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8:13 PM
sho gwuiet 'round khere
 
White noise...
 
8:31 PM
I iz busy with Java.
 
My wife's ancestors are from Java.
 
No, not that Java :P
 
A cup of Java?
 
Guess again :P
 
now I'm out of ideas...
 
8:42 PM
PHP?
 
PHP Java?
 
PHAVA
 
JavHP
 
PHP Java Perl.
 
you know what they used to say about real men, @Serg?
 
8:49 PM
(Why does that remind me of puppy monkey baby?)
 
BASH may be the shittiest programming language ever. Really gives PHP a run for its money.
In other news Jeff and I disagree on a lot of things o_O
 
Internet high five
 
@ByteCommander no I don't . . . And how do real men differ from synthetic androids ?
 
@NathanOsman you had to bring that up?! shudders
 
@Seth Don't you think that adequately describes a language that combines Java, Perl, and PHP?
 
8:50 PM
@Serg they don't remove their messages :P
 
It would be... hideous, to say the least.
 
@NathanOsman sure. but suppressed memories!
 
Lol.
 
@ByteCommander well, I don't consider myself a real man, I am a young adult , around 17, mentally
 
@thatcoderiguana @codinghorror onestly I have a hard time imagining any case where bash is a better choice than a few lines of, say, python.
someone doesn't know bash very well, methinks
 
8:51 PM
Why all the support for Bash?
Yes, it's perhaps convenient.
But it is by no means easy to use.
And it's very easy to mess up.
Shell injection, anyone?
 
@NathanOsman that's relative. I can whip out something simple in bash much faster than python.
 
@Seth to make a short statement ? Bash perhaps is better. But for heavy-lifting and large data processing ? I'll go the snek route
 
@Seth For simple tasks like launching a program with a long string of arguments, yes. I won't argue. It's easy to get a script that does something basic up and running quickly.
 
@Seth I don't believe you.
 
@NathanOsman it takes time getting used to keeping in mind that word splitting is a thing and all the variable expansions and so on and so forth
 
8:53 PM
But for anything involving text processing... blech
 
eh, depends on what processing you're doing. grep and basic sed with pipes is way easier than anything in python.
also cut.
 
No. Nono ^
 
I'm just saying, don't bash (no pun intended) someone else's hammer just because you don't know how to use it.
 
Now I am hurt.
 
@JacobVlijm that wasn't directed at you
or anyone in particular
 
8:55 PM
:)
 
@Seth here's the thing , though, grep and sed are external commands. If you're doing everything purely with built-ins and variables and expansions, it can be PITA. And once you get into 10,000 line range . . . boy, them while loops in bash are going to slow down dramatically
 
@Serg dude, if you're in the 10,000 line range you're programming and not scripting.
 
This is about the most complex thing I've written in Bash: gist.github.com/nathan-osman/4942570
 
^ which is a proven fact ( one up)
 
And I'd like to keep it that way :P
Oh oops. Wrong link.
There.
 
8:57 PM
looks at his github.com/SergKolo/sergrep repository . . . well, I guess I've been programming in bash . . . all along . . .and not scripting
 
@NathanOsman was gonna say :P
@Serg tbh, yes, you have :P
you've done a lot of things in bash I would never have used it for. But hey, you know it better than I do now too ;)
 
Escaping in Bash is a nightmare if you don't perfectly understand how it works.
 
@Seth in my defense, at that time I didn't know any better, because Bash and C were the only things I knew, but I also didn't know C enough to write something complex for unity desktop
Now, with the power of Python and (soon) Perl , and couple other languages, I shall take over tha world and rule as benevolent tyrant whose only concerns are 1) Linux and 2) noodles . . .
But I'll start with Ask Ubuntu first
 
deletes Serg's account
 
meeeeeep
oh, niu . . . my repz . . .
 
9:04 PM
 
 
@Serg they forgot the Java jar
 
@ByteCommander well . . . if we are going to take the jokes literally, here's this:
Also . . . in a jar . . . ironically
 
lol
 
haha
 
9:16 PM
Only real with the logo, everything else is a fake!
 
#IApproveThisMessage
 
hue
 
 
ooh
 
so.. this is in my twitter feed:
 
9:18 PM
 
@Seth epitome of the internet
 
@Zacharee1 not a hot dog guy myself
but yes
 
@Seth it's missing the rainbows out of its butt though
 
@Seth GAAAAAAASPPP
not hotdogs?????
 
@Seth Cats on hot dogs? Why no bacon? You traitor!
 
9:19 PM
@ByteCommander potentially the same animal
 
Don't shoot the messenger.
 
and betrayer --> traitor
 
@Zacharee1 you never know what they stuff into those sausages
and maybe you don't want to
 
@ByteCommander sausages != hotdogs
 
whatever
 
9:20 PM
mmmm, Ukrainian blood sausage . . .
 
