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@NathanOsman I don't like pain killers. Pain means there's something wrong, I never understood why masking it made things better. There are times and places, of course, but most often I don't want the pain to go away unless I solve the problem. I dunno, maybe that's just me.

Nathan Osman

@Seth Pretty much my philosophy too. I can count on two hands the number of Tylenols I've taken in my life.

For example, I ended up taking one when I came down with a stomach infection and was close to 24 hours without sleep.

Seth

@NathanOsman yup. Last one I took was because I was late for an important meeting and had a terrible headache that wouldn't go away. Before that I hadn't taken one in 3-4 years though.

Nathan Osman

It relieved the pain long enough for my body to get some rest so it could fight on its own.

Kaz Wolfe

12:13 AM

github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

oh god.

Seth

@NathanOsman ugh, yes. Those are appropriate times. Sleep is necessary for healing.

@KazWolfe >.>

Nathan Osman

@Seth It's kinda like unit tests - if one fails, you don't mask the unit test, you fix the bug :P

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman You haven't seen some of the code my company has.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe What the heck? FizzBuzzOutputStrategyFactory.java, FizzBuzzSolutionStrategyFactory.java, etc.

That isn't going to make anyone like Java...

You could do that with any language, but for some reason, it seems more believable in Java.

Seth

@NathanOsman exactly! haha

Kaz Wolfe

12:16 AM

Java EE.

Seth

(Volkswagen, anyone?)

Nathan Osman

LoopContextStateManipulation.java

/facepalm

Kaz Wolfe

I should learn Go.

Nathan Osman

You should.

Kaz Wolfe

And then do this in Go, just to scare Nathan into oblivion.

Nathan Osman

12:18 AM

Then you can rewrite WolfBot to use go-sechat.

:D

Kaz Wolfe

Bonus points: After making FizzBuzzEE-Go, abandon Go altogether saying it's "too bulky" and "not as elegant as .NET" and "is too complicated for simple things". And go back to Java.

Nathan Osman

Bonus points: the issue tracker.

github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition/…

> "Need Docker somewhere in the project"

> "website no worky"

> "Please add dashboards to monitor execution status"

> "BS6008 / ISO3103 compliance?"

> "Implements Oauth2 with Spring Security to share the output on Facebook"

> "how about making it Apache FizzBuzz?"

> "All contributors need to sign NDA"

> "Doesn't Prove P=NP or Solve the Halting Problem"

> "README should be in .doc or .docx format"

Zacharee1

so I haven't opened my laptop since 10:40AM yesterday

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Pls. TeX

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition/…

Kaz Wolfe

12:32 AM

*grr*

Seth

do we have a question about wubi's obsolescence? I can't find it.

Zacharee1

why does Java have constructors and why can I use two in one class?

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 OOP, constructors allow you to create an instance of an object.

Nathan Osman

Oh good grief.

Kaz Wolfe

You can use as many as you want in a single class, depending on what variables you want/need to define.

Zacharee1

12:32 AM

but they're so weird

Seth

...

Zacharee1

... yourself

@Seth so I guess you're feeling better?

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 They're just ways to pass variables into a new instance of any given Object.

Seth

@Zacharee1 actually yes.

Zacharee1

it's still weird

@Seth that's good

Seth

12:34 AM

yes

Zacharee1

is there a shortcut in Chrome to open the bookmarks page?

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 The design paradigm is shifting to make classes have no public constructors, but to instead have a static get() method to create things (or otherwise get singletons, etc).

Zacharee1

wat

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Ctrl+Shift+O

Zacharee1

thx

Kaz Wolfe

12:35 AM

@Zacharee1 So instead of doing new SomeClass(someVariable), you do someClass.get(someVariable).

Zacharee1

oh

weirder

Kaz Wolfe

Makes more sense when dealing with singletons and the like

Instead of calling the constructor, you invoke get() which may get an existing instance of a singleton.

Zacharee1

Java is just weird

Kaz Wolfe

The constructor, though, is just an artifact of OOP to construct an Object to use.

Zacharee1

Can I go back to Arduino?

Kaz Wolfe

12:36 AM

C++ has constructors, too.

Zacharee1

yes but the rest of it isn't so weird

except for that cin and cout thing

but I don't have to use those in Arduino

Kaz Wolfe

That's only stdlib

Zacharee1

Serial.println all the way

Kaz Wolfe

You can still use printf in C++

Nathan Osman

Most OOP languages have constructors of some form.

Seth

12:38 AM

that ^

Kaz Wolfe

It's part of stdio

Zacharee1

@AskUbuntuMeta wtf

@KazWolfe I was told not to use that

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 You've never seen a turnip before?

