Ask Ubuntu General Room

iSeth

00:00

funny thing is, I just added that repo and works fine for me.

@Zignd What country are you in?

RolandiXor

@iSeth back

Zignd

Brazil

iSeth

K. :)

@Zignd That is probably the issue.

RolandiXor

@iSeth no, they won't :)

Believe me :D

iSeth

@RolandiXor I wondered. :(

strings

00:01

maybe it only speaks Portuguese :P

Zignd

Well I tried from the ppa and adding the deb lines in sources.list

strings

can you ping google.com

Zignd

yes

strings

we need to sort out if you a dns issue or if its that host only

you have dig installed?

Zignd

What is "dig"?

I have it installed.

iSeth

00:03

@Zignd en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dig_(command)

Zignd

it's probably a default program.

strings

dig br.archive.ubuntu.com

iSeth

times out for me.

Zignd

; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> br.archive.ubuntu.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 27084
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;br.archive.ubuntu.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
br.archive.ubuntu.com. 177 IN CNAME ubuntu.c3sl.ufpr.br.

;; Query time: 68 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.1.1#53(127.0.1.1)
;; WHEN: Mon Jan 7 22:04:12 2013
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 72

strings

@Zignd I get that to

iSeth

00:04

@Zignd Open "Software Sources" and change the download country to United States

strings

ubuntu.c3sl.ufpr.br. 207 IN A 200.236.31.4

iSeth

strings

yes change mirror IMO

mateo_salta

Hey everyone just read the Adobe agreement "If you obtained the Software from Adobe ... Adobe grants you a non-exclusive license to use the Software in the manner and for the purposes described in the Documentation, as further set forth below." which means Adobe provided the download and serial, which grants you a license...

iSeth

It might make download's slow, but it should work.

@mateo_salta well, they removed it before I came around so...

bbl

RolandiXor

00:07

hey @iSeth I just noticed that according to Wikipedia, w3schools has fixed the issues mentioned on w3fools...

@jrg and others, you might want to drop the charges :).

Though, I still say that anyone learning web dev should see multiple sources :)

OH BTW - I want to learn Qt/QML/Qt Quick!

Zignd

Now should I update again?

RolandiXor

/ramble

Mechanical snail

@iSeth I think there's an option to automatically pick the best mirror. Worked well for me.

strings

@Zignd yes you need to update everytime you change mirrors

mateo_salta

the direct links from adobe are still working... anyways time will tell.

strings

00:09

meh we have gimp

3

mateo_salta

gimp is nice too :)

strings

but I'm no artist so dont mind me :P

Zignd

Ohh it's working now guys, thanks for helping me.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: Do we need a tool to help users providing information on their system?

As you all know, a lot of questions on the site are being asked without proper information. For new or inexperienced users facing an issue, this is something I do understand. However, no matter how well we are trying to help them, a lot of questions will be cluttered with several comments asking ...

discussion

gertvdijk

can 1-rep, new users also edit their closed q and ask to reopen it?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

00:13

@AskUbuntuMeta Yes, and this has been asked before...but I have no idea where that answer is

gertvdijk

@AskUbuntuMeta Y U so slow.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@gertvdijk ask to reopen yes. edit - not sure

Mechanical snail

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I think you can always edit your own posts (unless it's locked).

AbrahamVanHelpsing

That's fair, I just don't know

Mechanical snail

-2

Q: in php decode to encode using md5 funcation

in php decode to encode using md5 funcation

php

One person actually upvoted that.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

00:20

removed

iSeth

heya @Mochan!

gertvdijk

this one's funny, but sad at the same time... askubuntu.com/q/237532/88802

Mochan

@gertvdijk, about your messge to me about a comment I made saying "If you have found and answer..." etc., I beg to disagree. With all due respect, I don't believe it was ambiguous. It's very clear what I am saying. If they have found an answer - wherever they may of found it - they can delete the question. :\

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@iSeth check the memes room iseth

Mochan

@Mechanicalsnail Then what is Kanji, if it is not an alphabet?

gertvdijk

00:26

@Mochan what are you talking about? can you give me a link please?

Mochan

@iSeth Hi~!

@gertvdijk Sure! ^^

iSeth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I saw it.

Mochan

yesterday, by gertvdijk

@Mochan your comment "If you have found an answer or [...], please retract it yourself." here: http://askubuntu.com/q/154786/88802 seems to be quite ambiguous. I don't think one needs to retract answered q. here. you might want to add 'elsewhere' to this if you are using this as a pro-forma comment.

