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12:00
No idea, but it's always been part of compiz as far as i can remember
@jokerdino Theyre not supposed to do that to LTS.
i ws about to star that.. :(
jokerdino is the master of the removed comment :-)
now star that
he probably has a script to remove comments bound to a key
he's mastered it b/c he uses it infrequently. easier to up arrow ctl a, delete
12:02
I wish I can blush but my genetic make up doesn't allow me to.
anyway, UI is pretty interesting to argue about :-) I remember when OS X was still fairly young... so many mac fanatics arguing about the Dock. Then there would be the NeXT diehard that would say, they ruined the NeXT Dock!
I just remembered that we have this whole site about it. User Experience
Argue there and collect some rep along with it!
interesting... at first glance, a nice clean design :-)
I wonder if arguing there is like arguing at the bottom of the ocean where nobody can hear you.
Whenever I read some long discussion thread from Mozilla or Chromium developers, I want to stab myself in the eye, because they seem to often not care about the user experience.
@Mahesh things break. Move on
This bug finally turned 11 years old recently.
12:06
@ChanHoSuh and looks like mozilla doesn't care about Open Source, unless it comes to accepting donations or advertising
/and i'm not talking baseless. dig around mozilla web store
@ChanHoSuh That bug is not Mozilla's problem. Plug-ins seizing keys is another by design thing.
@serialstarrer Use your stars as if you only have seven stars to use. For your entire life.
I disagree. Allowing plugins to seize keys willy-nilly breaks UI consistency for the browser.
When your shortcut key to cycle through Firefox windows doesn't work anymore, it's broken.
Possibly. I think then you would get this game doesn't work. it used to though
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Q: How to troubleshoot "child pid n exit signal Segmentation fault (11)"

jippieSince I upgraded from Ubuntu server 11.10 to 12.04, the following errors appear in the Apache logs: [Thu May 17 10:24:10 2012] [notice] child pid 8057 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) And the related process is: www-data 8057 8049 0 10:22 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start I...

12:11
Well, I think at the least, they should provide an option. Something deep in about:config. But they refuse.
@jokerdino dont know what to say.
@Mahesh you say...looks like i'm out of stars for the rest of my life
Basically their position is that the user shouldn't have a choice in how they want things to happen on their end.
It's the same reason the Thunderbird developers won't let the user set an option to always wrap their email response.
i'm not out of stars, and to test, i've just starred one.
wht can i do when comments are so awesome? :( other than starring them
/quit
12:15
I don't think that's their position. I think wanting a toggle-box for every possible behaviour is a little over the top. For example, I did the unity lens toggling simple gui thing. If someone says, "I should be able to disable particular scopes" my answer will be "No. It's on, or it's off".
Danger mouse is here @fossfreedom
:)
hi-ya!
Re the Thunderbird thing, "Some other e-mail clients don't format outgoing e-mails in accordance with the standard. When replying in plain text, quotes may appear as a single line per paragraph (see this forum thread). Use Edit -> Rewrap to restore wrapping for those quotes." from kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_(Thunderbird)
OK, I am moving on. Who started this UI war?
Thunderbird devs have insisted for years now (5+?) that the user should not be able to set an option to automatically rewrap.
Yeah I could set up my own thing, but I basically decided I'm not going to support an app whose developers don't care about my needs. So I stopped using Thunderbird.
12:19
So I guess you are not using altavista.org as your search engine.
aking, I think most experienced computer users would find losing keyboard focus is horrible
it's not just one of every possible behaviors.
I think most experienced computer users would drive with flash disabled
Fair point ^
sometimes you have to turn it on
in fact, one nice way to enable/disable flash is through the keyboard
too bad the disabling part won't work if the app grabs your escape key or whatever
let me put it this way... there are a whole lot of Linux devotees that use keyboard-oriented window managers, programs, etc
Mozilla is basically saying "screw you" to them
they know the average user doesn't really care. The average Windows user will randomly click around anyway
No. The makers of the plug-ins should provide a release keyboard shortcut that no plugin-X app can ever use
12:23
in fact, the Chromium devs said that explicitly in a similar thread about Chromium's behavior
well, that would be nice
now you are sounding like one of the Mozilla devs
you've said both of their arguments so far :-)
1) there is no problem
2) it's not our problem
but funniily enough, a lot of Firefox users see it as a problem, and as one that Mozilla should fix
interestingly, IE and Safari do not have this issue
I have a theory about that, but you can probably guess
When you make free software something that comes along with that is the ability to take a stance on naughty software/plug-ins. I'm confident that may be the why.
The ffmpeg wall of shame was the perfect example
It often seems to come down to that, or something related. Basically someone will propose a solution and everyone else will shoot it down because it's not fully consistent or complete.
In the Chromium version of that Firefox bug report, someone pointed out that Firefox for Mac does not have this issue.
So one of the Mac Gecko people explained it was because they wanted to preserve UI consistency. So guess what another dev says?
He says that since that's not a solution they implemented on the other platforms, the Firefox devs should reverse the fix for Mac. So make Firefox for Mac as broken (from the user standpoint) as on the other platforms!
Okay. Now you're ranting.

