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7:00 PM
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Horrible Fates of non-free Software

8 mins ago, 7 minutes total – 26 messages, 4 users, 2 stars

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@Oxwivi ^--- There you go.
 
jrg
@GeorgeEdison Ah, bookmarked for eternity. :D
 
I bookmarked Jorge, Robot, Council and Punishment until my Joe line.
 
jrg
@RolandTaylor oy, check the 2buntu room please?
Is there a free (as in beer and freedom) web-based SSH client?
 
7:08 PM
I think so... hang on.
It uses AJAX and everything.
 
jrg
Can't install that on my own server though.
 
@jrg coming
 
jrg
@RolandTaylor Nevermind, George confirmed my thing was working.
 
hello
 
Is Jorge Castro a Robot? http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1900/is-jorge-castro-a-robot
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7:17 PM
@rabidmachine9 hi ;)
 
I'm looking for a way to keep my terminal always on front
can you suggest something?
@Explorer hi!
 
jrg
@rabidmachine9 what's up? :)
 
@rabidmachine9 right click doesn't work?
keep in launcher
 
that's great!
I come from mac...
I didn't expect it to be that easy...
 
7:20 PM
also
I see that there are lot's of programs you can use to access terminal
is there anyone I should try ?
 
jrg
Yeah, there are a bunch of terminal emulators.
 
gnome-terminal does it all for me... but cli-companion is pretty awesome
 
jrg
I normally use either terminator or gnome-terminal
@RolandTaylor never played with cli-companion... Is it like Clippy?
 
Nope :P
it's like a mothership with hidden battle cruisers
 
jrg
Whoa, that's some cool stuff there.
 
7:27 PM
after I had my terminal always on top(3 minutes ago)....
I can't even move it right or left
is that normal?
 
jrg
@rabidmachine9 Ubuntu 2D or Ubuntu 3D?
 
mouse clicks to whatever is behind it
2D I guess
 
jrg
Also, do you have multiple monitors?
 
no fancy graphics or anything
no multiple monitors
11.10 64bit
 
@rabidmachine9 You don't need all those alternatives unless you really live in the terminal.
 
jrg
7:29 PM
Hm.... Almost sounds like this bug I was looking at last week, but it only affects multiple monitors... :(
 
seems like a bug yes
now I can't even close terminal :P
how do I force quit ?
 
jrg
Can you use Alt-Tab to switch to the terminal window?
 
ok it stoped
it only does it when Software Center is open
strange
 
not sure
I had chosen my terminal to be always on top
 
7:37 PM
Are you a member of babbel community? @jrg or @JorgeCastro
 
but I couldn;t move it after that
 
jrg
@Explorer Nope.
@rabidmachine9 I'd suggest asking on the site. It might be a bug, might be a feature that was configured wrong.
 
what is babel ?
@jrg thanks!
 
"jorge_20 wants to add you as a friend on Babbel." I thought it was you
 
jrg
You're welcome. :)
@Explorer sounds like another guy. Jorge is either castrojo or jcastro.
 
7:41 PM
what? there is more than one jorge? that would explain a lot of things! :D
 
@rabidmachine9 a community like AU but about languages
 
stack exchange also?
 
no
@rabidmachine9 I don't have such a problem, I move it easily and I can close it. not related to keep it there, I guess
 
yeah it's a strange bug
do you also use Unity ?
 
yeah
 
7:57 PM
@htorque jorge isn't an uncommon name, but there's only one rockstar jorge castro
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how do I find out?
 
:)
 
8:17 PM
night
 
Good night, @Explorer
Gotta go myself soon.
 
jrg
Hear hear @ajmitch.
 
Nighty all.
 
jrg
Night @Oxwivi.
 
@GeorgeEdison Around?
 
8:40 PM
not possible to "add image from pc" anymore when posting an answer?
 
there's been some imgur problems
 
ok, np, already using it to post images from there. do you know if that will be fixed?
that is a major bummer, if the users start using pesky image hosting sites that disable the images according to the amount of traffic askubuntu will have a lot of red crosses soon!
 
9:07 PM
lots of "reinstalled 11.10 and now everything works fine" answers... :-/
 
@htorque best described as "upgraded to 11.10 and all hell broke loose!" questions :P
 
Oli
@htorque Yes, I'd noticed that. The move from Gnome2 to Gnome3 broke a lot of things for a lot of people.
 