OH! @gertvdijk don't worry.

I jut reread what you said and figured it out XD

iSeth

@RolandiXor That's great news.

gertvdijk

@Mochan oh, that. yep. I guess you're using your own pro-forma comments?

Mochan

00:28

@gertvdijk Nah. I was copy-pasting one for about 5 uses.

gertvdijk

@Mochan ok. it was not a big deal though. just a note, a 'heads up'

iSeth

We are falling behind in the cleanup effort :(

Mochan

@gertvdijk Yeah, I thought so. I just wanted to clarify :)

@iSeth Really?

iSeth

yeah, over 700 to do.

Mochan

Man.

I would help, but I'm busy today :|

In fact -- I gotta go. See ya!

iSeth

00:31

@Mochan Okay, see you later!

AbrahamVanHelpsing

It has been there for a while, should it be closed as a bug? I think I gave the only reasonable answer askubuntu.com/questions/202333/…

or abandoned?

iSeth

hrmmmm

idk know how to tell if its a bug, but its not abandoned yet.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

okay. it's more a feature request than a bug. still that is a bug classification

iSeth

I don't quite agree with opera... but good otherwise.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i agree with opera more than safari

iSeth

00:42

I think Safari is worse than IE... shrug

AbrahamVanHelpsing

nah. they're just thinking a couple moves ahead.

iSeth

shrug

gertvdijk

Ah there we have the shrugs again...

iSeth

when did they stop?

gertvdijk

@iSeth haven't seen them for a while. no, I'm not going back in the transcript...

AbrahamVanHelpsing

00:52

they moved to the shrug-testing room

iSeth

until @FEichinger and I fixed the script.

Mechanical snail

@Mochan A logographic script.

mateo_salta

adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html , hm intresting.

iSeth

wat?

its back up?

mateo_salta

yep

iSeth

01:02

I still don't think I should...

mateo_salta

they are denying it's free, but they didn't change any wording or doing anything to stop it....

strange.

iSeth

@mateo_salta have you tried installing it?

mateo_salta

have it running on my ppc now!

iSeth

huh, weird.

mateo_salta

I did buy it way back when though

iSeth

01:04

go figure.

mateo_salta

I'll download this one to see if they changed the agreement wording.

iSeth

alrighty :)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

cs2 is like 2 generations old right?

maybe 3

mateo_salta

what is it up to 6 -7?

I have 4 on on my laptop.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i don't use adobe products beyond flash player...and the sun is setting on that one too

mateo_salta

01:12

hm the license file looks the same, though for sure they would change that.

George Edison

Hello.

mateo_salta

Hi @GeorgeEdison

George Edison

One botched apt-get session and X11 wouldn't start.

iSeth

@GeorgeEdison I had something to ask you... now I can't remember.

I know its not the first time :)

Alvar

@gertvdijk I really like the meta post! Good job!! :) I hope we get some good feedback on this now!

@GeorgeEdison What do you think about his? meta.askubuntu.com/q/5722/10698

gertvdijk

01:21

@Alvar thanks :)

iSeth

0

Q: Will ubuntu phone os replace android os?

I recently find out that Ubuntu would be released on some smartphones and though I would like to test drive this OS on my phone (which is a Samsung Galaxy nexus with Android jellybean 4.2.1) I would like to know if I could switch back to android at a later date as I love the interface. My phone ...

android phone ubuntu-phone

sigh

gertvdijk

@iSeth somebody actually upvoted it

iSeth

oh, your right! :O

gertvdijk

we should be able to flag these upvotes! haha

mateo_salta

not like they are planing to let people just install it... they are going to sell ubuntu phones.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

01:31

no. it won't. that's the answer. would i rather have a phone with native ubuntu? yes. is it really a viable replacement? not so much

George Edison

@Alvar: Very interesting.

Alvar

:)

iSeth

uh, guys, androidauthority.com/…

he has some facts

mateo_salta

hm, nevermind then.

wait till Feb. it is then.

George Edison

@Alvar: The tool needs to be written in Qt :)

strings

01:36

you can install ubuntu on some android devices now, however its not an easy task, nor will it ever be. so in theory yes they will be ok with ubuntu on android devices, however it will be better on the phone either way.

gertvdijk

Ubuntu for Phones. Well. I hate it already.

