Ask Ubuntu General Room

Q: Offensive comment in review queue

12:15 AM

That was probably me :D

I have IPv6 connectivity.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

0

I've seen this but this situation is a bit different. While going through the re-open review queue I came across this in which the OP added a likely offensive remark into the edit comment. Although I understand their frustration I don't think it's helpful and see no need to drop an F bomb into a ...

discussion

Tim

I had to implement a Node JS server to get around the Wolfram Alpha API CORS

so I can see every request

Zacharee1

1:45 AM

I just want to thank Verizon for caving and offering an unlimited plan, because now T-Mobile's is $40/mo/line for 4 people, plus $150/line in rebate.

And @KazWolfe if you're willing to shell out $80/mo, you could get VZW unlimited

Send them up here - we could use some competition for Internet.

There are lots of questions about telegram lately. I just googled it and it takes your phone and pc and puts them in the cloud for free. I smell NSA.

Or better yet, bring Google Fiber to Canada!

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Signal is better, end-to-end encryption.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix "puts your phone and PC in the cloud" is just political gibberish. I wouldn't consider telegram a secure messaging app, but it's no different than skype, facebook messenger, or google hangouts. Actually slightly better since it's a Russian company so harder for the US gov. to get

@NathanOsman Signal is pretty good but it requires a phone number.

Well, nothing is perfect.

2:00 AM

@NathanOsman sure, but requiring a phone number removes any hope of anonymity.

Signal is also centralized.

Do Google Voice numbers work?

@NathanOsman They send text messages, so I don't think so?

The fact telgrams supports Windows, Mac and Linux all for free with no ads and have cartoon like characters from Rocky & Bullwinkle just rings alarm bells. How can they make money?

Note that I use both Telegram and Signal. I just realize when to use each.

@Seth Google Voice supports SMS.

2:01 AM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix The same way Stack Exchange does.

Investors.

It was originally conceived as a WhatsApp competitor.

Stack Exchange sells ads too though.

So they do make some money.

And they also charge for employers using Careers.

@NathanOsman yeah but compared to the 90M they've received in investments I don't think that compares :P

90m O_o

yup. not all at once mind you.

Maybe my startup idea does have potential :P

2:03 AM

the only form of remotely secure messaging I know of is something like XMPP with OTR. DDG runes a nice XMPP server. The problem with XMPP is that there's very little infrastructure. I forgot the password to my account, for e.g. and there's no way to reset it because it didn't even ask for an email when I created it.

Tox might count too, but it's so unusable I don't consider it much. That'll get better though.

Yes, Tox is quite buggy.

The disappointing thing about signal is it's centralization and lack of any anonymity. I understand why OWS made those decisions, it makes providing good customer service much easier, but it also makes their product much less secure for people that need real secrecy.

and it relies on Google services.

Serg

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I am pleased to see that you're trying to compete with me and Jacob for that bounty. There needs to be more variety of answers. Keep up the good job

@Serg I felt guilty posting that answer because I like both you and Jacob and think both of you do brilliant work. But because each of you sort of said "this is beta" I felt I had to post what I had already read last month.

I like how Richard Stallman's page about how ebooks are bad is a PDF xD

Probably intentional.

2:12 AM

He's just as paranoid as me :p

Is telegram really Russian? I could float the idea Putin is spying on everyone's phone to CNN, CNBC, Fox and MSNBC.

They love to report fake news when it comes to Russia!

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I'm sorry but that'd just be fear mongering without any real evidence.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Don't be part of the problem.

Well it's too late the cats out of the bag :(

Yes. Although, it is provably true that CNN has broadcast false information.

So we can criticize them for that.

I wish Signal had a desktop app. I'd like to move away from using google hangouts as much as possible.

but I guess I use hangouts so rarely I can survive on their webapp. The tricky part is getting the (relatively few) people I talk to to use Signal.

