Game Development

Pip

21:00

thoughts on RAM choice?

Jon

if you built a pc out of all quality parts

you are gonna have a pc that will ast you a good 8 years

SpartanDonut

The problem is when you realize your CPU is the bottleneck and have to buy a new mobo to go with it... then you just decide fuck it and build a brand new PC

Jon

solid -- thats my opinion anyways

i always buy a mobo that is like 200$

leaves room for upgrades, and typically is of higher quality which allows for over clocking and will just last longer

Pip

easier for me to update whenever I have the money since I'm still in school. I never have the huge amount of money needed to build a nice one but always have a little bit

Jon

50$ motherboards are typically shit

SpartanDonut

21:01

I figure if I buy parts that are made to withstand overclocking it will withstand standard use for a long time

@Pip I can relate. $700 every few years is easier than $2000 up front

Jon

anyways, never cheap out on a motherboard, or a power supply

then never cheap out on graphics card if you are into gaming

SpartanDonut

But what about SSD?

:P

Jon

then the CPU, you can try to buy the best performance vs price for the time you are building.

SpartanDonut

Can't cheap out on mobo, psu, gpu, or SSD so

Jon

yah, a good PC costs money :)

Pip

21:02

@Jon the one that's in the list fits that pretty well

Jon

i like to have one good PC

Pip

I have a nice laptop and want to build a decent desktop

Jon

yeah.. my desktop is a server in my house basically

Pip

I might be able to hold out for some free parts from my dad since he never built his desktop

speaking of, I'm going to check out what he has

brb

Dave

Howdy

OMGtechy

21:12

@SpartanDonut I personally wouldn't bother with an SSD if you're short on money.

AttackingHobo

@Jon you got an ssd?

SpartanDonut

I agree. That's the cut to make

But some here are really really REALLY passionate about ssds

so I had to say it

OMGtechy

aha

I can understand why tbh, but I don't miss them when I'm without. It depends what you're doing I guess.

ErikE

Looking to discuss restrictive vs. non-restrictive for which and that with @Anko...

OMGtechy

Mid range mobo, best GPU you can get, 16GB DDR3 RAM, at least a decent CPU

SpartanDonut

21:13

Yeah the performance gain for SSD is worth the money but isn't necessary if you don't have the money

AttackingHobo

@OMGtechy do some heavy IO stuff like use chrome or open programs and you will miss the ssd

Anko

@ErikE I'm here :)

OMGtechy

@AttackingHobo well apparently not

Anko

@ErikE Repasting comment for reference: I assume you mean my edit here. Could you cite a source? The Oxford English Dictionary disagrees, though I'm probably just being pedantic. (We should probably talk in chat actually.)

OMGtechy

I'm not saying I don't like having one, but I don't miss them either.

I miss a powerful GPU more than anything.

@SpartanDonut plus you can always get one later, whilst with the mobo you're stuck with it

SpartanDonut

21:15

Yep

OMGtechy

well, you could replace the mobo but who the hell does that

SpartanDonut

I do lol

OMGtechy

even when you're not upgrading the CPU? :P

SpartanDonut

lol no

OMGtechy

I have only ever changed the mobo when I've changed the CPU

AttackingHobo

21:16

@OMGtechy that's what I thought. Then I was short on money so I waited a year to get it. I regret every cpu cycle that was wasted while waiting for I/O

SpartanDonut

@AttackingHobo different strokes

ErikE

@Anko Anko see english.stackexchange.com/questions/192639/…

OMGtechy

If SSDs were cheaper per GB I'd say they were a no brainer, but I tend to have a lot of data so 1TB + drives are a must for me

AttackingHobo

@OMGtechy sure HDD for storage 100%. But for OS and most used software SSD is a must

Jon

@AttackingHobo NOPE

OMGtechy

21:18

But then Windows starts using it up like a bitch and I get pissed off

Jon

when i built my pc, SSD still had high failure rates

OMGtechy

I recently (last week) moved Windows OFF the SSD for that reason

ErikE

Also, I have deleted my off-topic comment, feel free to delete yours

AttackingHobo

@Jon Before you go about building a new comp. Get an SSD. It will feel like an entirely new PC.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I have my OS on SSD, but not much else. I don't see how Visual Studio benefits from SSD. :P

OMGtechy

21:18

@Jon it's not so bad anymore, but yeah it was really bad at first

AttackingHobo

@William'MindWorX'Mariager 0_0 Build times man...

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

... :P

Jon

Yeah I will be getting an SSD drive at some point..

Still need to buy a Rift and a Mac

Anko

@ErikE Wow, one learns something every day. Thank you!

