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George Edison

00:08

@jrg stackmobile.com should work well enough from within Lynx.

jrg

@JorgeCastro I'm walking him through debugging via twitter, it's working well enough. :)

Jorge Castro

heh

jrg

@jrgifford It fixed one problem (randomly jumping pixels) but still no Unity. I'll just reinstall Ubuntu. Thanks for trying!

Tweeted by minitechme on May 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM in reply to jrgifford

dangit

rlemon

Please tell me one of you have D3 working in WINE on 12.04 64 bit

i wanna play SOOOOO BAADDDDD

George Edison

I thought you pasted a link to the Wine AppDB earlier?

rlemon

00:20

32 bit :(

George Edison

Wait - it won't run on 64-bit Ubuntu?

You are using a 32-bit wine prefix, right?

rlemon

appdb.winehq.org/…

if you would be so generous to direct me from here?

i'm lost... and anxious and have been at this now for like 2 hours :<

George Edison

I'm confused.

Why don't you just try running it?

rlemon

error

George Edison

What error?

rlemon

00:21

us.battle.net/support/en/article/BLZPTS00008

first package it tried to load from the installer fails.

George Edison

The page you linked to earlier mentioned applying some patches to Wine in order to get it to work.

rlemon

eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4065186688?page=1

tried that

wont patch on a 64 bit system

have to install the 32bit drivers?

George Edison

That's bizarre - because you're not using a 64-bit system (at least from Wine's point of view).

...unless you actually are.

Did you compile Wine from source?

rlemon

i am using a 64 bit system.

tried that

but it wont compile because it's the 32 bit source

i can't find 64 bit source

George Edison

You need to build it for 32-bit Ubuntu.

I think that's where the problem lies.

...and here are instructions:

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A: Compile 32 bit on 64 bitsystem

Use "--build" and "--host". ./configure --help System types: --build=BUILD configure for building on BUILD [guessed] --host=HOST cross-compile to build programs to run on HOST [BUILD] You need to use ./configure --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu to compile for ...

The technique is called 'cross-compiling' because you are targeting an architecture other than the one you are building on.

aking1012

00:50

@GeorgeEdison 'wine refuses to compile 32bit on x64 systems thanks to multiarch' <-- just a note. reference: appdb.winehq.org/… but I haven't tried it myself

George Edison

01:01

You could always set up a chroot though, right?

aking1012

Definitely. I was only pointing out the possible difficulty. My recommendation would be apt-get source from this PPA, applying the patches, and compiling native launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa/+build/3484539

jrg

well, that's nice. the homebrew recipe for byobu works on Ubuntu out of the box. :D

George Edison

@aking1012 If you could get the patches into a Bazaar repo., you could set up a build recipe on Launchpad.

It would be a bit harder than it sounds, but possible.

aking1012

I've never done that...do you have a url to a guide handy, or is it an i should googleit thing

@jrg hi

George Edison

Build recipes? Sure, one sec...

jrg

01:07

Howdy!

George Edison

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Q: How do I use a Launchpad recipe for patching and building an original package?

I have a patch against vim which applies to packaged version. I would like to automate this, so that when new ubuntu is released, the newer unpatched vim gets patched & built using a recipe. I read documentation on recipes, though I am not sure how to apply a patch. Should I create branch wi...

That seems to apply.

aking1012

Good deal. I'll give it a look

Sombody just got some upboats

I've been staring at this other project so long, I can't focus any more. Maybe changing gears and trying wine-build/patch will help bring me around

aking1012

01:24

@rlemon - if you're still around and don't have this working...lmk. i'm going to try out the bzr branch/recipe thing. i don't have a copy of Diablo3 to test against(which is I suspect what you're wanting)

aking1012

01:40

@GeorgeEdison added a link to the official launchpad bzr recipe guide too

George Edison

Ah, great.

aking1012

Before I beat my head in a wall wondering if you can do it, do you know if you can change the install target directory that way? As in, if I wanted to make a separate wine install in /opt so people didn't have to risk breaking their current wine-apps to test it...

