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terdon

10:23

@lewis4u the people wanting to hire are giving job offers

Those who want to take the offer will bid on the offer.

See definition 3 here: dictionary.com/browse/bid

lewis4u

ok but...first comes this demand/request and then comes an offer

on our website will be like this we have an event and need 2 cooks and 2 helpers....and that is a request...and then you come and see and you have those people working for you and you will make an offer for some money

and say you will rent those 2 cooks and helpers for 200$ and you make that offer

and the question is on what did you make that offer

terdon

@lewis4u That's what I mean. The "request" is actually an offer. It's a job offer and the replies can be called bids: "I will do this for $10"

lewis4u

on a request or is there some other better word

terdon

@lewis4u You made the bid on the offer

lewis4u

ok you are kind'a right....it's hard to translate from german

terdon

10:29

Alternatively, you can call the responses quotes. When you want someone to do a job for you and you ask how much it would cost, you are asking them to give you a quote.

lewis4u

anfrage->angebot

yes...true

terdon

Although, if your database is listing job offers, I don't see why you don't just call it jobs. Then you would have jobs and offers*/*bids*/*quotes or whatever.

lewis4u

because the endusers are normal people like physical people who want personnel and the agencies are actually the ones who make these offers

terdon

So?

These are physical people who want to hire someone for a job, right?

lewis4u

no

terdon

10:33

?

lewis4u

not someone....

they want to hire an agency

one agency

terdon

@lewis4u Yes, an agency is someone.

But that makes no difference.

lewis4u

maybe

i'm still struggling with translations and DB relationships

terdon

Your users want to hire someone (a person, an agency, a dog, whatever) to do a job. So they're offering jobs. The people who respond (agencies, humans, dogs or whatever) are making offers / bids /providing quotes for that job.

lewis4u

but it's kind'a wrong to call this a job...it's more like an event for multiple different jobs

there are more things involved....more than 20 form fields

=> 20 different table columns

terdon

10:38

OK. 1) If you ask for help, you need to explain the whole situation. We can't read your mind. 2) You are seriously overthinking this. The db name is only ever going to be seen by developers, you just need a name that makes it clear to people who already know about the system what the system is. 3) A job can be simple or incredibly complex. For example, being the head of a government involves thousands of different things. It's still a job.

Takkat

would this work: vacancies - applications ???

terdon

Hey! A German! :)

@Takkat I don't think so. As far as I can understand, @lewis4u is setting up some sort of freelancer thing. So there aren't any vacancies, as such, only jobs.

Takkat

Then jobs - applications

lewis4u

yes you are 100% right terdon unfortunatelly i can't give all info...this is from work....it's very hard to help with not enough info

terdon

By the way, this really isn't the best place for this sort of discussion. You might want to ask here instead:

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lewis4u

10:48

thanks

Android Dev

11:55

@chili555 - askubuntu.com/questions/839608/…

Rinzwind

12:53

too harsh?

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Q: Asus Notebook vs Linux

I recently aquired an Asus F550VX-DM103D and it was deliverd with Free Dos. Windows 10 worked like a charm, not a single problem. On the other hand, when i tried to install Ubuntu (or linux mint, centos, RHEL, etc) it didn't worked at all.. It started freezing, not rebooting, not booting, problem...

Anwar

@terdon Just wanted to know if that was helpful. Since I cannot say anything on the topic.

Rinzwind

he wanted my opinion :P @terdon @Takkat ^^

Anwar

last line :O

Takkat

@Rinzwind same - you may be considered rude. Say that the problems are out of reach for Ubuntu or sth.

We all know that there is ~~hardware~~ people not meant to play nice with Linux.

Anwar

13:25

Can I change KDE font settings from terminal?

Oli

@Anwar ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals

Maybe. That might be KDE4 not 5 :\.

Anwar

Thanks. That means, I need to change the text file. No tools like gsettings or dconf?

Anwar

13:40

I was reading about tmux. It says " it enables a number of terminals to be created, accessed, and controlled from a single screen". Doesn't many other terminal support this same thing? Also what is meant by 'screen' here?

terdon

@Anwar Fair enough, I thought you wanted to do it.

Anwar

I would do, but I was unsure

terdon

@Anwar No, it lets you connect to a remote machine and open multiple shell sessions within the same terminal emulator. You can then log out of the machine and the remote sessions keep running, so you can reconnect to them next time you connect to the machine.

And "screen" here is GNU screen

An older tmux:

GNU Screen

GNU Screen is a terminal multiplexer, a software application that can be used to multiplex several virtual consoles, allowing a user to access multiple separate login sessions inside a single terminal window, or detach and reattach sessions from a terminal. It is useful for dealing with multiple programs from a command line interface, and for separating programs from the session of the Unix shell that started the program, particularly so a remote process continues running even when the user is disconnected. Released under the terms of version 3 or later of the GNU General Public License, GNU Screen...

