@dessert they still working on it i guess

at least if you try to do update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d you get MIT magic cookie error: connectioni refused, which usually means there is no version in dev branch right now

they're working on it.

just commented on a question regarding this

last I heard was ISO respins last-minute because of things

@Videonauth tell them a moderator said "It'll be out when it's out so don't ask"

also link me the question

@ThomasWard this i did already once today :P

@ThomasWard Pours liquid helium on the fire...

I should put up a meta post saying "STOP ASKING WHEN IT'S RELEASED, IT WILL BE RELEASED WHEN IT'S RELEASED. Asking when it'll be released, either in comments or as questions/answers will result in the specific posts (and possibly posters) being lit on fire."

LOL

@ThomasWard s/posts/posters/

@ThomasWard your just made comment is only partially right

do-release-upgrade -d trys to get the devel version

only do-release-upgrade

@Videonauth which you need to do right now because 18.04 isn't released

yet

with -c you can check if there is one available

@Videonauth Use autocorrect in LibreOffice Write: just type (tm) and it'll convert to ™...

there i've edited it, @Videonauth

:)

what I don't get is why there's so much fuzz about the actual release

np just where saying it, any try actually to get the devel version will fail, because they are spinning the isos nd have moved already from dev branch to official branch

for me is no fuzz im on it already since two months now

and lsb_release already states it is LTS and not dev branch anymore

┌─[19:58:25]─[michael@NEXUS-ONE]
└──> ~ $ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
Description:	Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
Release:	18.04
Codename:	bionic

this happened with an update this past night or this morning

before it was Description: Ubuntu 18.04 dev

or beta 1 beta 2 etc

@thomasward freenode?

perhaps

perhaps not.

just don't bother them :P

more passive observation :)

right, only ask about once a minute --> "Are we there yet?" :D

pours salt over @Videonauth

@Videonauth and have my entire /48 banned from all ubuntu mirrors? :P

hehehe

well im only in a funny mood today

@vidarlo at least watching what's going on with reports, etc. about the release progress is not as scary as watching a fire that screams

so kidding around alot

Screaming fire sounds like fun.

not when it sounds like the Gates of H*** opening.

lol

The Original RA music was rather good actually.

@Videonauth [Ctrl] [Shift] [u2122][space]=™

yep figured that

on windows simply hold left alt and 0153

@ThomasWard Starred!

@vidarlo Yeah, you shoudn't install until 18.04.1 is released anyway...

@Videonauth yup.

@Fabby heck, I'm currently fighting to kill of winxp at work :\

@vidarlo Do you have a domain and login scripts?

if yes, set the file system dirty bit once/week on a random day.

@Fabby lol

if that doesn't help, install the BSOD Screensaver and hexedit out the warning that it's a screen saver.

start with one hour and then go progressively down by 5 minutes / week.

sadly it's used for legacy applications

@vidarlo 8-bit, 16-bit or 32-bit?

sccidentally uninstall them and screw up the installation medium :D

@fabby both. Mainly Step5 if you know that

Nope... Beancounter program I assume?

Oh shit! PLCs!!!

Haven't touched them in 30 years in a few months!

That was my first job when I was 21: Chemistry lab and Experimental machine hall full of PLCs!

hehehe looked it up on google right now too

i guess i still ahve an eval copy of it laying around somewhere too

siemens SP5 i have learned on

@vidarlo You should be able to run that in a Windows 3.11 VM...

3.11 fully patched and completely firewalled off by the host system is rock solid, blindingly fast and takes no memory!

@vidarlo you should simply ask your superiors if they are a future oriented company ;)

future oriented companys do not run software which is already out of production since over 13 years

@Videonauth I wouldn't mind going to Norway and replacing the PLCs with something more modern... How about you?

@Videonauth I'm working for the maker of those PLCs

all expenses paid by Vidarlo!

