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cl-netbox
cl-netbox
2:46 PM
@ThomasWard The ssh question : OP mentioned "I have not set up an ssh server, but I am not sure it's necessary" Did I misinterpret it ?
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@cl-netbox key word is NAT in the network settings for VBox / VM
@cl-netbox double-NAT setup if they're behind a router
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
Thank you @ThomasWard for clarification ! :)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
ROUTER ----forwarded Port 22----> Win10 ----forwarded to Port 22 on NAT adapter----> VBox Nat Adapter ----forwarded Port 22 to VM IP----> VM
hate you to chat system
@cl-netbox the easier way to skip the internals is Bridged Mode.
but the q is ultimately a "How do I do this in Windows VBox" not "Is this an Ubuntu issue?"
@cl-netbox also...
> because I have no idea what my guest's IP address is
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
^ they don't know how to find things
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
2:50 PM
@ThomasWard okay understood ... I'll remove my comment then ... :)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@cl-netbox i'm probably going to forward it to Super User shortly, it's less an Ubuntu question and a "How do I do this in VBox Settings and Stuff" question
though I may ask an SU mod
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard well usually when ubuntu is concerned it's on-topic - right ?
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@cl-netbox Unless it's not an Ubuntu configuration issue
we don't give Windows support/config stuff here :P
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard hahaha ... yes of course not ! :D
Good answer @ThomasWard - well explained, so +1 from me ! :)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@JourneymanGeek Good Chaos and Darkness to thee. Is askubuntu.com/questions/883641/… suited for your site, since at this point it's something outside the Ubuntu support side and the configuration stuff instead for Windows VBox.
at least as my interpretation is
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:55 PM
I'm biased cause of the ASCII diagram but sure
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
oh hey you replied
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
I was actually distracted in the room that shall not be named ;)
and I was here anyway
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard ."configuration stuff instead for Windows VBox" ... this is valid for many of the vbox questions on AU - right ?
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@cl-netbox slightly more evil / different processes for Linux
@cl-netbox iptables, etc.
vs. Windows Firewall
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@cl-netbox more that the question's mainly focused on the whole network outside the linux box
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
2:57 PM
^ that
lol REP GLITCH
it had +40 from the 4 upvotes
then showed +80 because that converted to +40 on SU
but didn't reflect the -40 from the migration xD
(but shows accurately in my rep counter on AU, but not the general stuff)
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard dark evil magic my friend ... hahaha
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@ThomasWard that will fix itself and the end of the day.
-at
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
Rinzy ! :)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Rinzwind actually, already fixed
i just clicked the rep track box :)
@cl-netbox muahahahah
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard cool answer btw ... but I doubt OP will get it done ... complicated setup configs for normal users :D
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
3:04 PM
@cl-netbox hence the Bridged Mode recommendation
then they only need to do the first-level port forward as I stated in my answer.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
Yxob!
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard good idea ... similar to what we do in LXD - right ?
@Rinzwind WTH is this now ? :D
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@cl-netbox Pretty much, yeah, though the LXD bridge would need configured as a bridge, otherwise it's a NAT bridge, and iptables port-forward
@cl-netbox or in my case, double-pivot-points
SSH Server on my laptop itself, then SSH to the guest.
:P
so I can NAT-bridge everything
yay, security and paranoia
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard :D :D :D
@Rinzwind Rinzy ... man, now I got it ! was to blind to see and read ... hahaha :D :D :D
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
D:
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
3:14 PM
@JourneymanGeek fun fact: the last time I ever had anything even remotely near +70 in a day on my SU account was +40 on an answer back in 2011. And the +100 assoc. bonus from 2011 too heh
now I'm +70
and i'm laughing
but still :P
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@ThomasWard you did not :=)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
nah just kidding, I admit I am not a Linux god. Yet.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
:=D
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
7 messages deleted
yay for mass poofing of posts, BLACKMAGIC
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
You two guys are close to being genius @Rinzwind @ThomasWard ! :D
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
3:19 PM
^Heyheyhey, I was just reading that stuff...
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
lol
 
TheXed
TheXed
hi
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
Ho
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@TheXed Hello ! :)
 
TheXed
TheXed
whats up?
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
3:23 PM
@TheXed our most dark evil mod @ThomasWard forced a user to leave AU ! hahaha (joke) :D
 