We the people have to be the official opposition when the Democrats aren't the opposition to the Republicans (both controlled by Lobbyists) and the media are in cohorts to report the same stories (often copied and pasted) and do not serve as a real opposition to the miltary, epa, federal reserve, health care, police, etc... they only think critcizing Trump's hair or hands is opposition, which isn't true.

@Seth I thought telegram simply let you control your phone from your pc?

2:18 AM

@Seth Someone could in theory: whispersystems.org/docs

@WinEunuuchs2Unix what? no it doesn't do that at all. It's a messaging app.

ie text messages to my phone would show up in my desktop so I didn't have to get up and look at the phone @Seth

@WinEunuuchs2Unix You're thinking of Pushbullet or maybe AirDroid.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix well yes, it's a unified messaging system, but it's not SMS based.

what Nathan said.,

@NathanOsman yeah but then we're back to tox like issues :/

and they only a very barebones syncing system which makes it tricky.

(you can tell I've thought way too much about this heh)

Oh yeah sorry for going off-topic... I was just looking for something that would grab text message from my phone connected via USB and display it on my desktop so I didn't have to get up and look at phone.

2:20 AM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix You don't even need USB for that. Pushbullet will do it wirelessly.

That's what I use. I can reply to SMS directly from notifications.

via bluetooth / wifi you mean?

It uses Wi-Fi, I believe.

Yeah funny thing is my phone, tv, bluray player and laptop all have wifi, usb, ethernet (not the phone) and usb.

Serg

@Seth fear mongering or not, I personally avoid Russian websites and whatever else. Not a big fan of dictators who worship Stalin

@Serg I watch Russia Today TV shows... they are really good.

2:22 AM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Everything that uses electricity has Wi-Fi these days.

That is not necessarily a good thing.

@NathanOsman In some Canadian elementary schools they tried to ban wifi for brain damage.

oh I forgot about Threema. It's $2.99 but it solves a lot of these secure messaging issues. The problem is a) no desktop app and b) you'll likely have to buy your friends licenses.

Well after listening to Nathan I think I might have to byte the Pushbullet :D

it's owned by Google..

$ sudo apt install pushbullet
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package pushbullet

2:27 AM

It's a browser extension.

oh ... I can do that too then :)

@WinEunuuchs2Unix It's known to be dangerous at high power levels. The question that remains is what effect does it have at lower power levels over long periods of time?

@Seth We only find that out 40 years later when 33% have cancer.

...of the front temporal lobe.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix yep..

we're all the living experiment when it comes to the long term effects of RF.

On CBC business show Amanda Lang said 7 or 8 years ago we are living experiments for GMO foods too.

2:32 AM

also true.

And yet the funny thing is much of new technology puts people out of work or onto welfare or into useless education like what did Dinasours eat and what do I colour that black hole 40 billion light years away?

Wait wait wait. RF's only known effects are thermal.

Not to mention, let's have regime change in Syria because billions upon billions will be made at only the cost of 500K lives.

The radiation is non-ionizing, so it cannot damage DNA.

@NathanOsman yeah but it causes thermal reactions by exciting the atoms and causing friction, irrc.

2:34 AM

RF can control dreams though... that should be a concern to the 1984 or Brave New World crowd :)

@NathanOsman well no, not directly, afawk.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix So can a few electrodes to the brain :P

And the dream will not be pleasant... :P

Luckily my dreams are so bad they'll leave me alone :p

You better stop dreaming of gingerbread houses with christmas lights Nathan or they'll come for you with electrodes!

Lol.

That's for next year.

Anyway it took them like 40 or 50 years to realize Asbestos causes cancer? So it'll be awhile before we learn about wifi or GMO

2:38 AM

where's paranoid panda when you need him? :P

LOL.

I'm focusing attention on Solar, Wave power, etc and weening off of Oil.

In my best Paranoid Panda voice:

Clears throat...

Yeah haven't seen PP in awhile.

"WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!"

3

2:39 AM

Win 3.11 hasn't been around in awhile either.

s/going to/gonna/

How was that?

there we go xD

Yup almost everyone is going to die eventually with certainty :)

:D

2:40 AM

I love Beaker.

