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12:06 AM

@JorgeCastro was about time :P

@terdon because you don't pass the environment variable MENUPROXY or something

there's a way that you can do, MENUPROXY=none command to make it work

@terdon it could work, but I won't recommend it with the way ubiquity does stuff (remembers that broke his installation because installed Ubuntu and Debian /boot together and Ubuntu in a separated disk)

terdon

@Braiam yeah, Gilles answered.

@Braiam really? Cool! Would you post an answer? Mine is really not elegant.

Braiam

@terdon his answer was a polite "don't do that"

terdon

@Braiam heh true, but we were discussing in U&L chat and both he and goldilocks said it should be possible.

@Braiam looks like it's UBUNTU_MENUPROXY

Yup, this works:

 UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 gvim

Braiam

@terdon yeah, that

terdon

12:22 AM

@Braiam do you want to post an answer or should I add it to mine?

Braiam

12:34 AM

@terdon nah, add it in yours since yours is accepted, also I would edit the title into something more general like "how to prevent an application from using the global menu?"

terdon

Fair enough

Done

Wild Man

I wanted to ask, I have an answer that now says community wiki is that normal?

Seth

Yeah, you see, you edited it so many times it became Community Wiki.

Wild Man

that is what I thought happened

Seth

It's in the revision history ;)

Wild Man

12:48 AM

I am glad it is over

Seth

I know what it's like ;)

Wild Man

when we can not open a chat because they do not have enough reputation is it okay to use comments or should they go some where else to get help, just asking because a lot of wireless issues end up long

Seth

no, comments is fine. Always try to integrate it into your post and flag for a mod to clean up when you're done though :)

Wild Man

okay, that is good

thank you

Seth

Keep up the good work!

@terdon I like it :)

terdon

1:00 AM

@Seth it is pretty, I'll give you that. Seems very unstable to me (but that may be a VM issue) but getting an "Unity experienced an internal error" type message on a Linux machine reminds me of why I left Windows 15 years ago :)

Seth

1:28 AM

@terdon It's also got the best keyboard shortcuts I've seen in any DE, but I will admit it is a bit unstable.

terdon

1:40 AM

@Seth does it? You mean out of the box? I never use them. I've been using the same basic shortcuts since the days of WindowMaker and I always set them up on any new DE I try. Some examples?

Mateo

@terdon hey, if it looks like and sounds like... Might be close enough.

terdon

@Mateo :)

Seth

@terdon My favorite ones are the <Super>+<Number> to open/switch to apps in the launcher. I also use Alt+Tab a bit, but that's standard in almost every DE. Alt+` allows you to switch between windows of the same app as well. The HUD (alt) is also useful sometimes.

If you hold down <Super> it'll show them all to you ;)

terdon

@Seth hmm, OK, very different use styles :) Super is broken on my VM (99% sure that's not Unity's fault), I tend to configure specific shortcuts for specific apps anyway and like to keep my own cause I've been using them for years (but tat is a good feature) and Alt breaks Alt+click to move/resize which again, I'm too used to to abandon :)

Oh well, guess I'll go and figure out why super fails. Is it mapped to Alt or WInd by default?

Seth

The Windows key.

I know in Ubuntu it's mapped pretty low down, so it usually doesn't work well in VMs.

terdon

1:53 AM

Oh @Seth do you have any idea how one can pass an environment value in the exec call of a .desktop file?

re this:

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Q: How can I launch a specific application bypassing the global menu in Unity?

So, trying to get up to speed with LaTex in vim/gvim... problem is the beginners tutorial for vim-latexsuite assumes gvim and the gui menus. Okay, got gvim right here. Problem is, under Unity and the global app menu, the menus are truncated and don't show the keyboard shortcuts that they should f...

Seth

Hmm. exec should just run it in bash (afaik) so you should just be able to export VARIABLE=value && /path/to/executable but I haven't tested it.

or am I misunderstanding?

terdon

@Seth nope, tried that. I don't think it runs in bash, isn't the gnome shell launching those directly?

