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Seth

17:08

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Q: Will Ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04 Run Very Smoothly on My Computer Or Should I Go With Lubuntu?

I have a somewhat old computer with mid-range hardware. Here's what my computer has: 1.8 Ghz Willamette Pentium 4 256 Kb L2 Cache nVidia Geforce 6200 LE 256 mB DDR2 1024 mB DDR at 133 mhz 40 GB HD 5400 RPM Before, I used Fedora 17 with my computer, and installation was somewhat long, about 25% ...

dupe of something..

Octavian Damiean

o/

Seth

0

Q: How can i restore the swap drive used by ubuntu, back to windows 7?

i just installed ubuntu 12.10 on my laptop (which has windows 7) but i used my second data drive as a swap for ubuntu. How can i restore this swap drive back so it can be accessed by win7 again ? (Everything else works normally as a dual boot sys there is no problem). Thanks in advance

windows windows-8 swap drive data

that's a dupe too.

@OctavianDamiean \o

Octavian Damiean

I'm probably going to get a Landscape subscription just for managing my private computers. It is awesome!

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Seth it's a dupe of this: trollisms.blogspot.com

Seth

heh.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

17:11

i mean, i'm sure there's a better dupe...on site... but er... windows was faster than fedora, but i'm complaining on an ubuntu site...

Amith KK

BBT

Good Night

Seth

ganight @AmithKK

VRU

Hi Guys!!

Seth

Hello @VRU

What's up?

VRU

Hi Seth.... I now own a pre loaded Ubuntu Laptop .... DELL Inspiron14 + Ubuntu 12.04

I am looking to install Windows 7 side to it, so that I can use few applications which are not supported bu Ubuntu like WebEx

Seth

17:24

@VRU Ooh fun :)

@VRU Having trouble?

Octavian Damiean

shudders

You really need WebEx?

VRU

so now to install windows 7 I assume, all I need is to install insert win7 complete installation and there after insert Ubuntu live USB and try to rescue boot loader, right?

Octavian Damiean

More or less.

The Lord of Time

yawn

@VRU make sure you left free space on your drive first.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean Yes I really need it.... I actually installed WebEx on Ubuntu using WINE but the clarity has gone low

The Lord of Time

17:26

@VRU and if not, resize your partitions first.

Seth

@VRU Yeah, pretty much.

Octavian Damiean

You have to shrink your partition, split it and then create a NTFS partition first.

The Lord of Time

otherwise, well...

Octavian Damiean

Yea, what @TheLordofTime said.

The Lord of Time

watches the mushroom cloud

Octavian Damiean

17:27

@VRU I wouldn't do it. Just sayin'.

VRU

Yeah Forgot!!! first I need to re-size the Hard Disk ... Ubuntu has used all the available 500GB..... I guess I have to use gparted

Dan Hulme

@OctavianDamiean what would you do instead?

VRU

@OctavianDamiean yeah .. could you let us know, what would be your alternatives ..

The Lord of Time

@VRU Do this from a LiveCD or LiveUSB ENVIRONMENT ONLY

DO NOT RESIZE THE PARTITION WHILE THE SYSTEM IS RUNNING!

Otherwise, bad things.

Octavian Damiean

Look for alternatives, use another computer or something but I wouldn't mess with the system.

VRU

17:32

Noted!

Octavian Damiean

Just for that application.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean I just wanted to stick with one... so I am doing this... other wise .. even I feel the same(just use ubuntu as it is)....

@TheLordofTime can you come again, you wanted me to use LiveCD of gparted, right?

guntbert

Someone with a better crystal ball than mine is needed to deduct what the OP wants here:

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Q: Getting configure command of php

I am using an ubutnu OS, I have installed LAMP stack using "tasksel", I am not able to find the "Configure Command" while I am going through phpinfo. But , in the same OS I am able to see the "Configure Command" only if I am compiling the php from source. Is anyone can explain how the tasksel hid...

installation php command install-from-source configure

The Lord of Time

standby, busy with DB debugging

Octavian Damiean

@VRU Yea, use gparted from an Ubuntu LiveCD.