TheXed
TheXed
@cl-netbox who did he kill off?
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@TheXed this one ... in case you have an account, you can add your upvote to the answer from @ThomasWard -> superuser.com/questions/1179114/… he wants to become legendary there on SU ! :D
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ThomasWard I got 200 on SU 74 times ;p
 
TheXed
TheXed
I am a super user... but a member...that is an entirely different question.
So I bought Civ 6, and have played my first game for 6 hours and have made little progress toward victory...
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
almost a trophy for ThomasWard
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
3:27 PM
@TheXed I am not a member there ... but I could place my upvote before that thing was migrated ! :D
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
249
A: My cat sat on my laptop, now the right side of my keyboard types the wrong characters

AibobotThat's the standard tenkeyless Num Lock key layout found on many PCs. Turn off Num Lock - on my Lenovo, it's Fn + F10, but the combination may vary by manufacturer.

this is my most upvoted answer...
(notice. I posted it with my sock ><)
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@JourneymanGeek cool :D
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
amusingly that's supposed to be a low rep sock
so I'm using that pool of reputation for bounties for stuff that blows my mind
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
3:48 PM
lol
@TheXed someone posted a Windows VBox Double NAT Networking issue with an Ubuntu guest here, but the core issue isn't an Ubuntu one, i'ts a Windows Host one.
so, migrated :P
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard Hey ... you're close to getting a nice answer badge (only 1 UV missing) and I saw your comment "just make sure the guest has openssh-server installed" ... so my (additional) idea was not so bad - right ? :)
 
TRiG
TRiG
@JourneymanGeek Most people find it easier to type with their fingers, or at least gloves.
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@cl-netbox Yep. Networking issue is the primary one though :P
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@TRiG technically booties.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard I know ! :)
 
terdon
terdon
3:58 PM
@JourneymanGeek One of these days, your real identity will come out and it will turn out you're actually Gaspode.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@terdon I probably smell better
 
terdon
terdon
Frankly, I bloody well hope so!
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon Is that Rinzy's homepage ? :D Hi terdon - good afternoon ! :)
 
terdon
terdon
Could be, yes :)
 
chaskes
chaskes
@ThomasWard @Zacharee1 Just listened to this for the first time in years and had forgotten there's a reference to your more or less backyard. ( youtube.com/watch?v=cbzIVR1OaAY at 2:25 or so)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
4:09 PM
@terdon I'm pretty sure Prachett has a soft spot for terriers
(wuffles, gaspode... though he did have a pug in one story)
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ThomasWard So I saw.
 
terdon
terdon
4:30 PM
@JourneymanGeek Well, he was a strange, if wonderful, man.
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
4:47 PM
@SmokeDetector n
oh screw you too Smokey
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
5:12 PM
askubuntu.com/a/878950/72216 You've got fanmail @terdon obviously he isn't familiar with the time command :/
 
Seth
Seth
@Zanna are you sure posts closed for more than 5 days won't get sent to the reopen queue? I know it didn't used to be that way..
 
Zanna
Zanna
@Seth in the help center, it says that posts that are [on hold] will be sent to the reopen queue when edited - and this only lasts 5 days...
I checked and the post they had edited wasn't sent to review
I wasn't sure myself
 
Seth
Seth
huh
 
Zanna
Zanna
and I'm wary of editing closed posts
because I don't want to send them to reopen
so I've occasionally done it and commented
 
Serg
Serg
Morning guys. Here's a trick question: You can run 32-bit executable on 64-bit OS with appropriate libraries. Now what if you do the reverse ? do I need 64 bit libraries to run 64-bit exe on 32-bit os ?
 
Zanna
Zanna
5:22 PM
"hey reviewers, sorry I just could not stand to see this dupe here with horrible grammar in the title, please leave closed"
 
Seth
Seth
> Closed questions that receive edits within the first 5 days of closure are automatically put into a review queue to be considered for reopening.
 
Zanna
Zanna
but after doing that a couple of times, I check the review queue, and no sign of them
 
Seth
Seth
yep, guess so. They must have changed something. It was kind of annoying to have old questions get sent to review when someone edited them.
 
Zanna
Zanna
so I concluded that the help center is correct, and no surprises
yay for the devs!
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
Hi everyone :)
 
Seth
Seth
5:23 PM
@Serg pretty sure it's just not possible, but the exact reasoning is fuzzy in my mind.
 