Anwar

Oh. That's interesting. Thank you.

But Wiki says, tmux is newer? (or did I misread it?)

terdon

@Anwar Oh, yes, sorry, my bad. Tmux is the more modern one.

Anwar

13:54

got it. Terminal there refers to the usual terminal we use, right? or VT ones?

terdon

14:05

@Anwar Well, it means the older meaning. Basically, s/terminal/shell session/

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Anwar

oh. was thinking same

chili555

@AndroidDev I'm on it as suggested!

TheXed

Hi.

Rinzwind

14:36

my mother just called. "Ubuntu has an internal error" :P

if I can fix it :=D

@terdon google broke down?

wtf 769 upvotes :X

terdon

@Rinzwind ?

Rinzwind

@terdon typical google q ;-)

terdon

Oh, not really. That's a great explanation with a lot of detail. I doubt you can find one as good on Google. Not explaining all of tty, console, virtual console, terminal, shell, virtual terminal, terminal emulator etc.

blade19899

files in /var/log/ are empty. No sub directories are affected. Any suggestions?

TheXed

@Rinzwind good luck

Rinzwind

14:51

@blade19899 suggestions on what? >:)

you want them to start logging?

want to know why they are empty?

@terdon it is hard to beat wikipedia on stuff like that :P

nothing wrong with that blue flag :=)

Anwar

what was that about?

chili555

@blade19899 Was the relevant log archived and a new log started? For instance, if /var/log/syslog is empty, check in /var/log/syslog.1

blade19899

Wait, got it!

Rinzwind

lol

@blade19899 you should start writing suspense novels >:)

chili555

man logrotate

Mudit Kapil

15:00

@Fabby 'o'

TheXed

15:20

@Mateo!

Rinzwind

:33032927

TheXed

@Rinzwind did you get that computer fixedd?

Rinzwind

😁 Happy birthday all. Today Ubuntu turned 12

@TheXed at work so no ;)

Anwar

This is what happens usually. I click on a question (thinking this will be my last question, I'll go to work after that..). Oh! I can answer it...go for it...stuck..google it..found the answer...continue writing...hmmm, this needs some good explanation...google...found some nice tools + 2 more essential looked articles to read, quickly grasp some gist from 1... finish the answer.

1 hour gone :(

TheXed

@Rinzwind oh me too...

Zanna

15:30

@Anwar so generous with your time

Anwar

not sure if it is good or bad for me.

Zanna

idk but it's definitely good for AU, so, thank you!

TheXed

can someone try installing gksu please?

Anwar

@Zanna I'd agree. but ...

TheXed

sudo apt install gksu incase you are to lazy to type it yourself.

Anwar

15:35

@TheXed What's with it?

chili555

@TheXed It installs for me.

TheXed

Okay @chili555 that is all I needed to know. Thanks

I am not on Ubuntu right now So I can't check myself.

chili555

Glad to help.

Zanna

@Anwar I understand the problem... AU is eating all my time as well... but I have decided I want to give my time to it at the moment, so it's OK for me!

Anwar

ah. that's nice.

@TheXed It is installed here already :)

16.04. I might have installed it

karthick87

15:37

Hey @Rinzwind do you have a minute of time? I am trying to convert JSON to CSV in Python and getting an error. Hope you can give me a hint. Here is the data pastebin.com/raw/Djs7vCy7

TheXed

I wonder what is for lunch...

chili555

@Anwar It might speed things up if you could get rid of that "going to work" thingy. It sure did for me.

Anwar

@chili555 ah. Thanks. Need to figure out a way to get rid of that. :)

TheXed

Can someone tell me what sudo -H gedit does?

I really wish I had access to a Ubuntu computer

Anwar

  -H, --set-home              set HOME variable to target user's home dir

TheXed

15:42

@Anwar what does that mean?

Anwar

That means without it, all applications from that command will use settings from root account

One change I saw is, the looks are different for gedit. One uses default settings and -H uses my own settings

TheXed

So if one ran the command sudo -H gedit, could they edit system configuration files?

Zanna

apparently this needs an update? askubuntu.com/questions/17610/…

It may be... but the answer doesn't work, due to the flag needed being depreciated :/ — INeedHelpA 8 mins ago

Anwar

@TheXed running with sudo will give the power so I can edit all files. But without -H, i think any change you make in users settings will be stored as roots changed settings

TheXed

@Anwar I see..

Ken Sandoval

15:50

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Q: upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 shows failure kernel load errors

I hit upgrade, then I waited for packages to be downloaded. I had to go to slep then I found this message, but, I was doing some reasearch and someone said this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2318779&p=13466943#post13466943 solution works. I have not tried it since I had to go to work,...

