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2:25 AM
Bounty offered: How to move the lock window? http://askubuntu.com/questions/145152/how-to-move-the-lock-window?atw=1 #windowmanager
 
2:45 AM
Wait
I'm 3k now
Yay
Thanks for the bounty :)
 
 
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4:34 AM
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Q: Should questions describing problems that mysteriously went away be closed?

Eliah KaganIf a question describes a problem that the OP once had, but which then goes away, and the OP has no idea how and didn't do anything to precipitate a solution, should the question be closed? It seems to me that such question should at least be closed when there are no answers (as for this questio...

 
5:11 AM
morning all
 
5:22 AM
@ShyamK good morning
 
@adempewolff good morning
 
5:43 AM
Ubuntu Philosophy Question http://askubuntu.com/questions/146179/ubuntu-philosophy-question?atw=1 #windows7
 
5:57 AM
Good morning everyone
 
morning
 
Why can`t there be a way to mark all the questions that someone is working on? Or is there?
 
You can star them so you can find them. Then they're under favorites
 
DUH!
I need more coffee
brb
 
6:26 AM
Good day everybody
 
o/ @Takkat
 
Good Day..
 
I've starred far to many favourite questions... ;)
(always forget to unstar them at some point)
 
Coffee is kicking in
 
How would the world be without Coffee and Ubuntu?
 
6:29 AM
I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW :)
@Takkat, I don`t want to think about it either ....
 
I remember times without Ubuntu but can't remember how it was without coffee
 
It's one of those things you wouldn't miss if you'ld never had it (in both cases)
 
I remember times without Ubuntu but, But I`m trying to forget those times..
 
I do remember times where I had a coffee cup instead of the hourglass!
 
lol
 
6:33 AM
TOS it was
 
@Takkat, How is that black hole coming?
brb
 
A bad experience - I couldn't install the drivers for it.
 
7:00 AM
<E> blackhole contains more than yotta spammers
yesterday, by Lord of Time
@Takkat Good idea. let me go create a black hole :P
@Lord of Time: you forgot to mv /blackhole/spammers /dev/null
 
8:05 AM
What would be the best way to give a server on a guest OS (using virtualbox) an address I can access from the host OS without using bridged networking and a hardware router or switch?
or is "go buy a router" the only solution?
 
@adempewolff: virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html may help you on this.
 
8:24 AM
@adempewolff Host-only networking would do it if you only need local access. Hardware router+bridged is better. If you need to access the virtual server from outside that particular machine, then I don't think you can get away with not getting a router or some SRTs on the linux box itself.
 
@aking1012 thanks, I was actually off reading the manual when you pinged me. I think I might try using two network adapters on the guest, one NAT for external stuff, then one host-only for internal stuff.
 
That way works, but you have to set up port forwarding
 
Does "Ubuntu for Android" (12.04) work with the Samsung Galaxy S2? http://askubuntu.com/questions/146238/does-ubuntu-for-android-12-04-work-with-the-samsung-galaxy-s2?atw=1 #android
 
8:56 AM
@izx Wubi for 11.10? releases.ubuntu.com/11.10
Any ramifications of doing it?
 
izx
9:20 AM
@Mitch Ah, just saw yours -- I just included the direct link /11.10/wubi.exe. No, as long as 11.10 is supported no ramifications IMO
 
OK, thanks
 
izx
@Mitch I deleted my answer and edited yours to include the info and the disclaimer. You got there first :)
 
yeah, but you have been an Ubuntonion (if there is such a word) first :)
 
izx
@Raja: please try not to discourage enthusiastic folks who want to try Ubuntu out for the first time via Wubi
 
Ubuntero
 
9:26 AM
OK :)
 
no onions ;)
 
izx
@Takkat +1
 
Why, onion are good for you ;)
 
"Take onions, that'll make you ice water" (Marx Brothers)
 
izx
busy ??
@izx sure !
@izx I am not with that thought , i commented like that for let know them General install is better than WUBI .
people whats the matter running about UEFI and Fedora ?
 
izx
9:38 AM
@Raja In the abstract, yes, Wubi has a performance penalty BUT when a normal install is not feasible for any reason and Wubi is the only option...
Wubi-buntu is better than No-buntu!
5
 