Question: why do ppl upgrade if all is working good at the moment?
 
because they want the new firefox i guess :P
 
Oli
@brunopereira81 Because Update Manager bitches at them that there's a new release.
@htorque (that's not the case anymore - new firefox versions are considered security updates now - so you'll get new major versions even if you stick with an older Ubuntu)
 
9:10 PM
the strange thing: the transition didn't really cause any trouble during the cycle
 
@Oli yeah, lol, have to disable that crap asap, the "warn me later button" is bugged!
 
a very annoying update manager pop up, too
 
@Oli that's nice (if i were a firefox user :P)
 
@htorque dam pesky new features! all works fine! dont give me more crap! dont need it, dont want to hear about it! makes want to upgrade!
 
Oli
@htorque Not sure what the policy is on Chrome/Chromium. I'm a PPA user so official policy doesn't really affect me.
 
9:11 PM
"Hey, Precise development just started. Do you want to upgrade?" :D
 
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
eeeew, PPA! ;)
 
just fixed my canon MP screen, feeling important!
 
Oli
Cannon MP?
 
now with extra gunpowder
 
9:14 PM
@Oli Wut??? (looks surprised and pretends not edit was made)
 
Oli
@brunopereira81 I'm still oblivious. What's a Canon MP?
Other than being something made by Canon.
So I guess it's either a printer or a camera.
 
multifunctionprinterthingy?
 
Oli
Or a pony. Everybody forgets that Canon breeds ponies.
 
Oli
Wonders how many people are Googling "Canon pony" right now
 
9:16 PM
yeah multicrappyprinterthingamaging
<- at least one
thought there was a badge for +400 flag score :(
 
i want that
 
jrg
@htorque That sounds worse than spam.
Or even better, I can't decide.
 
looks better, though
 
Oli
Nothing is worse than spam. I'd rather eat cat food.
 
jrg
Hey, once you soak it in water, burn it to a crisp and then add in some spices it isn't half-bad.
(coming from a guy who had not choice but to eat spam twice a week for a month (long story, don't ask lol))
 
9:20 PM
@brunopereira81 there's one for 500+, and for 749 flag weight
 
Oli
@jrg How can you say "don't ask" to that?!
 
@ajmitch thx! must work harder!
 
when you are in military service, you learn to love that canned crap :D
 
jrg
@Oli You seriously want to know?! :O
 
Oli
9:22 PM
@jrg Why somebody had to eat canned arse twice a week, sure
 
jrg
I was on camp staff for 4 weeks. I taught the wilderness survival badge. As part of that, we had a outpost every week where we had a can of spam, an orange and a raw egg, and we had to build a shelter, fire etc.
So that was one of the times I had to have spam.
The other time of the week was Tuesday night, when we had this horrible Salisbury steak, so we just had the leftover spam from the week before instead. :P
@Oli happier now?! :D
 
you are bear grylls?
 
jrg
haha no way.
 
He didn't say that he drank urine :P
 
jrg
ROFL.
 
Oli
9:26 PM
Because everybody knows spam is one of the easiest things to find out the in wild. You can barely move for the spam trees. Some states classify them as weeds and locals are allowed to shoot at them. In Mexico they have an annual "Running of the Spam" where a guy dresses up in an oversized- Spam can and children chase him.
 
crap water enema. that's when i stopped watching that show.
 
jrg
@Oli My boss picked the food for the outpost, not me. :D
 
Oli
Yeah you wouldn't pick spam if you were the one that had to eat it.
 
jrg
Eh, the boss went with us too.
 
Oli
You'd pick lobster and asparagus (ironically two things you can find in the wild)
 
jrg
9:28 PM
Pretty sure he had a box of crackers in his bag or something, we (the under 18 staff) never saw him actually eat spam.
If I had half a silver badge for every bronze badge I have, and then half a gold badge for every silver badge I'd then have, I'd have almost all the gold badges. :D
Too bad the system doesn't work like that.
 
to bad you can only buy wow gold and not gold badges :P
 
jrg
:P
 
1
A: Is there an SD Card diagnostic utility?

brunopereira81Look for Disk Utility on you dash Click on the disk you want information from, to test it click on Benchmark To start benchmark, select Read only or Read/Write benchmark

 
and why does it list that area 51 and beta badges - i can't get those.
 
have a german guy complaining about a english solution to something :S
lucky me he is not chinese
 
9:36 PM
that's really true?
going to try that
 
Oli
Why do we have screenshots of people finding things in the dashboard? Seems like an epic waste of vertical page.
 
get hardware with a sane resolution :P
 
@Oli You know i like to make simple things complicated...
@Oli well, I agree, I would not use screenshots at all, but ppl seem to like it :S
 
really, it's either 'palimpsest' or 'Laufwerksverwaltung'
 
@htorque lol
 
9:39 PM
yippee, I like it when people actually accept answers to questions that were answered weeks ago
3
 
Oli
It's not just you. There's a thread I keep seeing that has four or five different how-tos and half the page is taken up with silly "this is how you click a mouse"-level screenshots. I think with something as basic as finding an application - you have to assume a certain level capability if you can't assume that, that information should be normalised out to another Question that deals specifically with "How do I click my mouse in Ubuntu?" and link to it.
 
