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12:00
@katyasehgal ahh, I was under the impression it was: du -sh /mnt/external/Pictures/
@kingmilo i typed this. No such file or directory
@katyasehgal type: ls -l /mnt/external
@katyasehgal i thought the drive was empty so I didn't bother moving it to a folder :(
the previous command may give you a lot of info I just want to know if it is listing your pictures in that directory.
@kingmilo i should have informed about this too.
@kingmilo yes, it shows Pictures coloured in blue
@kingmilo would it help if I emptied usbdrive completely and came back?
@katyasehgal Do you have any idea of what other folders/files where on that drive. I am confident your pictures copied across but I would like to be 100% certain before we delete them from your hdd. If we can establish what folder/files were on the drive then we can check the size of them and do the math, ie. 2.0G - 1.2G should give us the size of the 'other' folders.
@katyasehgal no, we can cp the pictures again but this time into a folder.
@kingmilo i am afraid I can't confirm. There could have be a folder called pictures anyway in the drive.
12:08
@katyasehgal Ok well let's copy the Pictures again but this time into a folder called Pictures. First let's check how much free space you have left: df -h /mnt/sdb1
no such file or directory
df: no file systems processed
@katyasehgal sorry just do: df -h
paste the line with /mnt/external
/dev/sdb1 available: 1.8 g
but wait
give it some time again.
once it is done check the size of it with: du -sh /mnt/external/Pictures
@kingmilo what would be the folder on the usb where the pictures are copied?
12:12
@katyasehgal with the command above we are telling it to create a new folder called Pictures
and since Pictures folder already exists, can we gice it another name?
sure
but wait.
I thought it didn't exsist on /mnt/external ?
type: du -sh /mnt/external/Pictures
it does. it is coloured in blue as I mentioned above
ok
it shows 1.2 G /mnt/external/Pictures
12:15
ok perfect, that's what I was looking for earlier, I think we just misunderstood each other.
So the pictures did copy and into a folder on the external hdd called Pictures and the size of the folders are the same on the internal hdd and the external hdd which is what we want.
@kingmilo yes.
Ok now we will remove the Pictures folder from your internal hdd.
You have to be very careful with this next command :/
I am going to post a command that we will cancel to be sure that you are doing it correctly as it is easy to make a mistake.
@kingmilo a question. if it copied, why did it show errors.
12:19
back :)
@katyasehgal It could be for a few reasons but possibly because it wasn't happy about the permissions. With the errors you posted we should be fine to move on, especially since the folder sizes are the same on the internal hdd and the external hdd which means that we pretty much got everything.
@kingmilo okay. That's good then. I will follow the command exactly
@katyasehgal type this command, we will ctrl-c out of it once I confirm it is doing what we want it do: rm -rfi /home/anil/Pictures/
It should now prompt you to remove a folder/file, something along the lines of: rm: descend into directory `/home/anil/Pictures ?
think you need a * in that - you dont want to delete the Pictures folder itself
safer... cd /home/anil/Pictures
ls -l
@fof
12:24
to confirm contents
@katyasehgal, @fossfreedom is right, his way is safer: cd /home/anil/Pictures and then: rm -rfi /home/anil/Pictures/*
@fossfreedom yes there needs to be a * behind it. @katyasehgal @kingmilo
@kingmilo ..... ;)
@kingmilo got the result
@kingmilo wrong >:D The cd is useless if you rm like that ;)
12:26
@kingmilo so how do i cancel now
@katyasehgal OK. Ctrl-C to break the command
done
now what do I type instead?
Then do the following: cd /home/anil/Pictures
@kingmilo done
then: rm -rf /home/anil/Pictures/*
@Rinzwind yea true but just makes me feel better anyway.
12:29
@kingmilo done
it did not ask me about descend.
@katyasehgal: du -sh /home/anil/Pictures/
how much space now? df
@katyasehgal df -h
on dev/sda1 1.7G available
umount /mnt/external
12:31
@katyasehgal what percentage, we were at 97% before we started, should be around 90% now ?
89%
should I unmount as @fossfreedom says now?
@katyasehgal great. As @fossfreedom said above: unmount /mnt/external and then you can reboot.
@katyasehgal, foss has a lot more experience than I do so you can usually do what he says ;-)
I understand. You are humble.
I typed the command.
@fossfreedom has been of immense help at other times as well.
@katyasehgal Ok now you can reboot and it should boot up just fine: sudo shutdown -r now
cross your fingers ... and toes
12:35
i am back on recovery menu
and now it is rebooting
@Takkat use your imagination >:D
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A: Saving Programs while using python

RinzwindThe command line interpreter for Python is not an editor and does not have a save option. This is just something for testing your commands. You need something like gedit (or another editor) to type your commands. Those editors all have save option.