@izx i agree +1
 
I am ready to throw /etc/hosts out the window
 
@izx so you heard about FEDORA and MS deal ? can you tell me in as short as possible ?
@izx think you might be busy . ok have to leave . later
 
izx
Yes, they will pay MS $99 so Fedora can install without users having to disable the secure boot setting in their BIOS. They thought it better to do that instead of take on the huge headache of managing signing keys themselves and then making sure all mfrs included it
 
@izx is it possible that chromium is caching DNS lookups and thus not reading /etc/hosts?
ah. the answer is yes. just cleared private data and everything is working lovely now. sorry for the ping!
 
izx
9:53 AM
@adempewolff np, I've seen FF behave this way on both Lin and Win and after a little empirical debugging, chalked it down to certain combos of cookies+javascript in my cases
 
@izx: actually MS is being suprisingly reasonable about it
users can add their own keys or turn it off, or the darn things don't get certified
 
I finally got tired of how buggy my sandbox Xubuntu server/drupal development was being so I'm turning it into a headless server and am just going to work from the host
 
izx
@Mitch: re gnome-chem question, added apt-get update in case her net connection is flaky or something
@JourneymanGeek: I know, the Slashdot article was much fun :D
 
@izx @Raja: ars technica has a great article on it
I'd link but my ISP is being buggy
there we are
 
@izx Thanks very much :)
 
 
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izx
11:21 AM
So how do you deal with a user who disagrees with your downvote and then goes on to gratuitously downvote your previous answers?
 
Can you answer this? How to use Eclipse with the JDKs provided by 12.04? http://askubuntu.com/questions/128798/how-to-use-eclipse-with-the-jdks-provided-by-12-04?atw=1 #java
 
izx
@Takkat Thanks, infinitely helpful and comforting :)
 
where where?
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Q: Ubuntu Philosophy Question

The-Ever-KidI was just switching from Windows to Ubuntu and I started to read this. And there were quite a few things I did not understand one was : "OpenOffice decided not to have a learning curve" And "Firefox tries very hard to make sure pages written in 1995 look like they did in 1995. " And...

Really? It is a good question? I am closing it as not constructive.
 
izx
11:40 AM
@jokerdino This is the answer I downvoted, after an extended discussion in comments (mine deleted now) and an invitation to chat.
In return this +6 and this +12 were downvoted.
 
jrg
@izx ignore him
what happens is
 
izx
@jrg Yes, I'm at peace now -- first experience of this sort, so a little unnerving. But go on...
 
jrg
if he goes and downvotes more than 4-5 times, the system will say "Oi" and reverse the votes
 
izx
I hope it's a booming Donna-from-Doctor-Who-style "OI!"
 
11:43 AM
@izx sudo -u Takkat "downvote --undo_by_upvote"
jk - they are good answers.
 
@izx I do have a question about that +12 though, does running Ubuntu in Wubi really modify the bootloader? (I've never used Wubi)
 
@adempewolff: it does
 
jrg
However, it's nice that he's using Ubuntu (looks like 11.04 or perhaps 11.10.)
 
@JourneymanGeek no kidding. how so?
 
It adds its own bootloader to chainload off windows bootloader, then it uses that to load the image
 
izx
11:46 AM
@adempewolff Yes, it will add an entry to the BCD db or BOOT.INI depending on whether you're on Vista/7 or XP -- that's what I meant, not the grub4dos stub that @JourneymanGeek mentioned above. And as a recent question mentioned, the Wubi uninstaller sometimes messes up on removing the entries.
 
so the linux kernel is running in parallel with the NT kernel?
 
no
Its a dualboot
but linux is on a disk image rather than a seperate file
 
Wubi is a dualboot?
 
I always thought it was more like a self contained vm
 
izx
11:47 AM
@adempewolff Heh, no. It's basically a loopmounted ext3fs on one large flat file stored in the NTFS partition.
 
naw
it runs natively
At most the disk is virtualised, not the os
so you have full native access to everything
 
jrg
@izx i had to think about that. Crude, but accurate.
 
ah, I see
so the idea is just to not mess with partitioning at all
 
yup
The tradeoff is you cannot hibernate
Actually in theory, you can do a very similar thing with grub and other OSes as well
(or windows bcd and VHDs... )
 
izx
The bigger tradeoffs are (a) the ntfs-3g (FUSE-type) performance penalty (and increased CPU usage) and (b) even tiny uncorrected issues in the underlying ntfs partition can cascade into big problems in the overlay ext3fs.
 
