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12:12 AM
@JorgeCastro: I finally put something together to send to the mailing list and sent it a few moments ago.
 
jrg
/me reads George's email
 
...er it arrived?
I still haven't got my copy yet :P
 
12:32 AM
@GeorgeEdison FWIW, I'm strongly in favour of putting the lens & related pieces into the ubuntu archive rather than going via ARB, now that you're wanting to add on these extra services as dependencies
 
jrg
Yeah, I got it.
 
not my call to make, though :)
 
jrg
I don't think you're supposed to get a copy of your own email... :P
 
@ajmitch Thank you.
@jrg Most mailing lists email me a copy too so I was expecting one.
 
jrg
The Ubuntu ones have never done that for me.
 
12:34 AM
The lens by itself would most likely be fine for extras.ubuntu.com, I'd already said that there are exceptions for /opt for files that need to live in /usr. The problem now is more likely to be having network daemons
 
@ajmitch Why is that a problem (just curious)?
 
Because it seems to be contrary to the intention of what goes into extras.ubuntu.com, this is just based on reading suggested security checklists for review, etc
I think that if it's the case, then there needs to be a clarification on developer.ubuntu.com at least, to say what sort of packages are reasonable
 
I see. Does it help that the server is designed to only be accessible over the loopback interface?
(I'll have to talk to Stefano to make sure this is indeed the case.)
 
I could be wrong about it, it's not like I have any special insight :)
One sec, trying to find a draft security checklist that was put together
wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/SecurityChecklist was what I was basing my opinion from
This needs to be sorted out with the ARB, maybe to clarify the scope of what apps are acceptable
 
Hmm... it will be interesting to hear the result.
 
12:42 AM
Yeah, I'm still about as confused as anyone else is about the whole thing :)
@JorgeCastro may know more
 
Off-topic but interesting:
^---- FlackBot's new interface.
 
jrg
:O
@GeorgeEdison theres your answer.
 
I might even have a prototype running by tomorrow.
 
jrg
Just have him in sandbox/2buntu, not here yet. ;P
 
Certainly not.
He is nowhere near ready for here.
 
12:49 AM
@GeorgeEdison right, so Allison is more or less saying what I did
 
Definitely the sandbox.
 
that was a quick answer from her
Now that we have some feedback on that, I suppose it's time to sponsor uploads to universe :)
 
Yeah.
So one minor question remains:
What about the data dump file that will need updating perhaps even weekly?
Should that one go through extras?
 
No, it can't
 
(After all, the package is already using /opt.)
@ajmitch Are we going to have to use plan B? (Stick it with the others and tell users to add our PPA for more frequent updates?)
 
12:52 AM
This sounds like the update process has to be external.
 
My suggestion remains what it previously was - ship a dump file, and have a separate directory to merge updates which you pull down with a cron job
Packages like clamav or spamassassin do this
 
@ajmitch Will these updates be packages or just files downloaded etc.?
 
Just files
 
What is it that needs weekly updates? The data dump files?
 
There's no real reason to have regularly built packages that you have to install, though you could still provide those as well if you wanted
Yes
Since the data dumps aren't executable data, it's not too much of a problem to just fetch them from cron
 
12:54 AM
@OctavianDamiean Well, it's not a requirement - it will just keep the server from taking 5 minutes to start :P
 
Why not have them synced via zsync to the client?
 
All of this is a possibility - I have a VPS we can use.
 
@OctavianDamiean technical details, doesn't really matter how you pull them
 
I would go that way.
 
The thing is... the format isn't really designed for merging - it would be easier to just have the cron job grab a new file.
They're only about 1.6MB or so compressed.
 
12:57 AM
Why a cron job?
 
Barely large enough to count for most people - but this is something you want to make an option
@OctavianDamiean because it's simple
 
Hold on are we talking about updating the audataserver with new data dump data?
 
@OctavianDamiean The data dump index.
 
@OctavianDamiean the data for it - what did you think we were discussing?
 
The actual index file that contains the question titles / pre-computed search indices, etc.
 
