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izx

13:00

Messed up how? It's a built in kernel module...it's either loaded and works, or not loaded and doesn't.

jokerdino

i installed a package. and then updated the system and rebooted. and it stopped working :D

izx

@jokerdino: maybe try LMDE?

jokerdino

i abhor linux mint. Noooo

i am gonna just download another iso later

izx

Because Debian still isn't really mature enough as "Linux on the desktop", it appears

jokerdino

well, the installer was utter crap

i think ubiquity is hundred times better

izx

13:03

Precise-Ly ;)

ObsessiveFOSS

Hello all

izx

On another note, I'm curious to learn if the SOCKS allows you to bypass the dl limit restriction

jokerdino

i am gonna ssh now :D

izx

@Obs Hi kiddo

jokerdino

ok ssh works

got to try every day

izx

13:06

Don't forget the D1080 ;)

(mirrors.us.kernel.org is like 2ms away, btw)

jokerdino

heh i created an alias

ObsessiveFOSS

@izx Hello.

izx

Or how did BigGenius lovingly refer to you...*ossy-fossy*?

jokerdino

the suggested edits on SO is very fast. as good as you actually editing the post.

even when you need two people to review the edit

ObsessiveFOSS

@izx "Ossie-fossie".

izx

13:08

Many hands make light work.

jokerdino

@izx pro'lly

izx

I see @Obs. I hear you are back in Nisky?

Start working towards 3k rep so you can do your bit in the review queue and also be a crusader

ObsessiveFOSS

@izx I am doing so now, and am in Nisky.

msPeachy

@jokerdino You should compile possible fix for each chip per release since you've had first hand experience and you were able to fix it.

izx

@jokerdino you may find this useful if you want to set up multie tunnels: askubuntu.com/questions/150244/…

ObsessiveFOSS

13:13

Hold on, going down for a reboot...

izx

ALL HANDS ON DECK! Women and children first!!

msPeachy

@izx LOL

jokerdino

@msPeachy o.OO.o

@izx thanks

@izx xD

@msPeachy i can only do for 4313

msPeachy

@jokerdino I thought it was sent earlier, it was just lying here, lol

jokerdino

@msPeachy lol

why not post on meta?

izx

13:16

The solution is to pull out any shitty Broadcom card and stick a decent one in instead.

msPeachy

@jokerdino Well, there are lots of 4313 posts

izx

@msP: 4313 should work out of the box on Precise

jokerdino

@msPeachy yeah but not until someone says okay on meta

izx

Can you link one or two samples?

jokerdino

@izx it does if you freshly install but not when you upgrade

msPeachy

13:17

@jokerdino But you've already posted pretty much what I think

jokerdino

@msPeachy but say something.

msPeachy

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Q: Can we better organize Broadcom questions?

I would suggest if we can have one question for each of the Broadcom chipsets, with one answer covering each of the release. So, we would have one question about Broadcom BCM4313 (and other chipsets) and multiple answers with each of them targeting one release version each. The main reason behi...

izx

That boils down to blacklisting wl and loading brcmsmac

Journeyman Geek

@msPeachy: puppy!

msPeachy

@JourneymanGeek yeah, my new pet, this one's called Juno.

Journeyman Geek

13:19

XD

msPeachy

@jokerdino Ok, I will

jokerdino

@msPeachy thx

Journeyman Geek

Same name as my current personal desktop

I'm guessing its a girl?

msPeachy

@JourneymanGeek nope, it's a he

Journeyman Geek

XD

Juno is a girl name XD

msPeachy

13:21

lol, not really

ObsessiveFOSS

Sorry, long boot and AFK.

Journeyman Geek

Its the roman equivilent of hera

/me is a bit of a classics geek >_>

msPeachy

Ohh, I see

izx

Puppy!?

msPeachy

we initially wanted to call it Peter, but my younger sister insisted in juno.

jrg

13:23

@AmithKK sorta.

Journeyman Geek

XD

izx

@msP ignore the conservatives. Juno is good.

jrg

goes back to yelling at ciscos

ObsessiveFOSS

We need a more official city-council-like decision process.

msPeachy

@izx :) thank you. Are you on mobile again?

