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@RolandTaylor tell me something new :P

Roland Taylor

@htorque something new, htorque (lol - as you can see, that is impossible)

:P

Roland Taylor

12:20 AM

I am so tempted to think out loud sometimes lol...

12:35 AM

How to bridge network ubuntu server? http://bit.ly/qssuMU #server

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A: Ubuntu compatible version of "Adobe Shockwave Player?"

3:02 AM

0

Use a software called "Wine". This software is available at Ubuntu

What is this I don't even...

@YiJiang I flagged it.

It's clearly useless.

Note to everyone using JS Studio: I have added Python syntax highlighting, which means no HTML / JS syntax highlighting until I fix it.

Note to @StefanoPalazzo: I have added revision 1 of the Python syntax highlighter. Hopefully by the time you read this, it has been built and published in my repo. Please let me know what doesn't work.

@FlackBot: uptime

@GeorgeEdison System Up Time: 30 Days, 3 Hours, 13 Minutes, 6 Seconds

Wow....

3:21 AM

@FlackBot uptime

@Amithkk System Up Time: 30 Days, 3 Hours, 24 Minutes, 45 Seconds

@Amithkk You should totally drop that and try jQuery. (In other words, I don't know what you're trying to say.)

@FlackBot sudo shutdown -r now

@Amithkk: It's... uh... running on Windows Server, so Unix commands... don't work

@FlackBot cmd

@YiJiang To be honest... I really don't have the capability of understanding that statement yet.

3:25 AM

Oh well...

Lol... nice try.

@FlackBot: Tell YiJiang that you are smarter than that.

@YiJiang: I are smarter than that.

:P

@GeorgeEdison you are good at java right?

@Amithkk No :(

I've never used Java in my life.

3:27 AM

or python?

I've used Python.

youtube.com/movie

^can this be watched using minitube ??

Flash is like 1 fps on mah system

@GeorgeEdison how do you program a ardouino?

@Amithkk There's the HTML5 <video> option

youtube.com/html5

@Amithkk Do you have one?

nah but i want one :D

@GeorgeEdison answer please :|

3:39 AM

How can I get scponly working again? http://bit.ly/oyEku5 #upgrade

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Q: How can I get scponly working again?

Synonymizer request: synchronize -> sync

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I had a working installation of scponly when I had Ubuntu 9.10, and then I upgraded to 10.04, as per the advice here: Moving information from Ubuntu 9.10 server to Ubuntu 11.04 However, it appears that scponly is broken in Ubuntu 10.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scponly/+bug/66...

upgrade

I need 2500 rep for that

:D

Sorry

Would also be lovely for anyone with the priv. to add scponly and possibly 10.04

Q: How can I get scponly working again?

ask @GeorgeEdison

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I had a working installation of scponly when I had Ubuntu 9.10, and then I upgraded to 10.04, as per the advice here: Moving information from Ubuntu 9.10 server to Ubuntu 11.04 However, it appears that scponly is broken in Ubuntu 10.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scponly/+bug/66...

upgrade

done

something is wrong :D

@Amithkk I don't have a favorite Hash algorithm.

3:48 AM

@FlackBot what is your favourite Hash algorithm?

@FlackBot: What is my favorite color?

@GeorgeEdison Your favorite color is black..

Right on!

4:29 AM

Yikes something is terribly wrong with my keyboard

Yay fixd

Qt Creator is insane... it has code completion for comments!

4:47 AM

LOL

Firefox 9!??

5:08 AM

:( Nobody online?

According to my calculation marco is located somewhere here maps.google.co.in/…

Firefox 9 ?

contextis.co.uk/resources/blog/webgl/poc/index.html

Wow.

5:25 AM

icecat9

TheX

@GeorgeEdison didn't they just push firefox 8?

Hi @TheX

@Amithkk hi

BBL

ok

5:56 AM

Good morning all

6:34 AM

@Takkat lies

it is not morning

it is 02:34

@TheEvilPhoenix is right! It is in the middle of the night at his place his watch seems to miss several hours :P

time.is/UTC

any idea why an install of ubuntu would hang miserably on the grub-install part of the setup?

how to detect a file over internet using ping or similar command ? http://bit.ly/r2uJU5 #commandline

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there are so many causes for that... no errors I bet :/

kernel calls that are gibberish

a manual install attempt to the drive gets me this from live environment:

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda1
/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `aufs'.

