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There is going to be the first point release of 16.04 this coming Thursday, but what exactly does that mean for us already running 16.04? Will it just be like a regular update which takes us there or does anything special need to be done?

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

ban me!

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda it's just a package upgrade

edwinksl

pretty sure it is just a regular update

Zacharee1

Like every .x release

CodeX

9:12 PM

@Serg hmm I wont worry .. I am just here for few days .. you will be spending your life with him .. you should worry

Zacharee1

agh

Serg

Good grief, no !

edwinksl

but i am proposed-master-race xD

Zacharee1

wut

Serg

@edwinksl how those proposed updates are working out for ya ?

CodeX

9:14 PM

PROPOSED update

how to install php cli only

Zacharee1

magic

CodeX

I don't believe in magic

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

im tired

and when im tired i'm angry

AAA

CodeX

Good to know that

Zacharee1

Magic is just people Apple-ifying normal things

edwinksl

9:16 PM

@Serg so far so good. i have yet to file bugs though since my system is stable despite being on proposed

CodeX

Apple-ifying ? we bring the best of hardware and software

Serg

To Mac or not to Mac, that is the question

user136984

When are ISIS attacks every going to end?

user136984

Do you think they'll just quieten down after a while like the IRA, or it will get bigger than that?

Serg

@ParanoidPanda when those funkers are exterminated like wild animals

Zacharee1

9:20 PM

@CodeX making stupid things like 3D Touch seem like an actual feature that's exclusive to iOS

CodeX

to end ISIS they need to send ground soldiers

user136984

They do, but currently the only person who'll probably do that will be Trump... And I'm not sure that's such a good idea...

CodeX

yeah we at apple patent everything and its always the best

user136984

Plus, even if they are destroyed there, there will still be extremists in our countries.

CodeX

it seems to be the only solution

Serg

9:21 PM

@CodeX so how do i get sweet job at Apple ?

user136984

They can never be truly defeated until they change their minds.

CodeX

by sleeping outside apple's show room everyday ..you will prove us how much you like apple ..after 10 years we will give you a job

Serg

@ParanoidPanda there have been other radical groups but none of them has done this many attacks in Europe and in the US

CodeX

they can be

though many innocent people will die during that process

I am thinking ..there should be rules on how much religious one can be

Hizqeel

Its not easy to defeat ISIS until they are stop funded by some countries

Zacharee1

9:25 PM

@CodeX perfect example of religious discrimination :P

CodeX

I dont think its funded by countries anymore ..

Hizqeel

It is :(

CodeX

as ISIS is proving threat to everyone .. though individuals would be funding

its not discrimination .. if one suffers from mental issue what do we do .. they have to be cured

Hizqeel

they have medical treatment in some middle east countries

CodeX

I dont believe that

Serg

9:28 PM

Well, they sure are funded, we just don't know by whom . . . . And covered by someone. You don't set up a training camp for ISIS in the middle of some country

CodeX

they were supported by countries .. including US .. but not anymore

no one likes such threat and instability

no government I mean

Hizqeel

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29004253

CodeX

as I said ..It could be in past but not anymore

one of countries mentioned in the report has arrested a person on charges of funding ISIS

so if the country itself is indulge .. they wont arrest people and deport

Hizqeel

How US C1 30 can drop its ammunition in ISIS territory rather than KURDS Strong hold ?

CodeX

no idea

Serg

9:33 PM

@CodeX cover themselves up ? make a show for public ?

CodeX

@Serg I dont know much about Kurds etc I never read about ISIS and the problem in that detail

user136984

Well, the vote has happened in the UK now for renewing Trident and they are going to do it... Not much help against ISIS though, more likely that ISIS get hold of the nukes...