ObsessiveFOSS

13:23

More democratic, with necessary-and-proper clause to be used by moderators.

jokerdino

@ObsessiveFOSS check my answer on tagwiki question

izx

@msP: yes, if I'm not replying to posts but pinging manually you can always tell :)

ObsessiveFOSS

@jokerdino This is about general decisions.

izx

@Obs let's hold a convention

jokerdino

@ObsessiveFOSS i am not talking about your general decision. my ping has nothing to do with what you are saying.

izx

13:26

Aww jokeyd is being extra nice to kids today :P

msPeachy

@izx lol, that's what I thought.

jokerdino

@izx lol i am annoyed debian upgrade is dragging

izx

@Obs but nowhere hurricane-prone though ;)

ObsessiveFOSS

NAA:

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A: I can't use update manager, access Ubuntu related sites or Launchpad

Im having the same problem with ubuntu 12.04 ping -c 3 www.ubuntu.com PING www.ubuntu.com (91.189.89.88) 56(84) bytes of data. --- www.ubuntu.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2016ms traceroute 91.189.92.184 | grep --color=auto telia 6 hls-b3-...

izx

@jokerdino: Debian on the desktop is...underwhelming.

@Obs flag it and stop oneboxing.

jokerdino

13:29

@izx i am going for the kill

after debian, i am going for fedora, arch and gentoo

izx

Slack ftw ;)

jokerdino

@ObsessiveFOSS if you flag it, the mods will handle it. no need to post in the chat room.

izx

You can get one-on-one support from LnxSlck ;)

jokerdino

slack.

might go for opensuse too :P

hakermania

@jokerdino I've been in suse and I believe that you will like it !

jokerdino

13:33

@hakermania i am gonna circle the world of linux

is centos primarily a server edition?

izx

Dont forget SCO Unix! :D

jokerdino

ok no idea what that is

izx

CentOS = RHEL w/o the logos

jokerdino

ah right

izx

RHEL = squeeze with enterprise support

jokerdino

13:36

RHEL is rpm based right?

njallam

hello

jokerdino

i am gonna try more stuff.

izx

@jokerdino: fun reading:

Amith KK

BBL

izx

SCO–Linux controversies

The SCO-Linux controversies are a series of legal and public disputes between the software company SCO Group (SCO) and various Linux vendors and users. The SCO Group alleges that its license agreements with IBM means that source code that IBM wrote and donated to be incorporated into Linux was added in violation of SCO's contractual rights. Members of the Linux community disagree with SCO's claims; IBM, Novell and Red Hat have ongoing claims against SCO. On August 10, 2007 a federal district court judge in SCO v. Novell ruled on summary judgment that Novell, not the SCO Group, is the ri...

jokerdino

13:37

@izx this sounds familiar

izx

Hi @njallam

njallam

Anyone feel like doing some Crusading?

Raiders of the Lost Downboat

Place to sail the open sea, and search out boats to take down....

5

jokerdino

ok brb

izx

@njallam Is Constantinople under siege again!?

njallam

@izx whatever you say!

aking1012

13:50

I tried to salvage this question. Not sure if I should have salvaged it or voted to close it as NARQ. Someone want to check the edit:

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Q: Ubuntu and zeitgeist

For what does Ubuntu use Zeitgeist?. I am using Ubuntu right now and found out that Ubuntu desktop (so unity) work with Zeitgeist core and much more. I don't understand the difference between the film Zeitgeist and the package Zeitgeist. Does this go back to the word's original meaning?

zeitgeist

msPeachy

He's asking for an explanation between the movie and Zeitgeist package

jokerdino

@msPeachy check edit before commenting

aking1012

^^ that

jokerdino

@msPeachy you seem to comment without properly checking. make sure you check the edits before commenting. eg -askubuntu.com/questions/172800/…

Zignd

Awesome post on OMG Ubuntu - About Zeitgeist - Is Zeitgeist spying you - omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/is-zeitgeist-spying-on-you

msPeachy

13:58

@jokerdino sorry about that but I did not comment on the previous post

jokerdino

ok bye supper time.

@msPeachy commenting on chat counts.