Zanna
Zanna
hi @Hizqeel how are you?
@Serg no you need a 64-bit kernel
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@Zanna I am fine :) What about you? How's everything?
 
Zanna
Zanna
@Hizqeel all good here thanks :)
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
Hey @Hizqeel
 
Zanna
Zanna
I'm testing 17.04 in live mode to see if the bay trail kernel c-state bug has been fixed
no freezing so far
I might need some help reopening a question that I think probably should not have been closed later on
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
5:25 PM
@JacobVlijm o/ :) How are you? How's your day going?
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel Hello Hizqeel ! :) How are you feeling today ? Hope you could overcome the shock you experienced yesterday "somehow" successfully ... :)
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
@Hizqeel really fine! yours?
 
Serg
Serg
@Zanna @Seth OK. I guess I'll just stick with developing for 64-bit OS then.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
Good evening @Zanna ! :)
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox hi o/ ... I am fine... and yes I feeling better.. :D What about you ?
@JacobVlijm Doing good
 
Mark Yisri
Mark Yisri
5:27 PM
@cl-netbox what happened?
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel Nothing special from my side ... "business" as usual ... :)
 
Mark Yisri
Mark Yisri
how did AU Meta post this?
yesterday, by Ask Ubuntu Meta
I'm a turnip! Bleep!
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@MarkYisri Hi Mark ! :) @Hizqeel survived a blast attack yesterday ... he was only a few yards away ! :)
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox So The ban lifted today and voila I reviewed with the speed of light :D and a strange/funny thing happened :p
 
Tim
Tim
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
5:29 PM
@Hizqeel Great ! :) What happened ?
 
Zanna
Zanna
@Serg no more 32-bit support after 16.10 anyway I think
@cl-netbox evening to you :) ... hey where did the day go?
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox Another ban right after 3 hours :( :p This time it was for 10 days
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel What ??? Please tell me more ... :)
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox :D :D
 
Serg
Serg
@Zanna Yeah, that too, but 14.04 is still supported till 2019 and that has 32-bit versions.
 
Zanna
Zanna
5:32 PM
@Serg good point! And 16.04 will be supported for ages and ages
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel Does this message mean that you were kiddin' when you said you're banned again ? :)
@Serg @Serg @Zanna Who cares about 32-bit OSes in these days ? "stone old" technology ! :D
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox ahh No Not Kiddin.. I am banned again let me tell you what happened
 
Serg
Serg
@cl-netbox developers who want to reach out to broader audience ;)
 
terdon
terdon
@Serg My guess (and it is very much a guess, I don't know the first thing about such low level stuff) is that while a 64bit processor can deal with 32bits (64 > 32), a 32bit one can't deal with 64 (32 < 64). So I would guess that the processor itself simply cannot deal with 64bit code, whatever library you give it.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon Exactly that ! :)
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
5:35 PM
I feel a bit 64
 
Serg
Serg
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Zanna nothing special today ... wrote two answers and helped out on other questions with comments. :)
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
@Serg Haha, great
 
Serg
Serg
There's only 10 types of people in this world . . . those who understand binary jokes and those who don't. Unless they're using tristate devices - then it depends on their state
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel yes ? waiting ... :)
 
terdon
terdon
5:37 PM
Gotta love fiber optic connections: 
$ rsync --progress -r foo:/path/to/ .
receiving incremental file list
foo.fastq.gz
    257,790,607 100%   68.22MB/s    0:00:03 (xfr#1, to-chk=29/31)
68.22MB/s
If only that were the speed of my internet and not just that of the transfer between two servers at work :(
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox I was so excited for the review after the ban lifted don't know why..! Last time I was banned for reviewing LA review due to 2 reasons 1. it took me too much time 7 to 9 sec and than I wrongly clicked No action needed on NAN .. This time It was FP and I Flagged almost 8 NAN But As I was reviewing With the speed of light Again I Wrongly reviewed another and in result I have to wait 10 more days my Bad ..... :/
 
terdon
terdon
@Hizqeel On this site?
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox I think Its time that now I have to pay attention for solving other's problems rather than reviewing :p
@terdon No on SO
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel hmmm ... what can I say ? ... better you slow down a bit while reviewing :)
 
terdon
terdon
Ah
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
5:41 PM
@cl-netbox Than I will be banned again I think You know what Undo said
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel yes, he said you are reviewing as fast as lightning ... that's why I proposed to do it a bit slower - or did I get this wrong ? :)
 
