Ask Ubuntu General Room

Kaz Wolfe

00:00

what i miss?

o/ @Fabby

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe I pushed the button to launch the nukes.

Fabby

Good night to you alone then...

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman which nuke button?

Fabby

Btw I've been to Canada!

Kaz Wolfe

i know of at least 17 you have under your control

Nathan Osman

00:00

@Fabby oh?

Fabby

(got stuck at Calgary for 6 hours because of severe storms...

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe 17? I have one button to rule them all.™

@Fabby Sounds like Calgary, all right :D

They get really crazy weather there.

Fabby

I asked if I could walk on the tarmac and ignore the lighting but they wouldn't let me!!!

Serg

@Fabby hello Mr. F . . . May we talk somewhat in private on tox ?

Nathan Osman

@Fabby It's not a terribly large airport anyway.

At least not compared to Vancouver or Toronto.

Fabby

00:03

:D :D :D

On phone, so sorry: @serg

And I need to sleep.

Nathan Osman

Get some rest.

And thanks for stopping in.

Fabby

You know my real name, right?

Serg

@Fabby well , get some sleep then. Was nice seeing you

Nathan Osman

I probably have it in an email somewhere.

Serg

@Fabby yes, i know

Fabby

00:05

Skype me firstnamelastname no spaces, dots or underscore

Serg

@Fabby Skype: serg.kolo

Fabby

Delete that

Nathan Osman

I just realized that I probably haven't used Skype in over a year.

Fabby

Do you have a hat on?

In your avatar on Skype

Serg

@Fabby red christmass hat , guy with beard and weird smile

and glasses

Fabby

00:09

Skype request sent

Serg

added

IanC

well, going to get ready for work, graveyard shift this week

Seth

eww skype

IanC

see yall later

Nathan Osman

@Seth At the last programming job I had, that's what the company used for internal communication. And for what it's worth, the chat worked quite well.

Seth

00:16

every day.

@NathanOsman oh I used the chat for years.

now I will repeat: eww skype ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Seth all chat sucks ;p

Seth

@JourneymanGeek you're not wrong ;P

I've found Telegram to be pretty great (best I've used), but it falls short in the security area, tho it is better than most.

Kaz Wolfe

so seth

what is a good chat solution?

Seth

I have good memories of ICQ though.

@KazWolfe What do you need it for?

Kaz Wolfe

let's just say general chat which is reasonably secure

groups would be a huge bonus

Seth

00:22

Do you need a desktop client or mobile only?

Kaz Wolfe

as would it being open. moderation is unnecessary but nice

Journeyman Geek

I need to update matrix at some point...

Kaz Wolfe

mobile would be preferred, but desktop clients are good

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe IRC!

Kaz Wolfe

@JourneymanGeek And I quote, "but IRC is ugly and for hacker nerds"

Journeyman Geek

00:23

@KazWolfe clearly the person who said this is a ~~muggle~~ behatted hipster.

Seth

@KazWolfe ohhh, open eh? I haven't played with that too much. IRC is definitely a good contender.

Kaz Wolfe

that would be correct.

Journeyman Geek

matrix seems interesting but is under pretty massive development

Seth

Not too hard to secure and it's light weight.

Kaz Wolfe

they like shiny flat UIs, akin to Apple's design principles.

@JourneymanGeek Anything else is ugly and for peasants

Journeyman Geek

00:23

its got a pretty nice phone and web client, and its a open standard.

Seth

There was an SE chat clone that was pretty decent. I don't remember the name tho.

Journeyman Geek

maiou?

Seth

yeah that one

Journeyman Geek

problem with it is there's no native auth method. Was 'easy' to set up

I have notes for that somewhere

Seth

@KazWolfe well slack works, but it's not really free.

Check out ryver and mattermost as free and OSS alternatives.

Kaz Wolfe

00:26

@Seth "slack is difficult and it makes no sense"

Seth

@KazWolfe may I suggest hand delivered notes?

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth "too slow"

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe your friend is difficult and makes no sense.

Kaz Wolfe

yep.

Seth

haha, that xD

so you want open, as in anyone can join easily (like IRC)? Not like FB chat?