BBL

msPeachy

@jokerdino ok

jokerdino

@msPeachy not trying to be harsh or annoying.. but try to check before commenting. nothing else.

msPeachy

@jokerdino and on this post, I was commenting on your comment not on the post, since you were suggesting the OP to post a question when he posted an answer with a link?

izx

What's a misplaced comment or two between friends, eh, paisano? :P

jokerdino

14:03

@msPeachy did you not check the edit?

aking1012

@msPeachy basically, before i cleaned it up it was someone being what i thought was unreasonable and inflammatory. i wasn't asking the meaning of the question (which i might have changed with the edit i made...but it was to take it from a rant to a question). i dumped it here to ask if people thought it was a salvageable question or if should have been closed as a rant/NARQ straight-away. here's the link to the edit stuff askubuntu.com/posts/180990/revisions

jokerdino

> the issue I have right now is that when I plug the headphones the speakers wont mute. hope someone will help.

@msPeachy --^

msPeachy

@jokerdino ok, got it

jokerdino

@msPeachy well, see. you did the same thing twice :P

msPeachy

ok ok ok

Journeyman Geek

14:05

@jokerdino: ugh, I had the same issue at some point

aking1012

@izx I pushed that comment in to the answer and credited

Journeyman Geek

can't remember how i fixed it

izx

IMO you should have deleted your comment at that point @jokerdino because it was obsolete; I don't see anything wrong with @msP comment on that one

@aking1012 no credit needed :)

jokerdino

@izx no he was having an issue which i thought was better to guide him to ask another question.

well, i was trying to be helpful.

aking1012

the disambiguation link was nice. i really think the question was trolling, but i had to give it benefit of the doubt until they roll-back the edit...then it's a vtc

jokerdino

14:07

but i hate that answer anyway

izx

Then you should have left it as NAA comment. While I understand your intentions, it created sufficient dissonance between comment and edited version that if I (or even Eliah, dare I say) had noticed it, we may have commented along similar lines as @msPeachy

jokerdino

@izx ofcourse i would have asked you to check the edit to know why i left that comment.

anything's better than just jumping out of the chat when someone's trying to tell you something

izx

:) drop a custom comment in these edge cases instead of one of the stock ones -- problem solved

Heh, agreed.

jokerdino

ok removed the comment and added URL comment

izx

Added q comment to OP below that.

All this heartburn over a hit-and-run 1-rep user who won't care one way or the other.... :/

sometimes I think we're too nice. I'd have left that as NAA sInce there are like 10 answers at that LP link

jokerdino

14:18

@izx heh i was just pointing you should take note of the edit on occasions.

if you get what i am saying, good. if not, okay. just don't show me the face.

@izx as i said, i hate that answer anyway.

izx

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then... IMO Its unreasonable to expect tlaggers/closers/etc to look at edit history.

I hate it too.

jokerdino

@izx hm okay. fine. moving on.

aking1012

@izx i agree there. i only asked in this one particular case.

jokerdino

this is going towards NARQ askubuntu.com/posts/180990/revisions

aking1012

@jokerdino i'm flagging it, voting it, and dropping a comment

jokerdino

14:22

@izx i'm gonna jump outta chat now.

GBEW!

aking1012

done. moving on.

izx

Oh dear, I seem to have started a chain reaction. :(

hakermania

@izx what are you referring to?

aking1012

It's fine. You didn't start it. It's the trying to be friendly to someone who seems to be trolling thing.

@hakermania see the link in going towards NARQ about 6 messages up

hakermania

hahaha

that's pretty funny :D

izx

14:29

@aking1012 I agree re NARQ on that one:

Why don't you install Ubuntu first so you can actually help us help you? "I had a problem but I can't tell you if your answer helped because I went back to Windows lol" — izx 1 min ago

aking1012

@izx voted

izx

These comments on trollOPs previous Qs are a hoot:

But it won't be raising the temrature will it? Can Intel processors handle 64 Bit systems? Because I downloaded the 64 Bit version and the name of the file already comes with "amd". — Thi G. Jun 10 at 1:12

It doesn't depend on how much RAM you have and much less the Manufacturer of the Computer, you can perfectly use the 32 bit with over 4GB of RAM. @ThiG. Intel CPUs handle 64 system since.. like 15 years ago, now in regards of the 32 vs 64 bit pros and cons And the amd suffix in the ISO images there are already answered questions here, please make use of the search field up there. — Uri Herrera Jun 10 at 2:19

aking1012

headdesk at least it was good for a laugh

izx

Who says no one remembers ia64 :D

jrg

@ObsessiveFOSS it's called "meta post, then moderators decide what to do, based off of that - normally it's fine, but sometimes we need to step in. Community exception handlers and all that. :)"

There is a process.