New topic. It seems over half the patches to get Diablo3 working in wine are already in the wine-team ppa bzr clone
A topic where I don't have much to contribute.
I collected an announcer badge for spamming a Ask Ubuntu link on OMG Ubuntu article.
I just thought it was interesting that the patches were cleaned up and changed somewhat instead of paste applied. And neato
12:35
@aking Hmm where is your vimeo link with you in it?
Is on my webpage under about
I can't tell if I found the link or not.
OK I did.
It takes forever to load. I'll pass.
\o/ tumbleweed badge... on the wrong site. :(
jrg
jrg
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Q: How to understand a downvote

NirmikIs there any way to understand who or at least why a downvote was awarded? Because in 2 cases that I got a downvote, the answer seemed perfectly fine and also had upvotes from other users. The only thing being that they were simpler ways to go around the stuff instead of a sophisticated way fro...

guys, stop being so hard on him.
@jrg I am sorry. I was chatting with Sathya when it happened.
12:52
@jrg Yeah. I tried cleaning up his question a little on the no bounty one.
jrg
jrg
Technically, it's a duplicate guys. >_>
well, parts of it at least
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Q: Who downvoted my question/answer on Ask Ubuntu?

harisibrahimkvCan I know who down voted my question/answer on Ask Ubuntu so that I can ask him the reason for it?

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Q: Down voting consequences

Bruno PereiraI really understand that down voting should not be as easy as voting up over a good question/answer but the loss of rep associated with it makes it really something to avoid by a lot of users. I am still learning how to vote up, vote down but more important of all learning to add a proper comment...

@jokerdino the time of receiving the ball is not relevant!
I tried to be reasonable and left an answer.
@htorque ah yeah, the time the other player was about to pass to him.
jrg
jrg
@jokerdino oh, yes. i'm not blaming you, just pointing out that it's a dupe. ;)
you basically want to know whether a player outside of the field can "cause" an offside?
12:55
yeah something like that
ok, in that case: it doesn't matter whether the defending player is inside the field or not
oh?
bug in the rules.
why?
well, this does not apply if the player was injured
ah, bug fixed then.
how would it be a bug? the defending player could just step outside to cause an offside - that would be a bug IMO
13:00
I was thinking if they didn't consider if the player was injured.
if he gets an okay from the ref, he can leave the field and is no longer part of the game until he can return (again, needs an okay from the ref - cannot just join).
Makes sense. But what if you trip over at the crucial moment and cannot recover in time?
bad luck.
aww yeah
13:07
later on @htorque
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Q: How to highlight buttons in a GTK toolbar

David PlanellaI've written an application using Python and Glade. The app has got a toolbar with a dark background, and each toolbar button has got a custom image (i.e. no stock icons are used). I've noticed that when using stock icons instead of custom images as icons, whenever the mouse hovers over the butt...