@Fabby if the pay is right, and the girls are nice ;) why not

lets say some customers pay a shitload to keep old stuff running

@vidarlo Ah, I've worked for SBS in the past.

yells "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" in regards to "When will it be released?" inquiries

@Fabby yes

@Fabby Ah, IT?

Yup. Customer-facing IT outsourcing: I've actually been to the SBS HQ twice:

one to get hired, once to get fired.

(well, go actually, but that doesn't rhyme)

hehe. Atos takeover?

:D

actually it's rather relaxed those days. We can even run Ubuntu on our desktops

@vidarlo No, I was given an opportunity to make double the amount I was making...

...that makes it easy to jump ship

They still talk about me in that group...

... I did some nifty things with Novell NetWare and Office they thought was impossible.

hehe

yeah, impossible is abused word in corporate IT

and brought the customer from 80% yellow tickets to 90% green tickets in one night.

10% were green, 80% yellow and 10% red.

Call-incident-problem graphing.

hehe

I only get tickets when things turn ugly

they're not red when they reach me, they're on fire

@vidarlo Crisis Management is your Modus Operandi...

>:-) >:-) >:-)

let's say I'm rather good at convincing PLCs to work.

@Zanna better late than never: while (( $? != 0 )); do list; done runs until the list has exited with 0 (aka run successfully) once, while while true or while : runs until forcibly interrupted with kill or Ctrl+C.

You confused me there… ;)

@dessert oh I see! false only ran once :)

silly me

@ThomasWard totally didn't sign up just to ask this :SheepishGrin:

heh

at least someone watches the star wall :P

Indeed. I assumed someone must have already asked.

Hehehe. An answer mentioning time travel should be worthy of a few upvotes...

Are we there yet?

glares at @Videonauth

lol

:D

I'm glad I signed up anyway

@Videonauth Next time you do that I'll flag it as offensive!

:D :D :D

@LogicalFallacy Or implied the question without directly asking the question. (TL;DR: Don't lurk the Ubuntu IRC chat rooms on release day unless you want to deal with the evils of people being stupid and constantly asking)

yes, and not like me joking around :)

:) :) :)

/shrug

:)

hint: im on 18.04 since a long time so have no real reason to ask

:P

@Videonauth true, well I stick to LTS because I'm an insane POWER USER OF DARKNESS who has a lot of things upgraded manually... and a bunch of my own packaging twists too :)

Yeah good call. I was thinking I should just download the beta. I was going to torrent the full release today to feel like my life has meaning, but that can always wait.

fun fact my home dir is 480GB and counting

yes but you are a special case user

Thomas is a nut case very special case!

>:-) >:-) >:-)

How do I type the following in a comment:

for APT in `find /etc/apt/ -name \*.list`; do
    grep -o "^deb ppa.launchpad.net/[a-z0-9\-]\+/[a-z0-9\-]\+" $APT | while read ENTRY ; do
        USER=`echo $ENTRY | cut -d/ -f4`
        PPA=`echo $ENTRY | cut -d/ -f5`
        echo sudo apt-add-repository ppa:$USER/$PPA
    done
done

(it has backticks in the command to type itself)

make it a oneliner and use $() instead of backticks

:facepalm:

for APT in $(find /etc/apt/ -name *.list); do grep -o "^deb ppa.launchpad.net/[a-z0-9\-]\+/[a-z0-9\-]\+" $APT | while read ENTRY ; do USER=$(echo $ENTRY | cut -d/ -f4) PPA=$(echo $ENTRY | cut -d/ -f5) echo sudo apt-add-repository ppa:$USER/$PPA done done

don't post it in a comment - put it on paste.ubuntu.com and post a link

@Zanna Good one!

Less work!

@Videonauth I like Zanna's answer better than yours! ;-)

yes, it is a better workaround, but you asked hot to put it into a comment ;)

and i guessed youre biggest hurdle was the backticks

but on paste is for sure better and more readable

(if you are recommending this command, I recommend you consider alternatives to parsing the output of find...)

I just need the output of that to know which PPAs he has installed.

