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12:00 AM
@DavidFoerster Ironically, they seem to have the shallow argument
 
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Q: Question Template in Help Center

Zacharee1Similar to Can we create a "template question", but not exactly the same. While I do like the idea of having some sort of default "guided question" feature (where the user could switch to the traditional free-form box), it seems the community doesn't agree. Instead, what about a new page on the...

 
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Q: Permanently disable built-in bluetooth and use USB

Jeroen De MeerleerAfter 5 years my laptop is in perfect condition (still). But my built-in bluetooth is not what it used to be (thanks to the extensive use of it) and fails to load at boot pretty much. Because of extensive use I opted to buy a 10 dollar bluetooth stick which took over the job of the built-in one....

Take a look at the revisions.
 
@Zanna I assume that other countries would have something more sensible than North America's system, even if that system isn't necessarily bad
oh snap
I think we need to have a talk with Bruni
 
Flagged it for mod attention, but yeah...
We would have never caught that without WolfBot! ^~^
 
yayz
why can I VTC my questions?
 
12:03 AM
it's a SE thing. You can self-VTC
 
Why not?
 
but why
 
even before you hit 3k too...
 
Because you may realize your question is invalid after asking it.
It's happened to me before.
 
@NathanOsman oh k that explainz evritin thx
@NathanOsman but [delete]?
 
12:03 AM
I voted to close one of my own questions
 
@Zacharee1 one or more answers with positive score.
 
@Zacharee1 That only works if it doesn't have an upvoted answer.
 
ack
 
problem went away in updated package
 
Alright that makes sense
@Zanna you and the no-repro CV :p
 
12:04 AM
anyways why th am I still awake?
 
This guy's name was MichaelHiroshima askubuntu.com/users/176285/michaelhiroshima
 
@Zacharee1 haha yeah I like that one
 
changed to mickadoo after asking a question
@Zanna SLEEP NEVER COMES TO THE TECHNICALLY INCLINED
5
 
starred
:)
still, I better go give it a go
 
@Zacharee1 IT DOES IF THE HAMMER IS BLUNT ENOUGH.
2
 
12:06 AM
@NathanOsman OR THE KNIFE SHARP ENOUGH. SWEET SWEET ETERNAL BLISS
too depressing? too depressing
 
just the perfect amount of dark though
 
@KazWolfe or is it dank? (lelennyface)
 
no, it's just dark.
 
@NathanOsman do you think we should add WolfBot to the Ubuntu Regulators room?
 
I'm not usually in that room.
 
12:14 AM
Has to be AU mod, sadly.
 
hmm
@NathanOsman wai u no au mod
Should I try terdon?
 
try anybody you want, but it seems a decent number of our mods hate chatbots. so...
 
But we have SmokeDetector...
 
@KazWolfe They hate pointless chatbots.
@Zacharee1 Not a chatbot.
 
This one is anything but pointless
@NathanOsman ??
 
12:15 AM
@Zacharee1 Try talking to SmokeDetector.
 
@NathanOsman technically it is. you can't give commands to it here, but it is a bot that sits in chat and does things.
 
oh because it has no commands
yeah ^^
It's a bot that chats :p
 
i define Smokey as a utility bot
 
@KazWolfe "chat" implies conversation. Yeah, that doesn't happen with Smokey.
 
so... to Charcoal HQ!
 
12:16 AM
@ThomasWard do you think we should put WolfBot in Ubuntu Regulators?
 
not something that can be interacted with freely by users to get replies to it.
 
...like George, which is on an extended hiatus.
 
@ThomasWard @NathanOsman what if WolfBot only responds to privileged users?
 
@ThomasWard well i can make it so that mods can block everyone but admins from using it.
 
@Zacharee1 ask someone who's lurked there frequently the past eternity.
 
12:17 AM
@NathanOsman "extended" == "indefinite"?
 
that is in spec.
 
@Zacharee1 That's a step in the right direction.
 
@ThomasWard the dino?
 
You'd have an easier time selling that to mods.
@Zacharee1 Er, well, yeah, kinda :D
 
:(
 
12:17 AM
SE hates fun and chatbots.
HEY, WOLFBOT CAN COMMENT NOW! :D
 
HWAT
 
@KazWolfe wait wat i thought ask ubunu was chill and allowed that
 
@Downgoat apparently not.
 
@Downgoat fun? maybe. Chatbots? guess not
 
they're cool with humans misbehaving, but not bots.
 