nm...package dependent. it would be just another patch to a makefile if it uses a native build-system and not some debian thing

aking1012

01:56

Brief aside: I wish tutorials would use [launchpad-login]/[ppa-name]/[branch-name] instead of a seemingly existing package. It would read a lot more clearly

sauravrt

Installed Dnscrypt and Unbound. Set unbound listening on 127.0.0.1 and forwarded to dnscrypt listening on 127.0.0.2:40

Everything works untill I connect to work VPN

aking1012

Knee-jerk is that your work DNS doesn't support SSL connections, but like I said...it's a knee-jerk. I have no factual basis for that

Questions Feed

02:21

Need help with Griffin PowerMate USB volume controller - new 64 bit desktop & Ubuntu 12.04 http://askubuntu.com/questions/138148/need-help-with-griffin-powermate-usb-volume-controller-new-64-bit-desktop-ub?atw=1

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on May 17, 2012 at 2:14 AM

aking1012

03:22

If I get these patches for Diablo3 working and in ppa, should I submit them to the wine-team? Is there a way to do this without filing a bug?

rlemon

I ended up caving and installing windows

Night

aking1012

03:39

@rlemon Boo

@lazyPower o/

I'm reminded of the diffs of diffs observation in that guy's video demo(the WAT guy)

lazyPower

o/ @aking1012

ahoy

When you recursively diff a diff - you open black holes across the universe so use it wisely. a vertible paradox you might say

@aking1012 ITT wants to bring me back in after i graduate this semester to teach a class

aking1012

I would so do that in like 5 seconds

<-- repacks wine for a user that wants to play diablo 3...realizes the user was complaining...feels irritated

lazyPower

i havent gotten d3 to work in wine

aking1012

lots of people claim it works almost out-of-the-box

lazyPower

then again istill dont have unity 3d working on this system either ....

uhh i cant even get the patcher to run due to some kind of network implementation i dont have.

oronno - doesnt bother me to reboot to game now and again

Shyam K

03:47

hmm.. for gaming I use windows else for work its ubuntu all the way :D

aking1012

@lazyPower exactly. i don't mean basically running. i mean really running

lazyPower

ooohhh

@ShyamK +1

aking1012

@ShyamK i do too, but it would be nice for some users not to have to pay the windows tax to use D3. i would rather some guy with no money be able to play the game than have 25% of the cost of windows covered

Shyam K

whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu and all the other denominations? other than the looks

@lazyPower :D

lazyPower

@ShyamK preconfigured packages, what desktop interface, what dominant gui library, app integration

you know, configuration stuff

aking1012

03:50

@la you still don't have unity3d working???

>.>

lazyPower

nope

last i checked my card status was still affected by lack of nvidia bins

so i'm patiently waiting

Shyam K

@aking1012 hmm.. well thats true but cracked versions of windows are always available.. so the ones with no money for the original can use the cracked ones .. (piracy is bad.)

aking1012

piracy doesn't touch my desktop. too much rootkit floating about there...and that whole moral dilemma

Shyam K

@aking1012 you need a grfx card for unity? no wonder it was so stucky on my old system..

lazyPower

unity 2d is fairly snappy

aking1012

03:53

cool. my vid card is beast, so i've got no issues...but i told myself i was getting it for opencl for 5 minutes or so before i bought it

Shyam K

unity 3d is like 1 gb to download.. major shit eh?

aking1012

rep farming from collaborating users irritates me

Shyam K

@aking1012 rep farming?

aking1012

@ShyamK it was included in my base install

@ShyamK when a near 1-rep or near 100-rep user asks a question, and another answers the question wholly inadequately. then when you call them on it, updates to a pretty, but less than adequate solution

Shyam K

aah.. thats a nice deal.. how'd you get it with your base install..?

I had to download it and that too a student version or something. :(

lazyPower

03:58

wat?

aking1012

@lazyPower askubuntu.com/questions/138183/…

lazyPower

pwned

@ShyamK the only thing i can think of that you're looking at is the unity3d 3d modelling library business...thingy...

