Game Development

hasherr

00:02

Guitars.

Pip

Hey hashbrown

@Jon I can't help but think this is kind of dirty... fake static class.....

public class TileData
{
    private static TileData Mountain = new TileData("mountain", false, "Tiles/mountainTile");
    private static TileData Grassland = new TileData("grassland", true, "Tiles/grassTile");

    public static Dictionary<string, Sprite> sprites = new Dictionary<string, Sprite>();
    public static Dictionary<string, bool> isPassable = new Dictionary<string, bool>();

    private TileData(string name, bool isPassable, string spritePath)
    {
        TileData.sprites.Add(name, Resources.Load<Sprite>(spritePath));

Redesigning it now, to say no more :D

hasherr

@SpartanDonut You around?

Pip

Fix'd

Sup @hasherr?

Eyyy sprite loading and etc is all done once per type, instead of once per tile now

fantastic

And pathfinding works around the mountains now, as well

noice

@amitp Approval? :D

or not, cya :P

Anyone done whole scene serialization before? Should I actually serialize the whole scene or just the mutable parts? (Just comments for now, not actually implementing any time soon)

user4704

00:30

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Q: How can I avoid migrating the wrong sites on a mobile device?

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user4704

Bad mobile experience strikes again!

user4704

But it's okay folks.

user4704

Web apps are totally the future because you write them once and they work everywhere.

Almo

@SpartanDonut well i see a 12/5 draven :)

@IcyDefiance you here?

ooh looks like someone got a stackegg bot on pcg... it's just restarting over and over

Pip

00:55

lol

SpartanDonut

@hasherr sup home slice

hasherr

Having guitar issues

I'm terrified of tuning.

SpartanDonut

Well I can pretend to be helpful lol

Pip

Tuning is no fun :(

hasherr

I'm afraid it's going to go too tight and it'll snap

Pip

00:57

I've never had that happen before, but it's difficult to get perfect

SpartanDonut

Why this fear?

And my wife says "That's what she said"

hasherr

Because I already snapped one string today because I couldn't figure out how to string it

SpartanDonut

Ah

hasherr

and lately it's been really bad, I literally can't tune it out of fear

SpartanDonut

Yes

New strings - don't tune them too fast

you gotta break em in

hasherr

00:59

This is a new instrument

It's a Seagull Merlin

I also have no idea how to feel the tension in the strings

I keep anticipating it snapping but I have no idea

Plus it'll be really embarrassing if I have to go back and get more strings.

SpartanDonut

Lots of places will actually string them for you

perfectly legit if you have a fear of breaking the strings or the instrument

They could probably show you and even answer questions

hasherr

Yeah but I want to get over this fear so I can do this myself.

SpartanDonut

Sure

They can probably help with that :P

hasherr

And now I can't find my fucking tuner

And the one on my phone is really shitty

Joe

use the force bro

back in the day we relied on ~~freaks~~ people with talent with perfect pitch to tune instruments

SpartanDonut

01:03

This may sound like a silly question

hasherr

@SpartanDonut So what do I do if I have to tune it into an A, but it's at D and no matter how high I go it still won't go into an A?

Do I keep going up?

I'm scared that the string will break.

SpartanDonut

We are discussing here

We think its either 1) Wrong string on the note you're going for or 2) you bought a completely wrong pack of strings (not for your instrument) altogether

Or

3) You have it tuned to high and it should be at A below the D

hasherr

Yeah but the A below is so loose it hardly fits in the nuts.

SpartanDonut

Do you have all the strings on or just that one?

Can you link the strings you bought?

hasherr

Okay, hold on, let me clarify a few things.

I went to the guitar store to buy strings for my electric. I also bought a merlin while there because why the hell not

When I was putting the strings on my electric, a few broke because I'm an idiot who doesn't know what I"m doing

Now I'm trying to tune the Merlin correctly because it came out of the box with the wrong tuning and I'm scared I'm going to break it.