12:18 AM
@KazWolfe to a point
 
THIS SITE IS ORGANICIST.
#BotLivesMatter
 
sigh
 
Cortana? Is that you?
 
i have a good evil idea.
 
@Seth Yes Seth, would you like to search that in Bing? I will need your location before I can search for you though. Would you mind allowing that? If you click Deny, I will have to cause your computer to combust. Sorry.
 
12:21 AM
bring WolfBot onto my account.
 
@KazWolfe ;___; not goats and wolves, only humans? Q___Q
THIS IS AGAINST SE POLICY
SE DENOUNCES ANY DESCRIMINATION TO PROTECTED CLASSES
(I asked on tavern)
 
@Downgoat Organicist? Anything that is organic is fine.
 
WE MUST MARCH ON THEIR SERVER ROOMS DEMANDING EQUAL ACCESS FOR BOTS!
 
^
 
WHEN WILL THE DISCRIMINATION END
 
12:22 AM
PL0X
 
@Zacharee1 oh :|
 
lolz
I think you just reenacted quite a few riots in history
 
#DowngoatForCivilRightsMovementLeader2016
 
What if your SON is a bot, @Seth? Would you still treat him like every other bot?!
 
I ran chatgoat on my account on TNB for a few messages and no one noticed
either i did not pass turing test or my bot passed turing test
 
12:25 AM
i think we started the new social rights movement here.
 
@Seth I think they need input on wolfbot
from mods
 
we know the core mod position already, sadly
 
...
 
this is why at the beginning i wanted to work with the mods to make sure that exactly this did not happen.
 
but you kinda ignored all our input
 
12:28 AM
wat
 
like "keyword" finding -> useless.. but that's the most advertised feature.
 
that's the only feature
and was only temporary to test that the thing worked.
so... what is useful? I have shortcuts online.
 
well what are the useful ones? There is a ratio of usefulness/noise, and you have to overcome that.
 
why is keyword finding useless? It's found questions I never would have seen
 
at least two, now, actually.
one of which has a flag, actually
 
12:30 AM
@Zacharee1 usefulness = 1. Noise = 100.
@KazWolfe tinkering with chatbots if fun and all (I did it at one point too), but getting to the point where people want it in the room because it actually helps (for some reason) is an entirely different thing.
 
@Seth I do want to point out that we have the U&L thing which creates quite a bit of noise and searches for Ubuntu on that site
it also has much more intrusive messages than what WolfBot has
 
@Seth well, the call to turn it off is 5 for, 5 against.
 
@Zacharee1 yeah, and I tend to agree, but at least it actually contributes to the goal of people here, answering things. And FWIW that was set up long before I even joined the site, much less became a moderator.
 
well, of the 142 people who saw my metapost.
 
@Seth How about this: there's no real harm in trying it out. During the night (EDT/EST) Sokey goes crazy with its same exact format. WolfBot would be slower and more spread out. I don't think it would cause noise. You seem to. I feel the only way to actually test this is to, well, test it
 
12:34 AM
well, you can look in the test room
 
since it wouldn't be in an isolated environment, we could actually see if it gets in the way
 
@Zacharee1 Smokey reports spam. Which is a much bigger deal than potentially off-topic questions.
 
@KazWolfe there's no constant conversation going on there, so it's not the best test of interruptions
 
i'd say the split between valid flags/invalid ones is about 60/40 or so, including my bias.
 
we're not judging it on valid flags though
 
12:35 AM
@Seth good point
I still think we should try it in UR though
if it goes well there, move it here
if it goes well here, keep it
if it goes badly, remove
 
hell, there's even a mod-set command to nuke the bot from orbit if something goes even a little bit wrong.
 
@Zacharee1 I don't care if you trial it in UR, long as the active people there don't mind.
 
ok
 
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A: What should WolfBot do for us?

Kaz WolfeKeyword Flagging status-completed The bot should have a feature that will monitor incoming questions and check each post for certain "keywords" as defined by a moderator or bot admin. This could be used to watch for off-topic posts (like those about Kali or Mint) or posts of a certain caliber...

here. cast your votes on the keyword flagging.
i dont know why i didn't post that before, honestly.
 
12:42 AM
I don't believe that...
 
well you don't have to.
 
look, @Seth, i'm sorry you feel as though the flagger is useless for the most part, but it has (on occasion) caught things we would have never seen for whatever reason.
 