Kaz Wolfe

00:27

slack - too hard and not easy to use
irc - ugly terminal interface that is literally unusable

open inasmuch as I can mod and read/write messages

Seth

That's not really how personal communication works..

Either way, outside of slack and friends, IRC, and discord I have little other experience in the world of large group/open chat. Most of my tinkering was in the realm of 1to1/small group stuff that was closer to SMS than IRC.

Fabby

Good night akl

Need sleep

Seth

night fabby!

Nathan Osman

@Seth I really need to work on Pratl.

I think it will be easier if I split it into two parts - the Django backend that powers the UI and takes care of registration, etc and a Go backend that takes care of WebSockets. The two would communicate through Redis.

Zacharee1

Nathan Osman

00:39

That brings the app to at least four Docker containers then :D (Django UI, Postgres, Go, Redis)

Serg

@Zacharee1 i guess i have no laugh muscles, because i said it without laughing

Zacharee1

@Serg must be more stereotypical than we thought

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Challenge accepted. Challenge passed.

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James

01:14

Nathan Osman

Lol.

If I ever get a pet, it is so going to be a turtle.

Serg

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Serg I get it ~~you~~ they vape

James

totes

I need to make it out to Colorado.

Nathan Osman

Doesn't the altitude make it hard to breathe? :D

(Not the fog, I mean the distance from sea level.)

Serg

01:17

@JourneymanGeek they vape AND do marijuana , so yeah . . .

James

It's not that bad, supposedly.

Journeyman Geek

@Serg maybe both

Serg

I mean, i can breathe at the altitude just fine, it's the allergy that's killing me

Nathan Osman

"Mile High City" - there's your proof right there.

Journeyman Geek

(amusingly I'm softly against both simply cause the fanboys annoy me)

Seth

01:18

You could move to Washington :P

Serg

I am not against either, as long as it's done with brains . . . without brains anything can go wrong

Seth

we have all that, including the fanboys ;p

Nathan Osman

From a moral point-of-view, medicinal pot isn't really much different from other painkillers. Perhaps even less addictive than some.

Journeyman Geek

@NathanOsman quite literally... the fanboys annoy me

Nathan Osman

Well, there's that and yes, I agree.

James

01:19

Oh great, now we get into politics. We've got a room for that. ;-)

Journeyman Geek

and I'm one of those folks who believe that people should be allowed to do what they want in private.

lol

my bad

James

HAH. You're in the wrong city @JourneymanGeek. Singapore is not known for its libertarian leanings... lol

Seth

we should sneak @JourneymanGeek in so he can vote for Gary Johnson :P

Journeyman Geek

@Seth I have NO idea how it happened, honest ;p

Serg

I heard Singaporean gold medalists get paid the most

Journeyman Geek

01:22

speaking of fanboys...

@Serg <pinky in mouth> 1 million dollars

Nathan Osman

@James Yeah, but at least this room is civil enough that we can all disagree and still shake hands at the end of it.

Some of the other rooms on the network, well... not so much.

Journeyman Geek

annoyingly 20% goes to their swimming club (He trains in the US for dog's sake), and taxes and...

On the bright side, his military service has been defered so he can train

Serg

@NathanOsman this room is not so civil when it comes to text editors

Nathan Osman

Well, I'll still shake hands with vim users.

James

Well, we have the ubuntu code of conduct to guide us, more or less.

Nathan Osman

01:24

That too.

But it really all boils down to: be nice.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Serg

Personally, I'm fine with any text editor that people use. I started with nano myself, then switched to vim.

And yup . . .

Seth

@NathanOsman wait, you're an emacs user?!

Nathan Osman

GOOD HEAVENS NO.

I'd rather use cat than emacs.

Seth

phew xD

I already had one friend switch to emacs :(

Journeyman Geek

01:27

lol

Nathan Osman

I've pretty much settled on nano until I have the time to learn vim.

Journeyman Geek

I thought we didn't discuss religions here? ;p

Seth

I'm being waaaay too serious here, I know :P

Serg

I tried emacs once. Managed to split screen somehow, and edit a few files. But never went back to it

Nathan Osman

I also want to learn tmux when I get the chance.