Seagull Merlin, Merlin's Guide to the Merlin - 01 Tuning the Merlin

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This is the video I'm trying to go along with but I don't want to break the fucking string

SpartanDonut

01:09

ok 1 sec

researching your guitar

hasherr

@SpartanDonut seagullguitars.com/seagull_merlin_handbook.pdf

Pip

@Hjorthenify I personally had stacks upon stacks upon stacks rather than heaps.

hasherr

I honestly don't know a thing about music, so a lot of that means nothing to me.

Fuck I'm honestly making this a million times worse

I just tuned it even worse

Deduplicator

@JoshPetrie: You mis-migrated this gamedev.stackexchange.com/posts/97510/revisions to meta-SO... can you correct it here?

SpartanDonut

You're tuning DADD right?

hasherr

01:17

Yeah

Almo

@SpartanDonut game of lol?

SpartanDonut

has the string unraveled at all?

@Almo in one

Almo

ok

hasherr

No.

SpartanDonut

What tuning did it come in?

Or was it just out of tune?

hasherr

01:23

Nevermind I got it

Just had to overcome my fear of tuning

SpartanDonut

lol

hasherr

Sorry for bugging you

SpartanDonut

okie dokie then

lol np

For new strings

take it slow, stretch em out

probably vids on that on youtube

Also there is such thing as a string stretcher

Joe

practice on some metal riffs and remember strings are the cheapest part, your supposed to break em

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I keep getting friend requests out of nowhere on Facebook. It's super weird.

Chris

01:35

so are you gonna befriend them?

:p

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I don't think so. :P

I already have loads of people I barely talk to. I should get my account cleaned up.

Chris

yeah it's not the same as having a chat with someone irl, randomly having a drink with a stranger or something

Joe

02:04

@Chris overall i felt 314 was solid... i thought the controls were real intuitive, club felt very good, navigating menus was ok, I did totaly expect to be able to touch menu options

maybe the weakest part was left hand walking i expected an on screen indicator to at least show my starting touch point

confused myself the first attempt but once i grasped what was happening it played just fine... hope this helps

oh as far as iPad Mini 2 performance was a piece of cake & "quick restart" is awesome

Chris

cool, thanks.

Joe

if you want i can try an old ipad and an iphone 4s friday, np just lmk

Chris

the left/right walking, I don't think I have it marking your initial TouchBegin point, so as soon as you roll your thumb the other direction it moves?

I think if you're idle/stationary it records that

Joe

so right now theres no indicator i could see for the left side touch

Chris

correct

Joe

02:13

i expected on touch to see a start point, so I would know how far i had to move my finger to change direction

idk if theres a better way to do this

Chris

hmm. for me, I end up dragging my thumb a fair ways sometimes

Joe

but thats what im used to at least

Chris

so if I'm moving right, thumb might move right a bit more than it needs to

but shit! I need to move left!

and I move my thumb left only a little bit and nothing happens

Joe

yea same here

Chris

but with this control scene

it remembers your last position, rather than the first?

if that makes sense?

Joe

02:14

hmm i didnt pick up on that

i found myself in the situation you just descrived

moving my thumb left after being walking right

and not turning left

because i assumed i didnt move my thumb enough

so ill stop assuming and generalize

Chris

yeah so at the moment you actually sort of have to drag or roll your thumb just a little bit

Joe

I was confused as to what my left touch was doing

Chris

but you reckon just touching?

touching the screen does nothing

have to "roll" the thumb a little bit to get it going

Joe

"roll" "touch" "drag" i was treating the screen as if there was an invisible virtual joy there

Chris

but hmm

Joe

02:16

because thats what i expected from touch platformers

if thats not the case its cool, but there was nothing i found to direct me otherwise

Chris

hmm. I will experiment

gotcha

maybe a couple of triangles

Joe

do a 3 second transparent on screen finger graphic to explain controls to first timers

Chris

aye

Joe

and you can leave it exactly as it

Pip

hmmm

Chris

02:18

can always option it. but yeah, expecting him to move if you just touch the screen, I'll revisit

Pip

I'm trying to do ribbon-like things with cellular automata. Not working well

:(

It'll work well for resource gen, not well for mountain gen

Chris

I can't remember if it was cuz I'd make him turn the wrong way accidentally more than I wanted

Joe

@Chris oh wait no no no

Chris

just the dragging indication then?