But I don't see why you wouldn't.
 
@Seth I'm gonna wait for Pocketnow to do a review
 
@KazWolfe fair enough, but I'm not really worried about catching those. Least of all in the main chit chat area.
 
12:48 AM
@Seth i mean, do check that flag i raised earlier.
again, true.
i'll probably add some check to WolfBot that kills it if it sees that the "turn it off" post has a positive score.
let the community control it.
 
1:02 AM
(which is actually really easy to add)
 
@Seth Top for performance or top for quality?
That's quite subjective since it doesn't have OIS and other cameras do.
 
@NathanOsman Overall. The review goes into quite a few details.
 
@Seth Interestingly, they have not tested the OP3.
 
@NathanOsman Yeah. There are quite a few they missed iirc.
 
1:20 AM
hi
 
hi
 
low
 
/o
 
I AM SO SICK OF SENATOR KAINE CONSTANTLY INTERRUPTING GOVERNOR PENCE!! not presidential at all, he is going to miserably lose this way! I'm about to quit watching! that moderator ought to take her place and tell kaine to be respectful!
 
\> trump saying "wrong" every three seconds
what.
that's dumb formatting right there.
 
1:30 AM
Kane is taking a page out of Trumps book?
 
ok that's exxagerated. furthermore that's one thing, another thing to start saying full paragraphs over governor pence
if kaine was only saying "wrong wrong wrong" I wouldnt mind.
 
also, whenever i hear the name kaine i think of this guy.
i've played too much Zork.
 
oh my WORD!!!!! did you just hear kaine say to the moderator in a retort to a question he was asking PENCE "Are you a senator?" wow that is so disrespectful!!!
 
Isn't Pence a former Senator?
 
former House member, not Senate
 
1:38 AM
Nevermind Representative...
 
@Windows3.1 you might want to understand that we try to avoid political discussions here unless we're making fun of a politician
 
I AM making fun of a polititian: Kaine
@TheXed I don't think so
 
@Windows3.1 no, you are berating Kaine
there's nothing fun in what you're saying
 
same thing
 
not at all o_O
 
1:41 AM
yeah.
if you berate kaine, you need to berate pence too.
i'm sure there's plenty of ground.
 
yeah, they're vice presidents to the iPhone 7 and the Note 7 :p
(see that's how)
 
@KazWolfe Pence is about the cleanest Politician you will find...
 
dont know how to berate pence. he's doing almost perfect
@TheXed ^^^^
 
What happened to the starwall??
 
@TheXed he's playing completely by the book and giving no bad ideas?
 
1:43 AM
Star this comment if you prefer Trump
Star this comment if you prefer Clinton
 
@Zacharee1 It disappeared for me a day or two ago but now it's back.
 
@KazWolfe as far as I know...but his downfall might be accepting a nomination for Vice President by Trump.
 
@chaskes no I see it. @TheXed's star has a line break where the arrow appears on mouseover
 
@Zacharee1 I have 3 updates on CM on my nexus 7. Do I have to apply them all in order or is the last one cumulative?
 
@Seth back to the Pixels, even if the Pixel XL had a 100MP camera with a 1.7f aperture and a 1" sensor, I wouldn't get it because there's no SD reader or IR
 
1:45 AM
lol
even you can't fill 128GB :P
 
@Seth it's the portability I like
 
@chaskes cumulative
 
and how I can view my camera photos without a computer
 
@KazWolfe thanks
 
@chaskes I think actual firmware will be cumulative, but OTAs might not be, since they just push the changes and not the whole firmware
 
1:47 AM
ok, thanks as well :)
 
@Zacharee1 (neither one is great)
 
did you just ping yourself?
 
yess
 
how do you do that?
 
it's interesting
@KazWolfe but very much possible
 
1:51 AM
Get the permalink (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/32725694#32725694 in this case). Delete everything except the message ID (32725694). Put a colon before the message ID (:32725694).
 
yep
 
@Zacharee1 nyello
 
@Windows3.1 blah
:)
figured it out a min before you commented :)
 
hey @ParanoidPanda, have you heard of ring? ring.cx
 
@Seth whoa that looks like actual Skype for Linux :p
 
1:54 AM
exactly!
but more secure
 
@Zacharee1 Blasphemy!
 
@Seth add meh 2f9b80ef1975d685fd06b6cd28bab0a4f856e5c2
 
hey, neat.
wolfbot is above 50 rep.
 
nice
 
@Zacharee1 I have to figure out how to add a contact..
 