@ajmitch it doesn't happen often, but it happens. :-)
 
I've still got a few of my answers that aren't accepted, but overall I think I've done fairly well
 
to be fair, lots of questions sound like that level of detail is necessary ;-)
 
@Oli for some ppl it seems to be the solution... "Answer: look in your dash for...">comment 1 min later>"Dash????"
 
9:41 PM
I gave an answer like that a couple of days ago - but it was screenshots of specific parts of launchpad :)
and we know that LP isn't always the easiest to navigate
 
@ajmitch Answered 59 questions (38 accepted answers, 64.41%) → that's pretty good
 
I'd like to think that askubuntu.com/questions/69104/… was just the right amount of context for the answer
 
Oli
@brunopereira81 But even then you're only giving them half the answer. You either need to step them through every part (click the Ubuntu icon, type in the search box).. In that latest answer you just say "Look for Disk Utility on you dash" and a screenshot of that accomplished - which doesn't really help anybody.
 
@htorque yeah I don't answer many :)
 
Oli
Made worse by the debranding of applications meaning that (as your commentor says) Disk Utility is not the real name of the application. If you want everybody to be in the same place you need to get people to type palimpsest
 
9:43 PM
but the answers your write are obviously good :-)
 
@htorque most of them, I hope
 
Oli
@LuisAlvarado can you hop in chat please?
 
it's what the site is meant to be about, providing decent answers :P
 
what? no! it's all about rep and badges.
 
@oli so the solution for that answer in your opinion will be just: press alt+f2 and type palimpsest?
 
9:45 PM
one year and you still don't know that
:D
 
of course it's just about rep & badges
 
(how do you check your answers accept rate?)
 
Oli
@brunopereira81 I don't know - I'm ranting. It certainly seems like an idea.
 
I need my shiny rep ;)
 
Oli
@brunopereira81 How many of your answers were accepted?
 
9:46 PM
@Oli yeah
 
@brunopereira81 i used stackstats from StefanoPalazzo - let me find a link
16
A: Tools for Ask Ubuntu

Stefano PalazzoFor everybody who can't get enough of the numbers, there's now StackStats Great name, I know :P Usage: Download the script from Here and save it somewhere Execute it like this: python /home/username/stackstats.py --site=askubuntu.com --user=41 Where /home/username/stackstats.py is the ...

 
that meta post doesn't even have the lens!
 
add it
 
effort...
 
at what time do the spam posts start? i still need 8 points for the badge :D
 
9:51 PM
@Oli I agree with what the guy said on the comment, its true and obvious that typing will be faster and skips the translation issues but some users really want a step by step guide, i can supply that in English (done), I will not change to another language to supply screenshots with translate images... :S we have to be reasonable no? Both my native and current coutry languages are not English, if I ask something I wont be demanding that you solve it in my language!
@Oli Im just ranting also... ;)
 
@htorque I'll just write a few spam answers for you, shall I?
 
\o/
 
it'll only cost me 100 rep per answer & probably a banning from the site :)
 
Oli
Though I'm not sure that's right because it says mine is 42 and I'm not that good.
 
Oh wow, not as good as expected :(
 
9:54 PM
but that totally lags behind :P
@Oli yours is 41.48%, but you got more answers accepted than i answered, so... :D
 
Oli
@htorque Does it? I can't imagine they'd want to host two copies of every SE site database.
 
oh not true, but close :P
it says 57.31%, when it's really 57.88% for me
(i'm not going to count the green icons on my profile :P)
 
I obviously need to troll for rep a bit more by writing up some answers
< 60 answers over the course of a year is pretty poor :)
 
Nervous, going up for membership in a few hoursw
 
why are YOU nervous? :D
 
10:04 PM
because I'll be there talking about what a bad person he is
ruling with an iron fist, etc
 
Oli
@MarcoCeppi Need any cheerleaders in the IRC channel?
 
with jorge and ajmitch you got one rock star canonical employee and two ubuntu members on your side - what could possibly go wrong (except them running out of time :P)
 