What show is beaker from?

I want to say Seasame Street or Muppet Show?

muppets

ty... um... i guess :p

Am I the only one that pronounces "SMB" as "samba" a lot?

2:48 AM

I'm the only one that doesn't know what samba is!

saaaamba!

@WinEunuuchs2Unix samba is an open source implimentation of SMB at its core

Thanks now I know what Samba is... Now I can only say "I'm the only one that doesn't know what SMB is".

Samba (software)

Samba is a free software re-implementation of the SMB/CIFS networking protocol, and was originally developed by Andrew Tridgell. Samba provides file and print services for various Microsoft Windows clients and can integrate with a Microsoft Windows Server domain, either as a Domain Controller (DC) or as a domain member. As of version 4, it supports Active Directory and Microsoft Windows NT domains. Samba runs on most Unix, OpenVMS and Unix-like systems, such as Linux, Solaris, AIX and the BSD variants, including Apple's macOS Server, and macOS client (Mac OS X 10.2 and greater). Samba is standard...

SMB is windows file sharing + print sharing essentially

but samba also does AD

I might need this for work some day so I should be paying atttention.

Essentially, samba lets a linux box 'talk' to windows centric network resources

2:52 AM

oh a Windows translator for file and print services got it :)

At work we just use Windows so I won't need to learn samba.

3:04 AM

Must. Resist. Opportunity. To. Promote. NitroShare. As. A. Faster. Alternative.

I think by saying "I won't promote NitroShare" you just did it :p

Holy Macaroni +9C tomorrow! happy dance

I want to say "Winter is finally over" but I don't want to jynx it.

@NathanOsman nitroshare is for pushing files ;p

I can't mount it

that ^

It's still faster than SMB :P

nitroshare is amazing though.

wow, 36 people watching the repository?! that's pretty cool.

@NathanOsman Have you gotten it into ubuntu yet?

3:14 AM

Yes.

and tbh, what I seem to need more it to auto push files.

sweet!

sudo apt install nitroshare

how about chocolatey?

@JourneymanGeek Coming in the next version.

3:14 AM

ooh, even in chocolatey. sweeet.

@Seth chocolatey.org/packages/nitroshare/0.3.3

I'm currently using resilio (which slightly sucks) and bvckup (which is local sync - so the files are on samba)

now we need a snap >:D

(let me guess, you have a snap too)

Even then I need to do a few odd things to keep things working ._.

Not yet.

No snap yet.

I am currently focusing on getting the new changes stable enough for a beta release.

Then, an Android version.

3:16 AM

Maybe I'll take a stab at it some day. Snaps hate me but I keep trying..

3:26 AM

Treadeu outclassed Trump Today and his Daughter fell in love with Trudeau. Trump also went on to say he would use Unity Tweak Tool to adjust Free Trade Agreement with Canada :p

#fakenews

Thanks I just wrote it :)

#FAKEnewsYouWriteThatFeelsREALgood

Sorry didn't realize you were still here I know you hate politics.

"Unity Tweak Tool" - that part is funny.

@NathanOsman That tells me you knew Trump wanted to tweak trade deal with Canada today.

4:14 AM

How about naming this room to Canonical? Hehe /cc @terdon

(Should I propose on meta?)

fun fact I am 629 rep away from 30k here

@ThomasWard Best of Luck!

Q: More interesting name for our main chat room?

@Pandya We already have a question open to rename this room.

24

Most sites use interesting and humorous chat room names related to their site topic, like /dev/chat (Unix &Linux) The DMZ (Security) Root Access (Super User) The 2nd Monitor (Code Review) The Nineteenth Byte (Programming Puzzles & Code Golf) The Bridge (Arqade) The Heap - Consultancy (Databas...

discussion chat

It's nearly a year old and no results yet :D

@Pandya Do you want to deal with the lawsuit, or no?

@NathanOsman oh! I'm not aware of that. Thanks for pointing out!

4:17 AM

("Canonical" is a trademark IIRC)

No worries.