16.04 upgrade

Hi

here is my issue

any advice on how to start troubleshooting?

Anwar

I found a nice tool. debtree

but that has a bug :(

Ken Sandoval

I actually had 14.04 installed, and I daily was receiving the little message of "your software is up to date but you are still using 14.04. you can upgrade to 16.06. " and there were two buttons. Upgrade an OK. So, I decided the night I started the thread to begin upgrade. I had made backups of everything anyway, like videos and personal pictures on Amazon Cloud Drive, so I am not really worried about data loss. If I have to start from scratch I will do it, however,
it is funny because now the computer when I boot up, and press ctrl atl F2, I get the message saying "Welcome to Ubuntu 16.06"…

When I am in terminal mode, I to lsd_release and it says 16.04
I go on my home directory and I can see all my fidercorites and everything is there (whitch is a good thing. everything is fine.
I do sudo dpkg --configure -a and it works, then I do sudo apt-get dist upgrade, and it workds, then I do sudo apt/get -f install
and all that works,

then I do sudo shutdown to restart or just shutdown and it returns a black screen that says "no boot option" press f1 to retry, press f2 to start diagnostics press f5 to set up whatever...
I am a little sad honestly, but possibly tomorrow that I am off, I am going to have to go purchase a couple of dvd empty discs to burn a 16.04 ISO an use it to boot from it, do you think it will work without loosing all my data? or it will?
as clarification, I have said before that I backed up personal files on Amazon cloud drive, but, all my study files, pdf books, Cisco networking, Linux PDF files, web …

terdon

@KenSandoval if you want to ask a question, please do so on Ask Ubuntu and not in chat.

Ah, sorry, I see you've already done so.

OK, please add all this extra info you gave here into your question though.

Ken Sandoval

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Rinzwind

16:33

I am on mobile. No trains going home so can't help ATM. @karthick87

karthick87

@Rinzwind no worries. Have a good day! Catch you later o/

Owen Hines

Hello!

Anyone here? :P

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16:58

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Q: Ubuntu is 12 today!

Just thought I would post this I found on OMG Ubuntu, seems very appropriate here :) Today is Ubuntu's 12th birthday, Happy Birthday Ubuntu!!! The OMG Ubuntu link contains an Ubuntu quiz you can take to test your Ubuntu knowledge.

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TheXed

17:24

@OwenHines I try not to be...but I guess I am...

Owen Hines

alright

TheXed

@OwenHines whats up?

Owen Hines

Oh, I just wanted to let a couple people know why I haven't been active here for around a week.

I just got back from a camping trip :P

TheXed

Oh, did you have fun? eating brown bears and earth worms?

and sleeping on the ground?

Owen Hines

Yeah, I slept in a sleeping bag on the ground under a tarp

It was a good change of pace

I had fun

TheXed

17:29

Cool, what was the occasion...

Owen Hines

Well, my parents just wanted to do that and brought me :/

Nathan Osman

@ByteCommander yeah, don't tell anyone, but it's basically in maintenance mode right now.

I don't have the time to maintain it.

And with multi-process Firefox on its way, I doubt things will get better.

deostroll

17:49

Hi. I need to find the version of a particular package in the repo...what do I do?

Anwar

which package?

deostroll

octave

Anwar

apt-cache policy octave will do

deostroll

okay...will that info update if you add a repository?

Anwar

yes. after a package refresh

deostroll

17:54

apt-get update , you mean?

Anwar

yes

Shakespeare programming language!! codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/91340/4947

Rinzwind

compiz segfault. I hate those

fixed it \o/

Nathan Osman

o/

Anwar

Is elixir a good language to learn?

Nathan Osman

I've never even heard of it :D

Anwar

18:08

lol

elixir-lang.org here

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, non-English link in answer, non-Latin link in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Why does the find command blow up in /run/? by asgari on askubuntu.com

Byte Commander

@NathanOsman Hey!

Sad to hear that, would have been cool to use it.

@SmokeDetector already deleted

Seems like that was the same physical user with two accounts.

Had the same Gravatar, so probably same email address.

Also same or similar spam content.

Anwar

Does AU allow to create two accounts with same email address?

Byte Commander

It should not...

When I tried that once around a year ago, it didn't let me.

But the default autogenerated icon is the same, and IIRC that one is based on the hashed email address.

Anwar

18:24

it says unregistered for both users

may be there is a default icon for unregistered users

Byte Commander

Maybe they hash something else like IP or some browser fingerprint data instead of the email for anonymous users...

Anwar

maybe

Serg

can somebody search through my answers on desktop plz ?

i am on mobile

Anwar

what to search?