I don't know, to be honest I'm not even sure how the IRC session will even go
 
@htorque say what?
@htorque I don't work for canonical :)
 
you're not working for canonical?
oh
 
10:06 PM
nope
you can go & downvote my answers now ;)
 
then it doesn't look too good for you, marco
hehehe
 
haha :D
 
Oli
@JorgeCastro I just declined a flag of yours in error. Misread the dupe title. :( I'm sorry
 
ubuntu membership is all about having the right connections (j/k :P)
 
@marco they typically just ask a few question, first making sure your contributions are sustained and substantial, then they dig a bit deeper into your specific contributions and ask about your plans for the future, and then they vote
but there might really be too many people on the list, they might ask you to put yourself up again next month
 
10:09 PM
they try & get the membership voting done pretty quickly
but yeah, it's a long queue today
 
@Oli thanks! now i got more flag weight than jorge :D
 
hah
 
(again: j/k :P)
 
poor jorge probably has to flag another hundred posts to get back to 749
 
Oli
That can be rectified. Can I borrow your iron fist, Marco?
 
10:12 PM
oh dear
I see a few of my flags weren't marked as helpful, I'm sad now :(
 
Hello
 
@ajmitch declined or disputed?
 
Hi Oli. Got your message
@Oli Am here
 
@htorque just not marked as helpful, like the account & post were deleted before the flag was reviewed
 
oh :(
 
Oli
10:13 PM
@LuisAlvarado Excellent (I didn't know if that would work). For the games thread could you make sure your answers are more than a name and a link? A short description and/or a small screenshot would make the whole thread a lot more useful for people deciding which games are worth trying.
 
probably because they were the same posts you flagged last night
 
Yes am adding more info for each by first am putting it in gedit
 
Oli
@LuisAlvarado Great, thank you
 
@ajmitch but it were recent flags, right? that "helpful" thing only started in april
 
with this format:

Title
Summary
The information that is there already
Screenshots
Source for code (git, svn, etc.. if it exists)
and amount of devs active for it
 
10:15 PM
@htorque yeah, flags in the last 24 hours
with the flood of spam we've had lately
 
Am going to make it with better quality since what is there is not much helpful for anybody yet
 
well, i'll go to sleep now, so you have around seven hours of spam hunting ;-)
@MarcoCeppi @jrg good luck!
good night all
 
Take care buddy
dream with hot girls
 
see you @htorque
 
and not hot men like last time
 
10:16 PM
@htorque yay, just what I wanted....
 
;-)
 
Can you answer this? Show banner at login with LightDM http://askubuntu.com/questions/68963/show-banner-at-login-with-lightdm #lightdm
 
Anybody having the same problem to upload images?
 
jrg
@htorque Thanks!
@LuisAlvarado Yeah, imgur is having issues.
 
I ok thanks
 
Oli
10:21 PM
Woooo ~40 flags dealt with.
 
Am still naked waiting for the clothes askubuntu was going to send me. Am the guy you see in the supermarket door asking for foo..clothes
Am only sending flags that I know are very wrong. If I have doubt I leave that puppy alone.
 
jrg
@LuisAlvarado flackoverflow? :D
 
hahahha
 
@StefanoPalazzo hi
have a minute?
 
Hi :) Sure what's up?
 
10:24 PM
someone introduces this to me to check my python codes
is it reliable if you know it?
 
well, static analysis tools are never really "reliable", but they can give you excellent feedback, and they protect you from making certain kinds of mistakes. PyChecker is great, but I don't think you need it
 
why not?
 
Anybody know of a tutorial for beginner of php framework symfony
 
it's a lot of complexity, and it destroys the simple run-edit-run debugging cycle. you're better off starting to do test-driven development
that is, if you want to write a certain function, first write a test-function that checks all kinds of inputs for the right outputs, and then modify your function until the test is successful
you can either use basic things such as the "assert" keyword, or dig into python unittesting facilities
 
right
i also have a code about to check whether the user is registered or not
 
10:30 PM
here's an example for a test-driven program:
def addition(a, b):
    return a + b

def test_addition():
    assert addition(-231, -34) == -265
    assert addition(384322, 43382281) == 43766603

if __name__ == '__main__':
    test_addition()
 
loading all users, then looping through them, to find the user
is there another less time consuming way to do it?
 
from a database?
 
yeah
 
you could just ("SELECT email, password FROM users WHERE email = ?", email)
 
@StefanoPalazzo that's neat, thanks
what does it do?
 