@ShyamK ubuntu.com/tour/en unity is featured in this tour

Shyam K

@lazyPower k.. I guess so.. never actually played with unity.. had plans to do so.. but I suck at model creation and the interface was stucky so... I quit then

aking1012

you keep saying unity, when it sounds like you mean blender

Shyam K

@aking1012 nope.. blender is modelling only.. right?.. unity is using these models and creating a scene for a game or something like that.. right? :D

I (at the office) got an issue with my lap (at home right now :( ).. I can't use bluetooth in it.. It shows the option as 'Off' and I can't turn it on.. the slider thingy doesn't work :( ... maybe a driver issue? It works in windows but not in ubuntu. :(

aking1012

04:12

blender has a scene and game engine

@ShyamK rfkill

Shyam K

@aking1012 oh.. okay.. That I didn't know.

@aking1012 rfkill?

oh okay.. rfkill the application..

aking1012

you can't test it now, so there's not a lot of point in getting in to it. i suspect it's stuck in a blocked state

Shyam K

but wifi works fine.. just the bluetooth part.. :(

Ya you're right. Can't test it now. :(

A lot of prompts in the installation of 12.04 eh? any method to do the same via terminal ?

aking1012

<-- is done. I haven't heard anything positive yet. And yes. There is. And yes, rfkill applies to bluetooth

Shyam K

@aking1012 k thanks for the clarification

Shyam K

04:38

back to my crontab issue.. Was too sleepy yesterday to continue the conversation.

so I could get the cron to run a particular python file.. Any one here with knowledge in the area?

Santosh

How to go back a directory in Terminal? In Command Prompt it was cd followed by two dots..

Shyam K

@Santosh cd ..

Santosh

hmm.. works! just difference of a space..

Shyam K

05:00

@Santosh yes..

Ask Ubuntu Meta

05:25

0

Q: The reputation on deleted question

I think the bounty/reputation should be preserved for the answers even after the question is deleted. I mean you give an answer and it is accepted and then question gets deleted because of some reason... It is not my problem.So, the reputation earned through votes up or accepted answer must not b...

feature-request reputation accepted-answer deleted-questions up-votes

0

Q: How to understand a downvote

Is there any way to understand who or atleast why a downvote was awarded.? Because in 2 cases that i got a downvote,the answer seemed perfectly fine and also had upvotes from other users... The only thing being that they were simpler ways to go around the stuff instead of a sophisticated way fr...

discussion support feature-request

Roland Taylor

-_-

Only with the humanity theme...

Did some cleanup of my themes, reinstalled the humanity/ubuntu mono themes... but nothing

they won't stop doing this...

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Bounty offered: How can I programmatically change the keyboard layout in precise http://askubuntu.com/questions/135305/how-can-i-programmatically-change-the-keyboard-layout-in-precise?atw=1 #keyboard

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on May 17, 2012 at 5:14 AM

Shyam K

python command to close firefox?

jokerdino

05:45

1

Q: How to Close a program using python?

Is there a way that python can close a windows application? I know how to start an app, but now I need to know how to close one.

python

aking1012

6.7k 1 6 24

11.10 installation 12.04 eclipse 10.10 unity 10.04

6666 wow delirious man

Shyam K

@jokerdino thats for windows.. i'm using ubuntu..

jokerdino

Search for the knowledge, man.

Shyam K

@jokerdino Am doing that.. trying popen and the like right now :D

jokerdino

Nice

htorque

06:04

good morning

jokerdino

good day

Jan 16 '11 at 19:51, by htorque

io vorrei 6000 punti di reputazione!

Feb 26 at 9:35, by htorque

you'll know in 6000 rep :P

Feb 26 at 9:36, by htorque

in 6000 (additional) rep

I don't know what I am doing.

jokerdino

06:48

-2

Q: How to understand a downvote

Is there any way to understand who or at least why a downvote was awarded? Because in 2 cases that I got a downvote, the answer seemed perfectly fine and also had upvotes from other users. The only thing being that they were simpler ways to go around the stuff instead of a sophisticated way fro...

support feature-request downvoting

Err, hmm, hallo?

htorque

07:47

@jokerdino right. what was that all about? :)

jokerdino

It took me 3 months to get 3.5k rep. :(

It's gonna take forever to get 10k rep.

htorque

well, it took me eight months.

jokerdino

I have one month to go.

sigh

htorque

what's happening then?

jokerdino

I start studying for my exam.

htorque

07:53

what's more important? ask ubuntu or your education?