Maybe we need to start reminding everyone that nothing has come of the question yet.

@ThomasWard how much of a mod majority do we need to change the room name?

The top-voted answer on that question is "the orange room".

How long until it is put into effect?

Pulls out stick...

@NathanOsman How much coffee and booze do you have available to give again?

Opens floodgates...

Is it more than the amount of water in the ocean and frozen in the polar ice caps?

If not, then there's not enough there to force mod action.

at least, not yet. (basically, I'd have to poke the other mods for thoughts on what still needs done)

I think I'll open another meta question to ask what the process is for getting the room name changed.

Then at least we have some idea what still needs to happen.

A: More interesting name for our main chat room?

4:21 AM

0

Canonical How about it? It can represent the philosophy.

Honestly, it'll get changed as soon as you can convince someone to actually make the change.

maybe.

@NathanOsman Is it ok If I write it can represent the idea/philosophy as well as company (behind Ubuntu)?

Q: When are we going to rename the Ask Ubuntu General Room?

0

Back in April of last year, this question was asked: More interesting name for our main chat room? Unfortunately, nothing has become of the question. As of February 13, 2017, the name of our primary chatroom is still "Ask Ubuntu General Room". This is in spite of the fact that "The Orange Room" ...

discussion

Here's something to (hopefully) spawn a discussion.

I don't think anyone wants to be the one to actually pull the trigger.

@Pandya You are free to edit your answer however you would like.

@Seth I'm willing to do it! :D

But I don't think the other mods would like that.

4:27 AM

I know I'm not a big fan of changing the name.

Nor I.

But just think.

I have no issue freezing the room when it gets unruly though >:D

We can say to new members "we are old enough to remember when this room was called 'the general room'".

And they will look up to us and go "wow!"

@NathanOsman bribery!

4:28 AM

:P

Also easier than calling it AUGR

I am (thinking). Ultimately if the community really wants, but what I see is a lot of people who don't participate in chat voting and posting there, which makes me even less confident.

also, can you even rename a room?

Well, we could hold a vote here.

@NathanOsman was just about to suggest that.

4:29 AM

Considering the fact that we discuss random stuff here, maybe we should call it /dev/urandom :D

@NathanOsman @Seth might I propose nay and yay answers, a set end date, and deciding by starcount?

I know.

Let's create a new room for suggestions.

People can go there and post them.

And then star their favorites.

And then we post a pinned message here to advertise it.

@NathanOsman It sounds inspired by chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35420787#35420787 lol

There is no place like ~/

@NathanOsman sounds like it'd have too much noise. I'm not opposed to using that to garner suggestions though, but I'd rather have the final decision done by something like a google survey.

4:32 AM

Ask Ubuntu Chat Room Names

Propose and vote for your favorite name for the existing "Ask ...

@AndroidDev if we have to change the name I'd like it to be something more ubuntu specific. we're not Unix & Linux.

@NathanOsman can we wait until we see what comes of your meta post?

@Seth Well, I guess so.

The room isn't going anywhere.

lemme read your meta real quick.

That being what it is, mind if I suggest the vote-in-chat idea on my question?

I guess I can take it you are definitely in favor of changing the name?

@NathanOsman sure

4:33 AM

Okay.

@Seth Not often but we have had this name since 2010.

This is pretty funny:

I think a change every five years or so is reasonable.

@NathanOsman huh? "not often'?

Well, I don't think we should make this an annual tradition :P

ah. but you do want to change the current name.

4:35 AM

I'd like to see the name changed no more often than about every five years or so.

@Seth Yes, indeed.

Wow that went down fast! askubuntu.com/questions/883142

Did you activate the intergalactic ballistic missiles @ThomasWard ? --^

A: When are we going to rename the Ask Ubuntu General Room?

0

Suggestion Seth pointed out that not everyone who voted in the meta question may be a regular chat visitor, and this may skew the results. Therefore, I would like to propose the following suggestion for alleviating this concern: A chat rooms is created, open to all Users are free to propose ne...