Seth

01:28

same

Serg

I'm using byobu. best of both

Nathan Osman

I've heard of byobu too - is it worth learning?

Seth

it's a frontend to tmux.

Serg

it's really a wrapper script for both tmux and screen

Seth

I use it because it's super easy to do for simple things.

Serg

01:29

i use it because features: clock, ip indicator, etc

and pretty colors

and really there's just a few things to learn. F1-4 keys, splitting, scrolling, and thats it

I wanted to start a blog , maybe i should start it with byobu tutorial or something

Zacharee1

votez? imgur.com/gallery/veAwi

Serg

gosh, i wish i could have a third screen. Once you have dual screen, you never wanna go back to single screen

Zacharee1

@Serg true that

Seth

@Zacharee1 nice!

but sry, no account

Zacharee1

drat

Serg

01:42

i just got an account , yay

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman I use tmux and vim and zsh. I'm about as fanatic as it gets. :P

TBH, tmux is much nicer than screen in basically everything

Seth

@RPiAwesomeness that reminds me of the other day I couldn't figure out why changes to my .bashrc weren't working.

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth xD I did that, except with bash aliases

You use zsh too?

Seth

yeah

Zacharee1

@Serg yay

Seth

01:44

I like it.

I got all my favorite parts of fish, but still got to use bashisms.

RPi Awesomeness

It takes a little setup to get really nice, but when you do...

Especially for dev stuff, integrates nicely with git

Nathan Osman

I lose all my hair?

Seth

@Zacharee1 y u no exif data ಠ_ಠ

Serg

Anybody uses duolingo here ?

Zacharee1

@Seth Imgur?

Seth

01:46

@NathanOsman wait, when did @James switch to zsh?

RPi Awesomeness

@Serg I do. Did French over the past school year, going to be doing German this year

Seth

:P

RPi Awesomeness

I really really like the autocompletion

Nathan Osman

@Seth I didn't know that he did.

Seth

@Zacharee1 y u imgur ಠ_ಠ

Zacharee1

01:47

@Serg I try then forget

Seth

@NathanOsman it was a joke. and maybe a bad onbe

Nathan Osman

@Seth Imgur strips EXIF.

Zacharee1

@Seth I could Flickr, but getting the direct link is a huge hassle

Serg

@RPiAwesomeness lovely ! I'm doing Spanish right now.

Seth

@NathanOsman I know

Serg

01:47

Haven't done any since 6 years ago

Zacharee1

@Serg ¿me comprendes?

RPi Awesomeness

@Serg Nice :)

Serg

@Zacharee1 no se que tu hablas , pinche pingino :p

RPi Awesomeness

I decided to do German because it's a little more rare than Spanish and I have several friends who are taking it

James

@Seth ages ago

RPi Awesomeness

01:48

@Seth @James Do you guys use OhMyZsh?

Zacharee1

@Serg ay dios mio

James

i've been a zsh fan for... probably 4, maybe 5 years.

Seth

<-- does

James

@RPiAwesomeness yup

Nathan Osman

It's getting harder to be polite to telemarketers.

Especially during supper.

James

01:49

@NathanOsman i stopped being polite.

RPi Awesomeness

Nice

Seth

@James this

Zacharee1

@RPiAwesomeness Sprischt du Deutsch? Because I don't

James

"Hi. Thanks for calling me. Bug off. Call me again and the federal governmen-<they hang up>"

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman You actually hear them out?

RPi Awesomeness

01:49

@Zacharee1 Leider Nein :P

Nathan Osman

Best idea I've heard: tell them "oh, you need to talk to so-and-so, one moment" and then leave the phone off the hook.

Zacharee1

I just don't pick up the phone

RPi Awesomeness

I'm learning it

Seth

hahahahaha

Zacharee1

heh

James

01:49

for "your windows has a virus" ones

i give them a VM and watch

done that once or twice

Zacharee1

@James CALL REALL MS SUPPORT NOW 1-888-NOTAFAKE

RPi Awesomeness

@James I've seen videos of people doing that xD

@James @Seth Wanna swap screenshots?

James

@RPiAwesomeness of what, our zsh?

Nathan Osman

@James I have a Windows 98 VM.

That might be fun.