11:52 AM
@izx: There's not much of a NTFS 3G performance penalty
 
@JourneymanGeek well 12.04 doesn't hibernate anymore anyway
 
and you can back up your system from windows relatively trivially
ahh
I'm still on the last LTS for most part i think
 
izx
@JourneymanGeek If someone can do all that they're not Wubi's target demographic
 
11.04 of my desktop, but i have a MAJOR rebuild coming up so i can't be bothered to upgrade
 
izx
@JourneymanGeek You may be right about the performance penalty, because ntfs-3g has come a long way since I last tried Wubi around Jaunty or so.
 
11:54 AM
@izx: I started with wubi as far as ubuntu goes, I still use it in situations where i need a linux install sans repartitions
@izx: according to their benchmarks, its faster than some native filesystems
 
jrg
I'm on 12.04.
 
also, in many cases, its better than the windows driver ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek eh, I've found that anytime ntfs-3g is involved there is a performance penalty, I used to store my files on a ntfs data partition, I really noticed the difference when switched it to ext4
 
jrg
typo. >_>
 
although I have older hardware
 
11:55 AM
@adempewolff: define older...
most of my surviving systems including the dell i pulled from a dumpster are c2d or better ;p
 
jrg
Older hardware isn't bad hardware, it's just hardware that needs to be taken care off. :)
 
Intel Core2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz
 
izx
@adempewolff I think a decent part of that can be attributed to ntfs-3g running as a FUSE module vs. kernel-native in Wubi I assume?
 
o0
ahh
older than what i run
 
jrg
@adempewolff oh sweet! That's what i've got on this thinkpad
 
11:56 AM
@izx: also the whole crazy abstraction going on
 
jrg
oh wait, no. this is a centrino. nevermind
 
I'll be replacing the motherboard on this with a core i7 in july or august ;p
@jrg: centrino is a platform, it could still be a c2d system iirc
 
It's served me well for like 4.5 years now, but certain things make it slow way the hell down
and one of those things is ntfs-3g
 
jrg
well let me check again
 
izx
all this makes me want to try Wubi on an eee PC (1.6 Ghz Atom/2GB RAM/7/touchpad buttons no worky) that I still have kicking around, before I switch it to Xubuntu 12.04
 
11:57 AM
@adempewolff: my dad's daily driver system is one of these thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R51
 
izx
@JourneymanGeek I disagree with the abstraction hypothesis -- overlay/loop FSs have very little inherent overhead in my experience
 
@JourneymanGeek I haven't seen one of those in a long time! I worked in a laptop service center once that serviced mostly thinkpads
 
we have some older stuff as well, some PIVs, and a HP with a dead hard drive
 
jrg
@JourneymanGeek you are correct. It's actually a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8100 @ 2.10GHz under the hood.
 
izx
@JourneymanGeek what's a "daily driver" system?
 
jrg
11:59 AM
stupid stickers
 
@izx: what you use every day
 
izx
ok, thanks
 
jrg
anyway, @adempewolff - it'll run fine
 
jrg
i run it here, i have a friend with a 1.6GHz netbook that runs it fine.
 
12:01 PM
(The x220 is what i use in school, i go dual system at home, sharing keyboard and mouse if both happen to be running windows with mouse without borders. I really need to set up synergy)
 
izx
@adempewolff FWIW, my T520 has one of these and ntfs-3g writes in particular certainly stand out in top
 
hm
I really need to run some benchmarks if i ever actually find time to ;p
 
@izx I believe it. luckily for me, other than backing up to my external, I rarely ever have to use ntfs partitions
but when I do..... ntfs-3g is eating up like 20-30% of the CPU!!
@izx this is what I think will be on my next laptop
 
@adempewolff: I'm not a huge fan of monster laptops... but my next desktop upgrade will be running one of these ark.intel.com/products/65719/…
 
izx
@JourneymanGeek Why not the unlocked multiplier K variant?
 