"I'm pretty sure it's some sort of extension to Android" - No, you must be confused with Ubuntu for Android. The Q is about Ubuntu for Phones. It's confusing already not even being released yet. — gertvdijk 1 min ago

@GeorgeEdison yup, but does Ubuntu Desktop live image ship with Qt libs? PyQt/Pyside or only native Qt?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

i saw it on the official website...they're trying to pair with vendors to do native ubu on phone without android. we're just not there yet in the dev cycle. at least that's how i read it.

Mochan

@Mechanicalsnail I see, but I still don't see why you're making a big deal over it. It's complicated enough trying to explain Kanji.

I'm gone ;)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

ease up peeps

3

they're blue b/c they're so chill

gertvdijk

@AbrahamVanHelpsing what the heck is it?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

01:39

they're peeps

mateo_salta

for android, on android, on a phone that was android?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

all of the above eventually

mateo_salta

they are marshmallow coated with colored sugar, mmmm.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

again, just how i read it

gertvdijk

@iSeth now even a second upvoted it...

iSeth

01:41

O_O

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Peeps

Peeps are marshmallow candies, sold in the United States and Canada, that are shaped into chicks, bunnies, and other animals. There are also different shapes used for various holidays. Peeps are used primarily to fill Easter baskets, though recent advertising campaigns market the candy as "Peeps - Always in Season", as Peeps has since expanded to include Halloween, Christmas and Valentine's Day. They are made from marshmallow, corn syrup, gelatin, and carnauba wax. History Peeps are produced by Just Born, a candy manufacturer founded in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, by Russian immigrant S...

iSeth

o_O

gertvdijk

@iSeth What the peeeeeeep!?

iSeth

@LuisAlvarado ^^

FEichinger

Heya folks. finally fully here

iSeth

01:42

hehe @gertvdijk

mateo_salta

peeps is also slang for "friends"

gertvdijk

@iSeth ah. you also use 'hehe'!

iSeth

Sure, sure :D

mateo_salta

for the international audience that didn't get it

6 mins ago, by AbrahamVanHelpsing

ease up peeps

Alvar

@gertvdijk What's Full APT configuration btw? ;) (new comment)

gertvdijk

01:48

@Alvar don't mind the details please. I just meant everything in /etc/apt (or something like that)

Alvar

@gertvdijk can we use synaptic package manager to see what the last installed packages was? just thinking here...

gertvdijk

@Alvar proxy thingy, a natty line somewhere, that sort of stuff. the last package install is overly relevant in most cases.

spent too much time on meta again today.

Eliah Kagan

@Alvar The best way to find out about what package management operations were recently performed is usually to consult files in /var/log. The most useful ones are probably /var/log/dpkg.log, /var/log/apt/history.log, and /var/log/apt/term.log.

gertvdijk

@EliahKagan indeed.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Alvar cat /var/log/dpkg.log* | grep "\ install\ " | sort

Alvar

01:51

@EliahKagan that was the information I was thinking of, a list of last installed / removed applications.

gertvdijk

Let's discuss the details later if "the community" thinks it would be a nice thing to have. Tech details aren't important now/yet.

Alvar

@gertvdijk This could actualyl be a really good application...

@gertvdijk true, more to sort out the things we want / not want.

Eliah Kagan

If making an automated utility to retrieve information about someone's package management configuration, it would be a good idea to make sure it doesn't report any authentication information (for downloading paid apps, for example). I don't know where that's stored. It's not stored in log files though.

gertvdijk

@EliahKagan yep, already thought of that too.

but that's not relevant right now to discuss imo

Alvar

@EliahKagan that are some of the things you should be able to notice when you test adn design the program

AbrahamVanHelpsing

01:54

what's wrong with an awesome one-liner?

Alvar

@AbrahamVanHelpsing too complex

gertvdijk

@Alvar yup. later.

I'm off now... I shouldn't be awake by this time. bye!