12:58 AM
Alright then it of course makes sense. :D
 
@OctavianDamiean we're not talking about updating the code, just the data
 
Can the cron job run as root (is this wise)? The reason being - it should be writing the files it downloads to a folder accessible to all users (root, most importantly).
 
Yea I got that I was just thinking about a case that doesn't even exist in this project. Nevermind. :)
 
@GeorgeEdison that'd be the whole point
write the data into /var/cache or similar
 
Perfect.
And then it will rely on file timestamps / whatnot to determine where the most up-to-date index is each time it starts.
That can easily be implemented.
 
1:13 AM
Given that the lens can work without the local data server, what other changes need to be done before it's ready for universe?
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A: How to package an application that contains a binary that needs to be in $PATH?

ajmitchPackages that are submitted for extras.ubuntu.com cannot install binaries that are intended to be accessible from the default $PATH - they are meant to be relatively lightweight GUI applications. This excludes installing Upstart services or other files into /etc. The restrictions on files were m...

I thought i should write up that email as an answer for here
 
1:35 AM
Good idea.
@ajmitch For the lens itself?
I'll quickly run Lintian on it.
 
@JorgeCastro Victory Chat charm!!
 
Sorry - 5 minute delay while my VM installs some dev. packages.
Actually... hang on a second.
I'm not sure some of these packages are really necessary for building.
 
@GeorgeEdison I was thinking more of upstream code changes for the lens - seeing if there are any plans
if there are packaging problems I can sort them out
 
Well... we would like to see the other searches performed locally as well.
(Users, tags, etc.)
Not only that, but if there was a way to embed the post body in the index file, then it would be possible to search and view the questions offline.
 
1:51 AM
/me seeks @Marco
Not an Answer flags have been entered into the queue :P
 
I know, I'm in the queue :)
 
/me is kind of tired of flagging to get things closed :/
for dupes and what not]
 
/you should get more rep
 
/me should :P
 
@GeorgeEdison right, things that'd be really nice to have, but do you want those implemented before the lens is uploaded to ubuntu?
 
1:56 AM
although i could just stick to flagging until my flag weight is huge :P
 
@MarcoCeppi oh mighty moderator, are you handing out free rep?
 
@ajmitch dont think so :p\
 
Darn
 
Nay, ye followers of the ask. Reputation will come to those who earn it :")
 
I finally got over the 4k mark this week
 
1:57 AM
congrats!
 
i am however handing out free bytes :P
 
next milestone, 5k...
 
\o/
 
0
A: Where is the SSH Server Fingerprint generated/stored?

The Evil Onessh-keygen does not generate teh SSH fingerprint at your server. That is generated by the SSH server. ssh-keygen creates a public/private key pair for your system that you can later use to access your SSH server without having to transmit a plain-text passcode to the server. The fingerprint of...

anyone got any suggestions?
 
yep
was about to answer it
 
2:07 AM
you're free to suggest how to improve mine
(or upvote it if its at least partially correct)
 
@ajmitch Not really.
 
@TheEvilOne answered, and I upvoted yours as well :)
since your answer was at least useful for the user part
 
Great answer: What different DE's / shells are available? http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-different-des-shells-are-available/65108#65108 #softwarerecommendation
 
0
A: Where is the SSH Server Fingerprint generated/stored?

ajmitchSSH host keys are stored in /etc/ssh/, which you generally do not need to choose. These keys were generated when the openssh-server package was installed. You can list the fingerprint of the keys by ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh_host_key.pub though you will need to repeat this for each public key.

I think that should answer their question
 
2:44 AM
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Q: Cannot connect to Samba shares after reinstall

Jay SheridanI have a home file server on which I have recently reinstalled the OS. I replaced Ubuntu Server 10.04.2 32-bit with 10.04.3 64-bit due to hardware upgrades. I've copied my previous Samba configuration over, recreated the share user, and made sure the permissions for the shared directories, on ano...

 
grrr, charms
 
@MarcoCeppi how was UDS?
 
FANTASTIC
 
geekgasm x 10?
 
A lot of work though
 
2:51 AM
patiently waits for promised report :)
 
@MarcoCeppi i need to talk to you at some point regarding business.
 
