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craftxbox

18:23

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Rinzwind

oy

craftxbox

iy

Anwar

eu\

craftxbox

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Rinzwind

18:36

no

Android Dev

@NathanOsman But on his bio it says he is for the general room

Nathan Osman

@AndroidDev Hmm... good point, I should probably fix that.

Android Dev

Just sayin'

:)

craftxbox

19:05

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Android Dev

@Rinzwind Can you tell me what this comment was? The post is now deleted :/ askubuntu.com/posts/comments/1434963?noredirect=1

Congrats to Sumeet Deshmukh for breaking 2k today!

craftxbox

apparently there was a windows binary for gparted once?

Rinzwind

@AndroidDev link to megasoftware.net/webhelp/walk_through_mega/…

Android Dev

@Rinzwind rly?

Rinzwind

yeah

Android Dev

19:12

But I have the first part of the comment in my inbox, and it's not that.

craftxbox

?

Android Dev

Rinzwind

@AndroidDev there are 2 comments from him

Android Dev

@Rinzwind --^

Rinzwind

@AndroidDev yes and there is a link at the end of that ;=)

c/p: Okay this is interesting. Apparently they were being recognized as audio/visual files based on the file extension but were actually this .mts file megasoftware.net/webhelp/walk_through_mega/…

Android Dev

19:15

Uhm, okay then...

@craftxbox source?

craftxbox

cba to compile rn

Android Dev

?

craftxbox

oh

it said it on the gparted website afaik

idk it said it somewhere i saw

eh

cant find a damn part manager

Android Dev

@craftxbox Windows has one built in!

craftxbox

tell me how to fix "querying for shrink space" lol

Android Dev

19:21

You have to wait a bit

Sometimes it takes as much as half an hour

craftxbox

ive let it wait overnight with no avail

Android Dev

Was there disk activity?

Rinzwind

@craftxbox that can take long depending on how full the partition is.

craftxbox

no idea

eh

Android Dev

Which version of Windows?

craftxbox

19:22

7

Android Dev

@craftxbox Not that I would trust any random freeware program, but techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/…

craftxbox

tried two, 0/2 worked

Android Dev

How full is your disk?

craftxbox

88 out of 467

left

Android Dev

Ah!

Okay then!

I bet I know what the issue is

>>When was the last time you defragged?<<

craftxbox

19:26

yeah no not waiting for that to complete lol

is it true that extx doesnt need defragging?

Android Dev

You can't shrink the partition if the data is fragmented!!!

That's probably what was taking so long

It was probably defragging in the background

@craftxbox Yes and no

To an extent

@craftxbox OK, do me a favor and just use the analyze button to figure out how badly it's fragmented. That won't take too long

craftxbox

prntscr.com/f45ud8

Rinzwind

@craftxbox yes with a couple of comments: defragging on linux only occurs when a partition is 95+% full. If you then clean up your system and a defragged file is actually moved it will undefrag it.

But the biggest thing: defragging ext does not speed things up.

craftxbox

so there is no REAL reason to defrag ext?

Rinzwind

nope

craftxbox

19:29

if only windows supported ext

Android Dev

@craftxbox If you need to shrink a partition, then yes

Rinzwind

the automated file system check during boot is more important

Android Dev

@craftxbox So how badly is it fragmented?

craftxbox

only 58%

analyzed that is

Android Dev

Right

Well I've never run a defrag on this Windows install, and it's already at 14% even though it was only installed in January!

Rinzwind

19:31

windows!
The biggest defrag on Linux I have seen was 2.1%

craftxbox

how does ntfs get fragmented?

like, so quickly

Android Dev

Because EXT4 puts space in between the files and NTFS doesn't

Byte Commander

and ext starts in the middle of the partition, ntfs at the beginning

Rinzwind

@craftxbox ext has overhead implemented when dealing with files

Android Dev

So if a file expands on NTFS, it automatically gets fragmented.