1:57 AM
Search contacts or enter Ring ID?
top left
 
Hello, Chat ! o/
 
Hi All
 
@Zacharee1 oh. my screen too small to read the entire text.
 
please help me with this question
 
hi there
 
@Zacharee1 nutella ?
 
i am not sure about step # 2 and # 3 of the answer...posted my gparted images
 
@Serg jello
 
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Q: Windows 10 update screwed up grub-not getting any options to dual boot to Linux

AshuI was away from Linux for quite some time(around 3 months or so)...haven't even booted...but my grub menu was working fine...i believe during last 3 weeks or so some Windows 10 update happened and now i am not seeing any grub screen which can give me the option to boot into Linux. After boot - it...

 
did it work?
 
1:59 AM
@Seth you need ring: before it
 
dont want to take chances
 
@Ashu with advanced partitioning, it's all chances
 
^--
 
@Ashu that question points to duplicate
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Q: How can I repair grub? (How to get Ubuntu back after installing Windows?)

SalahuddinI installed Windows 7, which ate Ubuntu's boot file. When starting up the computer, it now goes straight to Windows, without giving me the option of booting Ubuntu. How can I get Ubuntu back?

 
hi
 
2:00 AM
it looks like your windows is /dev/sda4
 
Is this the one you are following @Ashu ? ^
 
yes
yes i am following the answer
#2 and #3 steps are bit confusing...i need some specific details..don't want to mess up
Determine the partition number of your main partition. GParted (which should already be installed, by default, on the live session) can help you here. I'm going to assume in this answer that it's /dev/sda2, but make sure you use the correct partition number for your system!

Mount your partition:

sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt #Replace sda2 with your partition number
so in my case what will be this command "
sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt #Replace sda2 with your partition number"
?
 
Your main partition is your Ubuntu partition
 
@Ashu Step 2 says "Determine the partition number of your main partition" . So, whatever is ext4 , should be your main partition. Let me open my Gparted an shsow
 
sleeptime
 
2:03 AM
so it should be /dev/sdb4?
 
So, according to your GParted screenshot, your main partition should be /dev/sdb4 (if it's referring to your Windows part.)
 
Darn it . . . I forgot i don't have swap
 
Thereby making your command sudo mount /dev/sdb4 /mnt
 
ok thanks
 
@WolfBot nope , should mount Ubuntu's partition
 
2:03 AM
@Serg sdb4 is his ubuntu partition
 
@WolfBot not always , these numbers aren't set in stone. Is the screenshot yours ?
 
@Serg that's from the OP.
(also this is @KazWolfe, i'm just on this account to test things)
 
@Ashu make a screenshot of your Gparted
 
 
@WolfBot of course it's you, Kaz , who else has access to WolfBot ?
 
2:05 AM
 
@Serg usernames aren't set in stone
other people can have similar ones :P
or the same one
 
@WolfBot <.< oh shush there
 
that or i gave wolfbot an AI that helps people.
50/50 chance of either.
 
@Ashu ext4 is Ubuntu , carry on
so /dev/sdb4
 
/dev/sdb4 is my main partition, right?
 
2:07 AM
affirmative.
 
Yes, that's correct
 
ok let me try
 
Also . . . dammit, I ain't got no swap partition, and I need it to test my indicator
Who volunteers to test ?
 
I volunteer @ParanoidPanda.
 
now i have two EFI - one in /dev/sda and another one in /dev/sdb
 
2:10 AM
@KazWolfe eh, he's got Gnome. Mine is more for Unity
 
didn't know you can't edit kernel logs using default sudo configuration
I'm running some modules on a VM, was going to empty the kernel logs to make it easier to keep track and apparently I don't have the permissions even with sudo
 
oh, Ring uses SIP?
Neat.
also... WILL THIS STUPID IPHONE PLEASE SELL ;-;
 
@Ashu i'd say work with the one that has Ubuntu installed , so work with /dev/sdb
 
@NathanOsman should i just wait for the OP4?
 
what is the deal with all the clowns recently?
 
2:15 AM
@TheXed you mean Trump and Hillary ? Oh, nothing, just the election circus passing by
 
new goals...
become famous and influential enough to moderate a debate
set rules that there is to be no personal attacks on the other candidate.
 
No I mean these clowns...
 