But yeah...

if you check your script with shellcheck ( either website or installed; shellcheck.net) it will tell you that that the use of ` is deprecated or not advised and you should use $() instead

lemme rework my own local script so I don't give people bad ideas (it's an old one)

@Videonauth :D

I was just about to do that!

I have some PPAs but I don't get any output from your script

@Zanna weird on my system it works

┌─[21:23:13]─[michael@NEXUS-ONE]
└──> ~ $ for APT in `find /etc/apt/ -name \*.list`; do
>     grep -o "^deb ppa.launchpad.net/[a-z0-9\-]\+/[a-z0-9\-]\+" $APT | while read ENTRY ; do
>         USER=`echo $ENTRY | cut -d/ -f4`
>         PPA=`echo $ENTRY | cut -d/ -f5`
>         echo sudo apt-add-repository ppa:$USER/$PPA
>     done
> done
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:papirus/papirus
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:tista/adapta
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:thomas-schiex/blender
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa

sed -r '\|deb|s|.*//[^/]*/([^/]*/[^/]*)/.*|sudo add-apt-repository ppa:\1|' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*

interesting but produces multiple outputs

@Videonauth Avoid using USER. In fact, avoid using CAPS for variable names in shell scripts altogether. USER is an environment variable, so that can lead to weird bugs.

it's not Videonauth's script...

$ sed -r '\|deb|s|.*//[^/]*/([^/]*/[^/]*)/.*|sudo add-apt-repository ppa:\1|' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
deb apt.insynchq.com/ubuntu artful non-free contrib
deb apt.insynchq.com/ubuntu artful non-free contrib
deb dl.bintray.com/itchio/deb yakkety main
deb dl.bintray.com/itchio/deb yakkety main

@zanna ^

@Zanna Nor is it my business, but I wasn't about to let that stop my pedantry! :P

hehehe

just tested fabbys script, because zanna said it does not produce any output

@Videonauth shrug so add a | sort -u :)

@terdon It's a really old script.

I'm updating it

@Zanna that works! Thank you both! @Videonauth

@terdon :D

sed -rn '\|ppa|s|.*//[^/]*/([^/]*/[^/]*)/.*|sudo add-apt-repository ppa:\1|p' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | sort -u

fixed it (somewhat)

Why the silent?

@Zanna yep, only the weird list entries which are not a ppa show up a simply links instead of sudo apt add repository

I now have:

sed --regexp-extended \
  '\|deb|s|.*//[^/]*/([^/]*/[^/]*)/.*|ppa:\1|' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
  sort --unique

the "sudo add-apt-repository" is a left-over from my 14.04 to 16.04 migration and should not have been there...

@Fabby to get rid of the ones that are "weird list entries that are not a ppa"

the script is called "ppa-list"

OK...

adding

sed --regexp-extended --silent \
    '\|deb|s|.*//[^/]*/([^/]*/[^/]*)/.*|ppa:\1|' \
    /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
  sort --unique

I don't use the command line enough to remember all the short CLI options any more (or I'm getting old) so I switched to the long ones around my 12.04-14.04 upgrade.

so that's how I know it's an old script. probably pre-dates Precise.

@L.D.James I remember the gnome guys taking the shutdown out of the org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power button-power option...

I filed a bug with them: "This is totally irresponsible! If I accidentally drop a glass of Rum&Coke on my machine (because I've had a few too many) I want to be able to press the power button to be able to do an emergency shutdown and rip the battery out while it's shutting down"

1 week later it was back.

:D :D :D

@Fabby Yes. I remember. Haven't looked 18.04 yet, but I'll soon file a feature request to bring back ReBoot as one of the Power options. I don't know why they dropped it. But a person shouldn't have to risk shutting down the computer when he only wants to reboot. With all my experience, I hesitate on that control. Just clicking reboot and confidently walking away could release some stress.