Hizqeel

Its good to hear that Iraq's soldier with Hezbullah Fighters are defeating them and 90% of Iraq is cleared but that's not the issue i dont know why intelligence agencies are not cooperating with each other and stopping them to make any further violence in eastern countries and USA and whole of the world

CodeX

To decrease my stress level .. I avoid watching news

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

h3llo

Serg

9:45 PM

@Hizqeel totally agree. ISIS has become a threat to everyone, so agencies should cooperate on that. I mean, if they wanted to , they could easily make a grand operation , find those funkers and smoke them

Nathan Osman

I hereby present this for all of your consideration: isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf

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Serg

@ByteCommander what's in german news regarding the axe attack ?

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman Chicken Chicken

Serg

@NathanOsman pretty much any scholarly article ever

Nathan Osman

Also, this is well worth the time to watch:

The Lego London Bank Robbery

►

I promise you won't regret it.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

9:46 PM

lego!

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Unknown runlevel on Ubuntu 14.04, services not starting on boot

I rent a VPS from a VPS company and run an Ubuntu 14.04 web server there. Recently it had to be suspended by my provider for a while. After the suspension period (1-2 days), the VPS boots, but cannot acquire any runlevels. root@vps:/# runlevel unknown This, in turn, means no Upstart services a...

Byte Commander

@Serg Axe? o.O

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

banning axe

Serg

bbc.com/news/world-europe-36827725

@ByteCommander ^

Byte Commander

reading...

Ah, I heard that on a side note in the radio news an hour ago...

In the German news they only said something about a man with "Hieb- und Stichwaffen"...

Seth

9:50 PM

@Zacharee1 Just talked to my friend on T-mo, he said his service has gotten worse lately..

Hizqeel

@Serg But things have gone toooo Far now as recently almost 1K people are missing from INDIA and almost nearly 500 people from Bangladesh where have they gone austerlia USA Europe middle east Asia every one wants to join them I DON'T KNOW WHY? :O

According to BBC its assumed and feared that many have joined ISIS

Zacharee1

where? @Seth

Seth

Washington

Byte Commander

3 people severely injured, 14 more in that train wagon who did not get injured and the attacker got shot while fleeing.

Seth

Dropped from LTE/HSPA+ to barely 3G.

Zacharee1

9:51 PM

Does he mean 3G service or LTE? @Seth

HSPA+ is not LTE

Byte Commander

That's what tagesschau.de said. @Serg

Zacharee1

T-Mobile actually phased out HSPA+ (or is phasing it out) to free up the LTE bands

Seth

@Zacharee1 I know. At his house he was getting mostly LTE, and a little HSPA+ sometimes. Now he can barely get 3G there.

His house didn't move..

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

yay for 4g lte :D

i have 4g lte

Serg

total 17 people injured . . . . no casualties @ByteCommander ?

Zacharee1

9:52 PM

@Seth technically, his house did move, but not in the way you mean :p

Seth

-.-

Byte Commander

No, the 14 did not get injured, I think. Just shocked by what happened.

Zacharee1

idk, maybe a tower got taken out for some reason?

Byte Commander

What do you mean by casualties?

Serg

casualties == dead

Zacharee1

9:53 PM

@Seth He didn't get a new phone, did he?

Byte Commander

No, so far only those 3 severely injured ones. If they make it through, there are no casualties.

(according to tagesschau.de again)

Zacharee1

ughh

I really don't feel well

I took acetaminophen and ibuprofen (safe to take together) and nada

Byte Commander

Huh, what do you suffer from?

Zacharee1

headaches

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

Game Over!

Byte Commander

9:56 PM

Be a man.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

?

Zacharee1

Can we change the chat description from "Normally: General discussion around Ask Ubuntu, Ubuntu & official Ubuntu derivatives" to "Occasionally: General discussion around Ask Ubuntu, Ubuntu & official Ubuntu derivatives"?

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user136984

Not a ham. :P

Byte Commander

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD Not you. You can stay a pencil.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:P

Byte Commander

9:58 PM

sed -i 's/Occasionally/Rarely/'

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

@Zacharee1 mind is...