@jrg ^^
Please brandish it.
@hey you need to be more specific. you want to find out what your dns server is set to, or you want to find out a particular mapping, or what?
hey
hey
@aking1012 Thanks for reply. I just want to see Domain name -> IP address
or something similar
the answer that was just posted will do that for you
jrg
jrg
13:12
@hey nslookup $domain.com
hey
hey
no, @jrg, it just returns result from DNS servers
but DNS stored in local machine too
jrg
jrg
Oh, are you talking about the dnsmasq server in 12.04?
hey
hey
I don't know
jrg
jrg
where did you hear about this dns cache? ubuntu doesn't have a dns cache.
hey
hey
yeah, it seems so
I am just preparing for my exam
it seems that browsers keep dns caches
13:15
yes, it does -- at least in the case of firefox for sure
hey
hey
cool then, thanks, cya
I wonder if this guy's Summary translates to anything meaningful: linkedin.com/pub/cyc-chaise-bryant/b/954/2a
Barely so.
13:31
Any master packaging people around? Trying to find out if there's a way to generate a pop-up on installation of a package. Like you still need winetrick X
jrg
jrg
just declare it as a dependency, the software center will handle it
What he said ^
jrg
jrg
unless its in another repo, in which case... you're in trouble
that goes in the debian/control file.
ubuntu-wine-team wine main doesn't have a debian folder at all :/
13:33
Make one?
jrg
jrg
They must have been off drinking when they were packaging... it makes sense.
trunk doesn't usually have a debian folder. That's what I have experienced.
true enough. what i was looking at isn't that it needs winetricks, but that it needs a specific winetrick(i see no package mappings for specific winetricks, so it's a postinst not a dependency)
build-deps?
13:36
0
Q: The video lens in unity is not showing up

patrickI recently upgraded from ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 lts. the unity launcher dosent show the video lens.

yep, that's the one i was thinking of
Right.
jrg
jrg
ok, all clean
thanks
i have a question... can i flag questions as dupe which have already been closed as dupe?
13:40
For what?
jrg
jrg
are you flagging as dupes of a different question?
Or because it is not directly duplicated of the main question?
@jrg yeah some of them as dupes for a diffrent ques
jrg
jrg
then flag away!
Welcome to Ask Ubuntu! This question should instead be filed as a bug report, thanks! Instructions here. — Jorge Castro Apr 30 at 21:19
Can we nuke it?
jrg
jrg
13:42
nuked
Thanks.
@jrg and wat if i flag them as dupes for the same ques
jrg
jrg
@Ashu whats the point if it's already closed?
maybe wants to divert traffic to a different question for redirect
@jrg fun....
13:44
Ouch
jrg
jrg
@Ashu ERROR: your reason is invalid.
@jrg srry just jokin
14:00
@JorgeCastro Thanks a lot going to try that out! Also, this new bug is a pain in my arse (bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/993523) :-P
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Q: Retrieve deleted files on Linux VM guest

ethanI use Ubuntu on VMware to learn how to use Linux. I used rm on some folders and mistakenly deleted some files from /etc. I have some very important files on it. Is there a way to retrieve that files, for example using Knoppix? If yes, how I can do it?

@KyleBrandt I'll see if Matt has time to look at it (our n-m maintainer) today
Have to manually overwrite my resolv.conf several times a day :-P
jrg
jrg
@KyleBrandt just get rid of the dnsmasq server, i think that will solve your problem
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A: Problems with dnsmasq in Ubuntu 12.04

jrgI have this inside my internal network, and I solved it by disabling dnsmasq. To do that, you need to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and comment the “dns=dnsmasq” line. Open a terminal, and run sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf Then, make sure that the line ...

since resolv.conf is uh, 'outdated' in 12.04
14:16
Hmm... that sound like crazy talk
outdated :) i like how stuff that worked forever gets slowly deprecated
jrg
jrg
crazy talk or not, thats my hunch
I was just called by someone from the US
very strange...
it was from Palo Alto, CA
no idea why they called me...
ever since my google account was hacked I've been a bit security paranoid, so I didn't pick up. the number was +1(650) 353-9140 no idea who they were, or why they would call me...
@jrg ok, thanks
jrg
jrg
14:27
at least, according to the internets that's what it is
it's probalby true, I activated 2-step login ever since my account was hacked.
@jrg: I don't have that in my config
[main]
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile

