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NathanOS? ;-)

user136984

Wooops! :D

Where can I download that? ^.^

@Serg WOW - you are back - great - I already worried about something 'bad' had happened to you. :)

5:08 PM

@cl-netbox sigh... Might it be that you're a bit too emotional sometimes?

user136984

@cl-netbox: Oh no, you see it is not @Serg, it is his ghost... :P

@Serg Background looks cool. Who's the white-haired guy behind the window?

@ByteCommander yes - might be - but is that something bad ?

Usually not, but it can become annoying... (also referring to the downvote argument we had)

@ByteCommander It's a white haired lady, from "Painted Skin 2" a chinese movie. It's about a demon girl, who has been imprisoned in ice for 500 years, and has been freed. She wants to become human again, and she needs to find a man willing to give up his heart for her.

@cl-netbox I am back, nothing bad happened to me, I was just busy with school

@ParanoidPanda yup, I'll become a ghost soon, if I don't fix my sleep

5:13 PM

@ByteCommander may be - but I really think we should act like @Serg said the other day in one of his comments : everybody should be nice to everybody ! ... and the downvote thing : I think we made PEACE, right ? :)

@Serg Great =) +1

@cl-netbox Yes, of course. But it was an unnecessary dispute.

(this one would be as well if we continue arguing... :p)

@ByteCommander @cl-netbox lol, what are you guys arguing about ?

Not important.

@Serg Besides some minor formatting (will edit soon), it's cool.

I have one script improvement suggestion though:

Why don't you split it up into two scripts, one for (1/3) and another for (2/3), with a separate shortcut for each?

I think this is more comfortable than entering 1 or 2 manually.

Oh, and a typo! "below" != "bellow" ;-)

@ByteCommander I didn't start this today, right ? ... and I think asking @Serg whether he's up and alright is not too emotional, right ? - When I like somebody I ask things like that and nobody should be annoyed ... :)

5:20 PM

Fixing this...

> @ Serg WOW - you are back - great - I already worried about something 'bad' had happened to you. :)

@ByteCommander Hmm, can be done as well...I'll ask OP in the comment if he wants that

@Serg please can you explain ?

@cl-netbox explain what ?

4 mins ago, by Byte Commander

Fixing this...

@cl-netbox Edited @Serg's answer. Please compare and say whether it's ok.

> As said, if a program doesn't exist, what should I be reading up on to get this to work? (A specific shortcut for example for 2/3 and another for 1/3)

user136984

5:27 PM

@NathanOsman: You should know, there is some sort of problem with NitroShare, my network traffic goes really high when running it even though there is nothing coming through, nor sending, nor should there be. And eventually my machine crashes...

@ByteCommander @cl-netbox hehe, you guys make big deal out of small things. You guys should see how I get excited when I see my best friend . . . .She's in China right now, so you can be sure I'll be jumping around her like a crazy puppy. Being emotional isn't bad in any way :)

user136984

Do you know of a bug like this?

And I assume both 1/3 and 2/3 move the window to the left currently, right? What about fixing one size to the left and the other to the right?

user136984

Or anything that could be happening?

@ByteCommander @Serg I am not very experienced with chat room behavior in general and especially with this one at all - so please be patient with me. :)

5:29 PM

@ByteCommander Thank you for improved formating. Yes , I've read through OP's question. But OP said it's for example. Now . . . . fixing to the right and left is a good idea ! I'm gonna add that

@Serg That's a different thing. It's real-life and a real and old friend and you won't see her many times per week, I guess...

@ParanoidPanda I've never seen anything like that. NitroShare hardly utilizes the network at all when idle. Just a tiny UDP packet every few seconds.

@ByteCommander chatrooms are real people too. Except for @GeorgetheDev , he's a bot :)

But okay, you're also right that I shouldn't care as long as the ping does not point at me! ;-)

user136984

@NathanOsman: After an analysis of the packets with WireShark it appears as though I am receiving a very high amount of TCP-UNKNOWN packets on NitroShare's port.

user136984

5:32 PM

And it appears to be coming from the port of another machine that is running NitroShare.

user136984

Any ideas?