1 min ago, by ƎpᴉʇʎXD

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander synonyms

Byte Commander

Isn't rarely stronger than occasionally?

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

that was another mario game

DAMMIT

Zacharee1

I don't think so @ByteCommander

Byte Commander

9:59 PM

Phh...

edwinksl

let's be honest, the only way to make AU chat great again is by talking about everything including off-topic things

user136984

@ByteCommander: It sounds so, but I don't think so...

Zacharee1

@edwinksl or we could build a wall

user136984

@edwinksl: That could be our new saying!

SmokeDetector

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Byte Commander

9:59 PM

Hmm... Shall I ask on ELL? Or ELU?

user136984

Make ~~America~~ Ask Ubuntu Chat Great Again! ;P

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Zacharee1

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edwinksl

that looked like crap on the star wall

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda there you go

~~<s></s>~~

Serg

<s>Don't cross me out</s>

huh ?

Zacharee1

10:02 PM

@edwinksl it works

~~@Serg~~

Seth

@Zacharee1 no, and he experienced this across 3 phones in the house.,

edwinksl

serg is a ~~noob~~ pro

Zacharee1

@Seth hmm. That's weird. He should call them.

They actually seem to be responsive to this sort of thing

Serg

~~@Zacharee1～～

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Bash scripting [keyboard input needed]

I'm new in Linux and I'm trying to make my first bash script to improve my work at college. Im working with a software called GROMACS and I'm trying to make a script to perfom a bunch of codes at the same time, but in one of the lines I need needs an input (number) from the keyboard. What can I ...

bash ubuntu scripting

Zacharee1

10:03 PM

no

Serg

dammit

Zacharee1

I gave you a hint with that message

edwinksl

~~@Zacharee1~~

Serg

hold on, this will take a moment

Zacharee1

~~read the edit history silly~~

Serg

10:06 PM

~~did I get it?~~

edwinksl

~~finally~~

Serg

yup . . . had to RTFM

Zacharee1

~~took you long enough~~

Hizqeel

~~opps~~

Zacharee1

Or you could've looked at the edit history on my message

that shows it unformatted

Serg

10:07 PM

I could have . . . but i needed to figure it out for myself

Zacharee1

sigh

but you didn't

you just looked it up :p

Serg

I RTFM'ed

like I should have in the first place

Zacharee1

but that's not figuring it out

Serg

Byte Commander

Can you tell me what exactly exec 3>&1 does in Bash?

Serg

10:12 PM

Redirects file descriptor 3 to the same stream as stdout

Byte Commander

Exactly my thought, but it seems to work the other way round in this answer askubuntu.com/a/799780/367990 ?

Zacharee1

@Serg exactly. You found out what the syntax is but you didn't figure it out

Serg

hold on, let me RTFM . . . .

Zacharee1

you figured out how to find out though

Serg

Ah, wait

exec

Byte Commander

10:14 PM

I would have expected that the command to do what the author wants should be the other way round...

He wants to back up the original STDOUT stream to be able to restore it later after having manipulated it.

Serg

 If command is not specified, any redi‐
              rections take effect in the current shell, and the return status
              is 0.  If there is a redirection error, the return status is 1.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

;P

Serg

man bash, section on builtins, exec

Byte Commander

Yes, I read that in help exec.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

serg is a ~~nerd~~ brainy

Byte Commander

10:15 PM

But why does that invert the redirection direction?

Zanna

haha I tested that one too, and I was like, wow this works but I don't get it!

Serg

Unix system V book to the resque !

Byte Commander

@Zanna It does not really work well though. Set it up and try e.g. lsb_release -a or apt update or man bash.

Serg

> The second major use of exec is to redirect the standard input, standard output, or standard error of a script. From inside a shell script , you can use exec to redirect the input to or output from the script

Zanna

aaaarrrrghhh!!!

Serg

10:19 PM

> After a command such as the following , all the input to a script is redirected to come from the file called infile: exec< infile

Byte Commander

So far it's clear.

