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Kaz Wolfe

21:00

btw you're all welcome to submit pull requests :D

Byte Commander

Now you do :)

However, that's not the problem.

Nathan Osman

Yup, we've got circular imports.

Kaz Wolfe

oh?

Nathan Osman

from AwooCore import VERSION

...and then...

import AwooUtils

They are importing each other.

Kaz Wolfe

so how do we unbreak

Nathan Osman

21:02

Move the VERSION, etc. to a separate file.

So that AwooUtils doesn't need to touch AwooCore.

Serg

maybe i should join in the debugging party - im having issues with json file

Byte Commander

193

Q: Circular (or cyclic) imports in Python

What will happen if two modules import each other? To generalize the problem, what about the cyclic imports in Python?

> 'import' and 'from xxx import yyy' are executable statements. They execute when the running program reaches that line.

If a module is not in sys.modules, then an import creates the new module entry in sys.modules and then executes the code in the module. It does not return control to the calling module until the execution has completed.

If a module does exist in sys.modules then an import simply returns that module whether or not it has completed executing. That is the reason why cyclic imports may return modules which appear to be partly empty.

^ @KazWolfe

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Ubuntu: Immovable .tmp file on network drive with no PID

tl;dr version: I have a localdb.kdbx.tmp file on a local network drive that I can't move/delete/copy/overwrite/open/etc. All attempts, sudo or otherwise, throw a "Device or resource busy" error. Running fuser and lsof shows nothing; as far as I can tell nothing is actively accessing the file and ...

ubuntu networking files process

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe Don't move to external file!

Kaz Wolfe

i'm moving the get version/apikey/everything over to Utils

Byte Commander

21:06

Simply put everything you want to directly run in the AwooCore.py file (everything that is not a class/def) inside if __name__ == "__main__":

Serg

Ah, so apparently json is a dum dum and can't deal with single quotes in 'Property Name' , but only deals with "Property Name" in double quotes

Byte Commander

That is already enough not to execute it when importing the module and breaks the circle.

It's good practice anyway.

brb

Kaz Wolfe

okay, well i'm not sure how to avoid this circular import.

because i need to give the bot to AwooUtils

Serg

It werks !!! yay

Nathan Osman

What?

Kaz Wolfe

21:14

AwooUtils makes a bunch of calls to bot, which is defined in core.

Serg

Can somebody give me a complex command with kind of complex quoting ? i need to test a few things

Kaz Wolfe

brb just cheating

Byte Commander

back

@Serg command in what language?

Serg

@ByteCommander shell , bash

Byte Commander

And what exactly do you want to test and how complex?

Serg

21:25

@ByteCommander I'm reading json file with commands into python script and giving commands to subprocess

{
  "1":["nautilus"],
  "2":["firefox","google.com"],
  "3":["virtualbox"]
}

that's the json file

Byte Commander

So...?

I still don't get what kind of complex command you want... Probably you have to be creative yourself.

Kaz Wolfe

IT'S ALIVE :D

Byte Commander

Unheilig-Nachschicht.wmv

►

Cool Song. It's called "Nachtschicht" though (typo in title)

(means "night shift" in English)

Rinzwind

spam askubuntu.com/questions/810260/…

Serg

Aaaand I have working python code. Yay . . . .now the question is do i take a break, or do i go update my old answer

Rinzwind

21:37

NAA askubuntu.com/a/810253/15811

@Serg update! :+)

Seth

how is that spam?

Rinzwind

@Seth links to a amazon page about a notebook

Seth

35 secs ago, by Seth

how is that spam?

Rinzwind

I call that spam

Byte Commander

I call it VVVLQ, but not really spam.

Serg

21:39

As long as this works for answering the question, i'll consider it non spam. Otherwise - spam

I've written about this on meta by the way

Seth

so he's spamming for amazon? heh

Serg

@Seth what if he is the seller on that link ?

Byte Commander

close unclear askubuntu.com/q/808577/367990

Rinzwind

@Seth promoting a product IS spam. No matter how you look at it.

Seth

@Serg so you are going to assume a seller on Amazon, in India, goes out of his way to post an assumed question on an English site instead of a person needing help providing us with the type of machine he has?