I am betting she is using the interpreter >:D
@fossfreedom a min please
wow 89% :D
and it is still snowing :=\
when you are rocking 15G 89% is massive! ;)
might just be wise to dig into the sofa and find the pennies for a bigger HDD.
12:42
we have a system in a datacenter that has 1% used... 7Tb is the total disc space >:D
it is going to be used as a fileserver too so we need the space >:D
I don't know, I quite like the idea of using what you have. Read on Slashdot the other day that a Sco box had an uptime over 10 years, always enjoyed that sort of stuff.
@Rinzwind dont tell the management ... they'll cut back your purchasing budget ;)
oh we did not pay for it ;-) (we develop software; some other company is in charge of hardware)
@Rinzwind i have a query. I had been getting this space error for quite sometime. freed 1 gb or so from my home folder. It has led to this.
all we said is ... an avg pdf is about 1.5Mb ... so they did he math >:D
12:44
@fossfreedom @kingmilo I have a separate 209 gb disk
what am I doing wrog that keep getting the space error thereby leading to today's big mess up
*wrong
@katyasehgal you are storing files in you /home dir instead of the external disc ;-)
@Rinzwind i am actually not.
aha :)
then why delete the images in /home/anil/pictures/ ? >:D
@Rinzwind :) i know.
but except this, I had transferred the rest to my other disk.
@katyasehgal You must also keep in mind that every time you update/upgrade your software it pulls in more files and therefore takes up more space. Because your / partition resides on the 15Gb drive you do not have a lot of room to play with. I would limit the applications I install and do regular: sudo apt-get autoremove and sudo apt-get clean etc.
@katyasehgal is it up and running now?
12:48
@kingmilo yes, it is running. Though I have to reset all icons and theme as it is looking very shoddy. I guess I will try this for that: askubuntu.com/questions/194899/…
@kingmilo sorry 15Gb for / is more than enough if you have a separate /home. Unless you run apache and/or mysql it is never going to fill up :)
bingo!
15
25
oh wait we got a bingo!
@kingmilo @fossfreedom how do I give more space to home then.
well done @kingmilo for persevering
12:49
@Rinzwind fair enough, but it doesn't give one much room to play with that's all. :)
@katyasehgal is the 200+Gb an ubuntu disc? or external?
@katyasehgal awesome.
@kingmilo @Rinzwind it is an ubuntu disk
@fossfreedom & @Rinzwind thanks for the guidance/help. =]
@katyasehgal you can add that external disc to /home with a symlink ;)
12:50
@Rinz use of that?wind what would be te
I did nothing @kingmilo :+)
sorry, what would be the use of that
symlink is the same as a shortcut in windows ;)
@kingmilo awesome thanks to you. i was tensed!
@katyasehgal glad we could help.
later.
12:51
@Rinzwind my plan was to have like a d drive. The way we have in windows. So in case c gets corrupted. your matter is safe in D drive
@katyasehgal oh I do that... I have a 500Gb disc in my laptop that is mounted in directory /discworld All my stuff goess in there
but all you need to do is NOT store images in /home/.../pictures. Just store them on your 2nd disc and you will be fine
-- if you use gnome-screensaver or shutter or a browser. store files that are downloaded from those to that 200+ disc.
@Rinzwind I already take care of that. But as @kingmilo said, with every update, my home space gets reduced
And dont use your /home. That way you system should not run empty
@katyasehgal yes but not 15Gb worth... I have been running with a 10Gb root and 15Gb home since .... Ubuntu 7.04 (maybe earlier) and have NEVER run into trouble.
@Rinzwind i'll take care again then.
12:58
@fossfreedom @kingmilo trying to reapply this now. http://askubuntu.com/questions/194899/how-do-i-restore-the-original-color-scheme-icons-and-theme