VRU

17:44

@OctavianDamiean Okay ... I will have a quick look at it... just to make it sure... I am not suppose to use the gparted partition editor to make free space

Dan Hulme

@guntbert wow, tasksel

it's been a while

Octavian Damiean

Well you are. gparted is installed on the LiveCD.

guntbert

@DanHulme it's still useful in certain circumstances but it's dangerous as hell when you try removing a task

@OctavianDamiean the gparted version on the current live CD has a nasty bug, you cannot resize an extended partition with it

Octavian Damiean

wut really?

jokerdino

sounds familiar

guntbert

17:49

@OctavianDamiean askubuntu.com/questions/145554/…

Octavian Damiean

Wait wasn't that for 12.04?

Let me check something.

The Lord of Time

@VRU You should use the GParted Partition Editor to resize the partitions. BUT ONLY FROM WITHIN a LiveCD or LiveUSB "Live" environment.

i.e. boot to the Live Environment first.

Octavian Damiean

huh, interesting.

The Lord of Time

oh, and back up any critical data you need to keep.

just in case.

Octavian Damiean

The updated version didn't land in Ubuntu yet ...

Not even in Raring.

The Lord of Time

17:52

@OctavianDamiean it might not ever reach Raring, now.

@OctavianDamiean FeatureFreeze.

jokerdino

feature freeze doesn't prevent bug fixes from landing though.

The Lord of Time

true, but it does block version increments unless it can't be avoided.

Octavian Damiean

Well I know, I'm just a bit surprised because the fix was released back in July ...

Dan Hulme

umm, this is slightly odd

askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/chorded-keyboard

VRU

@guntbert oh that sounds ALERT.... but i am going to make free space from /dev/sda3 - ext4 - which has unused size and flaged as boot

Dan Hulme

17:53

I don't think this guy knows what a chorded keyboard really is.

Octavian Damiean

So in theory this could have landed in 12.10 already.

Gui

I need a vacation.

Octavian Damiean

Well, in that case you should probably create a gparted LiveDisk.

That way you'll get the latest stable gparted version.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean Okay... I will START this with creating the Live USB.....

Octavian Damiean

gparted.org/livecd.php

Make sure it is a gparted Live USB

VRU

18:01

@OctavianDamiean yeah I am there... I am thinking to create the Live USB on my windows desktop or on my ubuntu laptop.... I guess that should not be a problem .. both mean same... and thinking to go with Tuxboot...?

Octavian Damiean

Haven't tried Tuxboot yet.

I've always used Unetbootin

VRU

@OctavianDamiean I have downloaded the LinuxLive USB Creator and the GParted Live .iso file and I am creating the Live USB on my windows machine once done , will insert this Live USB in my Ubuntu laptop and make a restart so as to boot from USB.. once there I will keep you posted

VRU

18:26

Live USB started in Default mode

its asking about key map... what is it?

@OctavianDamiean should I choose "Don't touch Keymap" ?

Octavian Damiean

That's basically your keyboard layout.

fuduntu.org

WAT!?

VRU

@OctavianDamiean yeah done .. now opened GParted in X window

@OctavianDamiean I have resized my drive and got unallocated space..... am I done?

at the bottom I read ... 1 operation pending .... is this complete

?

@jrg Hi!

jrg

18:41

@mateo_salta I'll make sure there is a couch for you at the venue, let me know if you need anything. :)

@VRU hello!

mateo_salta

@jrg awesome!

VRU

@jrg I am in middle of creating partition using GParted Live

jrg

@VRU cool. is @OctavianDamiean helping?

VRU

I wanted to create free space from my existing ubuntu hard disk so as to install windows side to it

jrg

ah, sounds... "fun".

VRU

18:44

I have re size'd the hard disk and I now see unallocated space

but at the bottom I read 1 operation pending

mateo_salta

@VRU I think you need to hit the "apply" button

since gparted doesn't do things the moment you click them, so you can set it up how you like then have it do it for real

VRU

@mateo_salta yep went through Edit --> Apply

mateo_salta

@VRU what version windows are you installing?