Zacharee1

why is AU Meta saying that

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 It's fine as long as you use it correctly.

Seth

12:38 AM

@NathanOsman just not one that talks.

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Because... it's a turnip?

Kaz Wolfe

stdio is just fine.

Zacharee1

wat

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 I guess it gained sentience, although it picked a rather boring vegetable to assume.

Kaz Wolfe

Fun fact: Arduino C has constructors too.

Nathan Osman

12:39 AM

Note: Go doesn't have constructors. Go also does not have classes, per se.

Seth

@NathanOsman go is not object orientated.

Zacharee1

can someone be serious and tell me

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Tell you what?

Seth

but it's really weird because it allows for a lot of object orientated like constructs.

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Mods can edit anyone's messages.

Zacharee1

12:40 AM

why AU Meta said it was a turnip

it's edited?

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe GAH. Thanks alot.

Zacharee1

thanks for someone being serious

Seth

@Zacharee1 It has self image issues.

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 yes, it has the pencil next to it.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe missed it

Kaz Wolfe

12:40 AM

@NathanOsman You're welcome. ^~^

Nathan Osman

You spoil the fun around here :P

Kaz Wolfe

I prefer the term "implement alternative fun"

Seth

anyone remember hammertime? xD

Nathan Osman

Yes.

That is always worth a laugh.

Journeyman Geek

@NathanOsman its a official unofficial chatbot easteregg

Kaz Wolfe

12:43 AM

Specifically, @Zacharee1, @NathanOsman made AU Meta into a turnip.

Zacharee1

wat

Kaz Wolfe

Apparently because AU Meta posted a link to his question shortly after he posted it himself.

Nathan Osman

Well, it had to be something.

Why not a turnip?

Kaz Wolfe

Because it could have been a normal deletion.

(or you could have just waited :P)

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe The entire cat is now out of the bag.

Kaz Wolfe

12:44 AM

@NathanOsman Actually, no. The cat left some hair behind.

Seth

@KazWolfe And now I am sneezing.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth Blame @NathanOsman for letting a cat into the chat room.

Nathan Osman

Checks to see if he has any sockpuppets that are cats...

Zacharee1

christ

Nathan Osman

Nope, I got nothing.

Kaz Wolfe

12:45 AM

@Zacharee1 Yes?

false god much

@Zacharee1 Yes.

Needs moar Java.

On that note, employment contracts say that "any code written while an employee of <COMPANY> is <COMPANY>'s property"

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman ew

Nathan Osman

12:47 AM

@Zacharee1 You know what? You're right. "Ew" is indeed the correct response to that.

Therefore, what it really needs is moar Perl.

Zacharee1

ewe

Kaz Wolfe

Meaning, any code that I contribute to, say, the Linux kernel, belongs to my company.

Nathan Osman

Pronounciation not found.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe hue

@NathanOsman u

Nathan Osman

English are hard.

Kaz Wolfe

12:50 AM

Yeah, it's annoying because my company machine beats the hell out of any computer I personally own.

Nathan Osman

Water-cooled?

Kaz Wolfe

No, just a really nice laptop.

Nathan Osman

Then water-cool your home PCs :P

Problem solved.

You're welcome.

Kaz Wolfe

Nope.

Nathan Osman

Fine then. You're not welcome.

Kaz Wolfe

12:52 AM

Water-cooling doesn't turn a GT740M ingot a GTX970

Nathan Osman

If it springs a leak, it might turn a GT740 into a RAGE II.

...or something even more primitive :D

Kaz Wolfe

Or a low-level crappy i3 into a i7-6700

Nathan Osman

i7? pl3b

You clearly need a Xeon.

In fact, two Xeons would be better

Kaz Wolfe

I have an i3.

Nathan Osman

Don't set your sights on the moon, reach for teh stars!

Kaz Wolfe

12:56 AM

I'd like something with more than 6 GB of RAM.

Nathan Osman

Okay, I think I'm done trolling for the day. Takes of troll hat.

The i5 in my Mac Mini is quite powerful.

That might make a nice intermediate step.

Kaz Wolfe

And the i3 in my best home machine is pretty pathetic.

Seth

I imagine. I can tell the difference between and i5 and an i7 (3rd and 4th gen, respectively, if it matters). I can't imagine what an i3 must be like.

Kaz Wolfe

so it's pretty annoying that I can't use my nice work-owned computer for personal stuff (under fear that they'll own it, any derivative works, and any parent works that I also wrote/made/licensed/etc).

@Seth i3 3rd gen, i7 6th gen.