This is why 18.04 isn't released yet

i never saw that bug since i not use ubiquity installer

@L.D.James I never even noticed, but you're right!

gsettings range org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power button-power
enum
'blank'
'suspend'
'shutdown'
'hibernate'
'interactive'
'nothing'
'logout'

I'll submit a feature request if it isn't in 18.04.

@Videonauth released 3 hours ago.

(and only submitted 10h ago)

They might respond that it's a matter of adding it to the menu, of which I could live with if I knew how. I didn't like how pressing the power button gave a menu rather than shutting down. It caused me lots of grief when working without a monitor and trying to save powerdown.

@Fabby oh idk for me 18.04 was released mid march ;)

It turned out that could be configured via System Settings.

@Videonauth The fix was released...

@Fabby yep but then testing on all flavors, and then spin up iso files for everything

@Videonauth I'm sure, that's because you enjoyed helping with the features and bug fixes.

... and development

@L.D.James Yup... I had the exact same thing: Sleep button = sleep, shutdown = shutdown. For a reboot, I open the terminal.

what button did you program for a reboot?

@L.D.James oh yes i do in fact have written a lot of bug reports and even have apport-backtrace installed here and gdb

this is why I am an early adopter of new versions

Yeah, but you're a kid and I'm an old fart!

:D ;-) :D

I didn't power a reboot, just a shutdown... the power button. I have a bunch of computers that I work via ssh. If one appears locked up for something simple like a network glitch, often a power down, will suffice and power backup will suffice. If I can access it from remote, I do the reboot from remote.

@Fabby me? well ok im younger than you but a kid? well thanks for the compliment :D

I believe tapping the powerbutton should safely powerdown the computer... on occasions where it doesn't... then that's when the hard shutdown should come into play, and only then.

@Videonauth BTW, plans for tomorrow: go see doctor, come back, pack, dropping by to give you the SSD (not even coming in for a glass of water), fetch mum from hospital

@Fabby ah ok, if your short on time we can do that part of you dropping by another day if you want

@L.D.James Too bad they took out the birth date from the profile view... How old are you? (decade will do)

@Videonauth It's just a slight detour. Ping me your address againg on skype so I don't have to go search for it.

I'm sure it's in my profile... or it used to be... I was born Feb. 20, 1950.

Aha! That's why! Another experienced BOFH.

there's a few more around here...

BOFH?

Bastard Operator From Hell

ah :D

Grin.

yeah im not firm in all the abrevations

Damn!

Clicked remove instead of edit

so here goes again:

just use arrow up if you need to edit your last one

hrhrhr, I can see where this is going ....

that's about the first of the BOFH story...

@Fabby at least im old enough to have known wau holland personally

theregister.co.uk/data_centre/bofh

----^ :D :D :D*

@Fabby yes and crosspost lol

Accidentally? Deleted? your hard disk??? Multiple times?????

I was considering writing an answer, but i guess he would not like it anyways ;)

@Videonauth I'll do the honors on U&L. You do the honours on AU???

you can do both if you want

we already know there is not much to recover at all

thats only involving me getting a headache and being grumpy for a week or two if I would try to write an actual answer

I'm going to install the beta before the day is over and see what 18.04 looks like. I'll put it on a VM.

@L.D.James isnt that bad if you install vanilla-gnome like me ;)

By the way, I still won't answer beta questions on AU.

... I'll start participating in 18.04 on AU when it's released.

All the discussion and anticipation is making me want to check it out.

@L.D.James well i actually answered none of em either, but neither did i close vote them, because it only fills the review que

and makes little sense

I just subscribed to the mailling list.

It might inspire new users to think about the sites rules and spare them future aggravation.

A lot of the beta post are coming from people who have been around. It might spare the review queue for 18.10.

@Fabby Any thoughts on how to combine the output of ls and file? askubuntu.com/a/1028537/507051

@dessert reading

@dessert :D Good answer, but so is Zanna's. Yours is funnier though.

Oh, the beta-2 directory vanished from cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/18.04…

18.04 party?