Serg

There's a question which asks for redirection of both command and output to file

i know there's a duplicate in my answers

it's around 10 votes

Byte Commander

18:38

@Serg I know. Already VTCed - I have an answer there as well (only 4 votes though...) :)

Anwar

The one I answered also

Byte Commander

:D

Serg

nuked with my gold

Anwar

yeah. I knew

Serg

it's sooo good to have my badge back

Byte Commander

18:40

wants gold hammer as well :P

Serg

Who are we ? AskUbuntu residents. What do we want ? All the gold badges ! When do we want em ? Right meow

Byte Commander

Would need 465 more votes on 102 more answers to get command-line gold.

Anwar

I need one

Serg

Light rail police dudes . . . just asked them to check if my card works . . .on next station they come in again to check tickets for whole light rail, still check mine . . .Guys, y'all don't remember me ?

Anwar

@Serg here askubuntu.com/questions/821952/…

Serg

18:44

I JUST saw y'all

Anwar

found by searching my answers :)

You had 8 votes. I was searching using 9 :(

Byte Commander

@Anwar err - wrong question.

Anwar

how?

Byte Commander

we were looking for askubuntu.com/questions/688498/include-command-in-output-file to close askubuntu.com/questions/839745/… as dupe

Serg

sadly my answer there wasn't accepted. i found 5 ways, and OP didn't look carefully enough at my answer. He said it doesn't include the command in output, which it actually does

Anwar

18:49

oh. I wasn't aware of those answers.

Byte Commander

Mine has only +4, more appreciation would have been preferable as well.

Anwar

anyway. bbl

Byte Commander

Speaking of appreciation, that stupid suo insults question is on +143 now.

Anwar

it has a catchy title

Byte Commander

GUYS, I ALSO HAVE OTHER, ACTUALLY USEFUL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON WHICH YOU CAN VOTE!

:P

+144 now

Zanna

19:24

@ByteCommander I have had about 60 unpaid upvotes on my answer now hahaha

Byte Commander

:D

More to come, I believe

@Zanna Oh, and congratulations to your first golden Great Answer badge! :)

Serg

19:46

If I disable the Unity Plugin it also disables GUI rendering for all of my apps, I'll try replacing the shortcuts only. Is there anything that I can do to remove Unity Dash (search thingy) from the source code itself? — razex 6 hours ago

Zanna

@ByteCommander many thanks for the congratulations & the question! congratulations on your gold Great Question badge!

Serg

^ that's how you know OP is a fackin idiot

I NEVER TOLD YOU TO DISABLE UNITY PLUGIN

Serg

19:57

Sooo . . . the smallest launcher icon size is 8

Zanna

20:09

@ByteCommander the guru badge is also my first, and nice to have!

David Cole - Grammar Police

@KazWolfe I'm a dumbass.

The modem and my computer both support direct ethernet ._.

Byte Commander

@Zanna Nice. I have 3 of those already :)

Zanna

@ByteCommander you have dispelled a lot of darkness around here :)

Serg

56 nice answers

Zanna

impressive

34 here

Byte Commander

20:24

@Zanna because of my 16 Enlightened badges?

Still need an Illuminator though.

and 48 Nice Answers

Zanna

@ByteCommander no... I was referring to the word guru, it literally means "one who dispells darkness" iirc

David Cole - Grammar Police

Okay this is odd

Byte Commander

Oh, okay? What language?

Zanna

@ByteCommander Sanskrit ultimately

Byte Commander

Hmm... That's far above me.

Zanna

20:31

My bad, sorry! Sometimes I expect everyone to know the same stuff as me

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user136984

Anyone got any ideas on this? :)

user136984

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Q: "Possible missing firmware" warnings after upgrading to 16.10

After upgrading from Ubuntu GNOME 16.04.1 with GNOME 3.20 to Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 with GNOME 3.22, I have noticed that when there is a kernel upgrade for instance and update-initramfs is doing its thing (like during the upgrade) that I get these warnings: Setting up linux-image-extra-4.8.0-26-gene...

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user136984

Not had anything like this before.

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda Dupe. Asked the same question already a while ago.

user136984

20:44

It's Ubuntu's 12th Birthday today!

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Byte Commander

Sorry Guys, I have reinstalled it case @ByteCommander was saying its beyond repair — Gaurav 13 mins ago

NOOOOOO!

That was in a conditional sentence type 2!

I never told you to reinstall :P

So that's how doing the @terdon feels.

Terrance

@ByteCommander I read your comment, and no where did you say anything like that.

Byte Commander

I know, but OP seemingly doesn't...

Well, if that will at least solve their problem...

Terrance

We can hope that reinstalling solves their issue.

Serg

Thank god for shellcheck.com

Bash's error reporting is useless

Mateo

20:59

@TheXed what's up!

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