6

:D

jokerdino

Education, doh!

Though I probably spend more time on Ask Ubuntu than doing my assignments.

htorque

48,031 questions - we are closing in on 50k

jokerdino

Do we need overheating?

htorque

no

who should be looking for an overheating tag? an overheating expert?

jokerdino

LOL fair enough.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

08:13

0

Q: Make [home] a synonym of [home-directory] and merge the two tags

There are 135 questions tagged home 52 questions tagged home-directory The excerpts for both are nearly the same, implying the same use: home: Questions about users' home folders or the actual /home directory are appropriate. home-directory The home directory is the directory in...

support tag-synonyms retag-request

Santosh

In gedit, how can I make the all the HTML snippets available when working with PHP files?

Mahesh

08:28

ok, the mad man is back!!! :D

/expects applause

Questions Feed

Bounty offered: How to set one Virtual Desktop as the "external monitor" source on 12.04? http://askubuntu.com/questions/136260/how-to-set-one-virtual-desktop-as-the-external-monitor-source-on-12-04?atw=1 #multiplemonitors

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on May 17, 2012 at 8:14 AM

htorque

if i had received a dollar for every time the startup disk creator created an unbootable usb drive, i'd be rich.

Mahesh

08:45

anyone remembers what should i press to boot after editing grub entries?

jokerdino

Enter?

Mahesh

hmm.... nope.

i see grub menu, press e to get into edit mode,

fiddle with something,

and now i need to boot.

so what do i press?

jokerdino

I can't remember

Mahesh

i know its written down on that screen after i edit, but i cant restart my lappy now.. :(

anyone has a vm set up?

ok, why dont i google??

jokerdino

Good luck

> Stackoverflow is nothing but a newbie swamp, a collection of Indian IT idiots asking questions without doing basic research.

That made me think. :)

Mahesh

08:54

@jokerdino where did u find that?? :P

jokerdino

exceptionallyexceptionalexceptions.blogspot.com/2012/05/…

Mahesh

and all google results show something that i know is false.

either my memory's too bad plus i'm over confident, or, the info is outdated

huh! setting up a vm now, just to check this. pch

jokerdino

So, whenever you are going to ask me another question, I am going to quote that.

Mahesh

too bad i've deleted one just yesterday

@jokerdino that doesn't stop me from asking. :P iirc, i once said, jokerdino's my google. and how cn i not ask google? :P

jokerdino

Heck no!

Mahesh

09:01

lol

btw, i was not in a very good mood yesterday. did i trouble you?

jokerdino

What happened yesterday?

I was busy with Super user questions.

Mahesh

i dont remember anything specific. may be thats coz no one replied my texts.

ok, for the record, never, never, try setting up a vm using a mini iso, when you have a full iso handy.

jokerdino

OK

Mahesh

its taking forever.. :(

htorque

:4634741

> So basically, I had to earn 50 points before I can comment. But I can't earn any points until I understand the question or there is at least enough information in the question for it to be answerable, or at least until it is actually a question.

that's right, so where's the problem? :P

jokerdino

09:09

'Indian IT idiots' are the problem.

htorque

lol, oh the comment

well, it's a lot of IT idiots, not only indian! :D

i also asked dumb newbie questions there...

jokerdino

Yep, it happens to everyone :P

And SO is just too huge to be policed.

But, then again, to be answer banned, you need to post so many crappy answers.

htorque

it's just that research and thinking takes more time than waiting on an answer on SO

and time = money :P

@jokerdino yeah

and you definitely get feedback first

like: "this is not an answer, dammit!!!!!" :D

jokerdino

Hahah, so true so true

And, when you click on "Post answer", you get some kind of a warning.

htorque

that's so weird... i had to completely power down my notebook so that activating the internal mic via BIOS worked. even had to unplug the AC adapter and the battery. maybe i should make this a QA, because at first i thought it's an ubuntu problem...

jokerdino

09:17

Like make sure it actually answers the question, etc.