There.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

I'm a turnip! Bleep!

9

@AndroidDev nope, the Charcoal regulars sniped it

@Seth I added a sentence at the end of the answer to suggest a way of doing it via Google forms.

4:42 AM

@AndroidDev @Seth is also very active today :P

I suggest to featured-ise that post. — Pandya 1 min ago

seth is feeling better, yay \o/

\o/

@Pandya I disagree. I'd prefer input from people that actually use the general room. — Seth ♦ 1 min ago

@Nathan btw, is there any reason your GAAAAAH message is pinned?

Nope.

It wasn't pinned by me.

I am not at liberty to say who did pin it.

(Due to moderator agreement.)

BUT - you can view this information in the message history.

4:44 AM

huh, ok. also didn't know that info was in the message history.

> tag to mark important meta discussions

^^ from excerpt

@Pandya yeah, important to the site. This isn't really that important, especially to the site.

It only effects our little room.

@Seth oh! I may have failed to judge the importance of room for the site! :P

@Pandya considering we barely have 20 people here at any given time (14 right now) I'd say it's not that important :p

I wish we had more people.

I wish I had more coffee.

5:17 AM

We all do.

s/coffee/caffeine/

6:18 AM

@Seth \o/

7:54 AM

Good morning ! :)

Hey @cl-netbox!

@Seth I am glad to read this Seth :)

@JacobVlijm Good morning Jacob ! :) How are you doing ?

@cl-netbox Quite well, I hope you the same!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Can't Compile A Simple C Program by صابر خلیلی on askubuntu.com

@Seth Sometimes there are "strange" things going on inside people's bodies ... and sometimes those strange things disappear without any interactions ... I'm (still) crossing my fingers that yours is one of these cases ! :)

@JacobVlijm Yes, thank you, I'm fine ... yesterday I wrote two new answers which received some positive attention. :)

8:06 AM

morning || afternoon || evening

@Zanna Good morning to you Zanna ! :) Everything superfine for you today ? :)

thank you yes everything is pretty good

@Zanna only "pretty" ? :)

room for improvement :)

Hey Zanna!

8:23 AM

hey :) busy day? School holidays here, I seem not to have any work...

Holiday is next week here. Have to do a lot of work before that. Some nice, some I reaeaeaeally don't like (today)

ugh sorry to hear that

What age groups do you teach?

hmm mainly 11-16 but my youngest student is 7, oldest... ~50

Aha, on a school or private?

8:30 AM

privately

Nice!

@JacobVlijm an official school with 50 year old students ? :D

@cl-netbox could very well be, on higher level, but maybe I use the word school in a wrong way :)

I use "school" for every educational institution

@JacobVlijm well, I think in universities it is possible ... but not in "normal" schools (I think) :)

8:33 AM

^ ah cool, that's what I had in mind @Zanna

In the Netherlands ( I guess everywhere) we have "hoger beroepsonderwijs" > higher professional education

There we can have older students, but not often.

That student visits from Romania; haven't seen him for a while. I wish he would randomly turn up and I could get some work

@JacobVlijm That's a good idea because age doesn't matter at all ... so the Netherlands seem to be ahead of Germany, where this is not possible in normal schools. :)

You don't have some kind of agreement with him to have lessons regularly @Zanna

@cl-netbox I am not sure we are ahead in practice, because many hbo committees do not allow older people.

a friend on mine is 52 and technically still a student. He did math, statictics, economy, computer science and physics major at the same time

^ that I love Stopping to learn is a culture often @Rinzwind

8:40 AM

Nice ... Rinzy ! :)

he is allowed to teach these classes too (and does so when needed)

but the teaching job in Netherlands is wacky...

The main idea is with many people: learn until your 25 th or so, then just wait until you die

when he does more than 6 months teaching at the same school that school is required to offer him a contract. And an increase in pay. So he gets fired (as do lots of teachers) after 5 months and are told to come back next year for another 5 months.

a school holds a minimum of teachers and adds 5 months jobs to it when needed.