[ifupdown]
managed=true
That is the full file
@jrg I feared at first it was some random person from g+ O.o
What is segmentation fault http://askubuntu.com/questions/138407/what-is-segmentation-fault?atw=1 #segmentationfault
jrg
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@KyleBrandt ok, there goes that idea.
14:35
runs
You better run and run really hard.
Run like Forrest Gump.
jrg
jrg
WHAT 'CHA GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU?
Shudder
jrg
jrg
@rlemon feature request: Your argument is invalid meme
Paypal support for U1! W00t
@badp does badp mean bad person?
14:55
stares blankly at @jokerdino until he figures out the answer on his own
Looking at your Youtube channel, it seems bad pazzword. No idea what that one means.
Your blank stare didn't help the case.
Hello all
@jokerdino His real name was failbadp :D
@badp heh awesome
@badp What's the problem? Ask Ubuntu is currently fourth, above Gaming and below SF :P
@badp what's that huge spike on gaming, was that the contest?
15:17
@JorgeCastro Yeah, I've really been missing the compare feature for quantcast
@JorgeCastro that I believe would be Diablo 3
Yes!
SOMEONE KNOWS DIABLO HERE!
@AmithKK wat
oh, the current one being diablo 3
I mean the first huge one in october
It was on 9gag :D
@JorgeCastro oh. Skyrim
15:17
@JorgeCastro Skyrim
@badp Did you hear the Koreans beat it?
I heard you guys were going to rename gaming to skyrim at that point. :D
@AmithKK Yeah, yeah, I saw that too
@jokerdino It's no secret we might be getting an actual name too!
@badp eh? actual name? I don't understand you.
Yeah?
@jokerdino for the site.
like "Ask Different" instead of "apple.stackexchange.com"
You mean something like the Mi Yodeya?
15:20
It should be name "The Dungeon of Exchange" :D
@AmithKK You're late for coming up with ideas :)
@badp I am?
@badp alright got you
I think I broke time-space
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Q: Chat room for suggesting a new name for Gaming.SE

LaurenA couple months ago, David Fullerton posted a proposed new name for gaming.stackexchange.com: Game Council (see this post for details). Some members of the community supported the name, others were indifferent, and a few opposed it. We took these suggestions into consideration, and have gone thro...

15:22
Randomly throwing in questions because I am bored - askubuntu.com/questions/138435/…
Randomly Randoming because I'm randomly bored
@badp do you have access to the CSS to the site?
@AmithKK no moderator does
We have way less control than that on the site
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That should be discouraging.
Nah, it's not.
No, I make you think so.
15:29
SE has hundreds of moderators on 50+ sites.
The one thing I like is it lets you donate to an organization of your choice.
I always wanted to donate but I don't have the money or the means.
@jorge askubuntu.com/a/138460/25798 can you check if this answer is a-ok? I don't know dpm's standard nor his intentions in asking this question. I am assuming he is looking to build documentation about Quickly somewhere.
I probably might have made some factual errors as well. :'(
wait, where did he go?
15:49
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A: running a 32 bit .bin file on 64 bit Kubuntu

AshuType this in terminal sudo apt-get install ia32-libs This will install most needed 32 bit libraries and hopefully you will be able to run the file.

is this a dupe?
@AmithKK CSS of? i believe a look at the rendered html source gives you the references for css stylesheets used.
CSS of the site.
@Mahesh i.e power to modify it
ok.
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Q: Very slow Ubuntu server

noaI have an Ubuntu Server with 200MB RAM and 400MB swap space that has no heavy load. I used top to verify its load. However, it's very slow and takes several seconds to execute a ls command or other similar light commands. Can anyone suggest what the problem may be?

jrg
jrg
15:56
@UbuntuQuestionsonUL Well duh it's slow, 200MB ram is really not that beefy.
@jrg Yet, Its usable
@jrg argument is invalid?
adding to #ubuntu-app-devel. needs assistance.
jrg
jrg
wonder what his disk io is like
@jokerdino one moment
15:57
@jrg dpm wants to know how that actually happens.
jrg
jrg
@jokerdino oh, no clue
ouch.
but there is a bot in juju room
can't even find the room
good night all
@jokerdino Good Night
@jrg i need help.
not once when i need does it turn up. the option to add a comment 'nothing but a link'.
am i doing something wrong?? :(
jrg
jrg
16:06
questions or answers?
answers.
and @jokerdino do u have notification of a comment?
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A: How to understand a downvote

jokerdinoDownvotes are a means to tell the OP that his post is useful to the community in specific and to Internet in general. If you scroll your mouse over the downvote option you can see the overlay text This answer is not useful. That should already give you a rough idea on why your answer was downvote...

on this ^
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jrg
on meta or main?
both meta and main. want references?
@jrg: Person responding to the bug is talking about the dnsmasq stuff as well
"Nothing of the behavior for this should have changed in the last few releases with your configuration. We now explicitly install dnsmasq as a local resolver spawned by NM to facilitate handling DNS information when used with VPNs, and it does appear to work properly on my systems.