@Serg Different approach: let it together as one script, but allow parameters like -1 or -2 and -l or -r. Check for those arguments, and if given, place the window accordingly. If not, open the prompt window. That way you can have the interactive and the direct version as separate shortcuts.

You just have to play around a bit with bash script arguments...

@ByteCommander Hey, I just changed my script to place 1/3 window on the left and 2/3 window on right and I kinda like it !

I think I might be using this script for myself a lot in the future

<.<

@ParanoidPanda What other machines are running NitroShare?

:)

user136984

5:34 PM

@NathanOsman: None on my network.

user136984

Not at the moment anyway.

What is the source of the packets then?

user136984

I will have to check, but not my IP...

o.O

user136984

Ah, it appears to be an IP that was causing me some trouble before with odd communications...

user136984

5:39 PM

@NathanOsman: Is there any way someone outside of my network could send packets to NitroShare?

So someone from the internet is attacking your port opened by Nitroshare?

user136984

Apparently so... But I thought that it wouldn't be that easy without port forwarding enabled or something...

Hack him back! >:D

Edited my answer again. I like these types of questions ^_^

THE DARK TENOR - Love is Light (official video HD)

In the meanwhile, I have no idea what my opinion of this song/video should be:

►

user136984

5:42 PM

I mean, @NathanOsman does NS really open the port up so that anyone outside of my network can send packets to it?

An open port is an open port, isn't it?

user136984

@ByteCommander: That might not be such a great idea... I know this person through a ducky guy... And this guy happens to be a potentially grumpy security guru so maybe hacking him back isn't the best of plans...

user136984

Well yeah, but doesn't my router protect me?

Depends on the router, obviously. I think you can configure some routers to block ports or to block all but a set of ports from the outside.

Most routers also act as a firewall.

user136984

5:46 PM

Yes, mine does.

May I ask for your router model?

user136984

Sorry, I don't feel comfortable with disclosing such information publicly.

My router will drop incoming connections to any port other than the ones I explicitly open.

user136984

Plus, I'm not even sure myself! :P

@ParanoidPanda You're kidding, right? The model? 143456 people hve the exact same one.

5:48 PM

Okay. No problem.

user136984

@terdon: Yes, but nobody knows which people.

And I definitely think Powerwolf does a better job than Dark Tenor:

It would be difficult to debug this any further without being able to inspect the packet capture.

Powerwolf Let There Be Night(Lyrics)+Latin

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@ParanoidPanda There just isn't any conceivable way how knowing your router's model would help any attacker. It could, however, help us help you since we'd be able to look up information about it.

5:51 PM

@ and your studies?

:P ;)

user136984

@terdon: Well, the other problem is that I don't remember what it is and can't find it... :P

It's written on the router. We don't need the serial number or anything, just the make and model.

Doesn't it have a sticker on the bottom or something?

user136984

Apparently not...

No make on it?

5:54 PM

@Serg and your studies :p ;)

Oh, by the way, please close your question as a dupe so we don't fill the close queue for no reason, @ParanoidPanda

@ByteCommander tox?

@A.B. Hm? Exchange IDs?

user136984

@terdon: facepalm...

user136984

There is a big piece of dried chocolate cake stuck to the label on my router...

Ravan

5:58 PM

@cl-netbox o/

user136984

I am attempting to remove it as we speak...

@ParanoidPanda facecake

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user136984

:D

Ravan

@terdon hello

xD

5:59 PM

@ParanoidPanda yes, per mail?

@Ravan hi

@A.B. Who do you man now - me or Panda?

user136984

@A.B.: "per mail"?

@ByteCommander sorry, you

@ParanoidPanda sorry, not you, I meant ByteCommander =)

user136984

:D

6:01 PM

have it?