Serg

Also this: tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/x17974.html

wait , paste uses tabs ???

Byte Commander

close dupe askubuntu.com/q/800239/367990

Serg

> DESCRIPTION
> Write lines consisting of the sequentially corresponding lines from
> each FILE, separated by TABs, to standard output.

apparently it does

very clever, mr. steeldriver , very clever

Byte Commander

exec 6>&1           # Link file descriptor #6 with stdout.
                    # Saves stdout.

But why does it have to be 6>&1 and not 1>&6 ??

Serg

10:26 PM

Redirect file descriptor 3 to stdout, stdout to paste command , then send stdout to file descriptor 3 , and restore it back

Basically rewire where output goes

@ByteCommander it can be any number , it just grabs first available

0,1,and 2 are standard

Byte Commander

If I type 6>&1, I would think that it redirects stream 6 and replaces stdout (stream 1) by that and not the other way round.

I know what 0, 1 and 2 are.

Just the tldp example used 6 and I copied that.

Ugh, 79 packages to update! o.O

The following packages will be upgraded:
  bamfdaemon base-files binutils compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins-default compizconfig-settings-manager
  console-setup console-setup-linux gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-libav
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-faad gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-videoparsers gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:i386 gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly

That looks like the whole Unity DE got rebuilt...

Was any special security bug discovered?

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

ubntu

user136984

Can anyone recommend me a good Linux and Mac friendly printer? Because my current one requires the installation of Windows software which doesn't work well in WINE...

Byte Commander

Do you know why we get that huge bunch of security updates now @ParanoidPanda, oh dear master of the bugs and security issues?

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

windows....

@ParanoidPanda Use ReactOS.

user136984

10:33 PM

@ByteCommander: I'm not aware of any security ones.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

ReactOS

ReactOS is an open-source operating system for x86/x64 PCs intended to be binary-compatible with computer programs and device drivers made for Windows Server 2003. Development started in 1996, as a Windows 95 clone project, which was in 1998 continued as ReactOS with the incremental addition of features of later Windows versions. ReactOS has been noted as a potential open-source drop-in replacement for Windows and for its information on undocumented Windows APIs. As stated on the official website, "The main goal of the ReactOS project is to provide an operating system which is binary compatible...

:)

user136984

There was an apache2 one today, but doesn't seem like it's in your list.

Byte Commander

I have an old HP laser printer and an old Brother ink printer, both work flawlessly.

user136984

And they don't require the installation of some strange printer software from a CD coming with the printer?

user136984

I say strange because it doesn't work very well, and is just, well, strange... :D

Byte Commander

10:34 PM

Ah, well. All of my updates came from xenial-updates, not xenial-security.

user136984

Everything is where you wouldn't expect it to be.

Byte Commander

Anyway, it's a suspiciously big load.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

if you hate windows, why not try ReactOS?

user136984

@ByteCommander: If you really want to know what an update is about, why don't you just check the changelog?

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

uses a little wine

user136984

10:35 PM

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD: Might do... Would be easier though just to find a printer that worked with my current Ubuntu installation...

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:P

Byte Commander

No, I did not need a CD. For one I had to download a CUPS driver module IIRC, but nothing too special.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

@ParanoidPanda check the website

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda tl;dr

user136984

Ok, I will. :)

Byte Commander

10:36 PM

and too many updates

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:)

what does td lr mean?

user136984

@ByteCommander: Most of them are packages for the same thing meaning that they mostly all have the same changelog.

Nathan Osman

I hate MySQL.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

?

user136984

I checked, but there didn't seem to be anything special in the upgrades, just a few bug fixes etc.

Byte Commander

10:38 PM

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD too long; didn't read

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

ok

Byte Commander

I'm not really in need to know what changed, I was just curious because of the amount of updates I got in a day.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

where is jokerdino?

Byte Commander

jurassic park?