Rinzwind

19:32

@ByteCommander and this

craftxbox

i guess due to microproprietarysoft?

ah

i see

Android Dev

But if you have space in between like EXT4, a file can expand by a certain amount before it starts getting fragmented

Rinzwind

oh you can also format with fdisk. If you do that all bets are off ;-)

Android Dev

@Rinzwind fdisk is DOS, no? I think you mean diskpart

Rinzwind

no

rinzwind@schijfwereld:~$ fdisk

Usage:
fdisk [options] <disk> change partition table
fdisk [options] -l [<disk>] list partition table(s)

Display or manipulate a disk partition table.

craftxbox

19:35

were dealing with windows rn not the ubuntu part yet

Android Dev

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\AndroidDev>fdisk
'fdisk' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

Rinzwind

we only do ubuntu >:-D

Android Dev

@Rinzwind --^

craftxbox

you can read up on my issue here: askubuntu.com/questions/911586/…

Byte Commander

huh? I could swear I used fdisk on windows some time...

Rinzwind

19:36

@AndroidDev so? how about it not being in your PATH? >:)

Byte Commander

maybe it was a very old windows...

craftxbox

jesus defraggler is quick on analyze

15%

Android Dev

@ByteCommander Like I said, I think there's only diskpart now

Byte Commander

@craftxbox it's by Piriform, not by Jesus...

Android Dev

@craftxbox Yeah so it needs it

Byte Commander

19:37

;-)

craftxbox

lol "defraggler by jesus"

that needs to be starred XD

Byte Commander

favourite miracle: Windows to Wine

craftxbox

windows to wine?

Byte Commander

~~water~~

Android Dev

Byte Commander

19:39

also, WINE is an emulator for Windows programs on Linux

Android Dev

@craftxbox That's a visual of fragmentation --^

craftxbox

i see

Android Dev

And then subsequent defragmentation

craftxbox

defragging it now, using jesus's defraggler

Android Dev

@craftxbox If you're bored you could read this.

28 pages on how NTFS works :D

craftxbox

19:42

lol

is it possible to use ext4 for windows instead of ntfs?

Android Dev

Nope

craftxbox

i know there are third parties that allow accessing ext partitions

but its sad we cant use ext for windows

Android Dev

@craftxbox Next time you're on Ubuntu you should run man bash, it's 50+ pages!

craftxbox

eeeh im good

ill stick to my cat books XD

737 hours

wow

Android Dev

For what?

To defrag?

craftxbox

19:48

9 Power-On Hours (POH) 737d 23h 80 80 0 0x00000000452F

err

thats 737 DAYS not hours

Android Dev

Wait what?

craftxbox

yes lol

Android Dev

What are we talking about?

craftxbox

power on hours

Android Dev

What's been on for 737 days?

Your server?

craftxbox

19:49

not straight

in total

yes

Android Dev

Ah

craftxbox

that is a lot

tho

thats what, over 2 years?

Android Dev

Some servers have 15+ years

craftxbox

i know lol

Android Dev

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/…

craftxbox

19:51

oh wow

thats even STRAIGHT too

Android Dev

Yup

craftxbox

so apparently iwndows thinks that the disk is 0 percent fragmented

TheWanderer

I think I need to buy more RAM for my laptop...

craftxbox

dont hit the max

its usually low for lappys

like ~8 gig

maybe 4

idk

TheWanderer

my laptop's max is at least 16

craftxbox

19:56

that should be fine

does your laptop have a bga cpu or a l/pga cpu?

TheWanderer

uh

I'm just seeing names for old graphics standards

craftxbox

ga = grid aray

TheWanderer

and b l/p?

craftxbox

b = ball, l = land, p = pin

is it safe to shrink a fragmented part?

TheWanderer

I honestly don't know which since I've never taken the CPU out

craftxbox

19:58

prolly bga

aka soldered on

TheWanderer

no I don't think it's soldered

craftxbox

thats good

TheWanderer

I'm pretty sure it has a frame

craftxbox

amd or intel

whats the lap?

TheWanderer

i7

MSI GP60-2QF

pretty generic

but that means I can take it apart pretty easily

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