Interesting bug in Qt Creator: JavaScript files with nothing but comments cause a syntax error in the editor :P
 
3:30 AM
@MarcoCeppi nice info drop on LoCo's using AU to find local experts.
 
That was cprofit's idea, I think it's an excellent idea regardless
 
there are so many uses of this data beyond just "i have x problem, there are y answers", the fact we are scraping the META from all that data and augmenting the ubuntu sphere is pretty epic in my eyes. I <3 learning things like this.
 
totally, there was an idea to map all the data in open street to show geo locations and help loco users target them for answeres
since you can put a location in your profile
 
not that there are a lot of people in my area on askubuntu... :)
I know of maybe 1 or two others from this city who are registered on this site
 
true story, i finally made it to a WPLUG meetup and I discovered they are a bunch of BSD purists, so i got the typical linux noob treatment, until i pointed out on their wiki they have ubuntu install days. Trolls hate it when you DNFTT with their own data. :P
+1 for ubuntu being used everywhere for linux install fests
 
3:35 AM
BSD people are smarter?
 
i thnk they are troll'ier, at least in this instance.
 
@JorgeCastro hi!
 
BSD...1990slinuxguy IRL
 
JorgeCastro come with me to the next ubuntu install fest with #wplug. I'll point them out and we can pick fun of their distribution and licensing choice. Reverse troll the trolls.
 
3:48 AM
well
you met BSD people IRL, I've only ever met like one
 
Gotta know where to look. Most of them came from Collaborative Fusion, a govt subsidized company full of kids from Carnegie Mellon, and they are FBSD zealots. and i mean, z-e-a-l-o-t-s
i used to consider myself a BSD guy because i was fluent in recompiling the userland and kernel with a custom config, and trouble shooting ports issues, then along came the CF sysadmin dweebs with something to troll about. I'm a bit bitter if you couldn't tell. Needless to say, i'm happy being a linux noob to them. its better this way, id ont have to listen to them.
Maybe i'm being a bit over-generalized on them being zealots, it was a pair of idiots thats all, cant blame the entire company, or the LUG for them. I'll continue to brood silently over the idiots raining on my parade.
 
If I source a bash script inside a bash script which sources another bash script
all those variable definitions should be present in the parent thread, right?
 
depends on the scope in which they are declared.
but if they are global, then yes. they should be.
 
It's all bash, I thought so. Time to run echo statements everywhere
 
Actually, are you doing any piping in the sub script? if so, you may run into bash running sub-shells
 
3:58 AM
nope
just defining variables
 
ok, then yeah you should be golden.
 
@JorgeCastro was the BSD user as bad as gentoo fanboys were?
 
No, they're worse. :)
 
oh dear
I see that funroll-loops.info is still live
 
yeah but it was abandoned a long time ago
 
3:59 AM
Hi, guys! I was wondering if anybody could tell me what does the down-right "hot corner" does in ubuntu with gnome 3
 
Not surprising
 
but then I was told by a gentoo developer that gentoo developers now maintain it
which is awesome
 
heh
 
It raises a bar, but I'm not sure what it's for.
 
hahaha, what r ur cflags? zomg so fast
facepalms
 
4:01 AM
@Trufa I think that's where applications can put icons
is it like a half transparent thing?
 
@Trufa its the messaging bar, you'll see notifications pop up there and you can chat with it and what not.
its the equivalent to the system notification bar in gnome-panel with some added features.
 
@lazyPower cool!
@JorgeCastro yes! exactly that
I was trying to drag things to it
 
to see how it works
sign into IM
 
Strange that it pops up even if it has nothing on it
 
and have someone message you
 
4:02 AM
@JorgeCastro I will :)
 
@JorgeCastro stop ninja'ing me :P i was typing that.
 
hehe
 
Nevermind, i googled it and its flame bait
 
@lazyPower the cool kids use arch these days
 
i'm bein flame bait, i'll stfu now. g'night everybody
 
4:15 AM
Hello all
 
4:25 AM
@jrg IRC, pl0x
 
Lol.
@MarcoCeppi: You might want to do something about this user:
-1
A: Network is not working nicely

OleksaTry to disable IPv6 if you are not using it.