@ByteCommander yes

user136984

@terdon @ByteCommander: Well, although getting the chocolate cake off did rip the label and mean that I cannot read what is on it now at all... I have still determined that my router has some sort of firewall.

Try some of the common local IPs for routers...

192.168.1.1

@ParanoidPanda lol. You should also be able to find make and model by logging in to you router's config page.

6:04 PM

192.168.1.254

...

I am surprised that googling for facepalm, facewall, facedesk etc. all brings the desired result, but "facecake" just shows face-shaped cake

Monty Python - History of the Joke

That ^^

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@A.B. Sent qtox contact offer.

Back after dinner...

Don't some routers even broadcast the IP address of the config page via UPnP?

UPnP is one of the first things I disable when getting a new router...

But now: Dinner! Really!

6:11 PM

@A.B. lol my studies aren't that hard, it's just that I am not smart enough. :)

@Serg Common, not smart enough? No, I can't believe that. :)

Well I've never seen this before:

ls: reading directory .: Too many open files

@NathanOsman o.O how many files do you have there ?

I think the NAS has gone berserk.

user136984

@terdon: Well, apparently the make and model is not there...

6:26 PM

@NathanOsman Full /tmp ?

@ParanoidPanda Weird

I logged on via SSH and mediacrawler was eating up the CPU.

user136984

@terdon @NathanOsman: Nevertheless, shouldn't NitroShare have closed the connection?

@ParanoidPanda What do you mean?

user136984

I mean, shouldn't it block any more packets from that source if they are not transmitting a file and appear to be some sort of DOS attack?

user136984

For at least a certain amount of time.

6:35 PM

It should disconnect if the protocol is violated in any way.

user136984

Well apparently not...

user136984

Can't you implement some sort of feature which allows users to get NitroShare to block any communications with an IP address if it launches what appears to be some sort of DOS attack? So that if it lasts for a certain amount of time or something, NitroShare blocks it for a user defined time. Because they seem to be getting round your other methods...

A: How to know what DNS am I using in Ubuntu from 14.04 onwards

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Packet analysis would be an alternative method that works regardless of NetworkManager or other network connection tool that you use. Basic idea is to send a dns query with nslookup and in a second terminal check where the packets go. For that we'd need to connect to the network for the first ti...

how's that ?

user136984

Or feature that prevents people not on the same network to communicate with your NS. That is, probably an optional feature.

user136984

@NathanOsman: Or at least give me some sort of an explanation for what I am experiencing now.

A: How to automatically update Atom editor?

6:41 PM

Again, someone edited my answer and there is no notification for me.

13

TL;DR If you do not want to use the PPA, you can use a script to download and automatically install via cron. Create a new file atom-auto-update sudo nano /usr/local/bin/atom-auto-update Add the following lines #!/bin/bash #http://askubuntu.com/questions/589469/how-to-automatically-update-...

user136984

Is it possible that it is stopping and starting the connection so that each packet appears to be part of a new connection? Or does it not work like that?

And with this edit, my explanation is stupid nonsense

@ParanoidPanda Throttling traffic is not something for an application to implement, but rather your host networking stack or hardware.

user136984

@NathanOsman: Well, it seems to be targeting one of my applications which doesn't seem to be doing anything about it, and even though I have done all I can to block the IP, it doesn't seem to work.

@Ravan I already did vote to reopen... You can't as you're not high enough on the food ladder yet... ;-)

6:44 PM

@ParanoidPanda Which port?

Rinzwind

@Fabby are you sure this aint asked before >:)

BBL Doctor Who time \o/ \o/

@Seth > Again, someone edited my answer and there is no notification for me.

user136984

@NathanOsman: The default for NS.

There's two - which one specifically?

user136984

I will check...

6:46 PM

@Rinzwind There is a dual-boot question, but not the solution @Ravan has brought AFAIK... (only spent 3 minutes looking though)

@A.B. which one?