12:14 PM
Not planning on overclocking, the i7 is not much more expensive, and the ivy ridge family overclocks horribly
Also, the K varient dosen't have VT-D and some other features
 
izx
@adempewolff Those should be in the Thinkpad W530 (releasing tomorrow, I believe) and the T530 (coming soon)
 
I was trying to decide between the K varient core i5 and i7 actually
(actually its a very strange build. First time i've gone for a gradual upgrade of parts)
 
hm, so we have a question downvoted because the user's accept rate is low? Really?
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Q: How to unblock someone in Empathy?

newuserI am using Ubuntu 12.04. I use Empathy as my default messenger. I had blocked someone in Empathy but now I want to unblock him. The person whom I blocked is using Gmail. So, how to unblock that person?

 
@izx I think I'm going to buy from System 76 actually. I was looking at Dell Latitudes or Thinkpads originally, but the System 76s are just so much cheaper it's hard to argue with them
 
jrg
@jokerdino Yeah, people are (unfortunately) starting to care about that
 
12:24 PM
oh well
 
izx
I tend to not think too much about possible answers to questions from serial non-accepters (<60%), but downvoting isn't justified IMO if the question has any merit.
 
on a side note, can someone check if my answer to that question is valid? i can't verify it myself because the protocol is blocked in here.
 
jrg
excuse my edit spam, i was cleaning up from a weekend i missed. ;P
yeah sure @jokerdino
 
I live in askubuntu.com/questions so carry on.
 
izx
@JourneymanGeek Anand says it will hit 4.5 on air with ~150 mV bump, that's good enough for me. VT-d seems to not have helped my VMs so far... do you have any experience with it helping if you are not running a bare-metal hypervisor?
 
jrg
12:29 PM
@jokerdino it's correct
 
cool. thanks!
 
@izx speaking of serial non-accepters (guilty), if you add in a prominent place that the hard drive reads sectors not files and thus could not discriminate against non-windows files to your answer I'll accept it.
 
izx
@adempewolff no worries, i have that at the back of my mind for a slow day :)
 
@izx haha, okay
 
izx
@adempewolff I'm just checking out their site -- had only heard about them so far -- is laptop external quality and support decent?
 
12:34 PM
Time to restore sanity in the front page ;)
btw anyone use Twitter? Can someone guide me on how to use ttytter?
 
@izx I've never bought from them before. but this latest release of laptops (Clevo manufactured ones) seem much more solid than the previous ones which looked pretty chinsy (I have no idea how to spell "chinsy" or if it's even a real word)
 
izx
"confliction" is actually a pretty innovative typo
@adempewolff I believe flimsy is what you were looking for. The 1366x768 on their 14.1 is a downer, but will definitely consider for family. Do let us know your thoughts when/if you get one.
 
@izx yeah, I'm also not happy about the display in the 14.1 (it's glossy too...)
I'm probably going to buy the Gazelle (the bigger one) just because of that, even though I'd prefer a 14.1
 
izx
@adempewolff that's a downer too. The 15.6" screen is nice but the numpad sounds like a bad choice to me...
 
@izx it does look awkward, but after some soul searching I decided that a matte high-res screen was more important to me than the keyboard
I do wish they could have just included a nicer screen option on the 14.1 though...
 
12:42 PM
@izx it actually is a real word... or at least that's what dictionary.com is saying.
 
anyone got experience with ddclient ?
 
@jrg merge and please
 
ddclient[10554]: WARNING: file /var/cache/ddclient/ddclient.cache, line 3: Invalid Value for keyword 'ip' = ''
 
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Q: Will suspension or hibernation of OS suspend running programs?

TimI am running a program in my terminal. BUt I need to suspend or hibernate the OS (Ubuntu 12.04) for a while. Do I have to Ctrl-Z my running program before doing that? Or will suspension or hibernation of the OS also suspend the running program and allow resuming the program after the OS wakes up?...

 
izx
@stueng you should be able to just delete ddclient.cache and move on -- maybe try renaming it and seeing what happens?
 