^ that is common practice. Very, very bad. How can you ever get commited to the school?

Basically a student gets 2 or 3 teachers a year for the same class

yeah it is cheaper to hire 3 5 months jobs than 1 regular teacher.

8:44 AM

@JacobVlijm not only in schools ... also in businesses ... which is a very bad evolution

not here. well for office work it is not.

that friend of mine has a nick name

Fex :D

@JacobVlijm no, he just texts me when he's in London... he's an entrepreneur

Stands for Francines Ex :X A girl he dated for 1 hour _O-

:)

I have 1/3 job for "salary", for the rest I have always been my own boss. The salaried job is nice though.

well, the other part as well, but uncertain

blade19899

10:09 AM

@oli What was your website again?

Lol, never mind, On your profile page...

Web Server Security Test | eurobytes.nl

Again, just bragging!

I will write an article about how to secure your server, soon.

10:47 AM

Thank you for removing the spaces @muru (my beloved spaces ...hahaha) ... besides that, is the answer useful ? :)

muru

Dunno, can't check.

@muru Well, forced host time sync once turned off, you're able to set it manually - right ? :)

11:50 AM

ninja'd in 11 sec

nice mod job

Zacharee1

12:25 PM

RIP

Sorry @Zanna for not helping you out in CVs. School's been stupid

Isn't it always like that?

@Zacharee1 no worries, you just do your thing. The site will be here when you have time for it...

the site will ALWAYS be here

zackly

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander bum bum bum

@Zanna I'm just watching that number creep up though :p

@ByteCommander sounds like you're channeling @ThomasWard

12:33 PM

Not really...

Or maybe I played too much with the Necronomicon last night...

Q: Do we need the [bootup] tag?

@Zacharee1 my bad, I CV'd a bunch as dupe of a semi-canonical "type foo is not known on line bar of source list" question at the weekend

Ask Ubuntu Meta

0

Looking at the questions tagged with bootup, I concluded the tag is synonymous to boot. Unlike boot, it has no description and is much less used and mostly by low-rep (assuming: new) users. Is it possible to make it a true synonym?

discussion tags tag-synonyms

12:54 PM

@AskUbuntuMeta no!

A: More interesting name for our main chat room?

2:30 PM

in Ask Ubuntu Chat Room Names, 35 secs ago, by Pandya

0

How about naming room according to the code name of current release? Yakkety Yak Or If you prefer LTS release like me, then: Xenial Xerus And update room name according to release (either current or LTS). This will give enjoyment with innovative encouragement.

terdon

3:05 PM

7

A: More interesting name for our main chat room?

Not sure if this would be appreciated, but what if we renamed our chatroom every 6 months when a new release comes out and use the codename's animal and its living place as inspiration. Example: 14.04: The Tahr Mountain 14.10: The Unicorn Sky 15.04: The Vervet Savanna 15.10: The Werewolf Moon ...

Already suggested.

I deleted your answer since the suggestion had already been made.

Hi terdon ! :) Good afternoon to you ! :)

@terdon Yes, @NathanOsman already pointed out and he has also posted one meta question related tobit.

@terdon oh! I missed it. ok

3:20 PM

damn me :D

I was looking at an answer... thought ... looks good and wanted to upvote... can't D:

@Rinzwind What happened Rinzy ?

cuz it was my own answer :D

Takkat

LOL

Rinzy :)

@Rinzwind HAHAHAHA LOL

takky! boxy! :-)

the name was just below the visible area _O-

3:22 PM

@Takkat Good afternoon ! :)

Takkat

Hi cl

3:50 PM

his name is Boxy

@Rinzwind :D :D :D

@terdon Why don't we just keep the name and replace "General" with "Chat" to make it right what it is : Ask Ubuntu Chat Room ... ? :)

No

Only 1 name would do!

Nope ... hahaha

"Rinzwind's playground"

2

I am the Legendary one :=DDD

so my chat

terdon

@cl-netbox Essentially because I don't feel there's been enough of a consensus on meta.