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7:00 PM
@TheEvilPhoenix try again, it was deletehead
 
and it was deleted... why?
oh i know why
because we were creating and destroying the discussion channel as each session ended or what not, no?
 
well...
should we?
 
probably up to you and @Marco
but imo
it wouldnt hurt. unless we can purge all the logs
so new people dont confuse old stuff with new stuff
 
we can't
okay then. you can create the room
(you can, can't you?)
 
yeah i can
 
7:04 PM
I'll be busy again now - laters all :-)
 
sorry to interrupt guys, I amended the issue again. If I run gksudo nautilus it will run fine
in reference to this: askubuntu.com/questions/52351/…
Thanks for the clean up Jorge :)
 
7:26 PM
:)
 
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Q: Why do I keep getting monthly charges after cancelling?

WarrenI cancelled my UbuntuOne acct on May 11, 2011 but I've continued to be charged $3.99 in both June and July? How do I stop this and how do I get my $8 back??

why would you ask that here?
oh, doesn't the ubuntu one team does the whole support here at AU?
 
yeah
but they say in their thing
if it's account related to fill in the form
left a comment
 
7:44 PM
if it's about my money i'd immediately call
ok 8$, but anyways...
 
8:04 PM
just tried to connect my monitor to the computer via an hdmi -> displayport cable. I just get a black screen. the screen does not seemt to get a signal from the computer.
 
Good evening all
 
@Takkat hi
 
back from a meeting took so long now weekend \o/
seems I missed a lot (like Bundespapierkramamt LOL)
 
wow, that's bad (not the weekend part :D)
 
@StefanoPalazzo: Something for you to look at later when you get a chance:
Please see if it is correct when you get a chance.
 
8:16 PM
argh, I hate the octal literal synax
 
It's a chart of Python number syntax... I forgot to label it :P
 
yeah I know
 
0o...?
 
keep in mind that this isn't the same for python3000
 
Right... what's different out of curiosity?
 
8:17 PM
you might have to write a completely different parser for py3k :\
@htorque that's the new syntax. the old one os 0214
028 is a syntax error
 
weird
 
Python 2.7.1+ (r271:86832, Apr 11 2011, 18:05:24)
[GCC 4.5.2] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> 031
25
 
no, i mean 0o... is weird
looks weird
 
@GeorgeEdison looks like the real thing to me
 
So what I've written is correct for Python 2.x?
 
8:19 PM
the differences are pretty numerous. the most important are that print and exec are now functions. With them being keywords, I always forget to put parentheses around the expression :-(
 
(That's what I'm targeting for the first release, Python 3.x will come later.)
@StefanoPalazzo Right, I meant the numbers though :)
 
let's see. It's probably a good idea to support the 0o31 syntax
it's been backported for a while
 
Isn't that in my chart?
 
(>=2.6 I think)
oh hang on a sec
yeah it is, but the last one says "octal integer"
(binary)
 
slaps forehead...
 
8:21 PM
that got me confused :-) makes excuses
 
Okay, the last one was supposed to say binary.
My mistake!
 
What I don't like about python is that you never declar something! you just give it a value and suddenly it's a integer or a float. it's really annoying...
 
@Alvar PHP is the same... :)
 
the string highlighting will really get you I think
 
@StefanoPalazzo It will?
 
8:22 PM
I found it impossible to do with regular expressions
 
Oh, don't worry, I'm using a full-fledged parser.
No regular expressions here.
 
things like this: "hello ""world\""""
 
@GeorgeEdison My first language was Java and that will be the one I stufy on the university. Where you don't have to give a int a value int three; jsut like that
 
which is: hello world"
 
@TheEvilPhoenix Sorry about that, moving it forward
 
8:23 PM
@StefanoPalazzo Why are "" on both sides of the 'world' removed?
 
implicit string concatenation :)
"hello" "world" == "helloworld"
 
Oh, I get it.
Yeah, that'll be a cinch for my parser.
That already works in my JS highlighter.
 
also, there's u"str" in py2x and b"bytes" in py3k, but not vice versa
 
Right, I'll have to keep an eye out for that.
 
but they don't cause a syntax error
so you might want to highlight even b"str"
 
8:25 PM
Can a newline separate a 'b' and the string?
If not, then it will be easy to implement.
 
nope
only b"" is valid, not even b ""
(same for u)
 
Oh good :)
Then I can check for 'b' and peek ahead at the next char to know if it's a string or not.
 
then comes the big thing
(if gedit was smarter, the b would be yellow)
there are a whole bunch of these, there's also \u22aa
and I'm not sure if they can be 7bit or not
 
oO
china copies everything
7
:P
 
@StefanoPalazzo Idle! or idle3 ;)
@htorque mock!
I want to down vote his name!
why isn't that possible?!?!?! :(
 
8:32 PM
@GeorgeEdison nope, \u escapes are four bytes only:
>>> "\u10388"
'း8'
>>> len("\u10388")
2
>>> "\u10388"[1]
'8'
 
Oh, you mean the escape characters.
That will be fun... :)
 
>>> ord("𐎈")
66440
>>> "\u66440"
'晄0'
>>>
 
@htorque we should tell @®inswind
 
I haven't got a clue what's goin on there, to be honest
nobody uses this since python source is utf8 (only fully in 3.x)
might be hex, might be decimal, who know
 
So just basic escape chars. should be sufficient?
I don't need to handle these really unusual scenarios?
After all, this is JS studio.
 