VRU

but it did not ask for formatting in to any specific file system... it just started shrink

@mateo_salta Windows 7

mateo_salta

windows should be able to format an empty partition as it likes

but I think you will need to re-do GRUB after it is done

VRU

18:49

@mateo_salta Okay it seems to be completed.... so should I just restart..

Octavian Damiean

Sorry had to run for a second, popcorn, fruit gum and coke ain't a good combination ...

VRU

@mateo_salta yeah point noted... that step I need to do it after completing the windows installation, right?

Octavian Damiean

Who would have thought.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean :-)

mateo_salta

@vru yep

Octavian Damiean

18:51

So where are we at?

@jrg Oh hey there. :)

mateo_salta

@VRU seems so far you have Ubuntu and an empty partition right?

VRU

@OctavianDamiean Done Re Sizing the existing Hard Disk.... I now see unallocated created

Octavian Damiean

Ah cool.

Well, in theory you should be ready by now.

VRU

should I just restart and change the boot options to boot from CD as I have windows 7 on a CD and I guess I need to make a new USB Live for Ubuntu

@OctavianDamiean @mateo_salta does it matter about the Ubuntu version I have on the laptop and the one I suppose to create... for boot rescue

mateo_salta

@VRU as far as making a usb, and telling the program what version it is making usb for? or just running the os?

Octavian Damiean

18:58

In terms of reinstalling grub.

VRU

@mateo_salta I have ubuntu 12.04 installed .... now after installing windows .... I have to install the GRUB ... for which I assume to create a Live USB for Ubuntu 12.04

Octavian Damiean

Well, Quantal has a newer grub version than Precise.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean Yes

mateo_salta

ah, ok

VRU

@OctavianDamiean Okay

Octavian Damiean

18:59

To be honest, I've never tried to mix versions like that. To make sure you should go with a Precise image.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean Okay

@OctavianDamiean @mateo_salta now I am stuck at exiting GParted

mateo_salta

@OctavianDamiean I suppose it should work, but... just to be safe.

VRU

in the tool I have went through GParted--> Quit. and it closed the inside tab

but the Environment still open

Octavian Damiean

Well, just reboot the system. :)

VRU

I see a Exit button but neither click nor enter works

Octavian Damiean

19:02

If you can just issue a init 6 command.

mateo_salta

gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=14914

what about in right click

VRU

@mateo_salta few attempts of double click worked

rebooted

back to ubuntu

checking Disk Utility for changes

@OctavianDamiean @mateo_salta yeah it shows free space in Disk utility

Octavian Damiean

Good.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean @mateo_salta should I edit the file system/format the free space here in Disk Utility

Octavian Damiean

Now you're ready for Windows.

Windows can handle that.

VRU

19:09

Okay

@OctavianDamiean I have Ubuntu 12.04.1 iso with me and my laptop pre installed shows ubuntu 12.04

will this matter

Octavian Damiean

Nah, that's fine.

man bash | grep -w read # Use -w to match the search on word boundaries. This will match 'read', but not 'readline' or 'thread'.

Tweeted by climagic on March 18, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Best tip ever.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean for some reason my laptop is unable to boot from CD ROM

it directly boots Ubuntu after changing the sequence in boot option

Octavian Damiean

@VRU Are you sure the boot order is right?

I mean the boot order settings in your BIOS.

Is the Windows 7 disk original?

VRU

Yeah in my laptop F12 is set for boot options and I change there and it just boots in to Ubuntu

Yeah it is

Octavian Damiean

And you're sure booting from the DVD drive is the first option?

VRU

19:25

@OctavianDamiean Yes

Octavian Damiean

Uhm that shouldn't happen.

Were you at the computer all the time during the boot up process?

VRU

I am giving one more try

Octavian Damiean

It might ask you to hit a key.

Not sure how Windows 7 handles that.

VRU

@OctavianDamiean Nope... Even after changing the boot sequence and even trying from setup did not work

Octavian Damiean

o_O

Your disk isn't bootable then.

VRU

19:30

I hear the CD drive spinning sound but the ubuntu window comes up very fast

Octavian Damiean

Don't have another explanation.