@Fabby askubuntu.com/questions/589469/…

@Fabby did you mean this one : askubuntu.com/questions/678719/… ?

@A.B. maybe because you were not the last editor?

Have another example?

@Fabby And the change is annoying for me. I have a custom script and an explanation. Apart from that I use in my script no sudo as in the edit.

@Fabby no

That's too long ago.

@A.B. Hrmpf...

@cl-netbox no, this one

6:49 PM

@Fabby you mean another answer?

(follow the trail of the left pointing arrows)

@Fabby I have to grin every time you use onomatopoeia to express your disappointment! ;D

@A.B. yes, another answer that was edited where you didn't get a response...

@ByteCommander Tssk, tssk...

^.^

@Fabby this one askubuntu.com/posts/650501/revisions

6:53 PM

reading

@Seth: there's a pattern here ----^

when someone edits your post, you get notified.

when then someone else edits that edit, you don't get notified any more...

Bug?

Probably.

Meta Stack Exchange food?

I can't see why that should be intended.

Go and feed them! ;)

@ByteCommander Yup! (@A.B.: my suspicion is confirmed... I know I'm a great debugger)

I'm better leaving now for some TV and to continue my 1000 pages of Python3...

6:55 PM

Yes, you are =)

Hah! That's for @A.B. to do... I try to stay away from Meta Stack Exchange as much as possible.

user136984

@NathanOsman: Port: 40816.

@A.B. Back in the good old days of DOS, when I was a lead programmer, I used to sit on the keyboard and if the application didn't blow up, it was allwed shipping to the customer!

@Fabby But I do not know how many changes there have been, without that I know about it.

@A.B. want to test?

6:57 PM

How?

@ByteCommander: want to butt in?

@Fabby What?

I'm going to edit @A.B.'s last answer...

ah ok

then when I'm done, you're going to edit it again

6:58 PM

ok, let's test ist

Sigh... I wanted to read this now...

@ParanoidPanda That's the broadcast port.

Tu manges comme un cochon

But okay.

Be fast though.

Heh, just learned that

6:58 PM

@ParanoidPanda can you confirm that they are UDP packets?

@ByteCommander Qui ça???

(wrong reply target?)

actually, @A.B.'s last one is already edited... @ByteCommander

user136984

@NathanOsman: They appear to be "TCP-UNKNOWN".

so no work for you...

Lemme try.

6:59 PM

Well, that's fine then too.

Good night.

@Fabby no notification here

@ParanoidPanda Then NitroShare wouldn't accept them - it only accepts UDP packets on that port.

@A.B. i just pressed "save" 1 second ago

(well, 10 by now)

waiting ...

@ByteCommander Good night!

7:00 PM

I will leave now - good night - see you ... :)

@cl-netbox Good night!

What TZ are you in?

@Fabby I see the changes, but no notification

@cl-netbox cu my friend =)

@A.B. OK. we found the pattern...

user136984

@NathanOsman: Then perhaps they were "UDP-UNKNOWN", because I remember them having the "-UNKNOWN" bit, but not the beginning...

How much rep do you have on Meta Stack Exchange?

7:01 PM

=\ what a stupid bug

@ParanoidPanda Are they broadcast packets?

@Fabby 101

@A.B. Bugs always are...

@A.B. You'll lose some of those points...

400something

@Fabby why?

535

It's an angry crowd on Meta Stack Exchange

7:03 PM

164 >.>

Bunch of nit-picking, anally retentive, small-minded developers... ;-)

@Fabby maybe

not like the ones here on AU like @NathanOsman and @blade19899 and @Seth

So shall we get a room to discuss the kind of question you will pose? @A.B.

>:-)

@Fabby First I need a smoke

user136984

@NathanOsman: Well, they appear to be...

7:05 PM

Good! Me too!

BRB

@ParanoidPanda Then what's the problem?