-1
A: viao wireless is slow

OleksaIf you're bot using ipv6 disable it. It might help you.

 
WTH?
 
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Q: Is the sloppy windows focus not working as it should?

TrufaI am using ubuntu 11.10, with gnome3. I installed gnome-tweak-tool, in the windows menu, I selected windowos focus mode: Sloppy. I had never heard of it before but according to wikipedia sloppy focus means: The sloppyfocus model is a variant of the followfocus model. It allows input to cont...

 
@Trufa Awesome Gravatar!
 
@AmithKK thanks! :)
I should change it now though
I am back on ubuntu for now
 
4:34 AM
LOL
user image
2
 
5:25 AM
@GeorgeEdison so far the stack applet is working fine! thanks
 
@jokerdino Oh, that's great!
So I'll probably release 1.5 by the end of the month.
 
Bounty offered: Desktop doesn't remember brightness settings after a reboot http://askubuntu.com/questions/3841/desktop-doesnt-remember-brightness-settings-after-a-reboot #brightness
 
oh the desktop never remembered it
 
5:47 AM
@GeorgeEdison I found the self notifier bug again...
 
6:22 AM
@Alvar So what's the bug... just that it notifies you of comments on your questions / answers?
 
yes it does
but is that a bug?
 
Well.... yes and no.
It isn't really unexpected based on the current code.
...but it probably should be accounted for.
 
i also want to see updates about favourited questions
 
@GeorgeEdison my own questions at my own comments :P
 
oh those
you comment on your question and you get notif? haha
 
6:36 AM
Yeah, that should be addressed in the next version.
 
morning
 
morning
actually afternoon here
 
\o/ 800 moderation flags :D
 
grats!
 
yeah, why can't the earth be flat? :D
 
6:39 AM
lol i wish
 
@jokerdino hehe, thanks, not really something to celebrate, but i'm surprised how fast that number raises. :)
 
i guess too many trolls these days
 
naaa, it's mostly people using this platform as forum.
 
@htorque Maybe this platform needs a forum. =)
 
50% "me too", 50% conversation
it has → ubuntuforums.org for everything you want to discuss
 
6:44 AM
@htorque That's both funny and sad.
 
yeah true that.
 
@FlackBot: Please repeat this statement.
 
George Edison wrote: "@FlackBot: Please repeat this statement."
 
it is quite clear in the name "askubuntu"
nice work George!
 
That was just a short test.
I promise you won't see any more testing here.
 
6:45 AM
wah. i want a useful flack bot around
so i can entertain myself XD
 
image not found
 
/me thinks it's ironic that we can get bots in this chat system, but /me actions don't work yet. =P
 
what image?
 
Just a CSRF test :)
 
oh, thanks for telling us AFTER the test :D
 
6:47 AM
haha
 
bbl
 
@RandolfRichardson They do with this script.
I use it all the time.
 
@GeorgeEdison I've seen that before. The "/me" prefix really should be built-in, and cause the output to show up a bit differently so that people will know that it really is an action.
"/me" is used regularly in IRC, and various other chat systems, and I've seen many folks use it in these Stack Exchange chat systems too -- just look to your right for an example of someone using it in one of the recently starred questions. =)
But, it's also not the end of the world if this doesn't get programmed into the system.
 
Yeah, it would make a nice built-in feature.
But that script is quite awesome - it adds a bunch of keyboard shortcuts and stuff.
 
@GeorgeEdison Definitely, keeping the script is a good thing (especially because someone/some-people likely put a lot of time and effort into making it work). Built-in also makes sense for the "/me" action.
 
 
2 hours later…
8:35 AM
Can you answer this? Higher screen resolution for VirtualBox? http://askubuntu.com/questions/73589/higher-screen-resolution-for-virtualbox #xorg
 
9:14 AM
Hello all
 
hi
 
/star 4444
 
help you help me
 
9:44 AM
Whoa! awesome UserScript, try upvoting me
 
hm what?
 
Morning.
 
evening here >.<
 
@OctavianDamiean Afternoon
 
Oli
Argl the site... she goes boom.
 