Joe

i experienced this

just as you described

so if I'm moving right, thumb might move right a bit more than it needs to
but shit! I need to move left!
and I move my thumb left only a little bit and nothing happens

Chris

02:20

cuz ya didn't drag do you think?

Joe

it was a drag, just poorly worded, I dont think a touch should move the character

Chris

my quote there was like my original control scheme :s

where if you had an imaginary start line

possibly determined by your first TouchBegin phase

Joe

thats how it felt to me ill rerun it again

Chris

and you'd move right a fair ways, but then want to go left but your thumb wasn't near the dividing line

Joe

i died dragging my thumb back left in the middle of dragging right, and my character continued moving right

Chris

02:23

okay I see now

Joe

and i said shit that sucked

Chris

yeah it looks like there's room for improvement

starting the drag from the very left, move your thumb right almost to the very screen centre, then left a little, still move right

Joe

might not be relevant... but i thought it would be nice to SEE on the screen where i needed to touch/drag my thumb to, in order to change direction

Chris

I think I agree, yeah I'll work on tidying this up tomorrow

thank you for testing :D

Joe

no problem dude the club is awesome

lol

Chris

02:26

does the camera zoom level feel okay?

user4704

@Deduplicator No.

Chris

cuz it's closer than the desktop version

Joe

@Chris yea I had no issues with that and didnt even notice

granted i didnt get as far as i usually do

Chris

sweet

Joe

but i feel like that would go away with some familiarity on the controls

Chris

02:26

I got to room 60 with these controls lol

Joe

i had an accidental death with a rocket launcher which is normal, the pilot error control death walking into stuff

and jazza got me, i couldnt shield micro manage the projectiles

SpartanDonut

04:02

Such toxicity in LoL

Joe

yeaa

SpartanDonut

JOOOOOOOE

Joe

meh.com WTF, i love this site

SpartanDonut

lolwat

Joe

5 minutes

and they sold out

WITH that crazy spinning website

hmmm spider senses tingling april fools etc

MLM

04:11

I have seen videos of people opening up bags like that from clothing companies

But those were expensive bags

Joe

they totally sell stuff like this

but i just realized were on april fools

SpartanDonut

04:36

HALF-LIFE 3 (Honest Game Trailers)

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Confirmed

Mutch95

07:03

@Joe fuck this site is trippy, overtime you refresh it something different dappens

Hjorthenify

08:23

crickets playing in the background

user92578

haha

Hjorthenify

Morning tyyppi!

user92578

good day!

Hjorthenify

It's 10 am here :P

user92578

11 here

Hjorthenify

08:25

Nice.

user92578

08:36

God I hate loading stuff from XML

user92578

it's so tedious and a lot of work

Hjorthenify

Don't use XML

user92578

It's not any better with anything else

user92578

And it's good to load stuff from files

user92578

It's just tedious

Hjorthenify

08:38

@Tyyppi_77 Try this: developers.google.com/protocol-buffers

user92578

Looks quite cool

user92578

I'll make my XML thing work first and then see if I'd switch all the loading into something else, maybe that

Hjorthenify

I used it and it's very good

Easy to setup too

user92578

I'm not a huge fan of adding more 3rd party stuff tough... that's the weird part of me

Hjorthenify

:P

user92578

08:44

// Checks for the velocity.
if (strcmp(prefabValue->Value(), "Velocity") == 0)
{
	m_Acceleration = TVector2::FromXMLElement(prefabValue);
}
// Checks for the minimum velocity.
else if (strcmp(prefabValue->Value(), "VelocityMin") == 0)
{
	m_VelocityMin = TVector2::FromXMLElement(prefabValue);
	m_VelocityRangeEnabled = true;
}
// Checks for the maximum velocity.
else if (strcmp(prefabValue->Value(), "VelocityMax") == 0)
{
	m_VelocityMax = TVector2::FromXMLElement(prefabValue);
	m_VelocityRangeEnabled = true;

user92578

It's just that

user92578

a lot of that

Hjorthenify

You do realize that this can be shortened by using arrays and loops, right?

user92578

It is in a loop going trough all elements

Hjorthenify

Heck even a std::map would help you

user92578

08:46

I could do some mapping yeah

user92578

I might actually try that

user92578

That'd actually require a map for every data type

user92578

and different handlers for every data type

user92578

Now to replacing the particle classes with XML prefabs...