10:32 PM
basically the same :)
 
looping over 1 million users would be horribly inefficient compared to a single SQL query which can use an index
 
but databases like MySQL do some relational agebra magic to make those queries kind of fast
 
@StefanoPalazzo oh is it a where clause ?
 
yeah, I should do the old school capitalisation
are you using sqlite3?
 
yeah
 
10:35 PM
the module docs have some really good examples: docs.python.org/py3k/library/sqlite3
they also explain that you should do ("SELECT * FROM ?", table) instead of ("SELECT * FROM %s" % table), which is dangerous
 
great
thank you very much
 
no problem at all
 
Oli
Interacting directly with your database is so 1998. Use an ORM. It'll save you time, cut out silly errors and security flaws and the ladies love it.
 
I write all my database code in the database itself these days :)
 
ORMs are so 2005
 
Oli
10:38 PM
@StefanoPalazzo I'm actually in tears.
 
I write all my data to text files in /tmp
 
@MarcoCeppi that's not WebScale
 
thank you guys :)
 
unless you've got some distributed global filesystem for /tmp ?
 
@MarcoCeppi do you know about /dev/shm?
it's like /tmp, but in ram. Fedora and Ubuntu enable it by default. Rocking!
 
10:40 PM
Yeah, but my /tmp is mounted as a ramfs :)
tmpfs, ramfs - I can't remember which now.
 
@Oli I was half serious :)
 
Oli
Yeah I used to do video transcoding in /dev/shm before my uberSSD. It's not as fast as you'd hope RAM would be though
 
this is from victory chat:
{
   "_id": "_design/by_email",
   "_rev": "1-d3ed251c83c0181f5403cd0b6493eb22",
   "language": "javascript",
   "views": {
       "by_email": {
           "map": "function (doc) { emit(doc[\"email\"], doc[\"identity\"]); }"
       }
   }
}
 
Oli
@StefanoPalazzo As was I - there was only one tear.
 
passing around javascript functions like that just makes me wince a little bit
 
10:42 PM
tmpfs is even better :)
 
@ajmitch couchdb indexes this function, it's only passed around when you start VC for the first time
 
@Oli was it one of the bcm4311 ones?
 
@StefanoPalazzo it still seems a bit weird using JS for queries :)
 
@brunopereira81 the answer should also mention that you have to set the other key, "use-alternative-port"
 
10:45 PM
@StefanoPalazzo thx, true
 
Oli
@JorgeCastro Yeah - one of the other duplicate suggestions was for the 4313 and I guess I read that and exploded (again, my bad)
 
@ajmitch python works as well, but I use JS so users don't have to modify their couchdb config too much
 
@Oli yeah so basically there's a ton of crap if you search for bcm4311
your 4313 answer is awesome, but we don't have anything like that for 4311, they're all kind of crap
 
broadcom seems to be unfortunately popular
 
@StefanoPalazzo do you know someone who is learning python? i've got a bunch of questions
maybe we can find answer together. i have no one to ask from
 
Oli
10:47 PM
@ajmitch Is cheap.
 
@ajmitch popular = cheap
 
i just started to learn last month but need to be faster
 
@Explorer I don't, sorry. you can always ask me if I'm here of course
 
@Explorer stackoverflow is a great place to search
 
I could recommend a couple of great (free) books if you're interested
 
10:48 PM
pretty much anything you want gets answered there :)
 
maybe we should have a post on troublesome tags where people could go clean up
 
Well see you guys. Take care and have a good day/night/party/World invasion (if you are Jorge)
 
@ajmitch i've written about 26 questions one a piece of paper to ask , is it possible to ask them all there?
 
@StefanoPalazzo I'm done reading books
should write codes
 
10:49 PM
@Explorer search for them first on google, most will probably be answered
though half the time the trick is knowing the right thing to search for
 
@StefanoPalazzo thanks anyway
@ajmitch i did
that's why i asked @StefanoPalazzo
 
what kinds of questions are they?
 
they are something my last question, it's hard to find by googling
 
Oli
@JorgeCastro I'm going through some of them now. I'm closing them against 38327 which seems to have the best (most working) answer.
 
0
A: Troublesome tags that need cleaning up

Jorge Castrobroadcom - specifically questions having to do with BCM4311 need de duping.

 
10:52 PM
I got an update on the imgur issue. We'll have a fix in a day or two.
2
 
@brunopereira81 deleted
 
jrg
@Explorer @StefanoPalazzo test-driven-dev is pretty cool.
steep learning curve, but it's still cool.
 

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