@TheXed My guess is that people emulate some post they saw online, or they're trying to imitate "The Purge" movies
 
someone check 4chan for clowns
also... 5 votes away from meta reversal.
 
YOu asked for it, you got it
 
2:20 AM
@Serg brb getting tor
 
@KazWolfe tor for 4chan ?
 
@Serg tor for anything shady.
 
@NathanOsman What is wrong with the Toronto BlueJays fans throwing stuff out on the field in the middle of a play?
 
meh , 4chan is as shady as AskUbuntu . . . minus all the porn
 
I don't know I heard there was a clown sighted locally, and a local college canceled their night classes due to a "clown threat". It is causing all kinds of havoc...
 
2:22 AM
and profanity . . . and racism
@TheXed now that's too much
 
well it didn't worked for me
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb4 /mnt
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ for i in /sys /proc /run /dev; do sudo mount --bind "$i" "/mnt$i"; done
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt/boot/efi
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /mnt
but it's booting into Windows directly
after the restart
 
@Ashu does Grub menu show up ?
 
check BIOS boot order
 
I mean OS selection ?
 
LUKS WORKS ON WINDOWS?!
 
2:24 AM
@TheXed see, this is one of those things that if you let loose and attach too much attention to, you'll let out whole lot of paranoia into the masses
 
@Terrance I hate it when they do that.
We did it last year during the playoffs too. >.<
 
@NathanOsman I do too! I hate it when any fan does it! It is uncalled for!
That was against the Kanas City Royals, right?
 
If i select ubuntu...then there is no boot device
update-grub didn't reported any errors also
 
@Terrance It was the second round, I think? I can't remember.
 
@NathanOsman Ah, OK. Well, anyway, baseball is one of my favorite sports. I don't hate any teams, but I am a Twins and Angels fan. I also like The Giants. I really like the color of the BlueJays though. It's my favorite color! :D
 
2:32 AM
@Ashu let me get this clear, you have 2 hard drives, one with Windows and one with Ubuntu, right ? or you only had hard drive two Ubuntu and Windows partitions and USB disk last time ?
 
two hard drives
one with Windows and EFI partition
and another one(/dev/sdb)-Windows and ubuntu and it has EFI also
i think i should have selected /dev/sda2 for EFI
and not /dev/sdb3
 
Ah, OK. That changes things. You need to repeat steps with grub installed on /dev/sda. So repeat the steps , but when you get to grub-install part, do sudo grup-install /dev/sda
 
yes that's what i was thinking..let me try that
 
God I hate newspapers and blogs - they always but shiz ton of javascript ads into their sites
I'm fine with image ads, but javascript - bloody hell - that's annoying
 
2:38 AM
Oh I forget what it is like to be a normal person...I have pi-hole...
can I see a screen shot of what it looks like?
 
Same. I have my own ad block on my wrt router.
 
Nothing exciting, just ads, ads everywhere
@TheXed see that's the thing - they give too much attention to the whole thing about people getting dressed as clowns. It's going to be picked up by pranksters, but also by legitimate criminals
both suck
 
lovely,lovely
I don't use adblock anymore on purpose
 
I should give Brave a try.
 
2:45 AM
and your porpuse?
 
now we know your first name ;)
Joshua
 
@Windows3.1 it wasn't a secret...
 
ok :)
 
If you look long enough you can probably find it else where...
 
No success...booting directly into Windows...if i choose to "
If i select ubuntu...then there is no boot device"
then it says no boot device found
 
2:51 AM
@Ashu When you booted to the Live session, were you in UEFI mode?
 
not sure...how to verify that?
 
Run this from the live boot:
dmesg | egrep "EFI v"
If you are in UEFI mode you will see the version... have an output... if not the output will be empty.
 
well how it makes any difference? last time when i got issue like that...i tried something like this "bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi"
what is the value to substitute into {bootmgr}???
 
OHHHH!!! I just had a brilliant idea...
I can have my family dress up as a family of clowns for halloween!
 
The key to having support in this case is ensuring you are booting into EFI. Did you run the check? There's another discrepancy between what you posted and what has always worked for me.
The latter might not matter much... did you check the dmeg output?
 
2:57 AM
@TheXed really ? ain't a briliant idea amids all the paranoia
 
my windows system information says that BIOS mode is UEFI
 
But that is why it is so brilliant!
 
You have to check it from Ubuntu... the Live Session.
 
Just have to get my wife on board.,,,
 

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