8:36 PM
you do - I think
 
I do...?
:(
 
I had a bit of a corner case once where I was really glad they were highlighted properly
(I was using a ton of them)
(self modifying source code that had to work with different codecs)
 
Wha... self-modifying?
Sounds like what you have to do to a Windows executable for it do delete itself :P
 
echo "open('test.py', 'a').write(';' + open('test.py').read())" > test.py
or something :P
I've worked all day, don't expect too much of me right now ;)
 
That's okay.
Hopefully I'll have something for you to actually test in the next day or two.
 
8:41 PM
fantastic
maybe by the time I've finished talking at you, you're going to call it Py Studio :PPP
 
@JorgeCastro sorry I took so long, was wading through tabs :P. It was a production called "The Great Dinosaur Escape" (more like a drama than anything else).
Bye all!
 
@RolandTaylor Goodbye!
 
Stormy conditions :P
 
@StefanoPalazzo Actually, maybe it will turn into WebStudio or something :)
I basically want something that makes it easy to create web applications and upload with FTP / SSH, etc.
 
what's that popular mac program called?
oh I remember: Coda
something like that, yes?
 
8:55 PM
That looks nice, only this will have (hopefully) more features :P
...and that comes with better understanding of the code.
Any good web tool needs to have a rough idea what a block of code is doing.
I love it how Qt Creator can highlight syntax errors in my code while I'm typing it :)
(Like undefined variables, missing brackets, etc.)
 
Completely agree
editors should understand the code
there's something you should watch @George, let me find it for you
it talks about how to programmatically understand python code
 
I see.
 
overkill? yes :)
interesting? also yes
nudge nudge know what I mean say no more :)
 
9:13 PM
I just moved my Ubuntu server to another physical location in the house, and while I can ssh to it and ping internal addresses with it, and while it is using DNS to resolve IP addresses, it cannot reach any external addresses. WTF?
 
@Phrogz (not an expert in these things) could be the machine has the wrong default gateway?
just a wild guess
 
@Stefano Seems a good guess, but 1) I had the gateway explicitly set to what I believe is correct and had no love, and 2) I reconfigured it to use DHCP and no love using that either.
(I'm assuming that a dhcp setting will get the correct gateway from the router.)
 
mh...
yeah it should. You're using network manager, right?
 
@Stefano No, Ubuntu Server, so I'm just editing /etc/network/interfaces in nano.
 
9:16 PM
/me goes to see if ifconfig has a way of reporting the gateway.
 
good night all
 
@htorque Goodbye!
 
good night @htorque
 
it's about a different topic, but there's a gateway statement in there
 
g'night from me too
 
9:24 PM
Alright, I've made it a question: askubuntu.com/questions/52369/…
@Stefano Yeah, that's what my static entry looked like (that was behaving similarly) before I moved to DHCP.
 
@StefanoPalazzo: Here you go:
^---- Testing for the numbers so far.
 
Is Ubuntu One ignoring particular directory names? http://bit.ly/nuWoTK #ubuntuone
 
9:43 PM
@StefanoPalazzo anything to edit today?
Got any juicy queries?
 
@JorgeCastro sry I'm very very busy - but this has been bugging me for a while askubuntu.com/search?q=title%3A%22problem%22
I've not looked through it, might be a rubbish suggestion
 
/me bookmarks
 
looks okay, at least the first page are all in desperate need of some attention
 
10:05 PM
@StefanoPalazzo Does Python have something similar to Javadoc comments?
Like '///' instead of '//'.
 
@GeorgeEdison yeah docstring and special module level variables
 
@StefanoPalazzo What is the syntax for docstrings?
 
docstring you know, and then there are some special names like __author__ and __version__
oh
like this:
def f(x):
    '''
    Square x

    '''
    return x**2
with a blank line at the end
 
So any triple-quoted string with one or more newlines at the end?
...is a docstring?
 
no, any triple quoted string that follows a function- or class-definition
it's stored in obj.__doc__
then there's also argument augmentation:
(but only in py3k)
def f(x: 'an integer', y: bytes) -> 'frozendict':
    pass
 
10:11 PM
So the blank line at the end is not required?
 
no, it's just good style
sorry I should have said that
 
If your first statement in the function is a string, it's taken to be the function's docstring.
so this works too:
def nop():
  "Do nothing."
  pass
 
I see, well that really helps.
 
(Doublechecking.)
 
One more question about where the docstring is...
 
10:13 PM
>>> def nop():
	"Do nothing."
	pass

>>> help(nop)
Help on function nop in module __main__:

nop()
    Do nothing.
 