hope it will gowell.
try unity --reset first
usually works
@fossfreedom doing that now
@Rinzwind +1 for the better imagination on what she might do with her Python.
lol
do you have a lot of snow too @takkat ?
@Rinzwind I have so much work here, I can't afford to look out...
No it was raining all days long
13:08
tsk >:) you got your priorities wrong
Why? 1. money 2. money 3. more money.
ah! got you there: where in those 3 points does it state 'work'? >:)
I found a significant correlation between the amount of work and my balance.
I did not. Currently I am here and still make money :=)
That's my future plans.
13:11
(though I am updating a 25m records table in sql >:D )
@fossfreedom doing that gives me for the last 10 minutes: fatal: root visual is not a GL visual
@katyasehgal that seems to happen when you do not have a graphics card driver installed that can do 3d
Try this command:
./compiz-check
@katyasehgal sounds like you are running unity-2d not unity-3d
@fossfreedom wait, can I stop this operation and restart?
13:15
yes you can :-) or just install the graphics driver from ... what was that again ... the updates screen?
I am quite sure I was using unity 3d.
now I need to reset icons, launcher and all, and I typed in unity --reset
I must tell you, before coming on to here, with you and others, I had tried the commands from here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141606/how-to-fix-the-system-is-running-in-low-graphics-mode-error

notably ubuntu desktop reset and install fglrx
what is the output of lspci | grep VGA
05:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc ES1000 (rev 02)
>:-D
and presently, my ubuntu desktop is very wrong. no left side menu at all.
and ctrl + alt + t does not work
@fossfreedom result: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile
yuk - and you install the fglrx driver... oh dear
@Rinzwind - since you use ATI (!) what's is the cleanup strategy?
13:30
@fossfreedom no idea :D :D that one came from a server so no desktop >:DDDD
@fossfreedom surely I can remove the driver
probably ... sudo apt-get purge fglrx
@katyasehgal you should. you are using the wrong one if I read fossfreedoms post correctly
@Rinzwind yes. it seems he did not like the mix up.
sudo apt-get --purge remove fglrx*
@fossfreedom you forgot dashes :+)
and a wildcard
13:32
me ... intel user ... dont use these strange vendor stuff ;)
@fossfreedom ok. it is deleting this vendor stuff apparently...
and done
This sort of article makes me smile - always a flame-bait these. datamation.com/open-source/dispelling-fud-about-ubuntu-1.html
@katyasehgal reboot.
@fossfreedom gonna read that :D sounds fun
@fossfreedom i get a stange looking desktop. not the original ubuntu one
@fossfreedom so i would need to revert to unity 3d, and then type in commands to get k original ubuntu?
*get back
13:49
yes fossfreedom is going to tell you what driver to install in 10... 9... 8...
@Rinzwind has he gone to vendor to get fglrx :)
no no fglrx is for ati ;-)
he is getting intel drivers >:D
@Rinzwind i am a novice 8-)
we all are @katyasehgal
okay, i had typed in unity --reset and am still waiting for it to finish.
13:53
in any form or way ;-)
did @fossfreedom say he left? >:-D
@Rinzwind indeed.
i googled bbl
it means be back later
ah I see it now he indeed left :P and now what? :D
@Rinzwind oh well. now ubuntu starts but I can't get it working
you need to update the graphic driver. can you get to system setttings? (the cogwheel on the panel at the top right hand side)
@Rinzwind yes am there now
14:00
go to software updates. that one has a tab "additional hardware'
see if it shows a better graph.driver
there is no additional hardware
there is a tab for additional drivers though
this one:
I am there now
it shows no additional drivers tab
@Oli, it's not what I am saying. It's what the GNOME designer had to share.
And btw, my hard drive died just yesterday :(
Oli
Oli
:(
14:10
i am thinking of installing ubuntu on my external for now.
anyone there?
No. We are here, not there.
@FEichinger :) epic
@katyasehgal I am lost :=) no idea where to go from here... hopes fossy comes back quickly
@Rinzwind thanks, true that
@Rinzwind these are beautiful. but only after I get original ubuntu settings back. This has been hard day.
Morning all
@Greg morning
I installed 13.04 on my laptop, and I wondered when 13.04 is released, what will my laptop update to?
Will it always be the beta version (as in, will it upgrade to 13.10?)
@greg it will update to the normal (non-beta) 13.04 version. 13.10 it will not update to unless you force it.
14:25
Interesting :)
from the 13.04 version you can go to 13.10 but you need to change the sources list yourself
bbl too. need to vpn again :=)
14:52
8 ★ 1 ★ - 2 days ago by Obama
woa
it's pretty red in there.
15:23
I think you mean Orange @FlorianMargaine ;)
question!
if one of those sliders is on the ON part and it shows off as text is that option then ON of OFF :X I keep forgetting
Oli
Oli
exclamation?
yes questionmark
@Rinzwind, wysiwyg?
hmm
vasa1 ->
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Q: I can not password protect logging into my account in Ubuntu 12.10

maxWhen I start up Ubuntu 12.10 I see the login screen. I have my account and a guest account as the choices. When I choose my account by clicking on it, I automatically get logged in with out being required to enter my password. I want to password protect my account so when someone clicks my acco...