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ƎpᴉʇʎXD

i didn't see him for ~~short~~ a very long time

Serg

10:43 PM

# Redirecting only stderr to a pipe.

exec 3>&1                              # Save current "value" of stdout.
ls -l 2>&1 >&3 3>&- | grep bad 3>&-    # Close fd 3 for 'grep' (but not 'ls').
#              ^^^^   ^^^^
exec 3>&-                              # Now close it for the remainder of the script.

# Thanks, S.C.

@ByteCommander

Nathan Osman

Oh hang on.

It was my fault.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

imagine running your favorite Windows applications and drivers in an open-source environment you can trust. That's ReactOS. Not just an Open but also a Free operating system.

Nathan Osman

Never mind. My mistake.

I don't hate MySQL.

Carry on.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:p

Nathan Osman

:P

edwinksl

10:45 PM

D:

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:P

edwinksl

^^

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

>.>

emoji wars!

user136984

Storage device writes information atom-by-atom

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

<.>

Intel atom inside

user136984

10:46 PM

Goodnight! :)

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

atoms are 0.000000000001 cm

@ParanoidPanda goodnight, and don't forget, reactos.

so isnt the cpu supposed to be a small atom?

Serg

but can you triforce guys ?

 ▲
▲ ▲

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

link of hyrule

Serg

Oh, wait . . . .this isn't 4chan . . . my bad

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

▲
▲ ▲

Serg

10:49 PM

WTF ??? , i only have 241MB left in root ?

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

root gets rooted

GROOT

Serg

I screwed up with exec

$ du -sh TESTFILE1
49G TESTFILE1

I was redirecting to that file

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

i have 3tb left on root

▲▲▲

>>>

<<<

\/

Nathan Osman

That's a lot of space.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

lol

Byte Commander

11:00 PM

@Serg That's too complex for 1:00 AM.

Serg

@ByteCommander if you want I can write Q&A about that

and you can read it tomorrow

Byte Commander

@Serg Reminds me of Mitsubishi.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:)

Byte Commander

@Serg If you want... :)

@ParanoidPanda I rather believe in data crystals.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:P

WHAI THERE IS NO ASKUBUNTU CHAT EASTER EGGS

Byte Commander

11:07 PM

Wow, all three currently displayed hot meta posts were written by me. I feel honoured...

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Serg

ByteCommander for Meta 2016

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

vote for @ByteCommander ! make askubuntu meta great again!

Byte Commander

You guys are giving away pretty many stars tonight...

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

super mario...

Byte Commander

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD Save that for the next mod elections... :)

Seth

11:11 PM

ok pls

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

sorry i'm so addicteed

Serg

11:22 PM

@NathanOsman so question : how complicated is to make deb package ?

Nathan Osman

Depends what the package is for.

If we're talking a simple Python script, it's quite easy.

Serg

yes , we're talking that

Nathan Osman

If we're talking a shared library with a bunch of dependencies, not so much.

@Serg Okay, it's pretty easy then.

You'll need changelog, compat, control, copyright, rules, and source/format at a minimum.

Some of those files consist of a single line, so it's pretty straightforward.

Serg

OK . . . What if I want to rebuild existing deb package because I changed source code of my scripto ?

Nathan Osman

Are you using debuild to generate the DEBs?

Serg

11:27 PM

I don't use anything yet

Nathan Osman

If so, you just rerun debuild. If not, you should switch to that :D

I highly recommend debuild. Super easy to use.

Byte Commander

I'd say it's time for me. Good night all.

Serg

shleep shwell

Nathan Osman

PHP be like:

> "We don't see the real need for named parameters, as they seem to violate PHP's KISS principle. It also makes for messier code."

LOL.

"messier code" - from PHP :D

That's hilarious.

Serg

11:53 PM

@Zacharee1 where's your minecraft server ? on external or internal server ?

that was brainfart

i mean, is it on your home network or somewhere outside , like digitalocean ?

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