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe so.. build a better PC ;p

Kaz Wolfe

1:00 AM

@JourneymanGeek wanna pay?

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe shrug I saved over a year to build my current PC's original version

Kaz Wolfe

Plus, 5400rpm vs SSD (nvme on m.2) makes a pretty big difference.

still, just annoying...

Journeyman Geek

eh. any SSD >>>>>>>> slow spinny rust

hell, my core 2 machines have a cheap SSD on em

@KazWolfe I started with a core 2 duo I picked up from a dumpster and fixed up. Swapped parts out over a year or so, then did a second round of updates a year later.

Nathan Osman

I threw an SSD (Samsung EVO 850) in my Mac Mini (replacing a 5400rpm drive) and the difference is night and day.

I can run Win2012 in a VM with no noticeable delay - and this is with 4 GB of RAM total in the PC.

Journeyman Geek

I threw in a 120 gb king dian (MLC/"cacheless") into a old R61 ;p

terdon

1:04 AM

Yeah, I just (finally) received my new laptop and it's the first time I've had a system with an SDD. The speed is ridiculous.

Nathan Osman

O_o

Journeyman Geek

My first ssd was a 830 I got for free.

I was like "whoa. I am never going back to spinning rust system drives"

Kaz Wolfe

alternate idea is try to get them to transfer ownership of this machine to me (through ways), making it mine. then, legally nothing applies as long as I don't do work on company property.

Nathan Osman

I've got an Intel SSD in this machine that I got in... 2011 or so?

Still works like a charm.

terdon

I've been lugging my >5-year-old Dell around and that had an HDD. Last time I bought a machine before that, the prices were still very high for too little space. This time around I could get 500G on an SDD and went for it!

Nathan Osman

1:06 AM

I always got nervous with laptops that had spinning drives since they were susceptible to motion.

terdon

Damn. Make that 7-year-old, more or less. I think I bought it in 2010. And it still works!

Nathan Osman

Hey, my current laptop is 2011.

It's still competitive.

(i5, 8 GB of RAM, SSD, etc.)

terdon

$ inxi -v1
System:    Host: tpad Kernel: 4.9.8-1-ARCH x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.2.8  Distro: Arch Linux
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-6820HQ (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 799/3600 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel HD Graphics 530
           Card-2: NVIDIA GM108M [GeForce 940MX]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.1 driver: N/A
           Resolution: 2048x1152@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.4

I'm still trying to get used to the idea that I have 8 cores and 32G of RAM on a laptop.

Nathan Osman

32 GB?

That's overkill. Unless you run a database server on there.

terdon

$ free -g
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:             31           9           6           1          15          20
Swap:            14           0          14

Seth

1:08 AM

@terdon 8 cores or 4+hyper threading?

terdon

@Seth 4+hyper

Nathan Osman

@Seth Quad-core + HT.

Journeyman Geek

My main rig is from 2012? cripes where has the time gone.

Nathan Osman

I have had a fairly decent amount of success selling my old equipment to other family members at a reduced price.

Seth

this machine I'm using now is ~2012. My other laptop is ~2013 iirc.

Journeyman Geek

1:10 AM

but last gen video card

Seth

@NathanOsman I generally use mine until it breaks :/

terdon

@NathanOsman 1) That's what I always used to say and yet whenever anyone bought ridiculous amounts of ram, they ended up using them eventually. 2) I do actually need to run very memory intensive stuff for work (align 80GB of sequence reads against a 3GB genome).

Journeyman Geek

can't really find anything else that NEEDs upgrading.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth i tend to get stuff used, so it's already broken when I get it :/

Journeyman Geek

16gb is enough for my use (this thing will take 32) processor power's fine

Nathan Osman

1:10 AM

@terdon Fair enough. I found that my habits soon adapted once I upgraded to 16 GB.

Seth

@KazWolfe I get a lot of used stuff too, but I generally buy it when it's (mostly) working.

Journeyman Geek

Unless I can get a card that lets me turn up everything to 11 at 4k, the 980TI is great

Nathan Osman

@JourneymanGeek Mine will take 32 GB as well but there are only two slots so I'd have to get super-expensive 16 GB DIMMs.

terdon

@NathanOsman And believe me, after a few years of having to use Tab Suspender to make chrome usable and swapping like crazy on the slightest provocation, I like not caring what I have open!

Journeyman Geek

@NathanOsman mine has 4, DDR3

Seth

1:12 AM

@NathanOsman this is the most annoying thing about RAM. My first laptop was a beast with 4 slots, but most laptops only have 2 so upgrades are super pricey.

Nathan Osman

But this is a desktop :P

Seth

@terdon now throw an m.2 ssd in :P

btw, where did you get your laptop?