6:44 AM

there is a bug reported with Grub and AUFS...

well its preventing an installation

granted there's nothing on this disk

so a reboot could fix everything :P

and then a partition table redo :P

now the question becomes

what happens when i need to boot?

because GRUB must be installed

Grub indeed is nice to have when you want to boot from a disk :P

why is this AUFS there? (is no FS specialist)

well - in fact it may not be there but why is Grub2 complaining...?

@FlackBot: man curl

@GeorgeEdison manpage for the curl command.

@george?

got a solution for me?

or do i need to break this brand new hard drive

6:51 AM

Whats up?

installation of 11.04 from live media

hangs when i separate /boot from the standard / partition

fails with the aforementioned error:

10 mins ago, by The Evil Phoenix

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda1
/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `aufs'.

and then just hangs the drive

Hmmm... maybe try reformatting?

had to do a hard shutdown and just nuked the installation directory

its a brand new blank drive

I really don't know too much about this sort of thing.

there's nothing on it

6:53 AM

Oh, never mind then.

figures

Well... you could try running a surface scan.

throws illogic at @George

That would tell a lot.

goes back to burning the internet

i'm reformatting the affected partitions now

lets see if the install works...

6:55 AM

good idea!

perhaps i actually need to specify the DESTINATION of the bootloader

rather than just /dev/sda

perhaps i should tell it to install to /dev/sd# where # is the partition number

should be /dev/sda

yes, but that's what hung it

is that multi boot?

i want boot to be separate from any one partition because its going to have to be shared with Debian (bootloader)

6:57 AM

How to you switch? BIOS?

now lets hope this works

or i'm going to nuke the internet

Grub2 should also handle Debian IMO

internet already slows down... ;P

well lets hope this works

it SHOULD work

i think it just got hung up on some random glitch or something

knocks on plastic

yawn i really should be in bed

so i can be up by 12:00

so that i can be ready to run the packaging session at 14:00

those times are relative to my location, btw

its 03:01 atm

ah there we go

musta been a glitch shrugs

7:02 AM

I already noticed you don't live in UTC

mhm

UTC-4

Glitches happen after midnight!

Time of wizards and vampires...

now the only thing i need to worry about

is the graphics drivers

but they've worked in 10.04 onwards

its an NVidia Quadros card

so shrugs

should still be fine I hope.... nouveau still misses a lot :'(

oh its installing the 32bit libraries as well

good

because i installed 64bit ubuntu xD

7:05 AM

I always was fine with 64bit (+32bit libs)

</self-moderation>

why that - you may want to sell it :D :D :D

does ubuntu tweak work with 11.04?

@Takkat because i already paid for this stuff :P

Needs no tweaks IMO

@Takkat STFU. IF I WANT TO TWEAK UBUNTU I SHALL TWEAK IT

AND THEN I SHALL DESTROY IT IF IT MISBEHAVES

IT SHALL SUFFER THE ULTIMATE WRATH THAT IS THE EVIL PHOENIX!

</rage>

7:08 AM

Oh running Ubunut is the tweak!!!

bans @Takkat from life

Best tweak a computer can get is running Ubuntu

well that's a given

but i have to tweak Ubuntu itself

the button layouts...

a few other things...

oh good the partition called "data" that's NTFS is mounted

now i can get my stuff off of there

GOOD

There are so many questions where these thing broke the system...

You used NTFS for such kinda stuff???

I would be worried because of permissions!

the data needs to be shared between Windows and Ubuntu

namely stuff that gets edited on DreamWeaver then needs SFTP'd up to one of my servers

7:12 AM

I do that as well (easiest way to share)

besides, the data is encrypted.

with my 4096bit RSA key

I also admit that if I want files to be accessed by whole family I just put them on NTFS partition.

copies 3 GB (12 min left)

A: how to detect a file over internet using ping or similar command ?

Whew!!!

