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terdon

8:07 PM

@user1770201 The package doesn't exist for xenial: packages.ubuntu.com/…

TheWanderer

8:23 PM

Why is the only way to upgrade without stalling to boot in low graphics mode?

dessert

Why doesn't man ffmpeg explain the -b:a or -ab option? This manpage doesn't seem to show anything about bitrate settings at all… oO

avconv --help at least lists it, under “Video options”… duh

TheWanderer

Apparently a system reboot is needed to finish upgrading to 18.04

Thanks for telling me, kde

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TheWanderer

well so far 18.04 is more stable

Nathan Osman

Meh. I jumped ship for Arch.

TheWanderer

too much work

I say as I spend 2 hours getting Ubuntu to run

dessert

@TheWanderer the unfinished development version of Ubuntu, mind you

TheWanderer

18.04 is fine so far

17.10 was the mess

dessert

8:48 PM

isn't 18.04 still essentially the same as 17.10?

TheWanderer

apparently not

and IIRC 18.04 is supposed to bring mir or something

right @NathanOsman?

or wrong?

Nathan Osman

Mir is dead.

TheWanderer

wat

wai

Nathan Osman

It died with Ubuntu Touch.

They had to divert resources.

Long live Wayland.

Boss: let Dave know we're running late to lunch. Me: okay. *can't remember if I am connected to Dave via SMS, Slack, Skype, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Telegram, or Google Hangouts* Me: I'll send him an email.

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TheWanderer

as long as Wayland is replacing X and it works better

Nathan Osman

8:50 PM

Oh darn.

I made a typo.

DON'T RETWEET YET. STAND BACK.

TheWanderer

god

I CAN REBOOT

Nathan Osman

There, fixed.

TheWanderer

and sleep, but it takes a while

Nathan Osman

Sleep should be nearly instantaneous.

TheWanderer

I think it's a problem with my WiFi card

the last proper look I got at the reboot log in 17.10 was a stop job on wpa_supplicant

Nathan Osman

8:53 PM

That problem is called "systemd".

TheWanderer

well gimme back whatever we had before whose name I forget for some reason

Nathan Osman

SysVinit.

TheWanderer

wat

Nathan Osman

That's what we had before systemd.

TheWanderer

UPSTART

Mateo

8:58 PM

CueCat

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Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer On Ubuntu, maybe.

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman what do you think I was talking about

Nathan Osman

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I use Arch now.

TheWanderer

well that doesn't mean everyone else does too

Nathan Osman

All the cool people do. (Source: see my glasses.)

TheWanderer

8:59 PM

>_>

Nathan Osman

Upstart was alright I guess.

I mean - it never tried to kill me.

terdon

@TheWanderer But very few systems ever used upstart apart from Ubuntu. The standard before systemd was indeed SysVinit.

TheWanderer

well I was talking about Ubuntu

because I used Ubuntu

Nathan Osman

Regardless. You're stuck with systemd.

As am I - at least from an official standpoint.

I'm not brave enough to try BSD and Devuan looks cool but meh.

dessert

Why not Fedora?

TheWanderer

9:01 PM

oh new System Settings

less System Preferences-y

Nathan Osman

@dessert They are funding systemd development :P

Or more specifically, Red Hat is.

Seth

@NathanOsman D:

dessert

@NathanOsman I didn't follow, why exactly is systemd bad?

TheWanderer

it does too much or something like that

also the commands are so much more convoluted than Upstart's

Nathan Osman

@dessert Part of the systemd hate is humor but I really do dislike it with a passion

It is notoriously unreliable at times.

It is incredibly bloated.

And binary logfiles. I mean. What even?

TheWanderer

9:03 PM

think TouchWiz?

Nathan Osman

Sure.

TheWanderer

is SystemD TouchWiz?

Iluminatti confirmed?

Nathan Osman

I dunno. Is TouchWiz even that bad in comparison?

TheWanderer

uh yes

we could use LGUX if you want though

sloppy coding, slow performance, bad additions, bloated, inconsistent UX

Jesus, the CGI in The Flash is just terrible

ooh automatic bug report info gathering in 18.04

and it even opens a new bug on Launchpad for you

Seth

@NathanOsman Canonical is continuing Mir development, actually.

Nathan Osman

9:07 PM

Oh?

I did not know this.

What on earth is the point?

Seth

something about their IoT projects using it

TheWanderer

kek

Nathan Osman

I'm not holding my breath. We barely have working X drivers with 3D acceleration for most cards.

I'm still waiting for AUR to update its amdgpu-pro package.

I still don't have OpenCL acceleration.

I might just have to break down and buy Nvidia next time :|

TheWanderer

9:23 PM

join the dark side

no BTC but you can actually use it in Ubuntu

Nathan Osman

Yeah, CUDA support is light-years ahead.

I'm trying to decide between a used Xeon and a new Ryzen for my next build :P

I mean this looks pretty tempting: ebay.ca/itm/…

TheWanderer

hey KDE isn't freezing every time I open Chrome either

Mateo

@NathanOsman they are still working on it

dessert

[in python 3.6] A loop append()s to a list, now how do I initialize the list without assigning something to it?

Seth

list = []

dessert

9:37 PM

@Seth Oh, so simple… That's a beautiful language. Thanks!

Seth

@dessert np! :)

TheWanderer

oops

what sort of city would be in the middle of a forest?

Mateo

@NathanOsman anyway, sabdfl was saying they still invest in mir because of the usage of it in the iot projects

Nathan Osman

Good to know.

Mateo

ah, here is a recent article techradar.com/news/ubuntu-in-transition

> “Mir still exists, the display server still exists and is in development and that’s especially interesting to IoT device manufacturers, but for the time-being we’re using Wayland on the desktop now.”

1 hour later…

TheWanderer

10:59 PM

well so far I'm super happy with 18.04

IanC

whats new about it?

user136984

Ooh! I just noticed that my AU impact has reached 3 Million! :D

Seth

Congrats :D

user136984

Thanks! :)

Android Dev

11:15 PM

@NathanOsman would you be interested, at some point when we have time, rewriting and finishing Chat Exchange with all the stuff we learned from the first go?

Nathan Osman

11:43 PM

Possibly.

Never did figure out what happened to those cookies.

If we do rewrite it, I'm definitely making the chat network code into a separate package.

It will be easier to write and test that way.