@Rinzwind How is he promoting it?

Rinzwind

21:46

@Seth by advertising the link

it adds totally NOTHING to the post.

let me put it in another way: what would happen if EVERYONE on AU instead of posting the details posts a link to amazon?

Serg

@Seth well, the type of machine could be mentioned in plain text, without link, right ? Which is what most people do. At best we could edit it, and see if he tries to edit it back in. If he does, well there's clearly something shady going on

Rinzwind

again: this is spam.

Serg

@Rinzwind link to the question plz ？

Rinzwind

see the NAA a few lines up

user136984

@Serg: Wow! I thought you were someone new for a moment there because of your profile picture change! :D

user136984

21:49

Also, I tried なと today and really loved it! Have you tried that?

Serg

@ParanoidPanda I joined the wolves to confuse everybody. Now there's 3 wolves in the chat , @ByteCommander , @KazWolfe and @Me

Kaz Wolfe

woof!

Serg

@ParanoidPanda no , never tried. How is it ?

user136984

@Serg: Very nice, it is fermented soya bean.

Byte Commander

Sounds slimy.

user136984

21:52

It has a sort of slimy texture, and makes you feel a bit like a spider making a web because it will go round the table and just look like a spider web! But a nice one! :D

Byte Commander

Yuck

user136984

I really like it, but apparently there are a lot of Japanese people who can't stand it, and most Europeans can't stand it. So I am special! :D

Terrance

@ByteCommander That link you posted there looks like the Range Extender is not configured. Anyway, I left a comment on that one, plus a VTC.

Byte Commander

aha, okay...

Sounds like a good guess.

edwinksl

@Seth i think the url is an affiliate link

Serg

22:05

TADA： askubuntu.com/a/758307/295286

@ByteCommander that's what i was working on ^

Nathan Osman

@Serg DAT CODE.

Serg

hmmm, mousing over the right edge of the screen huh . . .

TheXed

hi

Serg

hellow fellow

TheXed

hows it going...

Byte Commander

22:14

@Serg Looks nice, but MTL;DR

Serg

@ByteCommander RTFMing is alway long

TheXed

I wonder what fancy new features Restone 2 will include???

Byte Commander

But RTFCodeOfOthers sucks

Serg

yay, somebody downgoated me on U&L

sempai noticed me ?

Byte Commander

goat wars

TheXed

22:16

@Serg I hate it when I get downgoated...

Rinzwind

@Serg not me! :=)

Serg

and the question is already closed as dupe anyway so it's much too pointless

Rinzwind

seth gave up on me? :*(

Kaz Wolfe

yay the command handler works @NathanOsman :D

the code is convoluted af, but it works

Nathan Osman

Cool.

Kaz Wolfe

22:24

so now, making the code less weird

Rinzwind

coding it 1st in a weird way is weird in itself >:-D

Kaz Wolfe

it's open to pull requests :D

that if someone is really bored and wants to work with god knows what my code became

Rinzwind

I am on a holiday :=) no coding for me this last week >:-D

Serg

nom nom time

(translation: im having lunch)

Rinzwind

00:32 here.
I am having snacks :=D

Nathan Osman

22:33

@KazWolfe I'll see if I have time later.

Kaz Wolfe

it works so i'm not concerned

Rinzwind

to get me into another 5 hours of olympic games

Kaz Wolfe

i wonder. because i have to use another event for chat, should i just merge the two into one "plugin" handler?

Serg

i need to keep my breakfast time , because last two days i woke up later than I was supposed to

Nathan Osman

I'm sitting in front of a Bluetooth keyboard connected to my phone. So I can type faster than I otherwise could with my phone but I don't have access to a PC right now.

Just FYI :)

Rinzwind

22:34

I sleep between 10 am and 2pm @serg X:

IanC

evening

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Q: What to do when the OP refuses to provide clarification?

I think the title says it all, however I am referring in particular to this question. The situation goes like this: I see an answer that I might be able to answer however it lacks some details I need to know I leave a comment asking for clarification The OP basically says: hey, answer my questi...

discussion

Nathan Osman

...and balancing both on my lap is... tricky.