see my comment >:D
15:33
I'll remember that next time outside the airplane toilet ;)
if my answer is wrong someone delete it ;)
15:57
@Rinzwind if it's pretty blue, then it's on; if it's grey then it's off
0
Q: disk failure is imminent

pro ubuntuerok, i have one question, i got an error that my disk failure is imminent, i tryed everything possible to recover it but not success. then i completelly removed my ubuntu 12.04 by installing windows xp instead, but for some reasons, it now work fully with windows xp, but again suffers problems wit...

This guy here might be my sock. o.O
@jokerdino asked by "pro ubuntuer"
@katyasehgal ... back - how's progress?
@fossfreedom hi @fossfreedom
i need help.
this is how it looks. and terminal does not function.
how do I revert to original settings
need some context
16:11
looks like your theme needs to be reset to ambiance - click on the dash and search for appearance
@fossfreedom god this was simple. [facepalm]
i have however, lost my original settings, with respect to icon size, lock to launcher, and others
anyway they can be obtained?
that would be expected if you had run those commands from the Q&A - no you'll need to redo those. Shouldnt be that hard - look at my answer here: askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity
just to check - you are definitely now running unity 3D? - again my answer askubuntu.com/questions/62001/am-i-using-unity-or-unity-2d
this is how it looks now after clicking on ambiance theme
change the background?
when there are too many items, they fold as you mentioned.
okay.
@jokerdino sorry was that for me?
16:21
@katyasehgal it was.
the items folding is called accordian effect and is very much by design
i guess it is 3d. Since the dash button changed its hue on changing wallpaper?
yep - all looks ok.
quoting @fossfreedom "The Panel and Dash change colour to match your wallpaper when the Dash is open, and the launcher is mildly translucent by default.
"
super. Let me take a break and redo the settings.
anything else i need to know @fossfreedom?
Anil and Katya?
@jokerdino haha. its complicated.
16:23
@katyasehgal no - have fun customising.
@katyasehgal I'll wait until your supper is done? ;)
thank you so much @fossfreedom. And not any less, thanks to @Rinzwind and @kingmilo for their assistance. This has been a long holiday spent on Ubuntu.
@jokerdino help me cook @jokerdino
o.O
O.o
O.O
hi everybody
16:27
@jokerdino next time @jokerdino. bye
@katyasehgal cya
16:41
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Q: When citing another user, how should her/his username be formatted?

nutty about nattyE.g., I sometimes use bold-italics (***) cuz it looks alright, and provide a link to what I'm quoting/citing. Alternatively, I could imagine to additionally linkify the username to his user profile. Overkill? What do you usually do?

17:18
a typical case better suited for irc (or the forums):
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Q: How do I format the Ubuntu partition, but not touch the Windows partition?

bcmcfcI tried to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10. This went very wrong. I now need to start from scratch. I have Windows 8 dual booting with it. How do I format the linux based partitions whilst making sure the Windows one is kept safe, using a recovery console?

look at the comments
@guntbert It can be handled here though. Information from comments can be progressively moved into the question and the comments can be deleted. Anyway, the OP has far more than enough rep to use SE chat, too. (So that's another alternative to IRC.) Probably nothing has to be done to it right now.
@EliahKagan To be honest, it was just a remark - no "call for action" :-)
17:39
0
Q: dpkg sees them, but apt-get can't remove them?

rikb(similar to the question Uninstalling default VBoxGuestAdditions on Debian but a Ubuntu install, and the solution there isn't working for me?) and really the issue seems to be with dpkg/apt-get not virtualbox or its linux guest additions: host:/media/VBOXADDITIONS_4.2.10_84104$ dpkg -l | grep v...