@htorque Weird..

2

A: How can I reset my HP 2000 Wifi card?

You need to do a hard reset. To do that, follow these directions: First, disconnect all peripheral devices, remove all USB devices and media cards, including mice, external keyboards etc etc etc. Now, disconnect the AC power adapter, remove the battery, and then press and hold the power button ...

As weird as this answer ^

htorque

yeah, like that

i wonder how many "mic not working" questions would be answered by that...

jokerdino

In loads, perhaps.

Alright, alright. That was a weird question.

Mahesh

09:42

lets mark it answered. Upboats&comments welcome.
http://askubuntu.com/a/138302/45659

jokerdino

too long; didn't read

Mahesh

10:03

@JorgeCastro we need to improve this:
http://askubuntu.com/q/90045/45659

Expecting a user to run boot-info script when he is unable to boot, seems funny to me. Details necessary

I was about to post a pro-forma comment on a boot issue, and this q is linked from the comment, so thats how i noticed it.

Mahesh

10:46

@jokerdino u there?

can u confirm that a window cant be minimized by clicking its launcher icon? I'm gonna file a bug against that. there are none existing

Questions Feed

11:16

Bounty offered: Keyboard shortcut (accels) forgotten after reboot? http://askubuntu.com/questions/73962/keyboard-shortcut-accels-forgotten-after-reboot?atw=1 #nautilus

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on May 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Mahesh

a little bug heat would help here. mark it as 'affects me'

Minimize Application's Windows upon clicking its Launcher Icon

What I do miss in Natty (Alpha 3 + daily builds) is the possibility to click on the app. icon on the Unity launcher bar to minimize all windows of that application, not only to launch/restore it. mlaverdiere's futher addition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/733349/comments/2 My suggestion would be to modify the interaction-design/process like this (*=my modification proposal/2 cents!): 1) start it, if it hasn't been started yet; *2) restore it, if it is minimized; *3) focus the app, if it's started, not minimized and has not the focus yet; 4) spread windows (of app), if app is focused and has multiple windows open; *5) minimize it if it is in spread-mode (see 4).

Ayatana Design

Undecided / Won't Fix

jokerdino

11:37

@Mahesh just came back from dinner

Chan-Ho Suh

How did you get dinner?

jokerdino

Boarding school catering.

Mahesh

ok, man, i dont want to hate ubuntu

jokerdino

@Mahesh status-bydesign

Chan-Ho Suh

Can you bring me some extra food the next time?

@Mahesh, Ubuntu is so easy to hate! :-/

jokerdino

11:39

I hope you don't dislike the food.

Mahesh

@jokerdino and i dont see any explanation that makes sense.

jokerdino

I'll explain then.

Chan-Ho Suh

oh man, I knew I was going to regret making that remark... now someone has liked it. >< Who was it?

jokerdino

You can delete it if you're quick enough

Mahesh

/raises hand :P

Chan-Ho Suh

11:40

I'll live with it.

jokerdino

Alright, why do you want the window to minimize when you click on the icon?

Mahesh

@ChanHoSuh you probably have no other option now. :|

Chan-Ho Suh

hey this sounds like fun... bickering over UI

Mahesh

@jokerdino coz its commonsense, atleast to me.

jokerdino

If you really want it, use the third party fork.

Mahesh

11:42

theres no animation or visual feedback when u click something in launcher.

EVERYONE who tried ubuntu for the first time had this complaint.

Chan-Ho Suh

Mahesh, why would clicking on it minimize when in spread mode? Doesn't make more sense that it would "un"-spread?

jokerdino

Let's say you have two window of diff apps open, click on the window icon that you want to see instead of minimizing this other window.

If it is a window of same app, it goes to spread mode, and you can choose the window you want.

Now, where does minimize fit in?

Mahesh

ok, looks like i'm alone here.

Chan-Ho Suh

I'm not disagreeing... just asked.

jokerdino

All the people complain because Windows did that.