ObsessiveFOSS

14:35

Ah.

aking1012

@izx yeah, but didn't itanium have a slightly different instruction set?

ObsessiveFOSS

@aking1012 Yes.

aking1012

methinks 15 is too young to remember itanium and the intel asm manual differences between ia64 and generic x64. i think someone might be fibbing about their age :)

hey @jrg - can you check that flag for me please. i don't see that one resolving given the edit history

izx

@aking1012 I know, I think someone was just exaggerating-via-frustration at the troll :)

(had to get on desktop chat to see who's lurking and who's really stormed off :P)

aking1012

heheheh

izx

14:41

Trying to get non-b43 Broadcom wireless working on Debian Squeeze with no wired connection can make anyone ornery....

aking1012

visual receptors received broadcom. mental faculties going in to hibernate mode

4

izx

that's the surest way to avoid the serotonin storm that would otherwise ensue :D

jrg

oh, lovely.

@aking1012 thanks, you can see the difference.

aking1012

@jrg yessir. and thx.

jrg

> locked by jrg♦ 31 secs ago

izx

14:50

(deleted because they may be a potential employer someday) :P

aking1012

haaaaaahahahahaha

jrg

DIE CISCO DIE <--- We all hate cisco for various reasons.

Not deleted because I'm using their stuff right now and I don't like it.

aking1012

@jrg great hardware really. what's your issue?

jrg

@aking1012 finding the right manual is a PITA.

izx

Cisco can be...esoteric to the...uninitiated...

aking1012

14:52

@jrg uhm...not for me. get your cisco account set up. go to the online docs. you can sort by model and IOS version. do you not have a cisco.com account?

it's free btw

izx

@jrg can you look at and close this other NARQ too which has led to two of our regulars storming off in recent memory? askubuntu.com/questions/172800/…

@aking1012 I have to agree about the hardware part too (again, excepting "new" Linksys)

aking1012

@izx very true. they were just scared about the open firmwares providing small businesses with a way out besides buying $300 soho routers. so the linksys hardware got more stripped and DRM-ed. i switched to asus routers and open firmware.

can't really blame them on the business decision though

izx

I haven't given dual-band Asus N-routers a try -- so far loving Netgear with OpenWRT

@aking1012 bleh, personally seeing Cisco at Walmart kinda demeans the brand for me

aking1012

i guess. but you have to grasp that a 3650 EMI image is not a cisco home-ap

izx

But I thought everything Cisco was as easy as Cisco Valet! </troll>

aking1012

15:05

heh. why, oh why, doesn't SDM run on linux out of the box? that's my question. i mean it's a java app...

izx

Only the 1/10ths of it above the surface is in Java :P

aking1012

fair point. i got it running under wine after some finagling.

The Interrupter

Bounty offered: External USB Drive http://askubuntu.com/q/180149?atw=1 #server

Tweeted by AskUbuntu on August 27, 2012 at 3:00 PM

aking1012

15:20

@jrg my meta question was more for the benefit of the OP than myself...although a clarification on the boundary might be good...

jrg

heh

izx

@aking1012 We simply rollback inflammatory/annoying edits and after two go-arounds, flag for lock.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: How do we handle edits that seem to intentionally add inflammatory language?