12:57 PM
@izx i may want to mess around with bare metal hypervisors too. I'm hugely OS agnostic
 
Hello all :D
Just went to Bannerghatta Biological Reserve
Bannerghatta National Park() is situated 22 km south of Bangalore, Karnataka, India. The journey to the park takes nearly one and a half hours from Bangalore. This hilly place is the home for one of the richest natural, zoological reserves. The 25,000 acre (104.27 km²) zoological park makes this a major tourist attraction of Bangalore. Zoological reserve The Bannerghatta Tiger and Lion Reserve has a reserve of Indian tigers including white tigers, lions and other mammals. Safaris - Tiger & Lion Safari and Grand Safari(including herbivores) - conducted by the KSTDC,aid in the f...
Got Lots a shots
Like that one
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Q: What happens Once Windows 8 implements Secure Boot on ARM and pc's

mateo_saltaWill we be asked to provide instructions for booting Ubuntu on these systems, even when most of the work is done on the other operating system. For instance, currently we answer questions about OSX booting usb, and for booting windows on a mac 'running' Ubuntu, when these questions mostly require...

How is this meta
 
1:15 PM
It asks how we should respond to a question. I think there's a view that it's the right place to ask
 
I didn't understand the quesrion properly
 
There was an article describing how secure boot would not be able to be disabled on Windows ARM. Someone will probably write a one-off patch/hack for it, but it won't be as simple as jail-breaking/rooting.
 
*question
 
My suggestion would be a Windows ARM secure boot bypass question on SU that we could reference and a separate question here on installing Ubuntu ARM in a dual-boot config
 
@Takkat /blackhole/* is hard-linked to /dev/null :P
and hello to the rest of you
 
1:26 PM
@LordofTime I found that out too: rm /dev/null -> All empty
 
hello @L
 
@Takkat i also learned something interesting: purging /dev/sda doesn't actually kill the drive, it just kernel panics :P
was bored, tested on a really old system he uses for testing things
(/dev/sda is the active / drive)
but of course, i have spare systems to waste :P
 
@aking1012: won't be possible till these systems actually come out
and no one's really sure where windows arm questions go
 
jrg
@jokerdino k
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes, I suppose that's fair. I was only looking at separating it into maintainable pieces.
 
1:30 PM
The procedure on x86 should be as simple as deactivating secure boot in bios or adding a certificate to the system
 
Yes. That's why I noted ARM
 
the former can be on SU, the latter may be AU specific
 
there's rumors that secure boot will be hardcoded into the BIOS
so it can't be removed
 
@LordofTime: Ars technica has a VERY good writeup on this
 
you shall provide the link
 
1:31 PM
To be compliant x86 it has to be disable-able was my understanding. To be compliant on ARM it can't be disableable
 
jrg
We will worry about secure boot when it happens, not before. Anything we say until then is probably nothing more than rumours, speculation etc.
@LordofTime ?
is that like a planet ubuntu, but for M$?
 
this discussion about MSFT having it hard-coded into BIOS for all win8 systems was on the technet forums
 
jrg
Oh.
 
is a member of MSDN and therefore is a member of technet
and a few microsoft employees made statements hinting that the rumors were true
so there's a potential antitrust issue in the US with this (locking out systems so alternative OSes cant run, and so that on Macs Windows can't be dualbooted)
 
1:34 PM
Basically MSFT is providing ONE root signature for OEMs, users can add their own (for OSes that have their own signature chain) or get theirs signed through MS's root cert provider (as RH has done)
with windows RT, its the same as any other tablet
 
and now you know why windows 8 will be horrible and will tank microsoft
 
@JourneymanGeek That's exactly the article I was thinking of
 
i wouldnt be surprised to see a rise in systems with Linux and/or Apple
 
and i'd note, there's very few ARM devices that actually let you select an OS
 
That's a fair point too. I can't wait for a pure linux tablet. Thinking about getting some touch-screen film and tearing my acer aspire apart to make a pseudo-tablet with a custom case
 
1:37 PM
@aking1012: Well, there's a good batch of nearly general purpose linux or android ARM systems coming out
I'd like to see something that behaves like a proper system tho
 
This is also true, but I draw a heavy distinction between pure linux and android
 
@aking1012: same hardware could handle either
 
@aking1012 what controller are you using?
 