@NathanOsman oh >.<

terdon

I bought it from Lenovo. I wanted to customize it.

Nathan Osman

It's an ASUS F2A55-M LE.

Seth

Ahh, should have known. Lenovo makes good machines.

Nathan Osman

1:13 AM

Came out about the same time as Windows 8.

Journeyman Geek

Lenovo's thinkpads are mostly decent

their consumer stuff is supposedly crap

Seth

@JourneymanGeek I can attest to this.

Journeyman Geek

Well

my latest laptop isn't a thinkpad

Seth

Maybe not outright crap, but the quality goes down fast.

(I have a thinkpad and a consumer g510)

terdon

@Seth Yes. It's this thing: shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t460p

Well, a pimped up version of that, anyway.

Seth

1:15 AM

@terdon How's that touchpad?

Looks annoying.

Nathan Osman

The built-in audio technically supports 5.1 output but in practice it doesn't work very well.

terdon

I haven't really used it much yet to tell you the truth.

Seth

I know Lenovo tried to use those pads where the whole thing is a button and depresses. Awful.

Nathan Osman

I'm thinking of getting an external soundcard.

terdon

@Seth Yes. It's one of those. You also get to tap though. Whatever, I very rarely use touchpads, if I don't have a mouse I use the rubber thingie.

Journeyman Geek

1:16 AM

I didn't mind those

terdon

On the other hand, two finger scrolling works out of the box which isn't bad.

Journeyman Geek

I never use em

Seth

@terdon eww. but does the entire pad go down whenever you press or are there like ~16 smaller buttons underneath that the pad just overlays? HP does the latter. I know lenovo did the former at one point, but I thought they stopped.

terdon

On my previous thinkpad I always used that (when mouseless). This one's trackpad seems way better though.

@Seth It's one solid block. When clicking on the bottom 2/3ds or so, the whole thing depresses.

Hmm. The two finger scrolling is kinda iffy, actually. Although that might be a driver issue. Works, lags, works, lags.

Journeyman Geek

the whole pad goes down on my x220

(lenovo ruined their keyboards after that)

terdon

1:21 AM

Oh wow, no, the trackpad seems to be lagging a lot. Well, not lagging, it just doesn't seem to register all motions. I guess I'll have to try different drivers.

Seth

@JourneymanGeek they're still a lot better than competitor's offerings.

@terdon that sounds horrible..

terdon

@Seth I guess. I've really never been a fan of trackpads. I'll admit the mac ones are pretty good but I've always much preferred to carry a mouse around and, if not, all of my last 3 laptops had a trackpoint.

So I don't have much of an opinion or preference when it comes to trackpads.

Journeyman Geek

lol. My current laptop's the first one sans trackpoint.

(I traded off having the best keyboard on any small laptop and being able to upgrade the laptop myself, for half the weight, and a higher res IGZO screen)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

IGZO?

terdon

IGZOMYGOD IT'S SO BRIGHT!

Journeyman Geek

1:29 AM

sharp-world.com/igzo

terdon

Oh, that one.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Indium gallium zinc oxide (IGZO) is a semiconducting material, consisting of indium (In), gallium (Ga), zinc (Zn) and oxygen (O). IGZO thin-film transistor (TFT) is used in the TFT backplane of flat-panel displays (FPDs).

terdon

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all.

Journeyman Geek

overclock.net/t/1449080/…

Its a little more power efficient, and apparently as good as IPS

Zacharee1

2:06 AM

lol Gadgetraid says the Note 4 will probably get Nougat gadgetraid.com/2016/08/android-nougat-update

right

that'll definitely happen

did everyone catch the plague and die?

@anyone in Discord, go check AUGR there

@Zanna check Discord. Decided to make a whole new server

Seth

2:40 AM

6

RobotHumans

@Seth Love that one

@KazWolfe the if else in the readme is in the wrong order...

john01dav

4:20 AM

I have a really weird issue.

Nathan Osman

@Seth EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

john01dav

Aplay can play sound, but, applications (ie. Firefox, Minecraft) can not.

Does anyone have some advice?

Nathan Osman

Sounds like PulseAudio is muted somehow.

aplay uses ALSA directly.

john01dav

How would I go about checking/undoing that?

(also, the various test buttons in the sound settings play sound, as do the fn keys to adjust volume)

Nathan Osman

Try running pavucontrol in a terminal to launch the PulseAudio control panel.

john01dav

4:22 AM

It isn't installed. Should I install it?

Nathan Osman

Sure.

john01dav

(I am running 16.10)

Nathan Osman

I'm trying to remember all of the troubleshooting steps for "no audio".