18:08
"notify-osd is locked down because developers know best, right?" - well spoken, @Oli
@FlorianMargaine cool! I added a picture to my answer so it is all ok now Thanks
Oli
Oli
@guntbert I get sarcy when I'm running on just a few hours sleep :(
Up all night fixing a damned-to-Hell php server. There are moments when I really wish I could punch the internet.
so it's php's fault? not notify-osd?
Oli
Oli
I guess I could go to a PHP convention.
my new roku 3 gets here today, unf.
18:16
@Oli Hm?
@Oli no worries :-), but seriously that's one point where I sometimes doubt the decision to base something on Gnome - they tend to simplify things so much that things get almost unusable
Oli
Oli
@JorgeCastro I'm not sure notify-osd gets away blame-free. Not making it configurable isn't taking a stand on design - it's just lazy and arrogant.
it's not lazy or arrogant
it's simple and out of the way
you know what I don't have to care about on my computer? notifications.
they notify me of stuff
and I respond
Oli
Oli
That's what you feel. Open source should be about enabling people to have what they feel.
but that's not what oss is
I mean, you can do that, someone has done that
you can get the fork that configures things
Oli
Oli
18:20
I do understand that but I'm looking at KDE now and I can change just about everything. I once wanted to make the places menu show more items and it required downloading the source to half of Gnome (and a ton of dev packages) just so I could change a hard-coded variable.
I can do it (and that's essential) but it should be easier than that.
sure, I get that
and if a UI full of checkboxes is your idea of a good time, there's nothing wrong with that
that doesn't mean we're lazy or arrogant about notify-osd
it's just Ubuntu is about a sane default
most people don't need to know/care about moving the notifications
... You consider this an all-or-nothing kind of thing, @JorgeCastro.
I just think that of all the problems in the world to solve
notification options doesn't make my list
This isn't even something that should be a "problem to solve". It should've been considered beforehand.
Oli
Oli
Why is it that every time somebody says anything pro-configuration, there's somebody talking about the fabled impassible wall of checkboxes? *Configuration does not need to be intimidating.*

It takes time and effort to work out how to do that... And *that's* why I say that projects that omit configuration completely are just being lazy. They *could* do it and they could do it well but they aren't.
18:27
Also this ---^
Oli
Oli
Too many *s make chat unhappy :(
@Oli Nah, multiline formatting doesn't work.
Yeah I am just saying the point of using your computer is to use it, not to sit there all day rearranging things and checkboxes for no reason
and it's a proven point that most people don't even use most of the options for most programs
1. Again: There is no need for tons of checkboxes.
so why have them if they're just a waste of engineering effort?
18:29
2. What is so problematic about building the program with an external config file to do such stuff?
Oli
Oli
@JorgeCastro Because it makes the software more useful for some users. That should be enough.
You call it wasted effort, I call it more usable software. And if you want to talk about wasted effort, consider the lengths people go to to add aftermarket configuration tools (MyUnity, etc).
/me mulls putting his pgp key on his new business cards
there's nothing to stop people from making config tools
but I don't need a config tool to use my desktop
Oli
Oli
You do if the defaults aren't doing what you want them to.
But it takes more time to build the config tool on top than making it configurable from the start.
The philosophy should be: Avoid hardcoding values.
again, there's nothing stopping people from making a super configurable notify-osd
but asking Canonical (or GNOME or whoever) to swallow the engineering cost for things most users won't ever use probably won't work
and Firefox actually measures which options people use
18:41
@JorgeCastro doesn't that argue that you should have the options in the first place, to see how much they're used?
Most studies show that users don't use most options in software
you get much better results by testing for what the sanest default is, and shipping that
Oli
Oli
Most users don't use R. Delete it from the repos.
Most users use Firefox. Delete Chrome.
choosing a browser or using R leads to productive output from your PC.
moving notify osd in corners doesn't really do anything
anyway, people are free to do whatever they want, you can replace notify-osd with the one fork or whatever
Hello!!
I am back with a question:
How safe is it to do a distro upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10?
(I mean for the data on the computer....
)
Oops!! knock... knock... is someone around here?
safe is relative
18:54
Like...
the upgrade won't touch your data by default
but it's always safe to backup your stuff before an OS upgrade
Okay...
Hmmm.... OK, it is happening RIGHT NOW... let me get my hard drive.
(Downloads are on...)
poofs into existence
Hello!
@AmithKK YOUR STATEMENT IS IRRELEVANT!
i have THIRTY systems running 12.10 flawlessly!
and they're not LTS builds!
SO THERE!
@TheLordofTime Yeah, but the problem is about upgrade...

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