AttackingHobo

@Jon wait for CV1

OMGtechy

21:19

If I had built this PC part for part I would have just got 2 HDDs and RAID'd them

Jon

@AttackingHobo thats the plan

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I've yet to make a project large enough to actually take time to build. VS is pretty efficient at background compiling or whatever the feature does. :P

OMGtechy

Unless you're using C++. In which case you're doomed xD

Jon

papa johns has a 50% off promo if you order online

deal.

OMGtechy

:O

Jon

21:20

i just ordered a 15 inch pizza and 12inch garlic finger for 15$

AttackingHobo

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I get randomly inspired by stuff, being able to have my editor up in 2 seconds rather than 20 is amazing for me

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I've never had it start up slow.

Boot up took about 3-4 seconds. :P

Jon

@AttackingHobo when I got my 2d world to boot up and generate on the fly in 3 seconds that was when I was happy

i'd originally have to wait like 1 - 2 minutes for stuff to pre-gen

OMGtechy

I did notice a different having Windows on the SSD, but the drawbacks weren't worth it.

Anko

@ErikE Reminds me of "Nobody. Understands. Punctuation.". :)

SpartanDonut

21:22

@Jon You must be peanut butter because I'm jelly.

ErikE

@Anko Clearly I used to be on your side. :)

AttackingHobo

"With a HDD, you have to wait for the PC. With an SSD the PC has to wait for you." -me

Jon

@SpartanDonut are you hitting on me?

4

SpartanDonut

Always

lol

Jon

hahah, first time i noticed

enchanté

So I made it to the Platinum level in club nintendo this year

Chris

21:25

@Jon any good rewards?

Jon

i'll find out in july

last year's rewards were not great

OMGtechy

@Jon prize this year is a Mac Pro

Jon

there is a refurb mac pro on for 999$ at apple store

OMGtechy

CeX sell super old ones cheap aha

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@OMGtechy Drawbacks?

Jon

21:27

almost 200$ off the regular

SpartanDonut

Can't you just use an air or a mini?

Jon

i'm looking for a dev mac box

OMGtechy

@William'MindWorX'Mariager trying to tell Windows not to use the C drive for all its crap is not fun. Even with 120GB SSD, it's not enough.

ErikE

@Anko Reminds me of The Chaos!

OMGtechy

I don't like seeing my disk space low on a system drive

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

21:28

Ah

Yeah, I have a 250 for that exact reason.

ErikE

@Anko I did enjoy that article--thanks!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

120 is just too small.

OMGtechy

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I used to have it on a 60GB one

I managed somehow ahahaha

SpartanDonut

I've got a 500GB SSD and it's over half full and it barely has any games on it

OS and dev tools

OMGtechy

I think 256GB is the turning point for me

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

21:28

If you want fast boot times without SSD, just get an UEFI compatible motherboard.

It's crazy how much that affects boot times.

OMGtechy

I do have one.

I don't mind long boot times, so long as once it's booted I can do stuff nicely.

Jon

soon computers will have 64GB of ram

SpartanDonut

When games are 50GB+ it's hard to manage that space sometimes

OMGtechy

@SpartanDonut shadow of mordor 37 GB D:

SpartanDonut

Titanfall 60GB

OMGtechy

21:30

@Jon my old one had 32GB, at work we have 256GB on some aha

SpartanDonut

And until recently I also had the Titanfall beta installed on there xD

OMGtechy

I want that much on my home PC.

Jon

Picross Touch 15MB

OMGtechy

@SpartanDonut whut

@Jon 15TB

SpartanDonut

My next PC upgrade will likely be a 1TB SSD

Or a second 500GB at least

OMGtechy

21:31

RAID SSD

:O

@SpartanDonut youtube.com/watch?v=eULFf6F5Ri8

SpartanDonut

Need moar jiggabytes >:D

OMGtechy

ahaha jiggabytes

AttackingHobo

@OMGtechy I built a Raid-0 SSD system for a company with dual 730 series 240gb drives. Over 1GB/s write speed.

Pip

huh.... I couldn't find the components

Anko

@ErikE Oh English. :D

OMGtechy

21:33

@AttackingHobo :D :D :D

SpartanDonut

I thought the video looked old... and then it said 24 drives made 6TB of data xD

Pip

I'll just ask my dad when he gets home from work

hey @OMGtechy :D

SpartanDonut

I guess thats 250 GB a piece

meh whatever :D

OMGtechy

@Pip seeing you reminds me of Python package management

@SpartanDonut yepp, it's still awesome

Pip

@OMGtechy pip?

lol

OMGtechy

21:34

Yes

AttackingHobo

@OMGtechy yeah. Really fun build too

OMGtechy

I do think SSDs will take over sometime in the near future though

It'll come down to price I'm sure of it.