@Zacharee1 yeah but hotdog can equal sausage.
either way, I always find sausage disgusting.
 
I want that in my life right meow . . . with some hot sauce . . . and maybe a couple cloves of garlic . . .and a nice slice of fresh bread . . . GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
@Seth even breakfast sausages?
 
@Seth That looks like a cat. In interstellar space.
So a cold cat on a hot dog.
 
Outer space isn't "cold" - it isn't anything.
 
9:29 PM
@NathanOsman especially
 
That's a shame. But fair enough.
Do you at least like hashbrowns?
 
Hashbrowns are good.
 
@NathanOsman Huh? It's actually as cold as it gets. What do you mean?
As I recall, it approaches absolute 0 in deep interstellar space.
 
@terdon True, and I understand that, but doesn't something need mass to be "cold"?
 
@NathanOsman No, why would it?
Ah, so there's something there to be cold, you mean?
 
9:41 PM
Sort of.
 
I am catching a cold
 
I'll admit I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to thermodynamics...
So I could very well be wrong here.
 
Warmth only exists if there is energy and matter. No matter, no warmth. No?
 
If we're being rigorous, cold is essentially the absence of energy.
 
s/warmth/heat/
 
9:42 PM
@Seth I don't think matter is needed. Just energy.
Although that is indeed an interesting distinction I hadn't thought of before.
 
@terdon if there's no matter to interact with though..?
because isn't heat the transfer of energy?
 
@Seth Well, even in vacuum there is a tiny bit of matter, but I don't think that matter is a prerequisite for temperature.
 
@terdon No, matter isn't a prerequisite for temperature.
But heat.. can you have that without matter?
 
There is radiant heat (loss)
 
@JacobVlijm yes but that always transfers to some other matter, does it not?
 
9:45 PM
@Seth Sure. I can put you in a vacuum sealed box a few kilometers from the sun and you will be extremely hot. If extremely briefly.
 
and true, there is matter in space. Just very far apart, on average.
@terdon but the box (and I) are matter. I guess my point is purely theoretical and not in any way useful, since everything is matter.
 
I admit to being unclear on the details of that statement when it comes to light. This whole both a wave and a particle thing makes my head hurt.
But, either way, even if we posit that heat requires mass, that would suggest that the absence of mass implies the absence of heat and, therefore, that deep space is indeed pretty cold.
 
And the homework is considered a doesn't-matter @Seth
 
@terdon yeah, that was my original point.
or proposal, rather.
Temperature is measured by particles interacting with the measuring device. In space, there is very little interaction.
 
@Seth Not quite there, no. Temperature is measured by particles (quicksilver in a thermometer for example) interacting with energy. Very often in the form of electromagnetic radiation and that, I am told, is both a particle and a wave.
 
9:52 PM
@terdon I was simplifying.
 
But that's the crux of the matter. Since we can't measure temperature without inserting matter (or can we? Some sort of spectrometry is probably possible) can we actually say that a system with no matter is cold?
I feel we can, but it seems more complex than my original, flippant reply to @NathanOsman would suggest.
 
right. Because temperature is the measure of energy interacting with the measuring device (which is matter).. it's less clear.
 
Yeah, scratch that, of course we can measure temperature remotely using emission spectra. Therefore, we can measure the temperature of deep space (which is ~2K on average) and therefore we can indeed claim that space is cold.
 
@terdon I wonder how they measure the temperature of stars.
 
Emission spectra
 
9:55 PM
that's what I was thinking
 
So if a space is cold in the forest, it is actually cold :P
 
@terdon yeah you're right. Because temperature is rather the measure of the energy that exists with the potential to interact with matter, not the interaction itself. If I'm thinking this through correctly.
or something like that.
 
Yes, that sounds about right.
 
/facepalm . . . my coworker just pretty much called the students who need help with the new printers dumba$$es out loud
I hope nobody hard him but still . . .wow . . .
 
They don't matter
 
9:59 PM
@JacobVlijm unless we multiply them by speed of light squared - then they become energy
 
Sounds hot, but matter is an illusion anyway:)
 
But the atoms,man . . . the atoms . . .
 
Slow processor ( I am in free association mode )
 
The only thing that matters right now is more indicators . .. App Indicators for everyone and for everything @_@
Fill the world with App Indicators
 
Finally, we are back to earth :)
 
10:08 PM
Someone just offered me the $25 to get a Google Dev account
idk how to respond
halp
 
Don't look at me.
I already paid mine.
Managed to recover the cost too.
 
No clue what a google deaf account is ...
 
@JacobVlijm Google Developer?
you need to pay $25 to submit apps to the Play Store
 
^--- this
 
I can't hear you.
 
10:13 PM
I mean, it's better than the $99/yr for Apple
 
$5 for Chrome extensions IIRC
@Zacharee1 As someone who pays that, yes. Yes, it is.
 