Mahesh

11:46

i agree that its not easy to have uniformity with minimize behaviour included

Chan-Ho Suh

well, Mahesh, I suspect the devs want the launcher to be more like an OS X dock

not a windows taskbar

jokerdino

Not because users want it but because they became accustomed to it. When users started questioning why they do things the way they do and realize the shortcomings, they will stop complaining.

Mahesh

@jokerdino NO. people complain because they find it unintutive.

and windows doing that shows its possible.

Chan-Ho Suh

i find the behavior completely intuitive because I used OS X for years

so what you really mean is that people coming from Windows find it unintuitive...

jokerdino

It is not whether it is possible or not. It is by design.

Chan-Ho Suh

11:47

in the end, "intuition" in UI is largely what you're used to

Mahesh

we dont want to be unique, or mac-like. we want to be usable.

@ChanHoSuh Users were used to Gnome i believe, b4 unity existed.

and Gnome had this thing.

Chan-Ho Suh

that's true

Mahesh

so, the current behaviour is intutive only to mac-users

jokerdino

Well, if you want to resist change as long as you want, I am not stopping you.

Chan-Ho Suh

but my point is "usable" is largely a function of what you're used to. It's not like this ideal thing that is floating out there, independent of experience

jokerdino

11:49

I gave my $0.02 and it is up to you to take it or not.

Chan-Ho Suh

well, and GNUStep users :-)

Mahesh

@jokerdino I starred that, and i'm not opposing change.

Chan-Ho Suh

still a lot of people using good ol' GNUStep

Mahesh

GNUStep?

jokerdino

gnustep
GNUstep is a free software implementation of Cocoa (formerly NeXT's OpenStep) Objective-C libraries (called frameworks), widget toolkit, and application development tools not only for Unix-like operating systems, but also for Microsoft Windows. It is part of the GNU Project.

I am using Google dictionary extension in GChrome

Mahesh

11:51

i prefer FF.

and thats another problem.

Chan-Ho Suh

anyway, you've highlighted an interesting conundrum I've wondered about

why is Canonical seemingly trying to make a clone of OS X?

"clone" is maybe too strong a word... more like "influenced"

jokerdino

I don't think it is a point of cloning. More like a smarter UI.

Chan-Ho Suh

well, let's say they are strongly influenced by it

but their users are not! (mostly)

Mahesh

agreed.

jokerdino

It could be influencial. It might be individual design research. Ending up in similar products.

Chan-Ho Suh

11:53

well... all I can say is: iOS. :-/

Mahesh

we need choices. And i understand that i cant demand anything when things are FOSS.

jokerdino

I think we don't even need to minimize a window. What's the point really? And do away with desktop as well.

But that's just me.

Chan-Ho Suh

recently I have been focusing more on using workspaces... no desktop, no minimizing

just create another workspace when needed

jokerdino

Same here. ^^

Chan-Ho Suh

if I want to see my wallpaper (lol), I just create another workspace

jokerdino

11:56

Yeah, people who migrated from Windows haven't grasped the concept of workspace management effectively yet.

Mahesh

@ChanHoSuh using Unity? I doubt thats not so easy. too many mouse clicks.

Chan-Ho Suh

no, I've been using i3

just mod key plus a number will create a workspace or take you to one if it's been created

workspace gets "destroyed" when you leave it and no windows are open there

Mahesh

@jokerdino ok, you get another star. and i have to agree. but super+w doesn't show windows from all workspaces, so i had to set up ring switcher.

jokerdino

@Mahesh Now that's a bug (regression) being fixed.

aking1012

I still ctl+alt+arrow around four workspace and change the 2x2 back to 4x1 and put it on a desktop cube

jokerdino

11:58

OMG! Lurker

Mahesh

@jokerdino and thats enough of a reason to not use workspaces effectively, for a new user migrating from windows.

Chan-Ho Suh

the good old cube! lol, hello aking

aking1012

hello

jokerdino

@Mahesh well, they broke that in 12.04

Chan-Ho Suh

I was wondering the other day... I saw some kind of presentation by someone using SUSE and he had the cube. Who invented the cube effect anyway?

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