I didn't even realise
nice
 
Does it matter if there is no newline between the ":" and the docstring?
 
>>> nop.__doc__
'Do nothing.'
 
Also, can there be more than one newline?
(I want to get it right.)
 
It's a matter of statements afaik, so spacing doesn't really matter
 
10:14 PM
Okay - only functions and classes can have docstrings?
 
anyone here using oneiric + wlan?
 
>>> def nop(): "Do nothing."; pass

>>> nop.__doc__
'Do nothing.'
 
@htorque yeah I'm on one eyed rick and WLAN
 
however
def f(x):'''lol'''
    return x**2
 
@GeorgeEdison AFAIK, yes
 
10:15 PM
@JorgeCastro how fast does NM connect to the ap?
 
this will be an unexpected indent
 
well, as of an upgrade today I don't get anything on my desktop
3
 
@StefanoPalazzo yeah, because if you continue past the colon character Python expects you to end the... er... inset on the same line.
 
just the icons + wallpaper
no panels or launcher
let me pull it out again and check it out
 
oh, then it's difficult to test :)
here it connects MUCH slower at boot/reconnect/resume
chat needs to be more flexible with LP links :P
 
10:17 PM
ah
it's like instant for me
but I have it set as a system connection
 
hm, let me check
oh dear
the item doesn't open the connection edtor right now
@JorgeCastro do you know which wireless adapter you have?
 
03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000
 
thanks
 
After that last experience with a realtek I'm back on intel only
 
:)
martin pitt has the same adapter and is not facing that issue
 
10:22 PM
chat used to onebox the launchpad bug links
 
marco told me it's picky
many links lead to one bug report, but it only accepts one format
 
ah
do you have the connection set as available to all users?
that's the key to get it logged in before you even log in, heh
I set APs I use alot to that
 
i can't check, the editor is not opening :)
 
yeah, i definitely had that in natty, maybe configuration moved to gsettings/dconf and it got lost, idk
anyways, it's good to have someone with a @canonical address confirming your bug reports :P
connect automatically and available to all users are both enabled :(
 
10:28 PM
I hate it when my program only crashes when I'm running a non-debug build :(
 
In Natty, my Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 wireless adapter connected almost instantly to my AP (WPA2) after boot and when resuming from standby. Now in Oneiric this takes almost a minute. What I tried so far: *) Installing the latest Natty kernel in Oneiric -> no change. *) Installing Natty's latest NM version in Oneiric -> no change. *) I thought that maybe this is connected to bug 805140, so I compiled Oneiric's NM without that patch -> no change.
network-manager (Ubuntu)
Undecided / Incomplete
ah, there you go
 
its package-name/+bug/bugnumber
 
@badp what's up, we finally passed gaming in traffic again!
mwahaha
 
B-)
 
10:30 PM
this is surprisingly stable for A2
the only real annoying thing is the battery indicator not existing
 
dirty and probably can eat kittens, but it works for me until the battery indicator returns
using a mobile system without a battery indicator is more than annoying :P
 
I do acpi -V
 
certainly less graphical :P
that's what the above thing will do. just gets the output of upower and puts it in an app indicator
 
from the beach with the palm trees, girls, and free cocktails?
j/k, sorry
 
10:43 PM
@htorque You posted that on the indicator question on AU, right?
 
(just 1 girl is fine for me btw)
XD
I wish...
 
@GeorgeEdison that crappy code shouldn't go anywhere
it's just a stop gap until the real deal lands in oneiric
 
@htorque Heh... you should see what I hacked together to monitor network usage :P
It was a nasty Perl script with RegExs and everything.
 
I stopped at "Perl"...
:D
 
hehe perl... i already talked about that gmail notifier written in perl. everything in one file including images and translations
7000 lines or so
 
10:48 PM
What I do miss in Natty (Alpha 3 + daily builds) is the possibility to click on the app. icon on the Unity launcher bar to minimize all windows of that application, not only to launch/restore it. mlaverdiere's futher addition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/733349/comments/2 My suggestion would be to modify the interaction-design/process like this (*=my modification proposal/2 cents!): 1) start it, if it hasn't been started yet; *2) restore it, if it is minimized; *3) focus the app, if it's started, not minimized and has not the focus yet; 4) spread windows (of app), if app is focused and has multiple windows open; *5) minimize it if it is in spread-mode (see 4).
Ayatana Design
Undecided / Won't Fix
^--- Not. Cool.
 
this should have ended after comment #1
gotta reboot and test natty's wpasupplicant in oneiric (my last hope :..()
 
My problem with the situation is that it seems it has been partly ignored (it was even brought up on Ayatana). If it is not the intended default what is so wrong with giving people a single option?
Is it going to harm innocent children or reverse the direction of the earth's orbit?
brb
 
wpasupplicant not oneiric-compatible... tries to find a network cable...
@RolandTaylor i don't think it's ignored, afaik the whole window managing is subject to further testing in the oneiric cylce
 

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