AbrahamVanHelpsing

the app is awesome-one-liners, and they're named. it's just a list of tasks that runs one-liners

strings

@AbrahamVanHelpsing grep "\ install \" /var/log/dpkg.log* | sort

Alvar

later all... need to sleep... cya! :)

strings

01:56

fixed :P

@AbrahamVanHelpsing rarely do you need cat with grep

AbrahamVanHelpsing

that's fair. i keep cat-ing things i don't need to

strings

I do now and again to

George Edison

@Alvar: Good question... I'm not sure.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

or echo things instead of < "that"

Eliah Kagan

How different is the information useful to investigate non-bug problems a user has with an application, from the information useful to investigate potential bugs in an application?

strings

01:58

@AbrahamVanHelpsing drives me nuts when I see this for i in $(ls /some/path)

George Edison

Will the Raring LiveCD ship with Qt5?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@strings that's a function of copy pasting from loads of examples online. people that learned that way built bad habits

myself included

strings

we all do but that one is the one that bothers me the most

AbrahamVanHelpsing

that's probably a website that should exist. script-isms that shouldn't exist.

strings

bash , well shell scripting is not strict enough. but thats the nature of it I guess

AbrahamVanHelpsing

02:01

all languages have them. i was just broadening the net

strings

atleast with bash you can set -ehu

unlike sh

RolandiXor

02:35

Hi all.

FEichinger

Bye @RolandiXor.

:P

iSeth

@RolandiXor Hi!

George Edison

o/

iSeth

\o/

George Edison

Any suggestions for a project name?

I'm thinking "Ask Ubuntu Troubleshooter".

FEichinger

02:45

"Project"

iSeth

oooh, you took it on then?

George Edison

Well... I'm willing to get it started.

My plate is very very full right now so I just want to register the name and throw some files in a repository.

iSeth

I guess Ask Ubuntu Troubleshooter would work.

George Edison

Okay, going once...

Going twice...

Done!

iSeth

"Ask Ubuntu Data Stealer"

:P

FEichinger

02:47

@iSeth "Minin' all day long!"

iSeth

ok, lets go for it @GeorgeEdison!

FEichinger

Hello @jrg

iSeth

@FEichinger lol

jrg

howdy

George Edison

@jrg: You are just in time.

RolandiXor

02:48

o/

George Edison

You will witness the start of something great.

jrg

eh?

iSeth

\o

RolandiXor

argh tabbed browsing makes me bad at multitasking

jrg

time for the start of the party?

iSeth

02:48

@RolandiXor O_o o_O

George Edison

GPL3 okay for everyone?

GPL3 it is then :P

RolandiXor

@jrg hi

George Edison

launchpad.net/autroubleshooter

iSeth

@GeorgeEdison shrug

George Edison

^--- There it is.

iSeth

02:49

wait, wait, wait.

just a min.

> What it should not do

jrg

ooohhh... shiny

@GeorgeEdison MIT

iSeth

> Gathering endless amounts of information like the whole package database states, all logs, etc. This will have the opposite result: taking a lot of time going through all the output.

jrg

i refuse to contribute to projects that are GPLed, moral grounds.

iSeth

okay, nv mind.

George Edison

@jrg I refuse to create a bunch of MIT-licensed software :P

iSeth

02:51

looks okay now.

George Edison

The GPL ensures everyone's contributions are available to everyone.

@jrg: Explain please :)

FEichinger

There are way too many different-yet-identical licenses.

3

jrg

@GeorgeEdison linuxjournal.com/article/5935

He sums it up nicely: Basically, when I mean "free" (not as in beer), in the case of software, I really mean "liberty".

3

which is to say, do whatever the **** you want, i don't care.

iSeth

@Mochan!

Mochan

I screwed up my computer again~ anyone wanna help~?

FEichinger

02:54

@jrg So, go with WTFPL then?

Mochan

@iSeth @iSeth!

iSeth

@GeorgeEdison Python or C++

George Edison

@iSeth C++.

iSeth

@Mochan I can try ;)

jrg

@FEichinger That really has no legal standing. I much prefer the MIT/BSD licenses.

iSeth

02:54

@GeorgeEdison oky.

Mochan

@iSeth Yay!

George Edison

@FEichinger The Unicorn Software License.

quickmediasolutions.com/unicorn

FEichinger

@jrg No license has any real legal standing ... And WTFPL is FSF backed.

George Edison

@jrg Fair enough - switching to the MIT license...

FEichinger

Not to mention that a license does not need "legal standing". That's why we have a crapton of them to begin with.

jrg

02:57

@FEichinger never knew that. I object to the FSF on other grounds, but it's more a personal problem than ethics.

FEichinger

They don't recommend it, obviously, but they list it and as such validate it.

jrg

@FEichinger and by legal standing, i mean "this license has been used in court at least once."

FEichinger

There is no reason to use a license that says "Do what you want" in court.

That would kinda defeat the purpose of the license, don't you think?

iSeth

sigh

Flabricorn

Oh, license discussions? No thanks.

iSeth

02:59

+1

RolandiXor

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