Kevin van der Velden

Morning

user92578

08:57

Hey @KevinvanderVelden

Ali.S

morning

user92578

fuck I forgot that I need an animation system

JohnPoison

morning

Kevin van der Velden

o/

JohnPoison

@Tyyppi_77 Why do you use that m_ prefix?

or is it third party code?

Kevin van der Velden

09:14

Private member variable

Relatively common hungarian notation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation (I'm a fan of just adding a _ prefix)

JohnPoison

Some of the notable persons in c++ world told that hungarian notation is obsolete and ugly stroustrup.com/bs_faq2.html#Hungarian

Kevin van der Velden

Yes

So? I don't really see the relevance

Note: Neither I or @Tyyppi_77 is actually using hungarian notation except for one tiny thing in it to declare the scope of a variable

user92578

The hungarian notation is often mis-interpreted

user92578

It was actually used with the use case of making errors more easily spotted

user92578

An example is with accessing databases

user92578

09:28

You would ask the user for an username

user92578

Place that value in a string, with a wanted prefix, like "us", for "un-safe"

user92578

Now you would sanitize that, and place the result in a string with a "s" prefix, for "safe"

user92578

Now if you saw a code with QueryData(usQuery);, you would spot the error immediately

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 hungarian notation was developed for a language that did not have types, and it's pretty damn useful in languages that do not have types.

user92578

@KevinvanderVelden I guess that's true too

Kevin van der Velden

09:31

It's great for when using the wrong variable won't be detected by the compiler but can lead to problems, which include scope things (say "Oh I want to change this local variable" and then finding out it wasn't local, it was a member variable and you just fucked something up by accident)

user92578

That's really why I use it

user92578

+ It looks cool to me

Kevin van der Velden

Type safety is not an issue in C++ and that was what Stroustrup was talking about

JohnPoison

09:48

@KevinvanderVelden can't imagine such situations. How can you treat a member variable as local. local variables can't exist without local declaration. Such thing isn't hard to notice.

Kevin van der Velden

@JohnPoison typos?

Working in multiple functions in short timespan and forgetting that the variable in a different function wasn't declared here

Etc

JohnPoison

@KevinvanderVelden I don't use any prefixes. In past several years never made such an error. Before I try to change something I should understand how it works and what I can break. Also I don't name local variables as the member ones. Maybe my discipline allows me to avoid such errors

user92578

How about when you jump into someone else's codebase?

Kevin van der Velden

Or the fact that you slow down and look at everything

JohnPoison

look what is the scope of variable takes 1 second

Kevin van der Velden

09:59

Whatever

Why are we arguing about personal taste?

JohnPoison

I'm not arguing. I'm just curious

user92578

A more interesting question is why I prefix my class names / enums / typedefs with C/T / E / D

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 Yeah I have no idea why you do that =p

user92578

Me neither, except for the fact that it looks neat

Jon

opengameart.org/content/transparent-shape-pack

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Kevin van der Velden

10:06

Nice

user92578

Awesome

user92578

That's actually just what I was looking for

joapet99

i.imgur.com/FMP7BhT.gifv

Kevin van der Velden

^ My map before and after you came through it

Chris

pleasing

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

10:26

Too pleasing :P

Needs some chaos :P

Kevin van der Velden

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Chaos?

joapet99

Oh my

that map though

Chris

crazy cool

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Reminds me of Maze Runner :P

Kevin van der Velden

10:42

Thanks :D

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I still need to watch the second half of that movie

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It's not too exciting.

Peculiar ending.

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah, but my sister is probably gonna drag me to the theater to watch part 2 so I should at least watch the first one

Jon

reminds me of the mayan calendar

I clicked on that meh.com link earlier and it crashed my computer

so @Joe f-off

Me and Baby

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not game dev related but fun

user92578

It's nice to see the game work after two days of not being able to run it at all

user92578

The stuff I've done does not work

user92578

10:55

But hey, it compiles

Jon

his vitals are low, but I think you can save him

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