Zanna
Zanna
there's no need to rush with reviewing... better to go slow and do it right :)
 
terdon
terdon
Yeah, listen to @Zanna, she's never been banned! :P
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel Important is to concentrate on one thing, be it solving problems by answering questions or reviewing posts ... we never should do too many things at the same time. :)
@terdon hahaha
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox He said Your review time was 7 - 9 sec which Is a little Slow I am Probably talking in case of 3-4 sec... Which mean hurry up..! That's what I got
Any how I will not review now on SO
 
Zanna
Zanna
5:46 PM
@terdon haha yeah don't do as I do, do as I say >_<
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@Zanna Roger that :)
 
Zanna
Zanna
it's the audits that make me go fast - if it looks like an audit, I want to get it over with lol and move onto the real work
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
I am slow anyway, no risk for me...
 
terdon
terdon
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Hizqeel then I think you misunderstood him ... :)
 
Zanna
Zanna
5:48 PM
@Hizqeel ah you're too nice, I shouldn't be giving advice of any kind!
 
terdon
terdon
> Won't find me practicing what I'm preaching
Won't find me making no sacrifice
But I can get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, don't do as I do

Read more: Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me Lyrics | MetroLyrics
 
Zanna
Zanna
@terdon lol I know that one well
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@cl-netbox may be ...
 
terdon
terdon
@Zanna :)
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
@Zanna :)
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
5:50 PM
Speaking about culture, do you know this one?
 
terdon
terdon
@JacobVlijm AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaargh!
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
...isn't it @terdon
 
terdon
terdon
Can't listen to more than a few seconds of that. Wow. Painful.
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
I think it's brilliant :)
 
terdon
terdon
I can't make it through it. Just too unpleasant. Brilliant, perhaps, but I can't take it. I really can't stand off key music.
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
5:54 PM
You do realize it was not the actual recording :) ?
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon Which kind of music is your favorite ? :)
 
terdon
terdon
Grrr
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
Its giving me headache
 
terdon
terdon
@JacobVlijm Anyway. Yes, I do realize :)
 
Serg
Serg
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
5:57 PM
...There are many of these messed up recordings. This is what we do during lessons if sudents didn't practice :)
 
terdon
terdon
@cl-netbox Jazz mostly but I grew up on a steady diet of (mostly 60ies, some 90ies) rock.
 
Serg
Serg
When classics combine with modern
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
@Serg looking at his stage, he's on a holiday :)
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon interesting, same with me, I grew up with Stones, Who, Led Zep and stuff like that ... though Jazz is not so my favorite. :)
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
Any Game lover
 
terdon
terdon
6:00 PM
Yep :) I was into those but more into Pink Floyd, Beatles, Jefferson Airplane and the Hippy scene.
And then I discovered Jazz in my early 20ies and got really, really into that.
 
chaskes
chaskes
@terdon That was my stuff too but now I'm into jazz and classical mostly
 
terdon
terdon
Yeah, me too these days.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@terdon division bell <3
 
chaskes
chaskes
In fact, started learning jazz clarinet and saxophone.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@terdon you meant to say "one of these days" :+)
 
terdon
terdon
6:01 PM
@Rinzwind Heh. One of my least favorites, actually, but still a great album. For any other band, it would have been their best.
@Rinzwind :P
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
Can someone help me fix my grub partition?
 
Serg
Serg
I grew up on some punk rock, some heavy metal ( Iron Maiden style). Then a long came Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Korn, and Slipknot. Although I've been listening to rap/hip hop as well quite a lot. Now, I just listen to what makes me happy and suits my mood.
 
terdon
terdon
. . . I'm going to cut you into little pieces!
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
:D
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
I deleted it in order to increase the size of my root partition since it was in the way
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
6:02 PM
@terdon Early Floyd were great : Careful with the axe Eugine ... :)
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
While multidisciplinary is the keyword at contemporary stage productions, never saw a stronger example; the saddest plastic bag ever.
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
And supposedly boot repair would fix it
But boot repair won't work in legacy mode in bios
 
Serg
Serg
 
terdon
terdon
@ROODAY What did you delete exactly?
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
But the Ubuntu live cd isn't being noticed in uefi mode
 