@jrg you edited this post, then someone put a "NaA" post on it: askubuntu.com/questions/142016/…
 
in some cases, you can root a andoid based system to run a grown up linux distro
 
1:43 PM
Yeah, the n900 runs proper linux. I think mobile manufacturers specifically select binary blob drivers whenever they can though...
@AmithKK clarify controller
 
@MarcoCeppi Make sure you account for the changes in Ubuntu which made ia32-libs into ia32-libs-multiarch
@fossfreedom you're the second person to ask an oddball question about packaging :/
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Q: How to create a deb package that extracts a tar file

fossfreedomI would like to create a brand new deb package to install series of files. If at all possible, I would like to untar the folder containing these files as part of the installation into a known folder location. Question is - is this possible and if so - how? Lets give an example: ~/mypluginfold...

^-- oddball question
 
jrg
@LordofTime good catch
 
@jrg nothing gets past the watchful eye of /review :P
 
isn't there a tarball watch thingie in .deb packaging specifically to pull the latest tarball and extract it?
 
or, of course, my boredom
@aking1012 you mean for normal programs
this isnt a standard tarball
you may want to read the question and the context in which the tarball is being created
 
1:50 PM
oh...i don't think that's not a job for tarballing either
 
indeed, but its the debian package part that is not making sense :p
the way debian packages install things you have to define what gets installed from where in the source package
take for example nginx
dissect the package, the nginx code is in src/*
within the package
(so extracted, nginx-1.2.0/src/*)
 
izx
@LordofTime that's a simplistic way of stating it, IMO
 
the way packages work is the tarball of the original source gets uploaded but the source code itself exists independently within the package from that tarball
@izx feel free to expand, but i'm dead tired, so...
turns his attention to the other screen that is yelling about failed network connections
ugh, what now...
@izx anyways, for all intents and purposes, you can create a package that just installs files, i've done it on numerous occasions
 
what if he wants to put several tar's in a package, maybe he is automating a more difficult install or something?
 
izx
to do what @fossfreedom wants, all that should be needed is a dummy makefile with an install that moves the necessary files/folders into the appropriate`$(DESTDIR); debhelper and the default rules created by dh_make` will handle the rest -- essentially, the structure he wants gets created inside of debian/
 
1:53 PM
@mateosalta that's the problem, there's a lack of context
 
true, it seems a bit lacking on the intention
 
@izx i think its dependent on what he really wants
it seems he just wants to package already-built stuff
and then just create an installer
(you can do this much easier without a tarball, save the system some extra work)
 
izx
.preinst and .postinst can handle the rest of the nonsense - they will take arbitrary shell commands ; as for packaging binaries, that's very doable too
 
@izx i think the question si what is the program
what is its purpose
 
jrg
Wait, packaging binaries in a PPA is doable?
 
1:55 PM
and why he wants the installer
 
jrg
I always get yelled at by LP when I try that...
 
@jrg you build the source package
then upload that
 
@aking1012 had a question about that somewhere
 
then the builder creates the binary installer
 
jrg
@LordofTime Nonono. Packaging a binary without a source package.
 
1:56 PM
binary uploads aren't permitted
 
jrg
I thought I misunderstood that.
 
@jrg possible locally, not on PPAs
@jrg i.e. pbuilder, sbuild, etc. on a local system
you still need a source package for the building, normally
 
jrg
@LordofTime again, dependent upon a source package. :\
 
@LordofTime i suspect it's probably to package lyric fetching, since you have to install that yourself since ppl got their knickers in a twist about it.
 
@aking1012 the question then is whether the license doesnt work with packaging, there's general packaging guidelines with licenses
 
1:57 PM
i wonder if a source package containing .so's and copy points would flag
 
izx
@jrg See comment #8 . It definitely used to be allowed.
 
jrg
This is why I wish this project was in full ruby instead of a C/Ruby/mix.
 
ugh, again that went offline?
 
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Q: How does one go about satisfying dependencies for a package in a ppa that rely on packages with binary components?

aking1012Simplest explanation of the question is, you can't put any binary components on ppa. How does one go about satisfying dependencies for a package they could put on ppa if they could satisfy dependencies(and possibly how would you satisfy those)? It's kind of similar to this except that I can...

 
jrg
1:58 PM
@jokerdino wat
 
It is messed up like hell!
 
okay, i'm seriously tired, time for a coffee run
 

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