Serg

@Rinzwind I used to do the same, but because everybody is unhappy about my behavior like this, i need to change it

so i did

but now i am relapsing

Rinzwind

holiday... olympic games ... I have no choice >:-D
Next week I go back to work though so .... problems there :D

ok. back later. snack time.

Nathan Osman

22:36

Sleep is for when I'm really bored :D

IanC

my phone still believes my headphones are on when they are not, I'm seriously considering my chances on rooting it since it's already screwed up anyways

Kaz Wolfe

you should root anyways

Nathan Osman

What model?

Kaz Wolfe

it's not dangerous, really

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe not always.

IanC

22:37

MotoG, first generation

Nathan Osman

I know of at least one app that doesn't work on rooted phones under certain conditions.

IanC

the bootloader can be unlocked through the motorolla website, seems safe (as long as the MOD is safe)

TheXed

@NathanOsman Microsoft Lumia 950, with a display dock...all your problems would be solved...

Serg

I think i found a way to get mouse location from python Gdk . . . gonna add that to my answer real quick . . .

actually . . .no . . .

let me beautify my answer first

Nathan Osman

@TheXed lol, no.

I'm an Android guy.

IanC

22:39

@NathanOsman I think bank apps don't work on rooted phones, would have to walk to the bank again :p

Kaz Wolfe

some do, some don't.

TheXed

Actually i want to get a display dock but they are so stinking expensive...

Nathan Osman

@IanC right, good point.

TheXed

@IanC its called use your web browser...

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe has a fair point though. I can use my banking app on a rooted phone. Though not to pay, just for balance checks, deposits, etc.

TheXed

22:40

@IanC but then again I never log into see what my bank balance is...I just have faith that my wife hasn't drained my account and left me with nothing...

Nathan Osman

LOL.

IanC

hahaha

Nathan Osman

Must. Resist. Joke.

IanC

I don't look it very often neither

TheXed

@NathanOsman oh go ahead...we are all friends here...besides what can I do other then smack you with a imaginary rainbow trout...

IanC

22:41

@TheXed thing with net banking is that many banks force your browser to install some lame extensions

Kaz Wolfe

@TheXed /me slaps you with a halibut

TheXed

@KazWolfe /me cowers in a dark corner...

IanC

but I'm still tempted to root it, even with the bank app issue, the freedom that comes with it :O

Nathan Osman

@IanC THAT is a red flag.

I don't install stuff on my computer because some company wants me to.

Kaz Wolfe

"hey its me ur isp, pls install this HTTPS root ca"

Nathan Osman

22:44

Over my dead body.

Our ISP wouldn't activate our Internet unless we installed their "security suite" and tools.

IanC

@NathanOsman I didn't use net banking on my computer because of the extension they wanted to install

Nathan Osman

That machine is no longer running Windows :D

IanC

you bypassed their "security suite" filter?

Kaz Wolfe

see, if my isp did that to me, they'd be confused as hell

and i wouldn't help

"yeah so i downloaded your EXE and it's not opening"

"when i click on it, it opens up my file window"

"where's the start menu? i don't see one"

"how do i reboot my computer?"

"i already said i don't see a start menu."

Byte Commander

23:00

:D

Do that on a headless Arch Linux server

IanC

guys, sort of stupid question, but I always installed from source using checkinstall, to be able to easily uninstall things compiled from source

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander ohmygod yes

IanC

with make install isn't there a way to remove what you installed?

Kaz Wolfe

"i downloaded your exe but i can't click on it"

IanC

I mean, I'm always more tempted to build from packages for the easy of uninstalling, but it can't be as complicated as I think to remove when you install from source, or upgrading would be a pain in the ***

Serg

23:06

and that's why there should be uninstall scripts

Terrance

@IanC Usually it is make uninstall to remove

IanC

there should be a uninstall script on the Makefile then?

Terrance

That's what I have used in the past to remove after I ran the make install from source

IanC

well, guess checkinstall will keep its place on my "install from source" routine

if you were really paranoid you could read the Makefile and see where everything went to manually delete it right?