Zanna
Zanna
6:02 PM
did you delete your esp?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
Me Prince: 80s and 90s, 90s metallica. within temptation Nightwish After Forever c..
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
I deleted dev/sdb3, which had the flag bios_grub
It was blocking me from increasing the size of sdb2
And boot repair isn't able to do its job in legacy mode apparently
 
terdon
terdon
@ROODAY OK, post a question on the main site please. That way we can see all the information in one place, more people can see your issue who might be ab;e to help and the site gets another good question.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ROODAY the worst you could do ... sorry :)
 
terdon
terdon
No, hang on, did you delete the EFI partition while it was mounted?
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
6:05 PM
@cl-netbox I was following another post on ask Ubuntu, it said running boot repair would fix it after deleting it
@terdon no I did this from a live cd
 
terdon
terdon
@ROODAY OK, but was the EFI partition mounted? Did you actually delete its contents?
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
I did delete the contents as it was blocking the partition on its left from being resized, and I wasn't able to move it to the right
 
terdon
terdon
Um. Doesn't that brick the PC?
What state is the machine in now? Can you boot into a live CD? Can you boot into the EFI/BIOS whatever options?
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ROODAY then you misunderstood it ... :)
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
I can boot into the live cd and my windows partition just not Ubuntu
 
terdon
terdon
6:08 PM
@ROODAY Ah, OK then. Phew. OK, so please post a question on the main site. Then we have something to look at while discussing it.
 
ROODAY
ROODAY
@cl-netbox can you tell me what I misunderstood here? askubuntu.com/a/405371/285001
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ROODAY when you deleted the boot partition, ubuntu is un-bootable ! :)
 
chaskes
chaskes
You can recover from this but it's a pain. I once had a distro (Mageia, I think) reformat the EFI partition while installing it, making several other distros unbootable. You can recreate the partition and use the live cd to copy the correct files into it. But I'm an experienced user and I still thought it was just easier to reinstall things.
 
terdon
terdon
Also, while I don't know how this will work on an EFI system (I've never bothered with grub on EFI, I just use the EFI loader instead), you may as well try the steps in my answer here:
10
A: How can I fix/install/reinstall grub?

terdonSo, it sounds like you have not installed a boot loader (e.g. grub) on the disk. This means that although you have a valid OS on it, there is no way to boot it and so you can't use it. You need to attach the HDD to a working computer (you can use a live CD), set up a chroot environment and insta...

 
ROODAY
ROODAY
@terdon I'll check that out thanks
 
terdon
terdon
6:09 PM
@chaskes But would reinstalling fix it? You mean re-create the EFI first and then reinstall?
@ROODAY I really have no idea if it will help on an EFI system. Try at your own risk.
I guess @Rinzwind or @JourneymanGeek might know more about this sort of thing.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon the whole setup seems to be a mess ... the easiest thing for @ROODAY would be to start from scratch and reinstall ubuntu :)
 
chaskes
chaskes
@terdon Yes, that's what I did, but you could let the installer handle the recreation as well.
 
terdon
terdon
@chaskes OK. I was afraid that @ROODAY had deleted the files on the EFI which would delete the firmware and brick the machine, apparently.
 
chaskes
chaskes
I'm not sure what the effect on win is, but a linux install will recreate everything fine.
 
terdon
terdon
@chaskes Not if you've deleted the firmware which, for reasons I have yet to understand, the system mounts in rw mode.
I think anyway. That's what I've been told. I am not about to try it, thank you.
 
chaskes
chaskes
6:13 PM
Well, my knowledge of this has limits, but I've cleared drives completely, including EFI, and reinstalled, various linux with no problems.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon he seems to have had "bios_grub" partition ... completely wrong setup ! :) He needs an EFI partition ... :)
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
not me! I hate efi :+\
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Rinzwind me not ! :D
 
terdon
terdon
@cl-netbox Well, EFi can load Grub which can load other OSs. Isn't that the default system on Ubuntu these days?
OK, so deleting the partition should not affect the machine. But deleting the files in /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/ will probably completely brick it (!).
And, sadly, rm -rf /sys is a perfectly valid command, unlike rm -rf /.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon GRUB menu is only the surface ... in EFI machines EVERY system has its OWN boot loader, which is located in a sub-folder on the EFI partition. :)
 
chaskes
chaskes
6:17 PM
@terdon Oh, yeah, I remember that article now. But I've had no trouble either 1) removing and recreating efi partition by hand 2) letting the installer handle it and 3) one time even did the rm thing with no problem.
 