>:)

RPi Awesomeness

@James Yeah

Serg

01:50

MS support is alright, but there's some that try to phish out your IRS info . Happened to my father couple of times

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman there's a YTer who did some vids like that

Seth

friend: x didn't answer my messages :(
me: don't worry, siri will.
friend: I prefer cortana
me: cortana is evil
friend: only in books written by siri
me: wait, Halo was written by siri?!

RPi Awesomeness

Seth

that was too much fun xD

James

@RPiAwesomeness looks the same as mine.

Nathan Osman

01:51

But... is it legal to record the call without informing the other party?

I don't think it is up here.

That would kinda spoil it.

Seth

@RPiAwesomeness that's the same as mine too, except I stuck with the default purple background.

I like that color that. What is it?

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth Yeah, I've got the ARC theme installed

Serg

It is not legal @NathanOsman AFAIK

Seth

@Serg It depends on the state.

James

Nathan Osman

01:52

I'm in the state of Canada.

4

James

@serg @NathanOsman long story short, don't.

RPi Awesomeness

Default ARC theme, but I tweaked it a bit to make it match the titlebar to make it seem more like a single window

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman "This call may be recorded for quality and training purposes"

RPi Awesomeness

And added some transparency

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman I'm in the state of Procrastination

3

Serg

01:53

XD @Zacharee1

James

@RPiAwesomeness for vim, check out vim.spf13.com

RPi Awesomeness

I like the agnoster theme, but it takes a bunch of extra configuration

Seth

@NathanOsman I was talking to Serg ;)

Nathan Osman

@James Could I play a "this call may be recorded for archival purposes" and then some beeps, dialtones, and whatnot followed by me answering the phone?

Serg

I usually don't pick up numbers that i don't recognize

James

01:53

once you tweak the settings for the appropriate tabs vs spaces side you're on, it's a pretty fantastic vim setup.

Seth

@NathanOsman Not in Washington. Basically: check.

Zacharee1

@Seth so if I call T-Mobile from WA they can't record my call for quality purposes?

@Seth Don't ruin it

Nathan Osman

They take the fun out of everything. It's my telephone. It's an unsolicited call. I should be able to do what I want with it.

James

I need to write another blog post & update it (For example, I no longer use a Surface), but I still do this today, more or less: blog.jamesrgifford.com/2015/09/16/working-in-the-cloud

Seth

@NathanOsman Vote Gary Johnson and change that!

Nathan Osman

01:54

Is it the same people that said I can't fly my drone in a national park? :D

Seth

:P

I'm laughing at the irony of sneaking Nathan in to vote for Gary Johnson xD

Nathan Osman

Lol.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman US politicians get into a lot of places they shouldn't be, so maybe

Seth

@Zacharee1 T-mobile is a big company. They can get away with whatever they want

Serg

That ^

Zacharee1

01:55

@Seth imagine Verizon though

James

Recording calls is like, super confusing.

Nathan Osman

"Too big to fail" == "I'll do whatever I want, so there."

Seth

@Zacharee1 I don't need to imagine it.

James

dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations

Zacharee1

@Seth dun dun dun

Nathan Osman

01:56

Bottom line: talk to a lawyer.

Zacharee1

I'm really disappointed that the TMO S7 has a locked BL

TMO says Samsung did it without asking

James

If it's across state lines (AKA, place your call center in a 1-party state), then federal law (1 party) applies and nobody is going to be able to get a 2-party state law to stick across state lines for the call... more or less.

Seth

Fix: Don't buy Samsung.

James

(I AM NOT A LAWYER)

Zacharee1

@James so then it's legal

with inform

Nathan Osman

01:57

I hear they get paid well (lawyers).

Zacharee1

@Seth I want my S-Pen.

And we'll just have to see about the Note 7

Cause there's no way I'm getting the N5

Seth

why would you get a Nexus 5?!

Zacharee1

Note 5!

James

@RPiAwesomeness have you started down the path of tmux plugins?

Zacharee1

lol

slowternet

Seth

01:59

@Zacharee1 Oh. N is reserved for the nexus devices ;p

Serg

Bottom line, don't pick up phone numbers that you do not recognize

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