That's how NitroShare discovers other PCs...

user136984

But they are coming in the masses from an unknown IP and crash NS as well as my machine...

user136984

Plus I've got a bunch of them coming through and then a bunch of TCP-UNKNOWNs to port 40818.

@ParanoidPanda Is it a local IP?

BAH. Curse you du! :P

Always messing me up :P

French rant complete. Sorry for any interruption.

7:09 PM

du... as in "disk usage"?

No, du as in the french thingy-doodler :P

Okay. Whatever that is :P

It's a french partitive, has to go before objects/things

Eg, du pain is bread.

LibreOffice 5.0.2 update is out!

I went to install LibreOffice 5.x and it wanted to install OpenJDK.

7:11 PM

Yeah, it needs that for the macros ... why they didn't use Python for the macro system I don't know :P

@RPiAwesomeness it's like "some", just that you must use it in French in some places.

@ByteCommander Yeah :P

@RPiAwesomeness But I have the Oracle JDK installed.

Why isn't that good enough?

@NathanOsman Hrm.

Strange.

File a bug?

I have the openjdk, so I did not notice anything ;)

7:12 PM

If George were here, he would be quick to say something about Oracle :P

Another easter egg?

...one that doesn't exist.

user136984

@NathanOsman: No, as I said before it is the IP address of someone from whom and to whom my computer had some very odd communications after the rise of the ducky guy here (it's a potentially grumpy security guru friend of theirs)...

Btw, why did you take him completely down this time?

@NathanOsman Has anyone found my easter egg as of yet?

7:13 PM

The love one?

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[sudo] password for fab-root:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

What version of Ubuntu are you on?

Vivid...

@ParanoidPanda Out of curiousity... do you have your PC configured in your router as a DMZ?

@Fabby If it's just been released then it won't be in the main repos yet

Something about this doesn't add up. How can they be broadcast packets if they're not from a local address...

7:14 PM

@RPiAwesomeness lemme look at the source...

@Fabby Nooooo :D

deb ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu vivid main

@ByteCommander Ah... Nothing on Trusty...

I have it from that PPA ^

@ByteCommander Oh! PPA...

Q: No notification if someone edits my answer

7:15 PM

@Fabby sorry :\

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In the two screenshots below you can see, the only notification that I got was for the first edit, three hours ago. Is this a bug?

Official repos still have 4.4.2 instead of 5.0.2

@ByteCommander I'll stay with whatever Canonical thinks I should stay with

You're boring... :P

Anyway.

user136984

@NathanOsman: I don't think so...

I guess I'm leaving now for the 5th time or so this evening.

sudo shutdown now!!!

7:17 PM

[sudo] password for byte-commander:

user136984

shutdown: unrecognised option 'now!!!'

@ParanoidPanda Rofl, good one

Is there a way to search your own answers , guys ?

like I often need to reference my old answer, and it's a pain in a but to search for them

@A.B. edited twice...

@ByteCommander It does what it needs to do for me...

@ByteCommander I like stable and will only add a PPA if it has a feature I need...

So: yes, I'm boring! ;-)

@Fabby Undocumented feature, sure =) It's not a bug, its a feature =)

user136984

@Serg: I actually typed in his command into Terminal and that is what I got... :D

user136984

7:20 PM

And probably what he got too! :P

@A.B. It's a programmer's crowd... Everyone knows that question means: Is it a bug or is it a bug.

user136984

Although I didn't use sudo just in case... :P

@Serg Yup.

Lemme get the URL...

@ByteCommander sudo shutdown

@Fabby Yes, I know, I'm a programmer ;)

7:21 PM

no now needed...

Q: How to make file make a list

Seriously?

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Hi I have made a gist on github could you please help me : https://gist.github.com/cliveboy/c269f59b45741386b09b

python files

@A.B. It's all about how you ask questions...