The question in question is: Ubuntu and zeitgeist Check the edit history for details, but essentially: Question asked likening Ubuntu using Zeitgeist to God-lessness. Attempt to salvage question by rephrasing it as a "what is the difference between Zeitgeist the package and Zeitgeist the...

discussion

aking1012

okiedoke. so it's progressing as anticipated/desired. i was just making sure i wasn't having an unreasonable response to a situation

izx

Some might say you were being too reasonable...(as always :)

izx

15:49

Now that we've caught up with the review backlog, I love how quickly a legit candidate gets closed once the first close-vote is in...

aking1012

@izx absolutely

it also helps with the "5 users close-voting anything and running out" thing

izx

yeah, not having to highlight Qs in chat and beg for close votes most of the time is also nice :D

^^^ Our children IS learning! (reference to removed "hello all" from @AmithKK)

Amith KK

Greetings

@jokerdino me :P

jokerdino

@AmithKK :P

izx

@jokerdino WB :) Need any help with any wireless issues before I nod off again?

jokerdino

15:56

updating from chroot hits a wall

Fetched 1092 MB in 56min 20s (323 kB/s)
E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)

izx

dist-upgrade?

jokerdino

piece of crap doesn't let me do stuff

@izx yeah

@izx email id?

check my lp profile :)

izx

Will do.

karthick87

@izx where to paste that coding?? Which you have send for adding signature??

aking1012

i do find it funny that people are sketchy about posting their email address anywhere, but then usually sign packages with the key associated with their email address and dump it in a changelog....just saying

jokerdino

15:59

@aking1012 i don't trust Amith :P

but search for [email protected] and most of it hits chat.SE

izx

@aking1012 because people grepping changelogs are assumed to be sane :P

(and above 13)

aking1012

@izx fair point...maybe i shouldn't have dropped that hint

jokerdino

ok good night everyone

stupid debian got me today.

izx

hook it up to a wired conn in library

bye

jokerdino

@izx good idea.

bye

Amith KK

16:03

@jokerdino Good Night

aking1012

/me is thinking about upping the laptop to quetzal lubuntu. shudders at the thought of being one of the "super-smart canaries" - direct quote

jrg

@aking1012 IM A SUPER SMART CANARIE! I CAN SPEAK!

karthick87

16:22

@izx ?

izx

@jrg not smart enough to spell your own name though, I see :P

@karthick87 Hi karthick! problem?

aking1012

@izx well you know he could be about to keel over from the coal-mine gasses

izx

ROFLcopter

karthick87

@izx where to paste that coding?? Which you have send for adding signature??

izx

@karthick87 Oh, the signature text itself should go into the Account under Account Settings

but the %sig(2)% part should go into SmartTemplate

karthick87

16:25

So the %sig(2)% part should be pasted under the reply and forward ???

izx

one second, can you link to what I pasted? I want to make sure before I ruin something :)

George Edison

Lol... code.launchpad.net

win-cross is showing up on that list.

karthick87

@izx paste.ubuntu.com/1168359

izx

@karthick87 All of that should go in Reply/Forward

the actual text/quotation you want to use as signature should go under account settings

aking1012

780 to 10k....it's slowly creeping closer...

Amith KK

16:42

BBT

Good Night

GrSr

18:07

@karthick87 Hi

@aking1012 Hi I am here with more thing

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Q: Should there be a canonical "How/where do I get package X edge PPA" question?

Should there be a canonical "How/where do I get package X edge PPA" question? Alternately, should it be rolled in to the "What are PPAs and how do I use them" question? I've seen at least three questions in the last week that could have been answered/duped to: "This is how you search launch...

discussion

GrSr

@aking1012 why all modules are having same thing like this "Live 0x00000000
" ok i can guess for live that that module is active , but why all modules are having the same code as 0x00000000
?

aking1012

i've not seen that message. building modules in to the kernel is done by recompiling the kernel and changing the module options. use make menuconfig and look at how it changes from M to other things.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

18:23

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Q: Upstart: How to run an "stop" before stopping other services?

I recently found out about the upstart "service starter" that Ubuntu is using and that is (apparently) the future to start/stop jobs in Linux. It's pretty new to me (I was used to the old SysV system of putting scripts in /etc/rc[X].d/) and I don't know if it's possible to stop a service (call t...

ubuntu shutdown startup upstart

The Interrupter

Bounty offered: Bad DMA/do_IRQ errors on suspend/resume, with occasional freezing http://askubuntu.com/q/155785?atw=1 #dell

Tweeted by AskUbuntu on August 27, 2012 at 6:00 PM

hakermania

18:41

Can I edit a bounty's optional text?

aking1012

i don't think you can go back and edit it, but i know you can put a custom message when you bounty it

hakermania

@aking1012 can you edit this custom message? I've made a typo

aking1012

i've never tried. so idk

rlemon

18:56

Fedora 14, or CentOS 6.2?!?!?!?!