What notebook is that?

VRU

DELL INSPIRON 14 MODEL 3420

comes with Ubuntu 12.04 pre installed

@OctavianDamiean Well its 1:06AM here and I need to wake up at 5:30AM

I thank your support

cheers

bye!

Octavian Damiean

Well, I'm out of ideas. Don't quite understand why it won't let you boot from the disk ...

VRU

When I am in Ubuntu I can see the contents of CD

may be I will try with another CD tomorrow

Bye for Now

guntbert

I've stumbled upon data, it seems entirely useless. Before removing it from 80 posts I want to have some feedback. Should I post a question on meta?

jrg

19:46

destroy it.

George Edison

o/

jrg

CLEANSE THE SITE. ONLY THEN WILL IT BE PURE.

Octavian Damiean

lol

Hello there.

jrg

20:04

gkoberger.github.com/stacksort | awesome.

Octavian Damiean

Mhmmm, I'll have to investigate into collecting information from the CAN bus of a car.

Should be interesting.

lightning

20:27

Hello

can someone tell me what symlinking is?

(pin drops)

I can ask later I spose

guntbert

@lightning you could also ask on unix.stackexchange.com :-)

lightning

Oh really?

my rep there is puny

its like 1.. can I post with rep 1

I will go see...

thanks

RolandiXor

Hi...

Gui

@RolandiXor bout time you made yourself known, I have been waiting all day!

lightning

Ok I posted it there.. thanks

Seth

20:56

@RolandiXor around?

RolandiXor

on a skype call for work

Seth

Okay, well when you have time you might consider merging this:

4

Q: Data visualization tools?

I am looking for data visualisation tools on Ubuntu. I have been using R and gnuplot, however, I am looking for better than these and also simple to use (not office excel).

software-recommendation visualization

George Edison

@RolandiXor: o/

RolandiXor

@GeorgeEdison \o

George Edison

How are things?

RolandiXor

21:01

Busy lol

mateo_salta

@VRU what about hitting F8 a bunch of times on boot, otherwise... I'm not sure

RolandiXor

okay I'm back

@Gui sup?

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison, @RolandiXor o/

maggotbrain

@Seth Thanks. I got pullled into a con call and spaced calling for a merge of the two. :-/

RolandiXor

@mateo_salta hey

George Edison

21:03

I just discovered a glitch with the code that was pulling data from a remote Git repository.

Seth

@maggotbrain np. Just making sure you know you can ;)

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison interesting

Seth

@GeorgeEdison Well I guess by now I know who to talk to when it comes to bugs...

George Edison

The tricky thing is that 'git clone' pulls all of the revisions from a remote source.

In order to reproduce the bug, I have to be able to only pull part of a repository.

So I think I am going to need to use 'git fetch' instead.

Seth

@RolandiXor I have another merge candidate as well...

RolandiXor

21:06

@Seth a question?

Seth

This: askubuntu.com/questions/108771/… with this askubuntu.com/questions/43593/symbolic-links-vs-hard-links

Actually vise versa.

George Edison

I see unity-tweak-tool made it into the repos over the weekend.

3

RolandiXor

@GeorgeEdison yep

Seth

@GeorgeEdison yerp.

RolandiXor

@Seth aight

George Edison

21:07

I wish my packages made it in that quickly :P

The latest release of StackApplet in the repos. is 1.4.

...which was released nearly two years ago.

Seth

@GeorgeEdison Yeah, I know.

George Edison

I'm almost ready to become a Debian maintainer just to get my packages in.

RolandiXor

@Seth done.

Seth

@RolandiXor Thanks. What about the other one?

Did you see the comment?

RolandiXor

@Seth which one?

I am a bit frazzled from multitasking

maggotbrain

21:12

@Seth just to be clear: any user of any rep can request a merge if they find good candidate Qs

Seth

15 mins ago, by Seth

4

Q: Data visualization tools?

I am looking for data visualisation tools on Ubuntu. I have been using R and gnuplot, however, I am looking for better than these and also simple to use (not office excel).

software-recommendation visualization

@maggotbrain Yes that's right.