terdon
terdon
@cl-netbox Yes, but it's the other way around. The efi bootloader is in charge of booting everything else but it can only load EFI executables. So when working with GRUB, EFI load GRUB and GRUB loads the OS. For native EFI systems (like Linux) you don't need grub at all.
@chaskes Are you sure about that last thing? Did you specifically delete the files under /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/?
 
chaskes
chaskes
@terdon No, just the standard --no-preserve thing I don't want to type.
 
terdon
terdon
Hmmm, that should have also gotten rid of the firmware stuff then. Interesting.
I don't have a spare machine to test this on though :)
And I won't be doing it on my brand new laptop, thank you very much.
Oh yes, @cl-netbox, it finally arrived this weekend!
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon There is no efi boot loader ... if you only install ubuntu for example, all boot files are in the ubuntu folder
 
chaskes
chaskes
@terdon I think I remember matthew garret saying somewhere else that it depends on oem things that i don't fully understand. If I remember I'll try it on a laptop I might be recycling soon-ish and let you know.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
6:21 PM
@terdon WOW ... great ! :) I wish you to have a lot of fun with your new machine ! :)
 
terdon
terdon
@cl-netbox Argh, sorry, meant systemdboot.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon By the way, here you find how to re-install GRUB in the most correct and professional way -> askubuntu.com/questions/880662/… (part 2 of the answer) I can't understand why so many users recommend boot-repair ! :)
 
terdon
terdon
16 mins ago, by terdon
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A: How can I fix/install/reinstall grub?

terdonSo, it sounds like you have not installed a boot loader (e.g. grub) on the disk. This means that although you have a valid OS on it, there is no way to boot it and so you can't use it. You need to attach the HDD to a working computer (you can use a live CD), set up a chroot environment and insta...

:)
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon interesting ... deserves an upvote ... done ! :)
 
terdon
terdon
So does yours and also done.
 
chaskes
chaskes
6:27 PM
I hate boot repair. btw, @cl-netbox ubuntu makes this easy with grub-install auto installing the correct versions but in Fedora you need to specifically install the correct uefi packages.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon Thank you very much ! :)
 
terdon
terdon
But I suggest you change the sd* and sd** to something else, just inc ase someone actually uses sd* which will be expanded. I think sdN or whatever would be safer.
@chaskes I've never seen boot-repair. I've read about it all over the place but have never used it.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@terdon good idea to not use that tool ! :)
 
chaskes
chaskes
@terdon I tried it a couple of times. Nothing against those devs, but it seems that facts on the ground move faster than they can keep up. When faced with this kind of situation (which has happened since I like to experiment on cheap refurbs) I either find manual instructions or just let the installer redo everything.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@chaskes brothers in mind ... I hate it too :)
 
chaskes
chaskes
6:30 PM
yep. ;)
 
terdon
terdon
I thought it was some Windows thing.
Ah no, it's an Ubuntu thing. I see.
 
Serg
Serg
OT, strictly programming question, also too broad: askubuntu.com/q/883709/295286
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
This is the way to do it for fedora (from an installation media) ->

sudo mkdir /mnt/sysimage
sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt/sysimage
sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sysimage/boot/efi
for dir in /dev /proc /sys; do mount --bind $dir /mnt/sysimage/$dir ; done
sudo chroot /mnt/sysimage
dnf reinstall grub2-efi shim
grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg
exit
 
chaskes
chaskes
@cl-netbox Thanks, I'll keep handy. I figured you already had the steps since I remember you use fedora too
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@chaskes You're welcome ! :) replace sdb3 and sdb1 with your partitions (this is my setup ... swap is on sdb2 and ubuntu is on sdb4)
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
6:50 PM
Goodbye, see you tomorrow :)
 
chaskes
chaskes
See you later
 
Serg
Serg
I hate it when you need a manager/supervisor and they're nowhere to be found
 
Zanna
Zanna
@terdon I had this conversation with @cl-netbox before!
 
terdon
terdon
Great minds. . .
 
Zanna
Zanna
but I think he was just humoring me when he changed it then...
 
terdon
terdon
7:07 PM
@Zanna I don't think it's ever been changed. Don't see it in the edit history in any case.
 