Just finished a huge long answer:

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There certainly is another way - but this requires understanding what actually happens when a request is made over the Internet. When you visit a page in your web browser, data is transferred using a protocol called HTTP (yes, this is why you'll often see http:// at the beginning of URLs). HTTP ...

It's got Perl in it and everything.

Any love for my long and hard answer?

7:32 AM

love.

@Takkat Thanks! That Perl stuff wasn't easy.

can anyone point me to a authentic source which proves without any doubt that rpm is not a native package for ubuntu? need to settle a bet

never did Perl... ;)

Good! Don't start... it can get really ugly.

@Rick_2047 Hmmm...

@GeorgeEdison yes?

7:36 AM

@Rick_2047 rpm.org

By native package, do you mean that Ubuntu doesn't ship with tools that can use / access an RPM package?

Ubuntu not listed for rpm but you could of course install and run it there as well!

@GeorgeEdison yes exactly that

rpm is in the repos!

RPM doesn't ship with Ubuntu, although it is available.

Hang on...

7:38 AM

packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=natty&keywords=rpm

That won't indicate whether it ships on the CD or not.

All application packes for Ubuntu are DEB packages not rpm

but if rpm is intallable then I lost the bet

@Rick_2047 well rpm package manager is available but applications compiled for Ubuntu are not packed in rpm

need a reliable source for that

7:40 AM

@Rick_2047 What do you mean by available?

I found this... cdimage.ubuntu.com

Still looking through it.

@GeorgeEdison I saw that rpm command is available in the shell, that means rpm packages are installable.

It isn't available by default.

Here is conclusive proof:

cdimage.ubuntu.com/livecd-base/current/amd64.manifest

That file contains the packages on the CD.

@Rick_2047 there is not a single rpm package in packages.ubuntu.com

Try searching for 'RPM'. It isn't there.

Does that help?

i am using the rpm command on my shell

7:42 AM

Well, it isn't there by default.

You must have installed it somehow.

can it be when I installed alien?

Lemme check...

Yup.

It lists rpm as a dependency.

So if you have alien, you either have rpm or a broken package database :)

It also says:

> "On Debian and derived systems it is recommended to use "alien" to convert RPM packages into .deb format instead of bypassing the Debian package management system by installing them directly with rpm."

Proving that using RPM is ill-advised.

umm... that is nice

where did you get that quote?

From the official package page for the RPM package.

one more question

can a i386 package run on amd64?

7:53 AM

Well...

You can install it when you have 32-bit libraries installed

That gets really tricky.

dpkg won't let you do it by default.

You'll need to override it... and there's no guarantee that even if you do that the executable will run (assuming of course that it has an executable in it).

If the executable is compiled for the i386 (which should really be the i586) architecture, then it will need i386 libraries.

(Which @htorque mentioned.)

@Takkat thats the problem, it needs readlines in 32 bit how do I do that?

If the package is available for amd64, use that. If not, try to get your hands on the source to compile it for amd64.

@GeorgeEdison its some proprietary patch, they refuse to fork over the source. The only other option is to work on windows, and I hate working on windows

any way I can install the 32bit libraries?

7:57 AM

Oh, I get it... well.

Try installing ia32-libs first.

That brings in all of the really common 32-bit libraries.

is the getlbs script still available?

You're in luck!

launchpad.net/~jcollins/+archive/jaminppa

it is...

Turns out all you need is lib32readline5.

> sudo apt-get install lib32readline5

...and that will bring it and all its dependencies in.

@GeorgeEdison ia32-libs is already installed

7:59 AM

Is lib32readline5 installed?

@GeorgeEdison just installed it

lemme try it out

its working but same problem persists

maybe the problem is in cpu and usb

What is the problem?

there is this avr usb programmer which works in HID mode in windows but not on linux

There is another Stack Exchange site that may be able to help you: electronics.stackexchange.com

@GeorgeEdison i am the initial member there, have posted their but no luck

@GeorgeEdison i was a member when it had a much more awesome name "chiphacker" wonder why they changed that

8:13 AM

@Rick_2047 I can explain that.

Originally, the site was a Stack Exchange 1.0 site and the owners would have been paying quite a bit to use the Stack Exchange software powering it.