Pip

probably

once they're a bit cheaper they'll probs become the default for most things

OMGtechy

If I could buy a 1TB SSD at a similar price to a 2TB HDD I'd say it's a no brainer.

Pip

definitely

OMGtechy

21:39

time to go work on ma language :D

Pip

:D

OMGtechy

@Pip how's sci fair?

Pip

awesome

OMGtechy

done yet?

Pip

just have to fiddle with some settings and I'll be done :D

OMGtechy

21:39

ooo I wanna see it :D

Pip

Its not interesting at all.. just output to files and stuff

I'll make the repo public after science fair presentations on the 14th

SpartanDonut

open source it :P

Ninja'd

lol

Pip

lol

Lokkij

...?

SpartanDonut

I told him to open source it moments after he said he was going to make his repo public at some point

when someone beats you to saying the same thing it's fairly common to call that ninja-ing or something like that...

Lokkij

21:44

Yeah, I didn't see you being ninja'd, so I thought you were saying you ninja'd someone. :P

OMGtechy

The ninja was clearly so ninja noone saw him.

SpartanDonut

that must be it

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

TIL what ninja'd means from daddy donut.

OMGtechy

I have no idea what you just said.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

:P

Not hip enough for my internet speech son?

MLM

21:49

ninja'd as in Halo when you jump back over the player and assassinate/melee?

I had to look up with "TIL" meant, not a reddit frequenter :/

OMGtechy

I am outright not a redditer

MLM

lol, I should of said that ^. Only look at links others send to me

Icy Defiance

TIL has been a thing since well before reddit existed. Mainly from Digg, according to the google results I'm getting.

OMGtechy

@MLM same

Icy Defiance

Most Digg users moved to reddit, so it's kind of a reddit thing, but it's used in many places other than reddit

MLM

21:51

Yeah, but I didn't digg either. I was too young when that was popular

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I learned about it on Imgur, which admittedly is where all image posts from Reddit are hosted.

OMGtechy

wtf is Digg

Icy Defiance

imgur was made by a redditor explicitly for reddit, actually, then it kind of grew into more than that

Chris

ninja'd to me means stealing -- old days of WoW when anyone would take whatever out of a chest if they didn't need it lol

Dave

i diggit because i reddit. you gettit ?

OMGtechy

21:52

@Dave such skill

so amaze

Chris

Digg was cool until they changed their layout and submission routine, then everyone migrated to reddit it seems

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

much wow?

OMGtechy

yes

Dave

such excite

OMGtechy

this doge is getting out of hand

Chris

21:53

can never have too much doge

Icy Defiance

wasn't just digg's layout that changed. they had issues with their visibility algorithms, advertisements, and a shitload of censorship and corruption.

Chris

@IcyDefiance yeah it was all sorts of bad

ErikE

@Anko I do like that poem, but I can't figure out how parquet rhymes with khaki...

Dave

not all poems rhyme :P

Icy Defiance

reddit is starting to get the censorship and corruption thing too, actually. it's pissed me off a few times. but most of it is just with subreddit mods, not the reddit admins, so people just move to different subreddits and things get better.

OMGtechy

21:54

corruption? What is this the mafia?

ErikE

@Dave That one rhymes specifically so that the reader can figure out what the heck is the right way to pronounce everything.

Dave

ahh

maybe its a troll poem

Icy Defiance

@OMGtechy things like all tesla related posts being removed in /r/technology for reasons that have yet to be explained. or /r/worldnews removing all posts related to snowden. no one knows whether the mods are being paid/threatened into it, but whether they are or not it's pretty fucked.

OMGtechy

that sounds horrible

and I thought SO was bad.

Icy Defiance

but anyone can make a subreddit and there are always much better alternatives for people who actually care. it's only annoying because /r/technology was a default subscription for new members and I think /r/worldnews still is, so they're very popular and have a lot of influence.

OMGtechy

21:58

# What do people think of this?
for number in (0, 5]
    # will go through 0 -> 4

for number in (0, 5)
    # will go through 0 -> 5

MLM

@OMGtechy Isn't that the opposite of Math syntax. [0-3] = 0, 1, 2, 3

41

A: What does this square bracket and parenthesis bracket notation mean [first1,last1)?

A bracket means that end of the range is inclusive -- it includes the element listed. A parenthesis means that end is exclusive and doesn't contain the listed element. So for [first1, last1), the range starts with first1 (and includes it), but ends just before last1. Assuming integers: (0, 5) ...

OMGtechy

Oh, did I get it backwards?

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