@NathanOsman lolol
 
@Zacharee1 ah, I get it.
 
@JacobVlijm V in English is like an F but while humming...I hope you know this
 
If you are dev, you don't hear the difference
 
10:15 PM
sigh
Google Dew just doesn't have the same look to it
 
But does.it taste.better than Mountain Dew
hue
 
lel
the AndroidSO room is fun
CATS EVERYWHERE
someone forgot how to use the fill tool
my workstation
I need better monitors
 
10:40 PM
@Zacharee1 you've ever seen mine ? I only have 2 monitors, can't have 3 for whatever reason T_T
 
lel
 
all old HP monitors, 17'' , 1280x1024
 
I have: 1080p, 1440x900, 1280x1024, 1280x1024
1280x1024 is basically useless tbh
 
At least youtube videos are bigger on that resolution @_@
 
uh sure...
 
10:49 PM
Well what can I say, I am a broke ukrainian engineering student who's aspiring to go back to China . . . in other words, i ain't got money for a better monitor
ze UTF midnight is fazt approashin' @_@
 
11:22 PM
phew, maxed out
 
11:34 PM
@Zacharee1 Needs moar monitors.
I would get a third display but no more room on the desk.
There's barely room for two here.
 
I need to get HDMI hub or something, because I can't get far with just VGA
 
@NathanOsman Get me another USB adapter
 
DisplayLink.
Apparently my video card can drive six displays via DisplayLink.
Sadly, I don't have any DisplayLink monitors.
The current ones are both DVI.
 
I have a DisplayLink running right now
 
Cool.
I have a Thunderbolt => DVI adapter.
 
11:40 PM
ew Mac
 
Isn't Thunderbolt just acting as a physical transport for DisplayLink in that case, though?
 
idk
wait
are we talking about DisplayLink or DisplayPort?
 
Yes, DisplayPort.
Stupid me.
 
sigh
I don't have DisplayPort
just a DisplayLink USB card
 
I actually do have a DisplayLink monitor.
But it's only 7".
 
11:41 PM
Well, once again, we've reached 4:45 pm and I've nothing done. Duck
 
@Serg I fixed a bug and introduced a new one in some code. So no net gain here either.
inb4 "hue"
 
I found a small bug in my ayatana indicator, quickly committed to git, but i think i should traverse my whole function that makes the menu and check for possible exceptions
On the good side, I've maxed out for today +219
oh, and reached 44k
 
@Serg No true... you killed some time with this nice answer: askubuntu.com/questions/890995/killing-shell-using-terminal/…
 
Bounty and everything.
 
I hope that's not a trickle trickled thingy again :p
 
11:44 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix yeah, that one was quite interesting. Once I realized it was sigterm, i started writing. Too bad it was answered in the comments, but i actually provided a fully documented and properly chewed solution
 
It's a userspace bandwidth limiter that doesn't seem to work.
 
@Serg And I gave you a plus 1 which you say doesn't count now :(
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix that one actually did, because I got an accepted answer not too long before getting +200
accepted answers allow you to get extra rep
 
@NathanOsman I looked at trickle and trickled two nights ago and got a headache. Plus I don't really feel like installing it, configuring it and testing it... it's quite involved :/
 
can someone follow through on this for this user?
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Q: Delete My Account!

Mac FenoPlease delete my account as I never had any intention of joining this service. This is the second time I asking for this to be done at your database. Or if you can explain me how to do it, i'll do it myself. Many Thanks

 
11:46 PM
@Serg I didn't know accepted answers allow extra rep like bounties do.
You must be number one on leader board now... let me check
Nope it's Muru, Zanna , Pilot6 and then that weird guy.
Um... for the month anyway... didn't check other stats
 
I . . .literally got +1 just now . . . now +10 for upvote, literal +1
 
probably a removed DVed answer
 
@Zacharee1 nope, actual answer upvote
 
oh
are you at repcap?
 
I am
 
11:50 PM
there you go
 
Cut it out I'm getting jealous I only got +2 today :(
 
did you downvote an answer today?
 
But I got accepted answer earlier today, that +25
I did
 
that's why
I don't think accepts count against the cap
 
I thought accepted answer was +15?
 
11:52 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix 15 for accept + 10 ( upvote from OP )
 
Oh so the OP upvote doesn't count towards rep cap....
 
it does
still does
 
Well if you are at 230 maybe you have two accepted answers out there?
 
Anyway, the whole rep system in confusing
On the plus side, I am closer and closer to my two most desired badges
 
I'm only at 8848 so talking to you guys is kind of depressing :(
lol...j/k I don't mind at all
 
11:55 PM
 
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Q: Delete My Account!

Mac FenoPlease delete my account as I never had any intention of joining this service. This is the second time I asking for this to be done at your database. Or if you can explain me how to do it, i'll do it myself. Many Thanks

 
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