth I added a comment saying it happens on comments to answers, too

Seth

Ah, I see your comment. Nvm.

Well night folks.

vasa1

04:16

12 hours away (just north of Bombay). Re the beast, Mozilla described itself as the Beast and MS as Mammon at least if you believe Wikipedia. "Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own image as promised by the sacred words, and spoke of the beast with their children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was
naught but a follower.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

04:35

0

Q: What to do if your question on AskUbuntu not get answered?

I really need the answer, can I post my question again?

support unanswered-questions

Kannappan Sampath

05:11

@TheLordofTime Need to report that all went well!

Bye!!

Ask Ubuntu Meta

06:20

0

Q: Will skype support for ubuntu be removed?

I was curious (and concerned). Since Microsoft has completely taken over skype, does it mean, they will stop supporting skype for ubuntu??

discussion

jrg

08:03

@TheLordofTime oh man, why? :-P

Yes @fossfreedom, before you ask, I am up early. ;-P

skunkfrukt

08:21

<-- finally managed to install Ubuntu alongside Windows 8. :D

The bootloader is still doing all sorts of weird stuff, but that'll be my project for next week.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

08:41

0

Q: Is it a question on commercial software considered proper on askubuntu?

I am thinking about software made for Linux that is not free, like CrossOver. Is askubuntu the right place to discuss such programs?

discussion

jrg

08:52

Good morning to you @EliahKagan :-)

Or rather, good night.

Eliah Kagan

@jrg Good morning. (I am up early as well.)

jrg

Its what, 2AM there? :-P

Eliah Kagan

@jrg 5am. Upstate New York.

jrg

I must be confusing you with somebody else. /me blames lack of sleep. :-)

Eliah Kagan

Heh.

jrg

09:03

Good answer on that meta Q.

Eliah Kagan

Thx.

Takkat

09:16

> try to avoid asking for help in chat and then immediately leaving before people have the chance to reply meta.askubuntu.com/a/6352

deserves 10 upvotes :)

(or more)

fossfreedom

@jrg - go to sleep ... thats an order ;)

Rinzwind

09:54

eliahkagan is a slave driver >:-D

so let's see how many ppl agree with me and star it >:D

@Takkat page not found >:D There is a ] messing up the url

Takkat

@Rinzwind thanksalott

<-- brackets confuse me today

Rinzwind

just today?

I have been confused by braces forever.

Takkat

>{[(today!}])<

Rinzwind

They look so much like ()

Dan Hulme

@Rinzwind you need a new font

Takkat

09:58

() is The Void

Rinzwind

@DanHulme it's not the font...I have lousy eye sight :(

-9.25 in my left eye

-1.25 right :P

Dan Hulme

@Rinzwind I'm not saying the font is intrinsically bad, but if you can't tell characters apart, changing font or font size can help with that.

Rinzwind

I blame my mother btw.

@DanHulme I know I know :D control+ helps alot too ;)

Dan Hulme

I always laugh at programmers who complain they can't tell 1 and l and I apart

Takkat

@DanHulme Arial is intrinsically bad. IlIlIl

Rinzwind

10:00

comic sans ftw

jrg

@fossfreedom not happening. ;)

Rinzwind

I hate all disproportional fonts >:)

Takkat

Ubuntu font for the ever most win

Rinzwind

win as in windows? >:)

Takkat

Windows stole the win in their name.

Rinzwind

10:01

noo takkat it's is IRONY >:D

like GNU or WINE

Takkat

A Windows cleaner is never unemployed.

But he also will get his Jobs never done.

Rinzwind

self cleaning windows might make them unemployed

Eliah Kagan

I use DOS on PXE-booted machines with no disks of any kind. For the irony.

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Takkat

There is no self cleaning Windows.

@EliahKagan loooool :D

Rinzwind

www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/10010157478886/…

ROFL

he should get a dog and name in Bingo >:) >:)

0

Q: Update problem in Ubuntu 12.04

While updating from sudo apt-get update. I get the following error. W: GPG error: http://glug.nith.ac.in precise-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key W: GPG error: http://glug.nith.ac.in precise-security Release...

updates

Takkat

10:11

2 mins is short-lived.