RolandiXor

@maggotbrain only Seth can...

Don't be fooled!

>:}

Seth

@RolandiXor Speaking of that...

maggotbrain

OK @Seth, what's your pager number?

I'll filter all my reqeusts through @Seth then.

;-)

Seth

@maggotbrain What!?!?! You think I still have one of those? I moved to prepaid a long time ago :P

RolandiXor

21:14

LOL

maggotbrain

heh. nice

RolandiXor

@Seth wth...

Seth

IKR XD

RolandiXor

It is apparently a paid ring of spammers.

Seth

You would think I'd be bored of the walking dead by now... Must be pretty popular.

RolandiXor

21:16

But that is all I can say.

George Edison

That... is... bizarre.

@Seth: Please send that into gemsfromstackexchange.tumblr.com

Seth

I don't have tumblr ;-)

I don't get this: askubuntu.com/questions/269364/…

What's going on?

George Edison

@Seth Can I post it then?

Seth

@GeorgeEdison Yeah go ahead :)

George Edison

Thanks.

maggotbrain

21:28

nevermind. read it closer. weird.

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison would the separate NitroShare library allow for writing a client on ppc-mac

George Edison

@mateo_salta The one thing holding up a PPC build of the NitroShare library is Qt5 support on PPC-Mac.

I'm not sure if Qt5 will build on any PPC Macs.

If it will build, then there's no reason NitroShare couldn't run on it.

mateo_salta

yeah, don't think it will. I think i barely got 4.7 on there

maggotbrain

@Seth Have him re-install pciutils?

Seth

@maggotbrain Worth a try. Why don't you add a comment.

mateo_salta

21:34

:( mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04843.html

George Edison

I see what you mean:

> "PPC support has been removed.

maggotbrain

done.

Seth

thanks.

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison oh well, I'll concentrate efforts on new stuff

Luis Alvarado

@RolandiXor you there buddy

RolandiXor

21:44

@LuisAlvarado ,

Luis Alvarado

sup, can we go to a private room or the mod room?

RolandiXor

Shore!

Jersey Shore!

Luis Alvarado

lol

i can never find the mod room btw

RolandiXor

It's easy

click on flags and you will see the room in the side bar

We have drinks

/pun

mateo_salta

it's like the room or requirement

Oli

21:45

@LuisAlvarado I've sent you a superping (from the mod room - it should show as a notification somewhere)

Seth

@Oli Oh BTW, it looks like that bug was fixed. The one in the API.

RolandiXor

hi Oli

@Gui welcome back!

Oli

@Seth Yeah it was got a few emails about it over the weekend and they've posted to the stackapps post. Was an API bug and it's fixed.

Luis Alvarado

ok got to the mod right now roland, thanks

Seth

@Oli Good :)

Seth

21:59

@maggotbrain that guy replied to your comment...

RolandiXor

@LuisAlvarado you're welcome :)

Seth

Dupe: askubuntu.com/q/269698/44179

maggotbrain

@Seth Crud. That's lame. I replied and I have to step away for a bit.

Seth

@maggotbrain See you later :)

Gui

@RolandiXor sup?

RolandiXor

22:14

@Gui nm

Gui

Cool

Jorge Castro

@Oli do you still have the boxee?

The Lord of Time

22:35

accidentally trips over the cord that connects Ask Ubuntu to the internet

whoops! :P

Gui

@TheLordofTime accidentally?

The Lord of Time

Does anyone think that we should revisit this?

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Q: AU policy on questions about root login?

From http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=716201: Policy Tutorials explaining how to enable the root account for a graphical login or autologin will not be supported on the forums and will be moved to the Jail. Although we believe people should have the freedom to run their computers...

discussion

I'm seeing a bunch of questions which end up saying "How do I automatically login as root via [script]" and it's raising a TON of red flags with me...

Gui

@TheLordofTime yeah nothing good can come from that.

The Lord of Time

@RolandiXor @JorgeCastro opinions?

@Gui agreed, hence the question of whether we should revisit that initial meta.

RolandiXor

Hi

Jorge Castro

22:38

link to those questions?