Terrance

I am going to download a source file right now and see.

Byte Commander

23:12

@KazWolfe However, you have to explain why a noob like "you" is sitting in front of an Arch server then... Also tricky.

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander "my friend installed this and said it's better"

Byte Commander

:-|

Kaz Wolfe

"and now i can't get to the internet"

no sorry

"and now i can't get to the Google/the YouTube/the Gmail/the Facebook"

you have to include the word "the" before the site so you look really nooby

Serg

That's too much work for me. It's easier to go find another provider

user136984

Well, goodnight folks! Bean a fun slimy bean eating day! ;)

Serg

23:18

sleep well, Mr. Panda

Kaz Wolfe

are we gonna turn panda into a wolf, @serg?

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe And then after a few sentences, tell the support person, "I think you do not really know a thing about this. Could I please talk to a real technician?"

Serg

@KazWolfe nah, he doesn't seem like wolfy type, keep him as panda

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander omfg

i just burst out laughing and caused all the other devops to panic :D

Byte Commander

xD

Kaz Wolfe

23:21

client: "can i talk to your supervisor?"

me: "yeah, sure." *makes hold music because lolz*

Terrance

@IanC I did a test run on the source files for mate-terminal and mate-common, and the build for mate-terminal could not detect mate-common after running sudo make uninstall removed it. I couldn't see anything in the Makefile saying where it installed anything to.

Kaz Wolfe

me: "Hi, thanks for holding. I'm my manager, how can I help?"

Byte Commander

:D

You have to hum the hold music yourself!

Serg

"Do you see anyone around you with long beard and glasses ? Maybe someone who has car plate UNIX in his office ? Yeah, put that guy on the phone "

Kaz Wolfe

client: "what, no. I want a supervisor!"

IanC

23:23

@Terrance is there any "uninstall: " line in the Makefile?

Kaz Wolfe

me: "Yeah, you have the supervisor on the line. How can I help?"

Terrance

@IanC I couldn't see any

Kaz Wolfe

client: "transfer me to your supervisor or i'm terminating my service"

me: "k" *actually puts him on hold*

me (deeper voice): "Hi. This is Kaz' supervisor. How can I be of assistance?"

client: "Finally! You need to fire Kaz. He's terrible. Either way, I fixed my own problem by $steps_that_i_told_him. Thanks for nothing"

IanC

@Terrance thats weird, maybe "make" has some internal uninstall procedure? I thought the uninstall was a script made by the developer

Kaz Wolfe

me (regular voice): "Thank you and have a great day! Your account has been locked and your files are being e-mailed to you."

client: *click*

Terrance

23:26

@IanC I couldn't tell ya. All I know is that it works if I need to remove an application that I installed from source, given I kept the source files.

Byte Commander

real story or just fiction?

Kaz Wolfe

bit of both

Byte Commander

:)

Kaz Wolfe

i am my own supervisor, and i did fake being my super once to get a client, who got his account terminated because I saw a ToS violation

Serg

OK, is spotify good ? can I get like japanese music there ?

Kaz Wolfe

23:28

i think so...?

IanC

@Terrance

    "If you're lucky, running make uninstall will work. It's up to the library's authors to provide that, however; some authors provide an uninstall target, others don't.

    If you're not lucky, you'll have to manually uninstall it. Running make -n install can be helpful, since it will show the steps that the software would take to install itself but won't actually do anything. You can then manually reverse those steps."

took from here stackoverflow.com/questions/1439950/…

apparently the uninstall can be missing on a makefile, and you would have to manually remove it

but good to know about this make -n install, just in case of emergencies

Kaz Wolfe

nuuuu mods

i could've learned magic :(

Byte Commander

@IanC When I used make uninstall last time, I believe I had messed up dbus stuff afterwards...

Terrance

23:44

@IanC Yeah, I guess that can help if you need. It is good to know. =)

Byte Commander

If somebody tells you that you're great, you can answer "Thanks for the praise/accolade/commendation/plaudits/laud" - which word would be most appropriate here?

IanC

thanks for the compliment?

Nathan Osman

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