(wished the spam earlier this morning had such a short life time too)

Rinzwind

this one is weird: askubuntu.com/questions/271175/… the option should work !?

fossfreedom

@Takkat throw something on meta.stackoverflow - maybe all mods should have the same "universal" rights to deal with spam flags as they can deal with chat stuff

Rinzwind

@Takkat I missed that :=)

Takkat

Is spam the same across all sites? There are different views on severity.

fossfreedom

@Takkat spam is spam as far as I can see.

Rinzwind

10:16

some spam comes in cans and some spam gets canned

advice... should I remove the whole "help" part? seems useless to the problem and it messes up layout

0

Q: aria2c: unrecognized option '--rpc-listen-port=6800'

I want to enable RPC in aria2c download manager, so that I can pause and resume downloads from command line. When I run aria2c --rpc-listen-port=6800 http://torrage.com/torrent/9C76DCCEB643D27D6ADC9253C713407D5F2AE3AF.torrent an error displays... unrecognized option '--rpc-listen-port=6800'...

download-manager

fossfreedom

looks ok how you've edited it.

Rinzwind

I hate scrollbalks even more than disproportional fonts

Takkat

But it separates litter from good.

(litter to the left, good hidden on the right side unvisible unless scrolled into)

Journeyman Geek

11:20

scrollbaks?

Joshua Robison

11:42

so anybody know how to get chrome or firefox extensions to work with another browser like midori(my currect favorite) or even epiphany?

I didn't wanna post this as a question because it is not ubuntu related and it is a kind of yes or no question

Didn't want to see it turn into a impossible/possible debate

fossfreedom

seems like a reasonable question here - especially if you include "for example the ubuntu global menu extension" as an example

skunkfrukt

@JoshuaRobison That's a very interesting question.

Joshua Robison

but won't I just get a whole bunch of people saying "no you can't"? and that wouldn't be very productive. Isn't it more of a discussion subject than a real question? Just looking to see if anyone had any experience with this idea

either downloading an addon and converting it to midori

or finding a way to get firefox or chrome extensions to work with midori

fossfreedom

Dont see this as a "debate" question - a "no it is not possible" is still a valid answer.

Joshua Robison

there are extensions I love to use with firefox , such as paraparakun for showing me the reading of kanji on japanese pages , and springpad and getpocket extensions

@fossfreedom, but too often things that were called impossible were actually possible for me with a little elbow greese

After all I'm running the new Geary on my powerpc :D on debian wheezy woot!

just compiled it

gethub is awesome!!

vasa1

12:19

There was a discussion in the last couple of days regarding options and choices (approx. GNOME/Unity versus KDE). Here's what Alex Limi, Product Design Strategy at Mozilla, has to say: Checkboxes that kill your product

Design by committee often looks like a row of checkboxes.
What I do want to put the focus on, however, is that you have to perform an audit of your product every so often and **see how the people using your product have changed**, and what kind of functionality that made sense at the time may not make much sense anymore.

Joshua Robison

@vasa1, sounds like thed problem we have with managing dependencies

Gui

13:01

Fan death

Fan death is a widely held belief in South Korea that an electric fan left running overnight in a closed room can cause the death of those sleeping inside. All fans sold in South Korea come with an automatic timer that turns the fan off after a certain number of minutes. Origins of belief The genesis of this misconception is unclear, but fears about electric fans date almost to their introduction in Korea, with stories dating to the 1920s and 1930s warning of the risks of nausea, asphyxiation, and facial paralysis from this "new technology"."[http://veritasest.egloos.com/2029688 Strang...

Eliah Kagan

13:29

@Gui In contrast, if you pack an enormous number of people who don't really know you but fanatically adore your work and elevate you to a cult obsession ...into a small, sealed room where you are sleeping, that can cause health problems. :)

smartboyhw

14:16

Hello!!!!!1!

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15:30

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Seth

16:52

@smartboyhw Hey. Sup?

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