Zanna
Zanna
it must have been a different post about the same thing
 
Serg
Serg
Keep on adding features to my indicator-bulletin. . . .I've a whole list, and I'm only half done with it. Plus, I keep thinking of new things to add
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
7:25 PM
@Serg, don't get me wrong, I love your answer, but in general I think too many features is a bigger risk than too little. Did you see mac's link to jumpcut below my answer? I think extremely elegant in its simplicity
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
7:35 PM
Did I really just sleep in until almost noon? Yes I did :P
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
I envy you...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Don't. I'm doing it because my back is very sore and needs to heal.
Otherwise I would have been up sooner.
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
Ouch, sorry to hear. Did the sleep help?
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Yes, it seems to have helped a bit.
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
7:39 PM
Lol!
 
Hizqeel
Hizqeel
I want this :p
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
^ not good for your back
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Definitely :P
 
Serg
Serg
7:53 PM
@JacobVlijm I'll check out jumpcut eventually. Yeah, sometimes too many features can be a problem, but I just like making my scripts/indicators multipurpose
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
@Serg ...and it is so much fun to do :)
 
Seth
Seth
huh, snapd is written in go. Cool.
 
Serg
Serg
@Seth Canonical is sure Go-ing in the right direction . . .*awkward smile*
 
Seth
Seth
>.>
 
terdon
terdon
8:24 PM
@Seth You think it's abuse of power if I kick him? He can come back in a minute. . .
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@Serg oh great, sergpunz
@terdon don't be Oli :p
 
terdon
terdon
@Zacharee1 I'm not oily! I just washed my hands!
 
Seth
Seth
@terdon I think you know the answer to that ;)
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@terdon wat
 
Seth
Seth
@terdon mmmm, olio.
 
terdon
terdon
8:25 PM
Damn it @Serg, it's contagious!
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
as long as we're playing telephone, Othello
 
terdon
terdon
@Zacharee1 Well, Oli is close to oil. And it is oil in Catalan, which is probably why that gem of a pun jumped to my mind.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@Seth Capital Cities is also a good band to listen to
@terdon why do you know Catalán?
 
terdon
terdon
@Zacharee1 I used to live there. I spent 7 years in Barcelona.
 
Seth
Seth
@Zacharee1 he lived there.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
8:26 PM
ah
but can't you get away with Spanish? They're pretty similar, aren't they?
 
terdon
terdon
@Zacharee1 As much as Spanish and French.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
really?
 
terdon
terdon
Catalan is probably closer to French than Spanish.
@Zacharee1 Yes, absolutely. It isn't a dialect of Spanish, it's a completely separate Romance language in its own right.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
there was someone who spoke Catalán who went to my school last year. It was pretty easy to understand knowing Spanish
@terdon didn't think it was a dialect, just very similar
 
terdon
terdon
You can live (easily) in Barcelona without speaking it but that's because everyone (almost) speaks Spanish, not because you can understand it.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
8:28 PM
kinda like Italian vs. Spanish
@NathanOsman new room title
 
terdon
terdon
Well yes, all Romance tongues are similar and if you speak one or two you can understand the rest. Or try to. But that doesn't mean you can actually speak them.
 
Serg
Serg
@terdon well....come :)
you're very welcome
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@terdon guess I didn't see enough to see the differences
although I could probably recognize it
 
terdon
terdon
It sounds like they're choking.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
I'm good at recognizing languages, even if I don't know them
 
terdon
terdon
8:29 PM
(Don't tell anyone I said that)
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
like I can tell Chinese (Simplified vs. Traditional) vs. Japanese vs. Korean
@terdon lol
gtg
although I always think Portuguese is Spanish until I run into the ã
 
terdon
terdon
Yes, in writing they are very similar. You wouldn't confuse them for a second when hearing them spoken though.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
8:43 PM
He have you been so many places?
 
terdon
terdon
?
 
Serg
Serg
@Zacharee1 knowing that there is Ook and Chicken programming languages, it seems only fitting that one day you should become the author of Hue language
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
I have one Brazilian mentor student. He speaks like velvet. Fascinating, really.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@Serg Hue huehue huue euh hué huee huê húe hüe huehuehue huè
^ hello_world.hue
 
Serg
Serg
Great ! Now try writing it with catching HUExceptions
 
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