Anyone? For a virtual dedicated server

I have never used CentOS

but looks more enterprisy

aking1012

@rlemon packages lag from hell on CentOS. if you need even remotely recent packages, use fedora (if you're stuck with RH pseudo-brands)

rlemon

@aking1012 ok cool. Really I will be installing nodejs and a few custom modules to it. as well as a basic LAMP or similar.

aking1012

it's just my 2 cents. getting recent asterisk on CentOS quite some time ago was a beast b/c i had to repack all the dependencies individually and rebuild everything that depended on the updated dependencies. not so big a deal for a LAMP server, but as soon as you start getting complex?!? yeah. just my 2 cents

rlemon

well it's on shudders GoDaddy

godaddy.com/hosting/virtual-dedicated-servers.aspx

hakermania

19:25

Will anyone actually notice that I have a bounty of 500 ? I think that they trick it like it is 50, it only gained 4 views or so.. :/

aking1012

@hakermania we know. it's a C++ question, and i think most of the users of this particular site can't even set up eclipse, much less figure out how to perform an undocumented or no-example operation...just saying

hakermania

@aking1012 i've no rep in any other SO site...

aking1012

fair point

George Edison

20:11

Sometimes the tools that are supposed to help only get in the way.

rlemon

20:22

Anyone use Thuderbird?

I never get desktop notifications

Aarthi

Following this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/159727/how-can-i-use-a-passcode-generator-for-authentication-for-remote-logins/159728 I've set up one of my servers to use Two-Factor Auth w/ the Google Authenticator iPhone app. Very cool!

Tweeted by jeresig on August 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM

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He's someone important, right?

rlemon

the Hipsters love him

He wrote iQuery or something like that

George Edison

20:38

@Aarthi Uh... yeah.

He wrote jQuery which Stack Exchange uses :)

Aarthi

:D

oh good

George Edison

That deserves being starred.

ajmitch

s/stackexchange/half the sites on the internet/

ObsessiveFOSS

All shall italicize the word "bows" in reverence.

bows

BBT

The Interrupter

21:05

Bounty offered: How to start Wubi? ("Mount is denied") http://askubuntu.com/q/170169?atw=1 #wubi

Tweeted by AskUbuntu on August 27, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Roland Taylor

22:12

Hi.

George Edison

Hello.

jrg

@Aarthi And how did you find that? :)

Aarthi

@jrg BOLTY! :D

jrg

@Aarthi EXCELLENT. :D

Not surprising.

I having a real, 9-5 job supposed to be this stressful?

because if so, then I really don't want one. ;P

George Edison

22:32

Just for fun: I actually received an email from John Resig once.

jrg

bug report?

Roland Taylor

What's up folks?

George Edison

@jrg Sort of - I was curious as to why the stated size of the minified jQuery build on the homepage didn't match the actual size of the file.

jrg

GZIP!

George Edison

He was really nice about explaining that :P

jrg

22:41

I might see myself moving to lastpass.

Roland Taylor

@jrg that's one reason I prefer to work for myself - though sometimes working for myself is more stressful than a 9 to 5

jrg

@RolandTaylor i'm sure it's more stressful.

9 times out of 10. not as rewarding in terms of monetary compensation too. ;P

Roland Taylor

Exactly

That's why most successful are bums who make money by making other people work for them...

jrg

Dec 5 '11 at 16:47, by Bruno Pereira

Installing 12.04 on another desktop atm... It says Alpha, it should be safe!!!

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aking1012

@jrg that is hilarious

and it got my humour star

@jrg I'm not sure on that one. Initially, to be sure it seems less rewarding monetarily, but if you are in a large enough metro...I would think that being able to completely commit to a project would be MORE financially rewarding than a 9-5

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