One of the other things to check is make sure you are in the audio group.

john01dav

It was working before, and I haven't changed anything regarding groups.

Nathan Osman

You can do that by typing groups in a terminal and checking for the word "audio"

@john01dav Hmm... okay. Scratch that one then.

pavucontrol might show us some helpful information.

john01dav

4:23 AM

Pavucontrol fixed it

thanks

"System Sounds" was set to 0% somehow

Nathan Osman

Oh, cool.

Glad you got it working.

john01dav

Any idea how that could have happened? I am quite curious.

Nathan Osman

Sound on Linux is sometimes a bit... er, buggy.

Most of the time it works, but every so often something inexplicable can happen.

john01dav

Well, this is the first issue I have ever had with it. I have been using Linux almost exclusively for like 5 years....

I am hoping there is something underlying to fix, but, if not I guess its working so that's good.

Well, thanks for the help :)

Nathan Osman

5:14 AM

Heh.

Someone just tried a pairing request against my phone.

Seth

@NathanOsman y u no leave bluetooth off when u not using it?

Nathan Osman

I am using it.

I stream audio to my PC via A2DP.

muru

5:29 AM

Anybody wants to help me out with this guy?

libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x00007f84ec2e2000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00007f84ec0cc000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f84ebd03000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f84ebafe000) libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f84eb8ab000) libglib-2.0.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f84eb59a000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0x00007f84eb25f000) libz.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x00007f84eb045000) — mdbtaa 1 min ago

Nathan Osman

O_O

muru

Ah, well, I'll just delete my comments.

Nathan Osman

That's... not what comments are for.

muru

He's not using the @ anymore, so hopefully I won't be notified again.

Yep, success.

Nathan Osman

"Comments are not for extended discussion."

That's not really extended discussion, but still...

muru

5:38 AM

Another use case for meta.stackexchange.com/questions/290448/…

Journeyman Geek

6:22 AM

@muru I would totally flag that

muru

@JourneymanGeek flag for?

Journeyman Geek

custom flag, explain its too chatty and he's dumpling logs

;p

You're a mod. This is the very definition of an exception, and we're all human exception handlers ;p

(other than the ones that are dogs)

muru

By the time a mod gets around to handle it, there'd be not much point.

I'm hoping some other user will come along, see the horror and decide to help

For example, @Zanna here

Journeyman Geek

@muru help how?

and what's the point of mods then? p

muru

Teach them to edit, maybe even edit the post itself

Journeyman Geek

6:33 AM

eh. PLEASE don't dump a load of logs in small chunks in comments, ever. Its unreadable, impolite (cause it pings the users who have chatted) and isn't the way we do things. And its literally more work than editing the original post, so there's no good reason to do so. — Journeyman Geek 39 secs ago

See? Done.

Jacob Vlijm

Don't you think this is just vandalism? Little chance he or she would listen to request to stop.

Nathan Osman

Seems like a really lazy user that won't read the instructions.

Jacob Vlijm

Ah, wait, sorry, didn't see it was OP himself. Small phone screen...

Zanna

6:55 AM

Oops, sorry @muru , was editing some rubbish on mobile, didn't see the ping... I'll see if I can edit it at all

muru

@JourneymanGeek that's the thing - what's the benefit in flagging? As you note, the user probably won't read instructions. By the time a mod comes along, I have already got the pings, so I'm already annoyed anyway.

Zanna

tooooo many libraries...

Nathan Osman

Woohoo! Plugin system for NitroShare confirmed to work!

Just managed to get two plugins to talk to each other.

Next step: write an mDNS implementation in Qt.

Zanna

7:11 AM

Awesome

Zanna

9:49 AM

@NathanOsman @KazWolfe just saw your names pop up in my email (following enterprise quality FizzBuzz thing on GitHub)

Zanna

10:11 AM

Look legit? On mobile, hard to check it askubuntu.com/questions/690419/…

terdon

@Zanna Nope, spam. Cheers

Zanna

Thank you :)

I guess it should be obvious to me

michaelr524

Hi

cl-netbox

Hello everybody ! :)

michaelr524

I did something stupid and I think that it uninstalled most of my system

gist: hmmm, 2017-02-15 10:24:07Z

gistfile1.txt

Didn't reboot yet

And wondering if there is anything that I can do to reverse this?

Ask Ubuntu Meta

10:25 AM

0

Q: How to ask for re-open after edit with low rep?

On other sites I was able to edit a question and then ask for re-open. I'm not seeing the option. I've edited the following question and I feel others may be wondering the same thing: Do I need ubuntu-desktop if I'm using i3?