Then Stack Exchange 2.0 came out and all of the existing SE sites were either migrated to SE 2.0 or eventually closed down.

ChipHacker was one of them.

i know all that, but why do we have to have such a lame name

There was quite a ruffle about that and I remember it vividly.

It happened when Web Apps went public with a new name and in less than 24 hours, it was reverted to its original name, 'Web Apps'.

It was decided that for consistency that the names would only be used if certain traffic levels were met.

That's why we have 'Ask Ubuntu'... in fact, we're the only SE 2.0 site with its own domain name.

We have the most traffic of all SE 2.0 sites.

that is not fair :(

Why not?

chiphacker is a fine site with excellent people, we have less traffic as EE groups are not usually that online compared to software groups

and it just sounds cooler to refer to someone to "chiphacker.com" rather than electronics.stackexchange.com

8:18 AM

Well, I sort of agree... but I really have no control over that.

I'm just explaining the facts.

@GeorgeEdison hey I am not blaming you, I am also stating a fact.

meta.chiphacker.com also had many complains on this

Yeah, I know :( I like the site itself though.

I just got an Arduino yesterday and I've gotten some help already from people there.

yeah people are awesome though

Yup, they sure are.

@GeorgeEdison you a software dev?

8:21 AM

Yes.

I work mostly with C++ and PHP.

...though I've worked with other things on occasion: everything from Perl to x86 assembly.

I am usually against arduino for EE people

Why?

it takes too much away in name of convenience

True, but for those of us who are just starting...

you don't get the power of C and don't get to use many hardware features

8:23 AM

Well, it's not bad for someone just starting, believe me :)

(Starting with electronics, not programming of course.)

I'll show you what I made yesterday.

Arduino communicating with Qt

yesterday, 6 minutes total – 4 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked yesterday by George Edison

I wrote a C++ app that sent a number over serial to the Arduino, which set the LED brightness accordingly.

So as you can see in the GUI, I can drag the slider and the LED will get darker / brighter.

you could also do that with a normal AVR

Right, but this was my first really useful circuit.

I started off like 3 years ago,there was no arduino back the, and I was able to do everything on a general purpose PCB

you missout on a lot of learnings

Well, I'm not really trying to make a career out of it.

It's just a hobby.

actually arduino is a top - down learning mechanism and I prefer bottom to up

I am a student but yes I am in electrical engineering, its still a hobby

8:27 AM

Well, it's past 1 AM here, time to call it a night.

Night all.

@GeorgeEdison Goodbye!

^---- That's my chat bot, by the way.

It's programmed to do that.

@GeorgeEdison gud night

its past 2PM here time to catch a snack

no comment on that @FlackBot? thought so

@Rick_2047 I'm not that smart - I haven't learned that command quite yet.

@FlackBot yes I am smarter than you ha ha ha

8:29 AM

@Rick_2047 I'm afraid I don't know how to answer that command yet.

was I just ego boosting myself by humiliating a chat bot? I need to get out more

poor me

8:47 AM

6 searches in 60s window :(

9:02 AM

good morning

9:29 AM

Reboot of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64bit AMD machine hangs 100% - possibly in mountall http://bit.ly/qlk9xD #bootfailure

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Hi @htorque :)

should I delete my workplace answer then?

I may have not understood the question...

... if it's a known bug :/

like Unity-2d in 11.10

> The dimensionality of the workspace settings is reflected in the "desktop expo"

so it works if he clicks the launcher item, but the workspace switcher overlay only shows one row

"unity 3d" uses a different workspace switcher which correctly reflects the setup

Desktop expo is Compiz, isn't it?

Compiz does not run in my VBox

well, if -2d doesn't use compiz then it's not coming from compiz :P

that was my thinking - that's also why I may have not understood the Q

I see - it's the keyboard thing they mean - well then

9:54 AM

yeah, in unity it's

in -2d like he posted

yeah but they posted Compiz settings - that made me confuse :P

(and my unity2d looks different to them)

They are running Unity-2d and Compiz then...

> So I've subscribed for the bug notifications and hope the issue gets fixed soon!

even if it gets fixed soon, it won't be backported i guess

but i don't wanna tell

;)