Hmm, might work if I have it run in a terminal.

Braiam

@terdon exec= env VAR=val command

terdon

@Braiam Brilliant! You did it again :)

Braiam

like this askubuntu.com/a/363150/169736

Annonomus Person

2:00 AM

Hey can someone help me?

Seth

@Braiam Awesome!

@AnnonomusPerson Don't ask to ask man ;P

Annonomus Person

I just updated Ubuntu (12.4 IIRC) and updated all of the packages. It's frozen while rebooting, stuck on my desktop background only.... not even a mouse. I haven't been on it for a bit, so laugh at me for having 480 updates....

@Seth That's like my trademark enter a chatroom line...

In the process of upgrading to 13.10, don't worry.

Seth

@AnnonomusPerson Did it reboot and drop you at a desktop or did it never quite shutdown?

Annonomus Person

@Seth Never quite shut down.

Seth

Can you get into a tty? (Ctrl+Alt+F1)

Annonomus Person

2:03 AM

I don't have time to ask a question... I might have to hard reset it when I go to bed in a hour or so.

@Seth Nope.

Seth

@Braiam any real reason why that worked but the other didn't? (export)?

terdon

@Seth the env

Seth

@AnnonomusPerson Than there isn't much you can do but a hard restart. And update more often next time ;)

@terdon ahh

terdon

@AnnonomusPerson hang on, why is your desktop background being shown in the middle of rebooting?

Annonomus Person

@Seth Yeah it's an old wubi install that I haven't messed with for ages but I'm switching...

@terdon I don't know.

Braiam

2:05 AM

@Seth .desktop files are magical things, akin to unicorns ;)

@Seth ? got a Q that that answered?

Annonomus Person

Hard reset done.

Seth

@Braiam terdon sorta did. Already answered, but he was improving it.

Annonomus Person

Wait... is my Windows partion gone?!?!?

terdon

@AnnonomusPerson but is it restarting, as in it has shut down and is now booting or did it never shutdown?

Seth

@AnnonomusPerson yuck, WUBI was pretty bad :-/

@terdon It started to shutdown, but froze after everything but the desktop background disappeared.

Annonomus Person

2:07 AM

@Seth IK just don't want to loose windows yet... and don't have time to do a proper install.

terdon

@Seth OK, now I get it.

Annonomus Person

Logging in now yay.

Seth

@terdon btw, lots of comments on your answer there, can any of them be removed?

Annonomus Person

Got desktop thanks.

Seth

@terdon btw, you might find this useful.

Braiam

2:08 AM

@AnnonomusPerson err... I would say only one thing: WUBI is the source of all your problems ;)

Annonomus Person

@Braiam I'll do a proper install later just wanting to get a decent OS on an old XP machine I have... XP side barley usable and I had wubi installed.

From like ten years ago... IIRC it was something with updating too why I ditched it lol :)

Braiam

@Seth kill this askubuntu.com/review/close/234846 I won't waste a close vote ;)

btw, is a bug ;)

wait... that's freaking old!

Seth

done

@AnnonomusPerson I'm not sure WUBI existed 10 years ago..

terdon

@Seth I think wubi came out with Ubuntu, I remember hearing about it when Ubuntu first started to make a buzz.

nope, I'm wrong:

> Initial release April 24, 2008

According to wikipedia

Still, 6 =~ 10 if you're rounding :)

Braiam

2:36 AM

@terdon that's way too round

Seth

@terdon lol.

Minato Namikaze

2:58 AM

Anyone who knows java. Please help?

0

Q: Difference between pure and impure function?

I assumed that pure functions must always have a return type(ie, must not be void) and must have the same output regardless of the state of the object and that Impure functions change the state of the object or print the state of the object. But the textbook I use states that "An accessor usuall...

java accessor

Braiam

@Seth and you said UL star wall was boring:

terdon

@Braiam well, it hasn't been this interesting since the troll attack.