9:53 AM
Its Steve Balmer!
 
whats with microsoft?
 
@jokerdino AskUbuntu is Down!!
 
aaah
i just checked :s
why oh why
 
@Oli Will i get back my answer when it comes back
 
hi @hhlp
 
9:55 AM
hi o/
 
Hi @hhlp
SE is down
 
Oli
Yeah.
 
yep
 
all SE sites are down, except meta.so
 
lets wait a while
 
OR we just wait a couple of minutes ...
 
Oli
They already know. They're already fixing it.
 
@Oli Proof? :)
 
Oli
I've been talking to the person fixing things.
 
Oli
10:04 AM
Right they've found the problem. Everything should be up soon.
 
Oli
I'll ask.
 
in Root Access, 8 mins ago, by DMA57361
they're aware it didn't go to plan...
We're Back!
 
yay
 
10:08 AM
The su peeps have a new badge superuser.com/badges/129/reviewer
 
we have too
 
10:33 AM
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Q: GTK2 source code from repositories has an error and does not compile

Eren TantekinHow is this possible? I download the source code for GTK2, try to compile it but it has an error. sudo apt-get source libgtk2.0-0 sudo apt-get build-dep libgtk2.0-0 cd gtk+2.0-2.24.6/ ./configure --prefix=/usr make And I get an error: In file included from gtkquery.c:26:0: gtkquery.h:31:...

can anyone please help? i just cannot seem to compile gtk2 source
what i do works for gtk3 but not gtk2
 
10:54 AM
i get thousands of dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to ....
 
why on earth wouldn't i be able to connect to this chat server when all the other internets works just fine? :-/
after a restart everything's fine.
 
you are?
youre speaking now
oh ok
servers were down
maybe related to that
 
because i just rebooted. it suddenly showed connection issues in chat and then i was no longer able to connect. askubuntu.com works fine, chat.stackexchange.com was ping-able.
 
anyway how do i compile libgtk2 ???
to me askubuntu wasnt working either
 
nope, i had this problem the whole day yesterday before i was able to reboot :-/
 
10:56 AM
weird
 
that all worked fine here. i even could ping the chat's ip.
going to the networkmanager's logs now, maybe i find something there. ?:-)
maybe someone hacked me! :D
"you no connect to askubuntu chat - for the lulz!"
 
hahah
a microsoft fanboy
hacked you
guys help me!
i cant compile gtk2
 
11:39 AM
Need to restore default 11.10 graphics. How do I do it? http://askubuntu.com/questions/76438/need-to-restore-default-11-10-graphics-how-do-i-do-it #graphics
 
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Q: How to compile GTK2 source code

Eren TantekinHow is this possible? I download the source code for GTK2, try to compile it but it has an error. sudo apt-get source libgtk2.0-0 sudo apt-get build-dep libgtk2.0-0 cd gtk+2.0-2.24.6/ ./configure --prefix=/usr make And I get an error: In file included from gtkquery.c:26:0: gtkquery.h:31:...

 
jrg
11:54 AM
Ok, time to go back to my evil ways of quad booting.
 
12:29 PM
quad?
cool
 
1:13 PM
anyone here used wireless net at starbucks?
 
jrg
I've used it here in the US.
 
is it wpa2 secured?
 
jrg
Nope.
 
:-o
 
jrg
It's free and put together by a coffee shop chain, not an IT firm - what do you expect :P
 
1:15 PM
i thought that you get a pwd printed on your receipt, woooo
 
jrg
There's an interesting idea...
 
i hope they don't kill my internet on friday (like i've indirectly told them to :P), else my online streak is in danger. :D
found some local reviews and seems we have free wlan too \o/
 
jrg
Is there a userscript that checks the suggested edits and displays a notification, like the mod tools do?
 
now i just have to punch myself in the face a couple of times till i'm ready to pay for overprized coffee. :P
 
jrg
Good luck with that. :D
 
1:26 PM
i can help you with that :D
the punching part, not paying for coffee
 
too bad :P
 
1:40 PM
@jrg suggested edits show up for those with X rep
 
5k rep
 
lo
anyone ever partitioned by command line?
 
never did
 
afk for a bit
 

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