@Fabby yes, that's right =)

@Serg askubuntu.com/search?q=user%3A295286+is%3Aanswer+test

Change "test" to your search terms.

hbdgaf

Is @Seth here? I thought I'ld point him to the cli version if he was.

7:22 PM

@terdon :D :D :D

@A.B. that's a known issue. There a meta.se post about it. Something abhout certain edits not eliciting notifications. I'll see if I can find it.

@terdon ok, thank you.

A: No notification was received for an edit to a post

Ah, it was in the side bar of your question @A.B.:

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In order to reduce noise sent to users, we only notify when "substantive" changes are happening on their posts. There are a few rules in how "substantive" is defined, but typically one of these two should be enough to trigger a message: the edit in the post body should be over a threshold the ...

@terdon Additional comment left.

@terdon Omg, that's not over the threshold?

7:26 PM

ShouldI cast a close vote as "unclear what you're asking" ???

@NathanOsman thank you ! ! ! This saves a ton of time

@A.B. Wow. I would change your question to i) mention the other one and ii) ask how in the world was that not over the threshold.

user136984

@NathanOsman: It may not add up, but it is still happening. Is there no way that a machine on an external network could send packets to that port?

Yes, a machine could send packets to a port if the hardware allows those packets in.

But this scenario has become so far removed from NitroShare that it isn't even relevant anymore.

7:35 PM

Hmm, now I need reopen votes.

@A.B. tell me which one(s)?

Q: No notification if someone edits my answer

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Edit Here is an other example without a notification. The change was huge and I did not receive a notification. And that's not over the threshold as answered here? Here are revisions In the two screen shots below you can see that the only notification I ever got was for the first edit, ...

bug edits notifications

@A.B. em . . . I don't see an option to reopen there ^

@A.B. editing

@A.B. done

KISS!

(otherwise you'll succumb to the TL;DR syndrome)

Only upvotes so far! (@Serg: hint, hint...)

@ParanoidPanda Another hint to upvote ;-)

@A.B.: Believe me! You're going to need all the upvotes you can get on Meta Stack Exchange!!! :-(

I've been bitten before there! So did @Whaaaaaat!

1 question tens of downvotes!

@Fabby upvoted before you even hinted :)

7:48 PM

Oh, I thought @terdon was the one who upvoted after he cast a duplicate vote!

;-)

@Fabby Can't, not enough rep. I flagged as a dupe instead.

@terdon O_o! You? not enough rep??? Wow!

:)

You must've asked a question too some time ago then!

>:-)

@Fabby Thank you

7:50 PM

I am currious , what benefit I could derive in using Atom text editor , or at least how it could beat nano ?

@cl-netbox @ByteCommander I need some upvotes here meta.stackexchange.com/questions/266941/…

@Fabby A few (11), all with positive scores >:)

It's a serious bug =)

you're out of votes then? :/
Δεν καταλαβαίνω ...

It takes 3k to VTC and I have 2.4k or so

7:53 PM

@terdon I meant: an upvote for our poor @A.B. (tssk, tssk)

:P ;-)

Nature calling... BRB

Ah, I hadn't seen the edit. Upvoted now.

@terdon thank you =)

I'll be gone for a bit. C U L8R

@terdon ευχαριστώ! :-)

:)

@Fabby askubuntu.com/a/678785/295286

Opnions ? Onions ? Critique ?

8:10 PM

@Serg I'm out of votes...

for the next 3 hours...

... so keeping the tab open. In the mean time, you've got an edit! ;-)

Thank you :) Have I done a good job there though ?

@Serg >:-) Like I said: I'm out of votes... Which implies I would have upvoted! :P and I will in a couple of hours or tomorrow.

@A.B. hint, hint

Lol, vivaldi has a weird "page crashed" screen. It's a dead bird

8:51 PM

@ParanoidPanda do you dualboot with windoze ?

user136984

@Serg: No, I have been thinking about it but no... In fact more recently I have been thinking about turning my Windows 7 LiveUSB into one for Ubuntu... :P