@dessert that is alredy gone a while

@AaronHall not sure yet might not make it to that one ;)

pretty late here already

@AaronHall fossbytes.com/ubuntu-18-04-not-released-yet

You guys see about Eric Lundgren? Doesn't exactly put Microsoft in a flattering light, does it.

Im a bit out when it comes to news, so a link would be nice to read up on

that -^ – I must admit I don't even know this guy.

no longer says beta: releases.ubuntu.com/18.04

@AaronHall copyright has to be enforce so MS does not have the option to let him do that.

+d

google.com/…

Obviously where he went wrong was burning Windows discs instead of Ubuntu ones...

If a guy sold Ubuntu discs for $0.25 each to every mom & pop computer store everywhere, that'd be ok, wouldn't it?

uh, released :)

@dessert final?

@AaronHall releases.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04

@dessert wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

cool, I'm going to tell my students to install it

there it is still future ;)

but you can assume it is final

@Videonauth ;D

:)

I didn't know aria2c could handle torrents – even better :>

lol

> '''something about snaps here'''

The Release Announcement is not polished yet…

Ubuntu 18.04 :D yey wait so much for this

@dessert torrent started.

@AaronHall Tell them to torrent it not to slam the Canonical servers.

@AaronHall … or at least use a mirror, see launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors for a list

342seeds, 303 peers.

kazwolfe@firewolf ~ $ sudo do-release-upgrade
Checking for a new Ubuntu release
No new release found.

:(

amd64 torrent links: Ubuntu – Ubuntu Server Edition – Ubuntu MATE – Ubuntu Budgie

Kubuntu – Lubuntu – Xubuntu yet to release

wait.

i can just do this.

kazwolfe@firewolf ~ $ while True:
.....................     do-release-upgrade
.....................
Checking for a new Ubuntu release
No new release found.
Checking for a new Ubuntu release
No new release found.
Checking for a new Ubuntu release
No new release found.
Checking for a new Ubuntu release
No new release found.

Oh wait, wrong Lubuntu link: Lubuntu

They haven't fully propagated the mirrors yet. The do-release-upgrade will most likely work when ubuntu.com/download/desktop has the latest version with the releae notes.

doesnt matter i can still while True it

@KazWolfe at least do an do-release-upgrade -c this will at least not hammer the servers so much

but when it's out, it needs to like, actually, upgrade

if .... then .... and so on ;)

there

maybe rename it to politely-ask-about-release-upgrade

but then i need to do status things and ugh i'm lazy

@KazWolfe false; while (($? != 0)); … to stop once successfull

i would call the script: are-we-there-yet

@dessert that would work, but that's not bash.

oops now @fabby is going to report me

(note the python)

@KazWolfe oh, of course, sorry, it's a bit late :)

that does remind me though. i need to check how to get status codes

:D

@Videonauth Go sleep! (or at least: lemme sleep)

OK, I'm outta here!

sleep well :)

I might go as well soon

@Fabby até logo!

@KazWolfe pythonadventures.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/… ?

not quite

kazwolfe@firewolf ~ $ c = !(sudo do-release-upgrade -c)
Checking for a new Ubuntu release
No new release found.
kazwolfe@firewolf ~ $
kazwolfe@firewolf ~ $ c.returncode
1

This blog post has been closed as a duplicate of A Day in the Penalty Box.

i would write a better script but lazy

@KazWolfe Me too.

ubuntu.com/download/desktop

18.04 is now published

Ubuntu Bionic Beaver 18.04 LTS has been released, as of about 23:00 UTC on April 26, 2018. | Related Links: Meta post/announcement, ubuntu-announce mailing list announcement

everyone go star that.

because 18.04 is no longer offtopic.

script still says "nope"

@KazWolfe the script can be ignored.

but i want my upgrade

@KazWolfe do-release-upgrade -d IIRC the d-r-u script doesn't get it until .1 release, but don't quote me on that.

but why

ask the release team. evil grin

did 18.04 change the ubuntu font?