However, you're not using dnsmasq (missing dns=dnsmasq in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf) and have interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces.

Please try to reproduce the issue and include debugging logs (but make sure to clean them up first, as they may contain usernames, passwords, and other se
jrg
jrg
can you try in chrome or chromium? it's working fine for me in both cases.
16:10
I'm open to trying to put it the way it should be, but don't have an example :-P
@jrg ok. will report results in a while.
/busily reading posts on meta
jrg
jrg
@KyleBrandt ok, so lets debug this then. make your /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf file look like this - paste.ubuntu.com/992616
and then restart NetworkManager with sudo service network-manager restart
@badp hah, I just got Skyrim yesterday actually
/me is a bit behind on the gaming
@JorgeCastro FUS RO DAH!
@jrg wotcha doing? I have that query still and a ton of available flags
Round 2?
jrg
jrg
16:17
Go ahead, I'll clean up right after I finish this paper.
/me goes to wreck the queue
Okay, added the dnsmasq line and rebooted
after chow
The only thing in the resolv.conf now is "nameserver 192.168.1.1"
Looks the same after connecting to VPN
jrg
jrg
I'm out of ideas... is that your LAN ip before connecting to the VPN?
16:19
Yup, that is my gateway
Which is also a DNS server
@JorgeCastro did u get my ping earlier today?
Hey all, how would I switch my timezone on my linux box? the output of the date command shows GMT-14 and I want it to equal chicago time
@jrg: Can I see your network interfaces file?
jrg
jrg
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
(that's /etc/network/interfaces - what you were looking for, right?)
So nothing about eth0?
jrg
jrg
16:23
nothing, which is odd - that's what i'm connected with...
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
Or can I just take hammer to the network configuration as a whole and reset all configs?
jrg
jrg
I don't know what'd that do.
Hmm.. changed resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1, seems like it uses VPN's DNS servers if I use the FQDN, but there is no search it seems like
jrg
jrg
16:38
yeah, that's something i've experienced as well
@jrg wierd. it shows up just two entries everywhere. in chromium. trying to track it.
@Mahesh which one?
Are u refering to the ping?
Dear networking changes I hate you :-P
BBT
Good Night
16:47
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Q: How do I investigate boot and partition issues?

Jorge CastroMy machine won't boot, or won't choose the right operating system when I choose it in the grub menu, what information do I need to provide in my questions so people can help me?

@JorgeCastro found it. i was asking if this could be improved.
at this point of time in transcript.
oh sure, go for it!
7 hours ago, by Mahesh
@JorgeCastro we need to improve this:
http://askubuntu.com/q/90045/45659
The problem is, i dont know what can be added there, but strongly feel that its incomplete.
jrg
jrg
@Mahesh are you asking for a bounty on it?
'we need another awesomely epic answer for this'
ok, a bounty is a good option.
my reasoning is:
if a user is having boot issues, how can we expect him to boot up, use boot info script, and report the results?
in cases where the thing is badly screwed up, we need a better alternative.
oh, maybe add a thing for using the livecd?
jrg
jrg
16:51
100 rep bounty coming up
something like that.
i dont know what exactly could be done. but it surely needs improvement.
jrg
jrg
bounty offered
@jrg make sure the reason is mentioned prominently
jrg
jrg
that prominent enough?
:D lets hope that helps.
16:54
dunno, the whole boot thing sucks on AU
but we've got to live with it.
no we don't
superuser isn't flooded with "my computer doesn't boot" over and over
and wait for windows 8. we're really going to love it. :P
jrg
jrg
i refuse to live with something that nutty
SU is not advertised in any installation media.
16:56
su is by far larger than us
as long as we are advertised, as long as Ubuntu expands, if users are lazy enough not to search around, i dont see an alternative.
jrg
jrg
we were beating serverfault weren't we?
ps: note the italicized part.
jrg
jrg
oh wait, we still are on questions per day

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