Seth

3:15 AM

@Braiam lol.

@terdon troll attack?

terdon

@Seth You had the same guy here. Deranged tin foil hat style, liked to post his questions in stanzas using BR became very aggressive when contradicted

I think I'd flagged him here to let you guiys know but that was before you were a mod I guess.

Seth

@terdon You mean, err Utkarsh? Or someone else?

There have been a lot of trolls here lately :(

terdon

@Seth no, much much more disruptive than Ut

Seth

Well I won't keep asking. I have some ideas though.

terdon

@Seth No secret, he's been banned site wide, I just can't find any of his old accounts yet

Minato Namikaze

3:20 AM

@terdon ~~Does dew ring a bell?~~ Transcript seen

Braiam

@terdon look for the trolling room

Seth

@MinatoNamikaze He already said it wasn't him.

btw, you seem different with a new gravatar and name ;P

Minato Namikaze

@Seth yep xD

terdon

@Braiam it's been deleted

He tended to have userNNNNN usernames and then a few offensive ones.

Braiam

@terdon here

terdon

3:24 AM

Evan Carroll! That's it

Minato Namikaze

Awkwardly, That name does not ring a bell.

terdon

@Braiam ah, no actually, that's another one

Braiam

and Shog came by and defined an answer:

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Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning* forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

discussion link-only-answers not-an-answer

summary, Link only answers are not answers unless the question ask for an off site source

terdon

@Seth got him! Finally! It's this guy: Sumer Kolcak

This should give you an idea:

scienceforums.com/topic/18818-sumer-kolcak-god-of-infinity

Braiam

@terdon THE ONE THO SHOULD NOTH BE NAMED!!!!!!!!!!!

terdon

3:33 AM

yup...

Anyway, keep <br>
an eye out for posts<br>
that are formatted in<br>
this really annoyng<br>
manner.<br>

Harris Rubin

@Seth can you run ubuntu server without keyboard mouse or monitor just the computer

terdon

@HarrisRubin depends on the hardware. Some systems won't boot without a keyboard attached. But yes, I had a box sitting in my living room for a while

Harris Rubin

@terdon

terdon

3:49 AM

?

Harris Rubin

^^

I installed ubuntu server on a usb and when i boot i get Non-System disk or disk error

terdon

@HarrisRubin That sounds like a good question for the main site

If you add a lot more detail that is

Harris Rubin

even though it is on a 2002 pc

brb

ter

@terdon what detail

terdon

@HarrisRubin I mean you should post a question on the main site, but give details such as: the version of Ubuntu you are installing, how you installed onto the USB drive, what kind of usb drive, what tool you used to install it, what hardware you are installing on, the exact words of the error etc etc

Harris Rubin

@terdon I am trying to install ubuntu 12.04 server on my old 2002 HP 268900-999 desktop. I made a start up usb using the live disk creator in Ubuntu 13.10.

I am trying to install ubuntu 12.04 server on my old 2002 HP 268900-999 desktop. I made a start up usb using the live disk creator in Ubuntu 13.10. I set the computer to boot to USB first in the BIOS but when I boot I get a Non-System Disk Error" or "Disk Error" Appears on Black Screen. The usb works on a different computer, what am I doing wrong?

terdon

4:08 AM

@HarrisRubin I don't know. That's why I asked you to post a question on the main site. We're a Q&A site, it's what we do.

And you did, cool, thanks

Harris Rubin

you know it is a cool question which deserves a +1

which also deserves a answer

@terdon i have a usb keybaord plugged in and a mouse should i unplug that

terdon

@HarrisRubin it got it!

No answer cause I honestly can't give you one. I gave you my best suggestion as a comment. And no, mouse and keyboard should be fine

Harris Rubin

ok should i still reply to the comment

terdon

@HarrisRubin no need. The comments are there just to give you suggestions. Only reply if they are direct questions and in most cases you should reply by editing your post anyway.

Harris Rubin

i am basketball

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