The Lord of Time

most of the other ones've disappeared.. i mistyped :/

this ONE QUESTION raised a red flag though.

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Q: Can I write a python script that will automatically load a terminal as sudo?

I use sudo a lot and I am constantly having to restart my terminal (development of programs that froze usually) and it's a pain in the butt to constantly put in the sudo command and then my password. Is there a way I could through Python (or a script file) get an already sudo terminal? I wasn't ...

command-line python scripts sudo

The answer on it raised an even bigger red flag

Jorge Castro

shrug, just add a warning on the answer

The Lord of Time

oop the answer was removed...

and put to a comment o.O

Jorge Castro

I think we have a question you can link to

I can see the answer

The Lord of Time

really?

/me nukes the cache

Jorge Castro

22:40

(but it was deleted)

Gui

Hey Gwibber looks nice these days...

The Lord of Time

ah right, you have a ton of rep don't you jorge

you can see things others cant :P

Jorge Castro

49

Q: Why is it bad to run as root?

I've often come across posts on forums or other websites where you see people joking in such a manner about running/logging in as root as if it's something awful and everyone ought to know about it. However, there isn't much that a search reveals on the matter. It maybe widely known to Linux expe...

security root user-accounts administrator

you just can toss that link in an answer

like we do when people post PPAs

The Lord of Time

dangerous comment!

Enter sudo visudo and add YOUR_USER_NAME ALL= NOPASSWD: PATH_TO_SCRIPT.py then save it with Ctrl+O. That should do the trick. — Lucio 1 min ago

it should burn!

with fire!

/me tosses a mild acid that won't cause permanent damage onto @Lucio

@Lucio DANGER!!!!! DANGER!!!!! DANGER!!!!! does NOBODY read the "Why you shouldn't run X as root" thing?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

o/

George Edison

23:01

I humbly ask anyone who values the Android platform to reshare this post.

mateo_salta

so you can't sell to US, unless you collect taxes? how does amazon get away with this stuff...

George Edison

I probably can sell to you.

I just need to do a bunch of paperwork and/or research into tax stuff.

The Lord of Time

@mateo_salta they take fees. :P

and those fees go into tax reports as "taxes"

:P

George Edison

It's actually Google in this case, not Amazon.

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison I mentioned it since amazon doesn't charge tax on orders, they make the customers report what they buy on-line

George Edison

23:08

@mateo_salta I'm not 100% sure how the Amazon store works (the place where Kindle Fire users buy apps) but from what I can gather, they take care of taxes for you for certain countries.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@GeorgeEdison why would you not say git for android, because i'm badass like that

also i completely grok your taxes point

George Edison

Well, I've mentioned it here, but nowhere else.

I want to "surprise" my G+ followers - when I finally release it.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

heh. point taken. i just don't get secretive when someone could spider your social network and have it in a grand total of 5 seconds

George Edison

They could - I don't deny that.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

so who would be behind a google-reader clone kickstarter?

George Edison

23:11

As a web service?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

as a webapp that uses offline storage for everything.

if UA == IE:
  alert("sorry.  install a browser that's not broken...like chrome.  kthxbai.")

5

George Edison

Best line of pseudo-JavaScript ever.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

thanks. i went for maximum funny

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison I'm having a go at using homebrew instead of macports to get gcc4.7, looks promising so far, all-ready alerted me I was down a version of xcode and other stuff.

George Edison

@mateo_salta Great!

mateo_salta

23:19

so we will see, just wanted to say I haven't given up yet

George Edison

I'll be adding and testing Clang support fairly soon too.

Lucio

23:33

@TheLordofTime Haha, sorry for that. I don't do those things, but if the user really want to is at their own risk. Of course that your answer is good, but I will let that comment live for a while..

Seth

23:54

Hey @Lucio I see you have 2k now. Congrats!

The Lord of Time

@Lucio the point was: "Don't do that often"

because the more one spreads "Oh, here's unsafecrap to do: [commands]", well...

Seth

@maggotbrain That guy responded again... no such file or directory.. what in the world is going on..

I just got another steward badge \o/

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